Magic 111, Knicks 99: "So, so sick of watching these leads slip away."
by Seth on Mar 24, 2011 1:57 AM EDT
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PrintAmen, TheLuntz. I'm soooo over blown leads. Losses in general, really. Aretha's sick of 'em, too. Besides being tough to sit through, it's even getting a little tedious recapping these collapses. I'm running out of ways to say "the game was four quarters long, but the Knicks only tried for two and a half of them."
Snark aside, this was the best of all the recent losses [vomits]. Amar'e Stoudemire shot miserably, but he looked more focused on defense than he has in a while. Carmelo Anthony played perhaps his most complete offensive game as a Knick, scoring 24 points on just 12 shots and tossing 9 fairly impressive assists to cutters or open shooters. Those two again showed flashes of brilliance, connecting for easy buckets in an otherwise depressing final few minutes. Before punting another fourth quarter, Chauncey Billups was cookin' soup from outside. Ronny Turiaf and Jared Jeffries couldn't stop Dwight Howard, but they did what they could to keep the ball out of his hands and stifle others who dared approach the rim. Landry Fields kinda struggled, but Toney Douglas and Roger Mason contributed some outside scoring. Really, the team as a whole looked solid until the end game. At that point, the ball movement wasn't quite as absent as it's been in past fourth quarters, but the defense completely came apart.
Uh...that's it. Again, there was promise, but this was mostly more of the same. The Knicks are now below .500 again, for the first time since late November. Take the jump for some notes, none of which will be valid basketball analysis.
- Clyde on the slimmer Quentin Richardson: "He lost a whole body!"
- Melo was seen chatting with Malik Allen, his former teammate in Denver, before the start of the second half. I know this is completely childish, but I'm always surprised when players of vastly different calibers are close friends. It's kind of amazing to see a superstar like Allen slumming around with someone like Melo.
- Listen, hot but pretentious Miller Lite bartender lady: Yes, the guy doesn't feel that strongly about what light beer he drinks, and yes, he's wearing a rather skimpy set of bathing trunks, but none of that is grounds for such hostility. He's completely harmless and just wants some beer, not to be ridiculed by a stranger. Your pretty face don't match that nasty attitude.
- Jill Martin interviewed Aretha Franklin (pictured above) at halftime, and it was great. Jill asked her some pretty good questions, but Aretha mostly just zoned out and gyrated for the camera. She's a winner.
- Oh, here's some basketball: The pick and roll. It works. Get creative! Run it with Ronny Turiaf! Run it with Carmelo as the ball-handler! If those screens are set right, really great things can happen.
That's really all I've got to take away from this one. Amar'e's offense stunk, Melo's was rather promising, and the rest of the Knicks looked solid, but not for long enough. For the moment, we're fans of a losing team. Onward we go.
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JUST GIVE ME A DAMN WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell? Dwight Howard makes damn near all his free throws(sure), Hedo throws up rainbows as if there’s leprechauns at the end and makes em(sure), and we lose again. I’m just asling for 1 win.
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
I love watching that team
they’ve become what I wanted our old Knicks to become. They have a real center. They have a PF that does all the dirty work and has a decent jumper as well (of course I liked that for a backup PF with us). They have 2 nice true PGs, scoring depth off the bench.
Does go to show you that we really did need a lot. I mean the Knicks didn’t have a KMart, Nene, Lawson, JR Smith or even a bench player like Harrington capable of shit demoning to 30pts any given night.
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by Rorschach44 on Mar 24, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Same they're really fun to watch
They play great team ball and are always in attack mode
I caught the first half of the game last night. I’m happy for em. The crowd seems to love em and the team is playing great basketball. I used to despise the Nuggets too!
Gallo seems quicker, Chandler plays the same game I loved, and even Al Harrington had some ridiculous looking reverse 3 point play. Gahhhh.
Forever rooting for the Knicks though!
i'm a lurker
Related to that...
I notice the guy here saying how he was 100% sure Denver would get trashed in the first round has been quiet. Not sayin’ Denver will win or he’s wrong… but they sure look impressive with the serious depth they have now (sigh – used to be OUR depth)…… and are fun to watch like we used to be.
Also, WilChan had 6 blocks last night?! And the winning hoop? Gratz Wil… do your thing.
Watched the Nuggets game last night...
