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Who should the Knicks draft?

I think it's pretty obvious.

 

Fab Melo and Isaiah Thomas.

 

But in all seriousness, I'm glad the Knicks are projected to get Jimmer. Maybe he can be their Stephen Curry. At worst, he's a huge upgrade over Andy Rautins.

In the second round, John Leuer, Rick Jackson, and Keith Benson. The Knicks might as well buy two extra picks. And seriously, forget about Jared Jeffries.

 

And maybe consider signing Robert Swift. He's getting 20-20 games with the Tokyo Apache. He looks like this now: http://www.tokyoapache.com/en/team-2010/roster/robert-swift/ and apparently he's part Japanese.

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how can anyone be an upgrade over Rautins?

he has no role on the team just yet, unless we’re drafting Jimmer to be Landry Fields new wingman.

I’d say we should draft the best player available. Whether is a potential starting C, backup PG, SG, wing, stretch 4,…I don’t really care. This team needs depth.

Tho if a few players are ranked the same, I’d choose size. We don’t has it.

One of the Morris twins would be nice. They both sort of look like Wilson Chandler, tho Marcus is the one that plays more like him. More Queef kind of reminds me of a Drew Gooden, which isn’t really a bad thing

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 14, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

and Robert Swift might not be a bad signing

it says his game stretches to 18 feet and he’s obviously played in the NBA. Plus he looks like he’s did time in an asylum and every good team needs a crazy guy.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 14, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Wall?

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!

I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying

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by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 14, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

injury prone

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by stingy d on Mar 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh :( michael jordans son?

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!

I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying

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by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 15, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol. then we should just move patrick's son to the nba

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!

I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying

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by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 16, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft Nobody

Make a deal with a team by drafting a player anothe rteam wants. Then trade the pick to that team for a next year draft pick.

We need to fire the WHOLE coaching staff a nd then go after hard M.Gasol RFA-S.Battier FA and with a little brain power get O.J.Mayo in a smart trade.

We will win 55-60 games next year with these alterations in the team.

“GO NEW YORK GO”

by Dziedzic on Mar 14, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

they should fire whoever trades for OJ Mayo

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 14, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

booooooooooooooooooooo

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!

I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying

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by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 14, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he really doesn't tho.

Mayo sucks.

Gasol would fit in great here given what he does

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 14, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gasol would be great

but its a pipe dream. They aint gonna let him go…

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Mar 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they are gonna let him go marc Gasol is gonna want money.

And there are alot more teams in a position to give him Money than we are. You guys are banking on the MLE, well Marc Gasol is gonna cost most than MLE money. Given the state of Centers in this league he is gonna get overpaid. And even if he signs for MLE that gives us 9 players. Were is the money to get the rest? I am not going to say it is not possible I just don’t see how we are gonna fill out this roster without:

A) Nailing it in the draft this year with our pick
B) Buying another pick from someone and nailing that one too.

That is not easy to do.

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bzzt, sorry... thread is about draft picks, not coaching staff or Free Agents

Post disqualified on account of irrelevency

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Regardless of how much depth we have

or don’t have, D’Antoni is only going to play 8 players, maybe 9 at most. With the team all of the sudden in win-now mode, I don’t think rookies are really going to be very effectual in the next 4 years. If you find a big that can contribute right way, then yea go for it, but otherwise I would target effective role players who are established in the league. Especially those that can be had at good value

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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 14, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't overlook the value of young players

D’Antoni did in Phoenix both as a GM and a coach, and it was a huge detriment to those teams.

Achievement is its own reward, pride obscures it.

by hcblankscreen on Mar 14, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he just

doesnt think about playing more than 8 players, regardless of how old they are.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 14, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to how he overlooks the value of Landry Fields?

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by The Rooster on Mar 14, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he being hcblankscreen.

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by stingy d on Mar 15, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

what young players did he have in Phoenix?

did he ignore Amar’e and Leandro Barbosa? What about giving the left for dead but also young Boris Diaw big time minutes?

