When is our heist coming and who will it be. Ahem, Donnie, you are a gangster. Act like a Don !!
by harlemworld on Mar 12, 2011 8:34 PM EST
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Everyone knows that you need a little luck on your side to become a champion in the NBA. I have a different opinion on how a champion can be born. Several teams have taken advantage of this tactic -- most recently the last 2 teams to win a championship -- the Lakers and Boston. You let the Grizzlies basically handed Pau Gasol and 2 rings over to LA and Minnesota gave Boston Kevin Garnett a ring as well. Who are we going to stick up in order to reach the trophy which has eluded us for over 40 years?? Donnie has friends in Indiana,(Bird & Granger) Portland,(Cho & Aldridge) Minnesota, (Kahn & Love) Which player makes the most sense for us?? A lot of you say CP3, DWILL and D12. Which I think any of the last 3 put us over the top immediately. However, keep in mind, this is supposed to be a robbery i.e Pau for Kwame. We gave up half our team to get Amare some help in Melo and we are so close to putting it all together. Our leader (In Donnie we trust) has a lot of connections around the league but I don't think he has connections in the areas where any of those 3 play... Oh, wait a minute . But Donnie does have connections in New Orleans... Mr David Stern is formally in charge of the boys by the bayou... Isn't David a known Knick fan?? Didn't Dave recommend Donnie to Dolan?? Dave knows how much the league needs us to stay great in order for the league to be the cash cow he wants it to be. I know the league would go crazy if Dave pulled another fast one (Ewing in 85) for our Knicks. We all know you had your hand in the cookie jar to steer # 33 to the mecca. To those who will have something slick to say, I say "so what" and "you will get over it"... Or as Donnie has said on a # of occasions "none of your business". Time heals all...CP3 instantly puts us in the finals with the current roster...We do not have much to part with right now Dave...We are not interested in giving up our 2nd rd pick who should be the rookie of the year...Besides, this is supposed to be a heist and the league has allowed it to happen right before their eyes on a # of occasions...All i'm saying is give a brutha a break!!! You got Donnie into this mess which he has wiggled his way out of without your help to this point. Turn your head and leave the keys to the office along with CP3 in the corner and we will see you after this CBA is over. Don't be alarmed when you find 2 of Ronny, Jared, Roger, Andy, Renaldo, Bill, Toney and the Willams boys sitting in the office. They are all hard workers and guys whose effort we think you will appreciate. What do you guys think and who would make a good heist for Donnie? Any other teams and friends in the league who may be willing to help Donnie become the DON. We all like to dream don't we?? Let's go Knicks
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I'm not sure we have what it takes to pull off a "heist"...
the Boston deal wasn’t really a heist and most definitely didn’t “give” them anything. Al Jeff was a solid young big and still is a good offensive player. Minny couldn’t do anything with or without Garnett.
And the Gasol deal wasn’t exactly giving him away either. For LA’s sake yea, it was. But the Grizz got that Marc Gasol guy out of it and I think the pick that led to Darrel Arthur was the doing of that trade too.
We don’t have a Marc Gasol just sitting somewhere picking his ass, cuz he’d be here already (and Jerome Jordan is NOT that…). We don’t have about 5 or 6 youngins we can put together and give anyone and not really care. We don’t have a first round pick that can get us a Ray Allen either.
These aren’t really heists. We’re not gonna get away wtih trading Bill Walker and Toney Douglas for Marc Gasol..not gonna work. Its gonna cost Landry Fields.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
the Gasol trade was more balanced
then anyone remembers. they also got a ton of cap space, and Crittenton was a decent prospect at the time
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 12, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
cap space means nothing
cap space for memphis is like a drug addict with no drugs. no way in the world would you get any top notch free agent to go there.