And it made me feel like I had been watching the Knicks game in slow motion. Those guys are fast and play with energy/ intensity. I guess you can do that when you have that depth. We have definitely slowed down a step or two (of course I realize part of the reason is that Chauncey’s still not 100%).
Think of it this way...
Amare played like shit tonite. He’s good for at least 10 more pts.
Hedo hit 2 prayers from the corner at the end of the shot clock (1 for three and another for two).
Nelson had a prayer answered just before half.
Billups had some totally inexplicable turnovers and bad shots that I don’t expect to see on a regular basis.
And we learned that Melo can be a brilliant playmaker when he wants to be. This skill should be exploited more often.
This game easily could have been a win. In fact, if Amare had the jumper goin even just a little bit and if Billups doesn’t gift wrap 4-6 pts, we win this one by double-digits.
by Crackback on Mar 24, 2011 2:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think when Chauncey’s out of the game, Melo should have his iso’s for the Knicks to be consistent on offense. Here’s why: he’s a knock down shooter that can erupt at anytime and cause double teams. He can beat most guys off the dribble for a lay-up or get fouled. Plus, he can dish out to the three point line for our shooters or find open cutters. The only problem is, guys just stand there expecting the ball when he’s by himself. You gotta move around to create easier passing opportunities for him and eliminate the double team.
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
What you said about guys standing around
Is a similar problem to what we had with Stat in October and November. They’ll get the hang of it.
Also, I really liked Melo playing some point forward last night.His passes out of the double team were exquisite and even though 9 assists a night is not to be expected, he could be a Joe Johnson-type ball handler and easily average 4-6 assists. Just like his defense, he’s gotta have the mindset
I agree that Melo should play more of a playmaker role. He attracks so much attention that its easy for him to burn defenses. Plus I think it’ll speed up his assimilation process. He’ll get a better perspective of the rhythm and timing of the offense and a better feel for Stat and the rest of his teammates.
I know I keep bangin this drum, but the Stat-Melo PnR needs to be the base foundation of everything when they’re on the floor together.
Somebody also had a great idea (forget who) and said we should implement some triangle plays. Triangulate Amare, Melo and Billups; with Poop in the oppisite corner and Tony at the weakside elbow-extended. That would be some deadly shit.
by Crackback on Mar 24, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sounds good.
maybe him running those few plays at the end of the game as the point forward showed something to Pringles. I mean, when billups is getting rest, we could try that out . TD scoring at the 2 and switching with melo running pointforward.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Except we're headed to the playoffs
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
random side note
the fact La La was doing some interviews at the garden tonight made me queasy….theres something about her I really dont like/trust/cant help but vomit over-
Voice of A Female Knicks Fan...
Golddiggerish qualities?
If so, then yes I get the same vibe.
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
Its the best loss we've had.
Still a completely hollow feeling.
my questions from the game
1. I kno there’s a “rotation” but turiaf played active(but not successful defense on howard, but more importantly can slash and finish around the basket. Unless he’s still hurt. he needs more minutes
2. Sef touched on it, II, but zero melo and amare pick n roll plays. It worked perfectly when melo ran it with minutes left in regulation
3. We will never win, I repeat, NEVER win against orlando if we are playing howard with shawnee williams down the stretch. That is like a guaranteed basket/foul. We have enough scorers and the lead was slim enough for us to use turiaf to at least contest and not foul.
another 4th quarter loss yall
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Mar 24, 2011 5:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
iono sem
Wtf was coach thinking when he saw the ball dumped to howard on every single possession late in the fourth and Shawne had absolutely no chance in slowing him down. Shit, he wasnt even strong enough to make him work for anything. Howard wasnt even sweating, he was fcukin smiling!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I thought the same thing and expressed my distaste for this in the post game thread
but apparently turiaf was hurt in the fourth quarter. If you were watching this game on ESPN u would have never known he was injured because the analysts didnt say one word that wasnt about dwight
yea, espn thread.
But im still for MDA, even though every word out of JVG’s mouth sounded like it should have been preceeded by “if i had this team”
he’s the only guy i’d agree with bringing in if mda got the boot. But right now.. its way too early to tell. And personally, I think jvg is going to patiently wait for the opportunity. It wont be this summer though.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
What was coach thinking probably something along the lines of
Calling George karl and asking to borrow Mozgov since he is not using him!
by Robert Currence on Mar 24, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
sure would have like to use 1 of the 4 back here.
mosgov (need)
gallo (talent)
if we would have kept one, id be feeling better. No use crying over spilled mommas boy milk.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Nah
No one could stop Howard tonight. I thought Extra E played him decent down the stretch – Melo was able to strip him once, and they put him on the line, which is usually a great strategy because they guy’s a TERRIBLE foul shooter who just happend to hit ALL of his foul shots down the stretch. The Knicks didn’t get good shots and should have done a better job obscuring Nelson’s easy breezy passes to Howard in the post.
