Pistons 99, Knicks 95: "Chris Wilcox? Really?"
First off, apologies for a late recap. I stayed up watching Randy Watson instead of writing last night. I needed some downtime after seeing the Knicks piss away a fourth quarter lead to the Pistons which dropped them to 7th in the standings. Watson was far more entertaining than the game. That boy good.
The Knicks continue to frustrate because they continue to be who we thought they were in terms of defense and rebounding. The Pistons are in the bottom half of the league in terms of offensive efficiency, scoring 103.7 points every hundred possessions, good for 18th in the league. Last night they managed to put up 112.3 points per hundred possessions without anyone going off for more than 16 points. How'd that go down? A bunch of turnovers on the Knicks' end including 8 and 5 from Chauncey Billups and Amare Stoudemire respectively - bros you know need to handle the ball a ton - which led to several fastbreak opportunities. The Knicks also gave up key offensive rebounds in the final frame leading to a monster Chris Wilcox tip dunk which sealed the game for them Bad Boys ("Bad" is open to interpretation) that had me asking, "Chris Wilcox? Really?" too, 100% dundee.
Protecting the ball was an issue from the jump. Billups inexplicably continued to force passes to Jared Jeffries, including one in transition that sailed over his head right into the never-ending arms of Austin Daye. I'll cut him just a bit of slack considering the Pistons' lineup. Detroit, being the mess that they are this year (and I do mean a mess; it's like God spilled a team) start Tracy McGrady at point guard. This put some serious length on Chauncey which made penetration and passing more difficult. McGrady even yoinked it flat out on one of Billups' drives in the first. And the story stayed the same to the final buzzer. Really, George R. R. Martin would spoof this recap as A Game of Yoinks.
Giving up offensive rebounds, especially late, was also a familiar sight. The problem is that Amar'e needs to rotate over to cover or swat away interested parties. It leaves his man free to board up against a Shawne Williams or a Jared Jeffries. Greg Monroe and Wilcox did just that, grabbing three offensive rebounds a piece.
On the offensive end, the Knicks used Amar'e differently. He's been unconscious of late with midrange jumpshots coming off curls and off-ball movement. Last night, though, he was used far more frequently in pick-and-roll situations with Toney Douglas. The opportunities proved fruitful but he mishandled some passes and bumped up his TO count. The second quarter was particularly unkind as he tallied four of his five giveaways in the frame. He did, however, have his dunk of the year in the third quarter when he got full extension and Superman'd that Monroe, possibly sending his psyche into a singularity.
Toney Douglas still can't feel his face. He did what he do with 20 points, 11 assists, 5 boards and 4 more threes. If NBA players had entrance music when checking into games like baseball players coming up to bat, I'm fully confident that he'd come in to Jay Z's Feelin' It. Toney's inside-out game was cooking. In the second and third quarters, he carpet bombed the basket from downtown. Fourth quarter, he drove through various openings off PnR situations and served four of his assists as the defense had to respect his jumpshot.
Landry Fields was as Landry as he wanted to be in limited time. Douglas' play sops up his minutes these days but he still stuffed the sheet with a very Landry 9/4/1/1 in 21 minutes.
After a slow start, Extra E really made an impact in the second half. He picked up the rebounding slack 8 of his 9 boards in said half and hit 3 of his 4 threes in the fourth. The problem was that he allowed Charlie Villaneuva to return the favor on the other end. Charlie V's outside shot pulled Extra E off the glass and led to the eventual tip dunk from Wilcox that I'll keep mentioning cause I really, really can't believe it.
If you're wondering why Carmelo Anthony's been absent from this recap so far, it's because he was absent from the game (and apparently the media session). His game started well enough. His shot wasn't falling and the offense was sticky but he got a couple of boards, assists and a steal to make up for it. But that's all he did for the duration of the game. His line for the final three quarters was 0-6 FG, 2 FT, a rebound, an assist and a block. He seemed entirely disinterested because he wasn't receiving the ball where he likes it. See, the Knicks weren't posting him up until the fourth quarter. Even then, he had difficulty getting position and committed an offensive foul. I'll let the beat writers overreact to his demeanor but I am concerned about his effort when the offense isn't ran his way. Like I said, Douglas, Amar'e and Extra E's threes had something going on with the PnR so they rolled with it. That shouldn't mean your second best threat should check out of the game mentally.