"We have the pieces here you just don't know it yet". Donnie Walsh.
by harlemworld on Mar 12, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
they used it to take a flier on Darko
who was coming off a productive season. they then flipped Darko for Z-Bo, essentially turning Pau into Z-Bo, Marc, and Arthur.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Rudy Gay resigned
I know they threw a shit ton of money at him, but that’s what cap space does, even for a team like Memphis
the point is the teams were on the cusp of greatness and a rip off put them over the top. we need something like that. kwame and marc for Pau is a heist. Arthur had been traded quite a few time on draft day. he started out with the rockets i believe
Arthur wasn't Memphis's pick
but they drafted Donta Greene and traded him for Darrel Arthur basically straight up with the Kings(tho somehow the Hornets actually drafted Arthur…)
The Lakers dealt 2 first rounders, we don’t have that. And again we don’t even have a player like Gasol who’s very talented just sitting overseas.
We don’t even have second round picks for the next two years cuz Donnie was busy taking it up the tailpipe again with this trade….
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
we do have a 1st rd pick pick this year
houston has the right to swap with us. don’t we have our own 2nd rd pick as well? where did it go? the two 2nd rd picks we gave up in the trade were from d lee.
I know we have our first rounder
but we can’t trade it.
The 2nd rounder’s gone cuz of Toney Douglas
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
we got our steal
and his name is landry fields
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
landry was a great find in the draft and that’s how a dynasty is built. but very often teams get help somewhere along the line.
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I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I think Stern is much bigger fan of maintaining the NBA's image than he is of the New York Knicks...
so I doubt he’ll do anything sketchy to help us.
However while we’re dreaming…
Indiana: Roy Hibbert (Who cares about his deficiencies he’s an actual pure center, and therefore a rare gem in today’s league).
Minnesota: Kevin Love (great fit for Amare and Melo because he can spread the floor with his shooting, and help their rebounding).
Portland:Gerald Wallace (I know they just got him, but honestly, he’s really the only Blazer I would want).
The Knicks are back.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Mar 13, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions
doesn't portland have rudy fernandez?
minny. love would be nice,
but what about igudala? he shouldn’t be way too much when he hits the market, and he plays nice D. and is a great rebounder/in the paint guy.
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
WINNING! Tigerblood
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by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 13, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Roy Hibbert
would be hideous in the D’Antoni system. There are insufficient words to describe how horrible that would be.
Indiana's not gonna deal Hibbert
I’m pretty sure they’re looking at he and Collison to be guys that they add pieces around to eventually compete.
There’s no way we can get Love. Don’t have the pieces and when he hits FA, he’s gonna earn a max, which I still don’t see how we’d be able to pull off, despite what some people say. Not to mention he, Amare, and Melo would form an ugly-ass defensive frontline.
You wouldn’t want LaMarcus Aldridge?
I've soured on the idea of Chris Paul in New York
with two of the best iso players in the league, the PG position here has become more a complimentary role…less about making plays for your teammates and more about just hitting shots and keeping things straight. Chauncey Billups is obviously fantastic at doing those two things…perhaps the best in the league at that second one.
So if I could pull off a heist, I would target Mr. Varejao in Cleveland. The Knicks don’t really need one of the best centers in the game, but they need a center who is solid at everything..this means not a pure defense and rebounding guy, but not exactly a magnificent offensive player either..somewhere in between. Varejao is somewhere in between. He would be excellent here.
it isn't exactly possible for the Knicks to acquire him though
I just like the idea of spending all of the cap space this summer on a guy like him..unfortunately he’s signed for the next few years.
That contract is a lot to handle, no doubt
But damn, Varejao would be perfect for this team
I dunno...
I think the iso is cute and all and works when we need something in the half court, but I still think our offense won’t be as good as it should be until we get that PnR working.
You’re a Suns fan transplant right? How good would Mare be right now if we always had the PnR in our back pocket?