Joe Johnson seemed to have gotten a career out of what Pringles gave him. He was a young player there.

As with the Knicks, pretty sure the likes of Toney Douglas, Gallo, Chandler and Landry can attest to him actually developing youngins.

I mean yea, the Jordan Hills and Anthony Randolphs of the world don’t play, but by and large they have the basketball IQs of a sea squirt.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 14, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

D'Antoni was GM for one year, 06-07

He traded Rondo’s draft rights and opted to sign Marcus Banks.

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by hcblankscreen on Mar 16, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only person I've ever seen say that about Rondo

is Peter Vecsey who has since gone back on it.

Not to mention cheap-ass Robert Sarver who traded how many 1st rounders away? Rondo being just one of them. At some point it was bound to hurt them. Not to mention, put Rondo is only the Rondo we know because of the team he landed on, and the NBA hype machine. He’s got gigantic holes in his game that will be exposed in a year or two.

I dunno fella, link me to it if it’s out there, but I’m not seeing what you’re talking about.

by Dutchmarau on Mar 16, 2011 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

“…put Rondo…”

by Dutchmarau on Mar 16, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

ABS before the trade he was playing 10 guys

After the trade when he has had ten healthy bodies he has played 10 guys. I don’t think you can go by that. Get D’antoni ten solid players and he will play them. He will play a rookie if that guy shows he can come in and do something productive on the court (Landry Fields) so if we draft well and the guy shows he can help win ball games then the rookie will play. If he is a project then he won’t.

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's my list

1- jan vesely
2- marqueef morris (bigger)
3- marcus morris (more offensive)
4- jujuan johnson
5- tristan thompson
6- best PG available (jimmer, nolan, brandon knight, hansborough, kemba etc)

and than buy a pick in the 2nd round to grab the cincinnati center… yancy gates… the dude is HUGE.

by bucketsncents on Mar 14, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Robert Swift lol

He was my back up center in NBA Live 10.. and he backed up Dikembe my 42 Year old starting center. FUN with capital letter

Andy Rautins for mayor... or at least 12th man

by Jay Jordo on Mar 14, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Half the guys in this thread aren't coming out this year

I think a lot of on-the-fence underclassmen will stay in school, more so than usual. Despite it being a weak draft, there’s quite a lot of mediocre prospects out there and this + labor uncertainty makes declaring quite unattractive for a guy who might slip into the second round.

We’ll probably lose one or both of Bully and Extra E, and you can never have enough versatile bench wings who can hit open shots, so my homer pick is Gilbert Brown, who can maybe be had in the second round. Great, versatile defender, excellent natural instincts, smart offensive player who would happily defer to better players around him. D’Antoni’s shooting school has an almost 100% success rate so his sometimes sloppy mechanics could be ironed out. If we get a second rounder we could do much worse.

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by The Rooster on Mar 14, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would we lose Bully and E?

by Crackback on Mar 14, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jimmmmmmeeeerrrrr! Draft is weak on bigs where we’ll be selecting, but I also like Kahwi Leonard, Kenneth Faried and Markieff Morris should we go that route.

by SgtOrange on Mar 14, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

yea faried seems like a talent

albeit short-esque

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by stingy d on Mar 15, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I may disagree with Jimmer's....lifestyle?

but I’d love him on my team. Needs to become a pure PG the way how Curry has.

by BJabs on Mar 14, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch jimmer bring the ball up the court...

Jimmer translates to the NBA as-Eddie house.

Isn’t a good ball handler Had to be taken off the ball numerous times this year,esp against Arizona.

Defense…………….what defense down right terrible.

Ability to play pg……minimal to say the least..has no vision, looks for his shots first, Telegraphs alot of passes becasue he gets forced to give up his dribble alot.

You don’t draft players like that in the first round.Also Curry has the ability to get by people in the nba Jimmer doesn’t.

by kaution on Mar 14, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen a lot of him

but I tend to agree. I don’t think there’s a way for him to transition to the lig without totally overhauling his game. And then why would you draft him if he has to do that?