With that, let's enjoy the rest of our weekends.
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I have the same feelings as a lot of you guys.
I want to blame someone. Say I told you so. Write angry fanposts.
But I told myself we were going to go through some rough stretches post trade. Probably the rest of the regular season.
Either way, being patient sucks, but that’s all we can be. We can’t make any more trades this year, and it makes no sense to fire anyone at this point in the season. Let’s just learn and grow all we can, and pray for Donnie to work his magic in the offseason.
The Knicks are back.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Mar 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
Well
Rough stretches are OK, but that Marbury slow-motion sulking on the court has got to go. I don’t care how many fucking millions he makes and I don’t care if he grew up in the basement of the fucking garden licking Bernard King’s fucking sweat off the floor.. That shit can go straight to China.
by fuhry on Mar 19, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the people who should be sulking are the ones in japan, not the ones making millions playing a kids game
My tea's gone cold I'm wondering why I
Got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window
And I can't see at all
And even if I could it'd all be gray
by espnsucks on Mar 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
When your team calls a time out, you need to get up off your fucking chair and join the huddle and at least pretend to listen. When you go scoreless for the last three quarters of the game, you don’t go run and hide in the team bus after the game without saying a damn thing. That kind of stunt would be beneath even Marbury to say nothing of players like Ewing or other Knicks heroes.
And if it is true
that Melo chewed out DWTDD for passing the ball to Shawne on the fast break (for a dunk) instead of to him, then holy crap. No wonder his former teammates don’t seem to miss him.
did he really? i thought they said he just shooked his head and smiled
My tea's gone cold I'm wondering why I
Got out of bed at all
The morning rain clouds up my window
And I can't see at all
And even if I could it'd all be gray
I didn’t like Melo’s body language last night, but until he’s interviewed, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was frustrated because he was having a bad night. Was he happy or sad during the Memphis game? Excuse me, but I want my star player unhappy when they’re losing.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 19, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
patiene is fine
its the way shit’s going down that people seem to not understand, especially those that just joined up with the Knicks recently. This sort of sulking and disinterest in doing shit that wins has been here before.
Its expecting players that have been in the game for almost or more then 10 years to change their game all of a sudden.
I mean fine, they’re giving up on the season. Its next season already, OK. We’ll just wait to add more mercenaries so they can fix this, right? Just sit here as it unfolds, everything will be fine.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
how the hell would you do that?
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That is amusing
They have had some epic arguments on here.
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So are you saying the date you joined this blog is the date in which you started supporting the Knicks
the fact that someone has followed the team for multiple years without signing on to this blog does not preclude them from being a fan for many years and or any more or less knowledgeable that someone who has been here since October 2010.
What makes you think or feel you have the authority to judge someones level of fandom? you seem to think that anyone who is not an overtly pessimistic curmudgeon must be a bandwagoner with no perspective.
S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
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joining the blog has absolutely nothing to do with what I said
but go on
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Typical game for the Knicks
Made a team full of average players look deep and balanced and another tall athletic player like Wilcox kills them again.
But it’ll be fine. Eventually everyone will fit seamlessly into the offense and play enough defense to win. Our superior star power will beat teams like Detroit before tipoff and lure new stars here en mass. We’ll get whatever we need eventually.
Also poor Landry. OF all people to play less minutes then Jeffries, its him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I hate it when ex Knicks get all fired up to play them and then have the game of their lives. If he played like that in NY he might still be here. Now the Knicks play Milwaukee and watch Earl Barron go off on them.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Disappointing.
Watching them consistently play down to their competition is frustrating. At least that seems to be the case, I guess we will find out the next time they play a team above .500.
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by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Mar 19, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
they play so fine
don’t you agree?