He was dominant in the post.
At one point on the ESPN broadcast, Van Gundy started lauding how much his offensive game has developed and…he’s right. Dwight’s neigh unstoppable with his back to the basket, even more so with our undersized poops guarding him. Scary.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 24, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Amar'e is out of gas
As soon as we clinch a playoff spot he should be rested. I don’t care if we finish eighth. Those wrappings around his legs are troubling.
He does what he does and that's what he does.
i believed in knicks
they dont need to play hard now because theyre going on the playoff already and they dont need another injury going to the playoffs if they going to throw their body just to win one and unnecessary games. we will be deadly on the playoffs i believed in them.
chris sheridan is a little bit optimistic here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6252822
but its true
With one win on the road in Game 1 or 2 of the playoffs, euphoria will have replaced hysteria.
I’m optimistic that they’ll get it together. D’antoni just needs to find a rotation that works. No one expected a chip this year pre-trade and they shouldn’t now.
My only gripe is that these Knicks aren’t even fun to watch.
i'm a lurker
Yeah
The way they played should be enough to get some wins here in the next stretch to finish the season, we have less back to backs which should give more time to rest. The schedule really was rough in the last month and a half.
It gets worse
The season ends with 7 games in 11 nights. Hopefully things slow down for the playoffs.
by superturboultra on Mar 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank goodness for the East
If this team were in the West there would be no playoffs … wouldn’t even be close.
Dwight Howard
rapes us. We cannot stop him with two defenders. He pretty much scored on us in the first half whenever he wanted to.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."--Thomas Jefferson
I feel the same way about the Miller Lite bartender, Seth.
When I was a kid, there was a deli down the street from my high school, and lots of us would go there when class let out. The boys especially would flock there because the girl who made the sandwiches was really hot.
But she was so freakin’ rude, and she obviously despised the fact that we were allowed inside the deli. She made the sandwiches so skimpy, and so sloppily, and practically threw them at us when we had paid.
Half way through my junior year I realized, “Hey! This girl is really hot and everything, but she’s also a big fat jerk. And her sandwiches are garbage. Why am I going there. Just cuz everyone else goes there?”
So I started going somewhere else. True story.
The Knicks are back.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Mar 24, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
lol @ "so i started going somewhere else"
I thought u were leading up to some bo-gard story of how u went up there and shared some words before you decided to not go there anymore
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Whoa! You're right!
Man, I gotta go back there and find that girl, and tell her exactly how it is!
Man, she’s probably got a faceful of black eyes right now cuz of her big mouth.
The Knicks are back.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Mar 24, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
she might be a butta face by now
I swear every joint I used to think was bad back in highschool… is now bellied/fat/ or ugly. Ppl just dont take care of themselves
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
yea. that too.
but more so the " igotpoochgutbellymeatbutimnotfatlookinganywhereelseonmybody"
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Patience is a virtue...
and I realize this is going to take even more than it already has but we have got to beat Milwaukee on Friday. Orlando and Boston are one thing but Milwaukee beating us twice in a week is almost as bad as Cleveland beating us twice in a week…
not jsut b/c they are the bucks.
but our next tw are agaisnt bucks and bobcats, then orlando again.
with both bucks and bobacts being the two teams on teh bubble trying to get into the playoffs.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Also,
People were saying my fanpost on Amare being hurt was nonsense. But after the game, even D’Antoni was like, “I really need to sit him down and rest him.”
D’Antoni wouldn’t say that for nothing. Amare is really banged up. Remember Duhon’s back was leaking vertebrae juice, and D’Antoni wouldn’t even look at the bench.
The Knicks are back.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Mar 24, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions
hard to rest him though
when teams needs to gell and only 11 games left. and fighting to maintain playoff position. Its not dier straights, but i dont want it to get to that point. with end of season games against boston and chicago. these next few are pretty important.
but someone has to step up if we rest him. Shawne at the 4 and d brown playing some 3? Walker at the 3?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Why is Walker not getting any spin at all?