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But even if I am underrating him in those areas

I don’t necessarily want that from a PG, if thats what he is. There’s no team in the league that would ever let him chucks the way he has been on BYU. If he’s a 2, then I want him to be taller than 6’2" and rely less on pull-ups. I realize I’m coming off a overly-traditionalist, but when there’s little(no?) precedent for a guy like him succeeding in the NBA and hundreds of similar players who’ve fallen by the wayside, I have a hard time believing in him.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 16, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If JuJuan

Johnson is there he should be the pick, if not Go pg with whoever drops between Knight,Shelby,Walker and Cole (this years Rodney Stucky).

Buy a late first round pick and get Keith Benson-I love this kid, he is a shot blocker has a jump shot out to about 15 ft,Rebounds with the best of them Dominated big men like Pitts Gary McGee, Kansas’s Cole Aldrich and MSU’s Green and Roe.

by kaution on Mar 14, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

1st im so annoyed that the Heat are getting love for their 3 stars scoring 80pts

Our 3 scored 85 the 1st or second game together! Where is Jimmer projected to fall to the Knicks? If we do get him does that mean TD is trade bait because Jimmer is a great jersey but will he ever play?

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by Major on Mar 15, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

drafting Fredette and trading TD would be utterly idiotic

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by The Rooster on Mar 15, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

There is no need to do either! Fredette is a nice player but he’s basically a jumpshooter.

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by Major on Mar 15, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Benson kid leaves Oakland, then go for it.

Other than that I really don’t care. Mid 1st rounder in one of the weakest drafts ever doesn’t really make me that optimistic.

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by LatrellSprewell on Mar 15, 2011 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Weak draft as far as franchise changing players is concerned

However, where we are drafting we’ll get value in targeting a specific type of player that fits the teams needs.

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by Major on Mar 15, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

why is this a weak draft and who the hell said it is that?

this draft is deep. We’re not drafting in the top 5, so who really cares if there’s no superstar at the top?

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen any mocks that have Jimmer available when we pick. I’m pretty sure he’s going in the lottery. Donnie will probably pick someone we never heard of, and he’ll turn out to be right as always.

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by rxmeister on Mar 15, 2011 8:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

My suggestion. Go out and draft the biggest nastiest best rebounder available

We are still a terrible rebounding team especially on the defensive boards. And Rebounding is the skill that translates most effectively from the college to the pro game. Go out and get a guy who is gonna clean the glass. If he score a little fine but not a requirement. Also if he can be physical on the defensive end of the floor either at Center or power forward I say that is what we go for. We don’t need the Jimmer’s of the world. We can score points we don’t consistently rebound or play defense so if a rook can help with that then that is who we draft.

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

E.Kanter

E.Kanter is a complete PF.
His game would be perfect in the rotation behind A.Stoudemire.

The draft is weak and some players might stay another year.
The Knicks should trade out of the draft and add anothe rpick next year if they can.

Concentrating on getting a few pieces through FA just might be the way to go first.
Of course we still need to get rid of the whole coaching staff after the season.
Otherwise nothing will make sense for next year.

by Dziedzic on Mar 15, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Dizzy Kanter

would not be a bad pick has size and can board. However they cannot trade their pick because of the rule of trading picks in consecutive years guess you did not realize that. We cannot concentrate on FA pieces because we have potentially zero FA dollars and if the hard cap is set may be prevented from using the MLE.

Getting rid of the coaching staff is a non-starter and I say this not because I love D’Antoni remember I never wanted him as coach. But the facts are the facts. D’Antoni is on the verge of leading this team to the playoffs and that hasn’t happened in 7 years. He also has a chance to do so with a winning record which has not happened in 10 years. If he manages to stumble his way to a win of a playoff game, that also has not happened in 10 years. And if by pure luck he actually wins a series, that hasn’t happened in 11 years. And if he manages to win two series that has not happened this century. So give pringles a break he is on the verge of the most successful season a Knick coach has had in a decade, and to fire him after that would make the Knicks look like a surefire Keystone Kop operation. Now I know you are used to seeing the Knicks run by Clowns, but hopefully with the exception of Dolan we do not presently have anyone calling the shots around MSG who wears big floppy shoes, a bright red nose, and wears a flower in his lapel that squirts water! Geesh!