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by PrivateRadio on Mar 19, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Emm hmm...good and terrible
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
I realy like TD as the starting PG. Not just because Chauncey was bad
Or we could play both of them to start. I think if we start TD and bring Chauncey off the bench it keeps Chauncey fresher and gives TD more confidence. I am not worried about Melo’s attitude yesterday. it is good that your star is frustrated and upset when he is sucking and the team is losing. Look at the Heat. It took them 2 months to really start clicking at all. If we can start to click just before the playoffs we will be fine. I didn’t expect instant success when we put this team together. It is going to take time. Just be patient. I don’t expect to win a playoff series this year because of our lack of experience as teammates. Next year is the year this team was made for.
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by seton hall and steelers on Mar 19, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Derrick Brown WTF?
Meeting with Donnie Walsh to complain about his minutes? I can understand him wondering about why the Knicks claimed him off of waivers if they weren’t planning on using him, but to go over MDA’s head and complain to Walsh?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Derrick Brown is decent
Dude can be a really good rebounder and can fly.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Mar 19, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno based on highlights and his 3 dunks in garbage time, the dude can ball
He could be our 2nd….wait for it….Landry Fields but more athletic
Landry Fields for ROY
i am growing excited about the potential of having TD as a starting point guard in 2012. Personally, I think a lot of his recent improvement can be attributed to Chauncey.
I think it would be great if by 2012 TD can develop into a legitimate starting PG with Landry at the SG. WIth Melo and Amar’e, that would still give us the cap space to go after a BIG center.
Obviously we would love Dwight Howard, but in reality any strong big man who can rebound and defend would work. If we could add a decent bench to that, we got something real nice.
When you have players like Amar’e and Melo, you need other cost efficient effective players on your team. Landry and TD can be that in 2012 when we look for a big man.
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Also, just remember that the Heat started the season 9-8.
Patience, everyone.
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but don't forget the Knicks are not the Heat.
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http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/03/16/this-just-in-the-knicks-stink-at-defense/
Nice article about our defense, we have to guard PNR, stop fouling and protect the paint. Nothing to do with melo, nothin.
Agreed. It's just coincedence
that the Knicks’ defense has been the worse since the deal and the Nuggets’ has been the second best.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/keeping-score-why-the-nuggets-are-winning/
by gian casimiro on Mar 19, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but article doesnot express the reasons why, remember melo wasnot the only one who was traded.
Look at the fact that now donvers PNR coverage is much better with Ty and Felton and they have more depth at forward position. The best part of denver defense was always their wing defense, it was pnr and inside presence that was problematic. Same thing with knicks, only now our inside presence is high school like
So
Denver continued to strengthen their wing defense by adding Chandler, Gallinari and Felton and by getting rid of their two weakest wing defenders in Billups and Melo. And the Knicks’ interior is even weaker because Chandler’s not at the 4 anymore. Sounds right.
by gian casimiro on Mar 19, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
CB is problem on defense much more than melo, he cant guard anyone. PNR is the most important part of defense, if you cant stop penetration teams will punish you.
In general you are right, but knicks can fix that, by putting TD on PNR defense, who is evene better than felton and ty on d. The real game breaker is Amare, he plays d like he is in high school, this needs to change, i mean TD is killin himself outhere and he doesnt help him. Chandkler at 4 would make amuch of difference, because we lack size and interior presence. Amare needs to play 4 and turiaf 5 to aleast mitigate some problems with size. Regarding Melo, dantoni needs to challange him to defend the best opposing scorers, he can do that nad he is much better on the ball defender than of the ball, nut real problems are PNR and size.
just like Boris Diaw and Shawn Marion at the 5 and 4 can't get you to the Western conference finals
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yes but you need much more than that, this isnot the reason why suns were in wcf, that was their downfall.
And you are not beating east teams (bulls, heat, celtics and orlando) with that fronline. Today you need size, cause everybody got bigger at the top and you simply need size.
why not?
the only reason that team isn’t in the finals and not winning it is either cuz Joe Johnson or Amar’e was injured.
Chandler at the 4 could’ve won for us, no doubt. He does a lot of the things we’re missing right now. Amar’e’s best position is the 5 anyway so he doesn’t have to step out on good shooting 4’s. Chandler guarded that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
simply put that team has no chance against playoffs against east teams, its different ball game.