From what I remember of his last few appearances, he wasn’t playing badly and his defense was actually looking at least a little bit better. He was even helping on the boards!
b/c of the good play from RMJ
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Has he really been playing that well?
Or am I just tainted from how his season started and continued thru February?
I dunno, but I just feel like Bully offers us a little more. More rounded offense (3s plus the occasional drive) and at least a lil bit more bounding.
I have to agree...
I mean it’s kinda cool that RMJ has pulled himself off the bench with his play and he does hit timely 3s pretty often but I’m not sure he deserves as much burn as he’s getting.
Seth, thank you for putting the Miller Lite bartender lady in her place!
I’ve been feeling the same way for a while now
by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Mar 24, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
Will admit that she is mildy attractive tho... hehe
but agreed. still no right for the attitude issues.
I thought they played well the first 10 minutes of the second quarter
And then the offense stagnated after that. More Turiaf pick and rolls, please.
As for Melo, let him be the backup point guard, but try to limit his back to the basket stuff. He needs to keep his teammates in front of him so he can draw attention and distribute.
Saw some nice stuff tonight. Chauncey hit a few shots but did not look worth the money to me. It is painful to watch this team when every rebound is a struggle. Gave up a couple of huge O-boards late.
They needed to keep the pedal to the medal after they took that 9 point lead, but I thought they played “Don’t fuck up” instead of “Try to Bury Them” after that. I’ll take some more turnovers in the third quarter trying to put pressure on the other team over playing conservative and going into the 4th quarter down by 1 with the other team unafraid of our offense.
we gotta keep our composure!!
we’ve come too far!! there’s too much to lose!!
"They say when he runs past people on screens......he burns people."
by total hermination on Mar 24, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
nice
Most Definitely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU
by Ray Smuckles on Mar 24, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Our bench may be the worst in the league
We have Balkman, Rautins, Brown, Carter Walker and Sheldon Williams, that’s all that has to be said. I’m looking forward to the offseason and to see if Walsh or whoever the GM is, put together a respectable bench
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The Phinsider - "As Long as we finish ahead of the Jets, the season is a success"
by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 24, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
we also don’t exactly use our bench…aside form williams and the corpse of jared jefferies, who can’t even make a friggin layup.
With good reason
They are not very good. We need some reliable player on the bench, Camby and Q-Rich would be nice to have
Blueshirt Banter - "The Worlds Greatest Entertainers"
Pinstripe Alley - "The Kings of the Ring"
The Phinsider - "As Long as we finish ahead of the Jets, the season is a success"
by The Last Shall Become First on Mar 24, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Quentin Richardson conveniently lost 20 pounds as soon as he was no longer a Knick
I don’t think he’ll be back. At least I hope not.
There are so many issues rite now...
For 1, can we stop trying to score more? we were a top scoring team b4 the trade and will continue to be after the trade… How bout not giving up 30 plus points in the fourth quarter? Newsflash to the NYK when u give up less points you dont HAVE to score 115 points to win everynite , and stoudemire and melo need to stop bitchn and poutn when they dnt get calls and get back on defense… there were multiple times wen amare wasnt even seen on the defensive end becuz he took his time getting back. Stop whinin and D’up , Lets face it Melo is a great player.. He isn’t a great Leader… Never has been.. and honestly thats kool… but dude u said u wanted to b here… soo wen u lose or have a bad game i dnt wanna hear about u avoiding the media and hiding on the bus, i dnt wanna hear that u are walking out of huddles, Play ball, and these excuses that Amare is tired? Tired? Really? is dat wat were going with now? Every player is tired this time of the season, its not like this was a back 2 back or they had to travel… they were off the day before and were playing at home how are you tired? and he wont b able to rest any of them now that our record is below .500 soo if ur tired now wat are u going to be next month wen we are playing a physical boston team every other day? But i should calm down because ths team is waiting for paul or d williams in 2012 right? Yea… 2012 our year knicks fans so we shouldnt expect much until then according to people making these excuses for them
by Chikzluvkooljay on Mar 24, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Judgmental Miller Lite bartender girl
is Sabina Gadecki, David Lee’s fiance.
OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND
Lee runs through that?
damn…LEE!!!
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No wonder why she went so HARD IN THE PAINT
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
even tho she is sexier in that commercial than any google'd pic of her
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I was just noticing the same
she looks so much better in the commercial…the pics just eh
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