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by Rorschach44 on Mar 13, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
like if we had gotten one of the best
p&R pg in the game that was traded right after our big trade? Yeah… that would have been n ice…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I hate to think about "what-ifs" or live in regret
But this team would be alot better had we pulled off a trade for D-Will. Probably would’ve taken less than the Melo trade too
damnit I CALLED THIS...
a week before it happened… check it out, i posted a potential trade for deron. I WANT CREDIT!
by bucketsncents on Mar 18, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it would allow us to win 60+ regular season games
but these PnR specialist PGs win 0 championships all-time. Chauncey is proper championship PG.
I'm pretty much 100% certain CP3 is a lot more then a PnR specialist.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I hope that Walsh is deft enough to realize that we score points and acquiring
a third star player is no longer the focus of this team. Look at the Heat! James, Wade and Bosh sounds sexy but the function of the three of them on that team doesn’t work. If you replaced Bosh with Beasley they would be a stronger defensive team with better rebounding and chemistry. Forget the sex appeal, we are sexy enough to raise ticket prices 50% next year so Melo and Amar’e have done their jobs.
Use the cap space and draft picks and get 3-4 high energy, efficient, TALL players that play wing and in the paint and this team will take off! A player with marginal scoring ability will get his points in D’antoni’s offense. We need chemistry players, bangers, workers, players that continue to push teams when the stars are on the bench getting rest. Its best to get a Marc Gasol type now we don’t need Howard or CP3 to win a championship.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
i agree to a point. we just do not have cap space til 2012.
if we got a marc gasol, who is a decent player on a so so team, there is no guarantee that we would be a team that is in the ecf on a yearly basis for the duration of amare and melo’s stay in nyc. I am hopeful we can make a run this year and wouldnt be surprised if we made a run to the ecf. however, that wasnt expected at the beginning of the year. and i’m thinking much higher than that after suffering for so long. the east is very competitive right now and i don’t see m.gasol being that player to put us over the top. his #‘s have dropped this year on a so so team. we need guys who are going to be a force to be reckon with and will take no prisoners. he doesn’t offer what we need — defense, rebounds and blocks — though he would be an upgrade to what we currently have. however, i am tired of settling for middle of the pack players. i want the best in the business at what they do.
"We have the pieces here you just don't know it yet". Donnie Walsh.
by harlemworld on Mar 13, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Paul/Melo/Amare = 1.5 ball-dominant players
Wade/LeBron/Bosh = 2.5 ball-dominant players
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Absolutely right
Melo/Amare are the highest scoring duo in the league since the trade for Melo. Paul is a talented passer but he’s a scorer at heart. We just don’t need him if getting him will sacrifice getting size.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
agreed...
we’ve got 2 stars… i’d rather get 2 above average players, than 1 more star and a filler.
by bucketsncents on Mar 13, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
Any doubts I have with Paul are injury-related. He’s easily one of the best passers I’ve ever seen. He just needs to take on a larger scoring role in NO cuz the supporting cast is mediocre. He could average 15 assists playing with Amare and Melo.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 13, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
now if he could only average 12 rebounds and 2.5 blocks...
by bucketsncents on Mar 13, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
its easier to find diamond-in-the-rough big men
than ultra-elite passers
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 13, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's easier to find servicable PGs
Than to find quality big men
Paul is a scorer at heart?
He’s always gone to great lengths to feature inferior teammates. He has the team leader’s mentality and, unlike Rose or Deron, won’t have to be asked to be a full-time scorer, which is generally an uncomfortable position for pure PGs. He’d be great here (and he’d come with Okafor)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
only if he came with okafor...
otherwise, his salary would hamstring us too much to get an above average 5
by bucketsncents on Mar 13, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Deron is not a full time scorer
Dude put up 16apg in his first 3 games with Travis Outlaw. Plus, he can’t really shot with his injury. He’s always around the top of the league in assists.
you'd better read my post again
then realize the futility of your latest clamoring for attention
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
regarding heist, maybe al horford, if atlana kep suckin and he becomes frustrated.