Suns were the most talented team in the nba back than, but their lack of size killed year in year out, probably one of the greatest offensive teams ever, but spurs destroyed on pnr and size, simple but effective. And against lakers (with gasol) that suns team had no chance whatsovever.
their injury to a big time part is what killed them
and who do we have to go up against in the East with all this size? Boston traded it away. We beat Chicago anyway. Orlando we beat if we have one more good player (Chandler…), and we can beat the Heat even in our sad state of a roster.
Chandler in this lineup makes us a legit contender
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really than we should go after chandler or what, idk about that.
we aint winning against lakers in our liftime with chandler agaisnt east times i agree, ouside of bulls and boston (theirs experience, grit and coaching) nobody really scares me in east. there fore this trade is even more logical, add a center and we become nightmare matchup for everybody in east.
one center gets us nowhere
they need a center and other bigs that can fill in at the 4 when Amar’e is out or we’re playing him at the 5 where he belongs
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I love your optimism
I agree, Chandler addresses our main problems and would give us what we needed on both ends of the floor. I would also keep
DWTDD as our starting PG. Chandler makes the Knicks a super solid legit contender. imho
He does what he does and that's what he does.
I'd say Chandler
And a quality center who could start for us
much better analysis of our defense
Switching: http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/03/14/knicks-difficulties-with-switching-screens/
and rosch remember this: http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/03/16/another-unnecessary-switch-hurts-the-knicks-vs-the-pacers/
But we he changed our switching schemes to an extentm it pNR and inside presence that are killin us, plu everybody is fouling on penetretion, especiall CB, Amare and turiaf, that is killin us.
This will turn around quickly
After tomorrow’s game, seven of the next eight are at MSG. They should put it together during this homestand. The first two are tough, Boston and Orlando, but we all know how much better the Knicks have been against good competition.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 19, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jay-Z's Feelin It is my 2nd favorite song by him of all time
and i would be honored to share thats song wit Mr. Toney Douglas…
P.S. U Don’t Know is my alltime favorite song by Jay-Z 8D
by blackhova on Mar 19, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Anybody know whats been up with Carter?
I sawe someone said he was sick the other day, but its been a week now. I miss the havoc he crwates when he comes in. Carter and Douglas with the 2s would be deadly. Both put a lot of pressure on the ball and create turnovers. And TD’s emergent scoring would be perfect.
by Crackback on Mar 19, 2011 8:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Douglas has been hot lately, and he’s getting all of Carter’s minutes added to what he got before. I agree though. For a coach who’s complaining about the lack of defensive effort, the sudden benching of a defensive specialist is puzzling.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 20, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You would figure, if anything, he could be used to limit Chauncey’s minutes. Ease him back from injury and also save him for the playoffs.
His contribution is undeniable. He wrecks offenses with his constant harrassment and he can get our offense set. He also let’s TD play more minutes so we can push the pace. Essentially we can make Carter the back-up for Chauncey and have Tony be the tweener.
Chauncey can expend some energy at the start and push the pace as much as he can. Then TD can become the pace pusher when he comes in for Landry, and Chauncey can take over in the half court. Then Carter can take it over or share it with TD when he comes in for Chauncey.
And I really like the pressure and turnovers we create with Tony and Carter. I think we should switch to a pressure and trapping D across the board actually. It would hide our interior deficiencies and create some easy buckets for us to match some of the easy buckets we give away.
by Crackback on Mar 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yes that should be useful
I was thinkig i we face bulls in playoffs, we coulld pressure d rose all the time, with td and ac and i mean all the time.
I like the idea of making Rose work for every minute he’s on the floor. Plus it would bait them into upping the tempo. Yeah Rose blow by anybody whenever he wants to. But if we can dictate when he bursts, or at least make him do it twice per possession, we can wear him out over four quarters. And over a series, all that pressure will take its toll on him. Especially since he’s their catalyst for just about everything they do offensively.
I also think that if we go with a pressure defense in general, it’ll really create a lot of stress for teams to match our offense. Its a given that we’re gonna score points; if we can create some easy buckets we can really push it up on some teams and make them play the way we want to play.
by Crackback on Mar 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carter's used up all his goodwill from doing a great job guarding D-Wade
Also his jumper has stopped falling.
LMFAO!
The Knicks continue to frustrate because they continue to be who we thought they were in terms of defense and rebounding.
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