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

who are we bringing in to head coach and the rest of the staff if we fire Pringles?

how about give a name when you suggest radical ignorance.

Maybe if you had a coach in mind you wouldn’t seem like such a wackball every time you try and say fire the coach + W.Chandler at the 3= 60 wins.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah whats up with that 1st initial shit he does?

I just decided I’m gonna talk about Dizzy like he isn’t here from now on

by Dutchmarau on Mar 16, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dizzy been long gone....

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 16, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally

No projects or soft guys. Get a big, ass-kickin guy or don’t even bother.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 15, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft Trade

I understand that we cannot trade two years in a row our pick.
To get around it.
We need to make a player pick with in agreement with another team on what they want at that time.

I disagree with you about FA and cap space.
Stoudemire and Anthony can become flexible with their contracts once we bring in a solid piece from FA.
First things first.
Terminate the whole coaching staff.
Restructure C.Billups contract for flexibility in FA.
We not only need bigs. We need to bring in a new coaching staff.

This team as is can win a couple rounds.
Witht he coaching staff it cannot win a championship no matter whom we add next year as pieces.

by Dziedzic on Mar 15, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Umm since there contracts fall under the old /Current CBA they cannot be restructured

Now in Billups case, We could decline his option, but that does not give us cap space. infact terminating the final year of Billups’ contract and not resigning him at all saves us 500k. Not exactly the money we can do any shopping with.

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can someone tell me how in the hell they know who can or cannot play in the NBA?!?!

I’m reading a number of comments dismissing possible draft suggestions on account of things like “too short”, “can’t create his own shot”, “unathletic”, “has to overhaul entire game”, blah blah blah.

How. Do. You. Know?

For fans of a team that just drafted a guy in the 2nd round that is arguably the 2nd or 3rd best rookie this year, there sure are a lot of people willing to dismiss certain potentials like Jimmer Fredette and such.

I’m not gonna say whether Fredette is the next star, or whatever, but holy shit, have any of you watched him play? Someone said he can’t create his own shot… that he gets his points on ISOs and Pull-up jumpers. My question to you: If scoring on isolation plays and pull-up jump shots is NOT considered creating your own shot… wtf is?? This kid drops 35+ pts routinely while being the absolute obvious #1 option on his team. Still shoots 40% from 3, .456FG as a guard shooting 20 shots a game. He still manages to drop 4 dimes a game too. In his 52pt game he shot 22-37 from the field (.595FG) & 7-14 (.500) from 3. The entire basketball world sees this kid coming and he STILL scores.
How anyone can simply dismiss what he has done ON HIS OWN is just repeating typical buzz words that sound intelligent to hack experts.

No one here is calling this kid a superstar or even a lottery pick. The NCAA Tournament hasn’t even begun yet and half the draft is decided based on the tournament and the draft camps after. If you think you can size anyone up before then, you’ve got another thing coming. And that doesn’t just go for Fredette. Careers are made in the tournament.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

overrated.

First of all he isn’t doing what hes doing against remotely anything close to NBA talent.

If he cant keep the MWC pg’s he plays against out of the paint…just wait till he as to Check NBA players.

Secondly what position do you draft a guy like this to play? He is most definitely not a PG in the NBA and doesn’t have the Athleticism ,Body or toughness to play the 2.

Last but not least Landry had and NBA ready body,played tough competition,he wasn’t invited to any of the Drafts workouts or PreCombines that your talking about.The knicks just did a great job of scouting him.

by kaution on Mar 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

what conference is Davidson in?

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got one for you

Where in the NBA did Jimmers dad play again?

by kaution on Mar 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who Gives A Fuck University in Wyoming?

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

OBTW

this is who Davidson played in 08-09 http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2166/year/2009/davidson-wildcats

Much more respectable than BYU’s current schedule.