We need seize and rebounding, we need someone who can close the paint. so that our guards can be more aggressive on the perimeter, size is probably the most important single factor in playoffs, more than playmaking. Regarding our PG we have to wait and see, how TD will develop (this can be huge), and we can get some quality playmaking from Melo, who is being used more and more in point forward role (AI in philly is doing great as point and he is no melo). CB can be resigned for vet minimum (after next year), and he can play with ease backup PG until 40 (like Kidd), so gettin superstar PG really isnot our priority, size is. We will have to spend relativly big bucks on size, our 2012 cap room plus this years midlevel . When signing a big, it is important to know how can he matchup against Howard, Bynum, we need someone who can hold its own (to an extent) against these two, not someone like NENE who shrinks in the playoffs.
or josh smith...
i know he’s no center… but melo, stat and j smoove would be a SICK front line… and smith can also add to rebounding and stretch the floor with 3 point shooting.
and doesn’t atlanta have some cap issues to the point there going to have to make some sacrifices? horford or smith would be outstanding.
by bucketsncents on Mar 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith would be great
And definitely more likely to be taken from ATL. He’s a terrific defender, so that would be awesome for our front court. However, you do not want him out on the perimeter
this year we shoul target with our midlevel tyson chandler, he is almost perfect fit, brings tougness, size, rebound and very good defense.
Anh he can score on smaller player, that was seen in our game. With Chandler in our lineup, the game in Dallas becomes completely different ballgame and we become nightmare matchup for east teams.
i agree. chandler, at least as a model, would be perfect.
Athletic enough to run the floor, gives us an interior presence on both ends, good enough to exploit match-ups but doesn’t demand offensive touches, and he would bring a much-needed defensive physicality.
And Turiaf would be the perfect back-up for him, bc he can do the same in short spurts.
by Crackback on Mar 13, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Our center will be Okafor, who we'll pick up as a dumped salary
He’ll be good though.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
i accept... emeka and stat would be great together
and does anyone know if you can draft a player, than trade his rights if you’re not allowed to trade the pick?
by bucketsncents on Mar 13, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not
even though the Stepien Rule looks at only the future. You’d better ask Larry Coon, because there’s no good description of the actual rule on the Internet other than those few nuggets of wisdom Coon disposes upon request.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Yeah you just can't trade the pick
we can draft a guy that Team X wants and them immediately make the swap.
I think it’s more so teams don’t go and trade all their first round picks that are still like 4 years out, it’s just bad practice.
Oh fuck.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5871933
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
New Orleans
Could get ten times the amount of talent back in a trade with another team than that one. I don’t see how we’ll trade for them both. We got no pieces!
We don't have the chips to trade this off-season. our best bet is to draft well
and possibly buy a second. If they play well we might develop some pieces to trade.
by Robert Currence on Mar 13, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
mybe we can sell someone on midlevel and prospect of winning ring,, never know what will happen with chandler in dallas
Plus player are making more money in ny than in other cities, some stats show a lot mor mone. Or you can do, what OKC have done, include big bonuses in contract, i dont know why teams dont do that more.
yup... chipless
we gave all our chips to the nugs… and now we’re without chips. we need more chips. free agency and the draft are, and should be our only focus.
unless of course we decide to trade ‘melo for another star and other players… just sayin’
This is unfortunately the truth
I know the chances of this happening are negative 200%, but would you trade Melo for a B-level type star. Like a Danny Granger, Eric Gordon, Kevin Martin type guy, plus an additional piece or two
YES I WOULD...
i’d trade melo for 2 b level players with youth and more versatility.
by bucketsncents on Mar 18, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Paul is overkill and really isnt a necessity. THe knicks have a luxury at the guard position anyways. But dont even have a true center. We need big bodies that grab some boards. Hibbert really impresses me for his size….or maybe even snag Nene.
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
How did I know everyone would want Hibbert after last night
never mind that he’s extremely inconsistent, and is under contract with a team that wants him
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
im confused
I thought our cap space this summer was Eddy Curry’s contract.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Mar 14, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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