As far as Prospects Go its not Close either…Jimmer doesn’t Have NBA speed or finishing ability.

by kaution on Mar 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its only more respectable to those that want to look at Duke

if you go by RPI, BYU’s is actually much tougher. Actually BYU’s RPI is 5. That’s #5 overall in the country.

Sorry to disappoint, but the strength of schedule and competition argument makes horseshit smell like roses.

And if Jimmer Fredette doesn’t have NBA finishing ability or speed, either does Stephen Curry. Jimmer’s actually 20lbs heavier anyway.

..of course he’s white and doesn’t have a father who played in the NBA. But while we’re talking about things that are irrelevant, I wipe my ass and smell the TP before I flush just to know if my electrolytes are off.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just say Repeat and 3 Peat

Dukies will beat Kansas in the final.
The Lakers with King Kobe will 3-Peat in the NBA.

Love Bynum, he is a beast.
The guy played last year on one leg all seven games and won.
This year he is healthy.
OUCH!

by Dziedzic on Mar 15, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

dribble dribble

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

also BYU's SOS is 23

Davidson’s RPI was 23 and SOS was 101.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it's easy to brush off BYU and San Diego State because few people ever pay attention to them

and they aren’t in big TV conferences.

But the coaches vote on these rankings. So do sportswriters. Both teams have been ranked much of this year and neither were ranked last year. That should send at least a little signal that they are legit.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?
doesn’t have the Athleticism ,Body or toughness to play the 2

Define all of those terms right now. I’m not kidding. I’m most interested in the athleticism portion though. Especially for a 6’2" guard. Or pretty much any athlete capable of playing the highest level of collegiate ball. Also, show me how you measure them. Fredette has ALL 3 Qualities!!!

Again… the point of my post is not to name Jimmer Fredette a superstar by any means. But the descriptions of him are pretty baffling. Very few comments display reasonable and logical grounds. Sure a gripe about his ability to play PG in the NBA is well deserved. But questions on his athleticism, toughness, body, shot creation, etc, are really and truly silly. It’s not just that this kid scores a lot because he takes a ton of shots. He connects on high s! And more importantly… his team wins games. They lost their best inside presence to sex… but they are still winning games. Doubt they win a championship, but hey, neither did Curry or 95+ of other collegiate stars now in the pros.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The singular reason Landry Fields was not on anybody's draft radar last year was the weakness of the PAC-10.

He did not play against tougher competition than Jimmer Fredette when he was in college.

by Osborn on Mar 16, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

It’s amateur scouting. You see a guy, you form an opinion. Not that hard

I’m not knocking Jimmer’s college accomplishments. He’s a great college player. No one can take that away from him. I just think he won’t be able to do that in the pros.

I’ve followed the draft closely for what, 15 years or so? I am confident in my ability to pick out guys who will and won’t be good pros. Just like pro scouts, sometimes I’m wrong, but some guys you can just tell. Mateen Cleaves, Khalid El-Amin, Blake Stepp, Rashad McCants, Quincy Douby. There are plenty of guys whose games just don’t translate well. I think Jimmer is one of them.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not discounting your eye test

but when i see a line suggesting already that this kid will likely have to reinvent his entire game to make it in the NBA I cringe a little. People rightfully doubt players abilities every year and that’s fine. But geez man, isn’t that a bit over the top at this point??

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Jimmer

I feel like you have to be either all-in on him or all-out, at least in terms of whether he’s a lottery pick or not. Either you think he can get his shot off in the pros and guard NBA guards, or you don’t. He doesn’t project to get bigger, stronger or quicker(right? maybe thats wrong), so you’re basically deciding whether his current game will be effective in the NBA. And I just dont see it. If I did believe it, he’d be in my top 5, because the class is shitty and he’s done amazing things on the court, but… I can’t see it. In my eyes, he’d need to be more of a catch and shoot guy or a TD type off the bench, but I’m not entirely sure he’s capable of those roles either.

Maybe he’ll prove me wrong.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 16, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you CCF

My point is for a team that lacks size and physical play on the boards, the last thing we need is a guard who can score. We are already paying 53 million dollars next year to three guys who can score and like to take shots. We are averaging 106pts a game since the trade (which is what we averaged before but oh well) so obviously we can put points on the board. We are the 27th ranked defense and We are also near the bottom in rebounding so I feel spending one of the few draft picks we have for the next 5 years on a guard who likes to shoot the ball is excuse me “Dumb” Jimmer could turn into jeff Hornacek for all we know, but we don’t need Jeff Hornacek, we need the next Charles Oakley or Ben Wallace more than that!!!

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't disagree with that at all.

I wasn’t campaigning for Fredette to join the Knicks. It’s an overall point about guys like him. But also, come draft time, where the Knicks can pick it’s likely to be a spot were you consider taking the best overall talent. I wouldn’t discount a guy like Fredette. But more importantly, I want people to se him on a national stage like this before annointing/crucifying him. you know?

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fredette comparisons

More like JJ Redick with better passing and can come off the bench.
He’s built like Baron Davis but a much better shooter.
He’s been much more impressive than Eddie House.

by mindfeck on Mar 15, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Jimmer

but he’s not even 1/1000000th the athlete Baron is. Or at least when Baron wants to and when he doesn’t decide to frequent the In and Out burger too much.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe so, but how do you measure athleticism???

and also… it wasn’t saying dude is BETTER than Baron Davis…. but fuck yeah he can shoot better! And Fredette IS kinda built.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably meant was

cuz Baron was a freak of nature coming out of UCLA. Now he’s just fat and has a ptarmigan nest in his beard.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 16, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the facial hair :-(

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 15, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

House has a much faster release. So does Redick for that matter.

They both move better off the ball and around screens, too. There’s been a million shooters like Jimmer with great accuracy but average releases and off-ball movement. Those shooters end up in the D-League or Europe.

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by The Rooster on Mar 15, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait what you can buy draft picks???

Is that true or are you guys just joking?

Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.

by Bobby Baseball on Mar 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

you can

2nd or 1st rounders too. Tho generally the other team asked for a future pick as compensation (the reason we don’t have a 2nd this year is cuz of the Toney Douglas pick, which we “bought” for I think $3mill and a 2011 2nd rounder)

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 15, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes you can buy picks

1st rounders usually go for 3mil a pop, 2nd rounders for a Mil. We bought Toney Douglas from the lakers and we bought Jerome Jordan’s rights from the Bucks for a mil.

by Robert Curre on Mar 15, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question about trading draft picks

I understand we can’t trade this years pick. But does that include if we trade it in a package in order to move up in the first round? This way we would still have a 1st round pick. Or does it not matter and you just can’t trade the pick at all?

by fsucj2431 on Mar 15, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

You just can't go two years without a 1st round pick

that’s all. If we had a worse record than the Rockets, in effect, we’d be trading down.

by Dutchmarau on Mar 16, 2011 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Fellow Knick Fans, Repeat After Me: Lucas Nogueira

Lucas “Bebe” Nogueira is an 18 year old 7 footer with all the skills we need. If he’s so good, why isn’t there more talk about him you ask. Well, for one he’s from brazil. 2-his offensive skills are a little raw. 3-he has an attitude problem. The only worry should be that last one. But an extremely talented veteran team such as we’ve become should be able to set him straight. Our vets need to kick his ass and hope for the best.

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 15, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

If we can buy another 1st rounder and take a flyer

that sounds like some Spurs-style savvy. But as far as instant impact, the first bar he’d have to clear is gaining D’Antoni’s trust. I can’t help but imagine a more immature Anthony Randolph who has to deal with moving to an entirely new country before he’s even 20.

by Dutchmarau on Mar 16, 2011 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get a rebounder

Then even if the “raw potential” doesn’t pan out, we still have a guy who hustles and muscles. We need an Oakley, a Horace Grant, a Glen Davis, a Dejuan Blair, etc.

by DSGoose on Mar 16, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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