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Bucks 102, Knicks 96: "This is approaching self parody."

If I may...

Last (time of day), the Knicks blew another one. Though they played reasonably competent basketball for most of the game, a terrible (ordinal number from one to four, probably one or four. Maybe both.) quarter doomed their chances of beating (group of less talented individuals). New York's guards struggled to contain (human being) off the dribble, while the bigs were helpless against the pick-and-roll. This led to the usual switching, mis-switching, and open shots inside and out. New York made a comeback, in part because of better ball movement and defense by the bench unit, and the deficit to as little as (single-digit number) before team play completely evaporated in the closing minutes. The Knicks stopped moving the ball, resorted to contested jumpers, and couldn't get stops on the other end. Seth tearfully shoveled (snacks) into his face, then took a scalding hot shower once the game ended.

Flossy's comment was on the money! Take the jump for some notes.

Star-divide

- I know Chauncey Billups is capable of great things, because I saw him do great things which my eyes (which, like my hips, are not prone to deception) before he got injured. That thigh bruise, though, isn't done healing, and it may have metastasized to his brain. Not being able to stay in front of Brandon Jennings (or really any bipedal organism) is one thing, but heaving contested three-pointers is something else entirely.

- Chauncey got some help in the form of Toney Douglas, who replaced Landry Fields to support Billups early in the first quarter, then started in Landry's place in the second half. Toney did a better job staying in front of Jennings, but he was just as easy to lose off screens.

- A vociferous "fuck yeah" for Anthony Carter, who wiggled off the bench for the first time in a few games, and really set the tone defensively in the second quarter. A few reckless passes are completely forgivable since Anthony got his hands up against John Salmons, chased down shooters and long rebounds, and even notched himself 7 points on 3 shots. Fuck yeah, Anthony Carter.

- Though he didn't play an especially great game, another "fuck yeah" for Shawne Williams, who chased down Keyon Dooling in transition and put a good, hard foul on him to prevent the layup. Fuck yeah, Shawne Williams. (Shawne was benched for his efforts.)

- Walt Frazier and Mike Breen, perhaps after some pre-game discussion, went in on the Knicks last night. They reamed 'em out good. Breen criticized the culture of this club: the lack of leadership, the apparent absence of urgency and disgust, the repetition of the same ills. Clyde took to his own "hate-by-play" commentary, in which he shouted for the players to move the ball and help one another as plays transpired. Names usually weren't named, but it was, as far as I can recall, as ruthless as the Breen/Clyde tandem has ever been. That is in no way a complaint. The Knicks deserved a good reaming. D'Antoni deserved it for not motivating his team properly, Melo, Billups, and Amar'e deserve it for not acting like leaders. Most everybody else deserves it for failing to execute when called upon. (Not to go all conspiracy theory, but I can't help but wonder if they were given some sort of green light to voice their criticisms, particularly against the coach, at full bore. I don't believe that to be true, but it did cross my mind after the game.)

- Clyde calls Brandon Jennings "JENNEENGS!" like this guy does to Greg Jennings! That was the massive silver lining to Brandon putting the team on his back.

- Carmelo Anthony played perfectly fine in isolation, particularly during the first quarter. He's demonstrated an uncanny ability to shine when the rest of the team is floundering on both ends.

- I can't shake the feeling that the sleeve on Andrew Bogut's right arm is, in fact, holding that arm together. That injury video will haunt my perception of him for the rest of his career. If I ever meet him in person, I'll probably look at his arm and faint.

- Ronny Turiaf, for all his defensive talents, was just as bad at defending the pick-and-roll as Amar'e Stoudemire was. Soft doubles for days.

- Melo's worst play of the game: Bricking pull-up three from the top of the arc, then not getting back in transition when Carlos Delfino leaked out in the other direction for an easy lay-in.

- Shelden Willams got to spin, and he deserves some credit for trying very hard, but it's just difficult to run and jump with NBA athletes when you're trying to hold in a fart the whole time.

- Disappointed to see there isn't a .gif yet of She-Will getting triple-teamed, stumbling around for like five seconds, then finally coughing up the ball.

That's really it! It's pretty tough to watch these games right now, but I'll continue to do so because I am nothing if not a masochist. Bobcats tonight.

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the only way to explain my comment more clearly is that i am a met fan
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?

by espnsucks on Mar 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

poop paper

Fields, on the follow!

by nygmp42 on Mar 26, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This lady in a TGIF yesterday asked

“Where are the toilets?” I started laughing. BATHROOM COME ON PEOPLE!

Follow me on twitter

by Jeterian 2 on Mar 26, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Europe they call them toilets

bathroom is a purely american euphemism.

by YIK on Mar 26, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao greg jennings vid

the only way to explain my comment more clearly is that i am a met fan
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?

by espnsucks on Mar 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Although I can't help but enjoy this after hating that trade in a very masochist sort of way

this team needs a win, just in the same way those mid 00s squads did. Just annoying to watch this crap.

 I think I’ll have some casual sex with a goat this afternoon and then cook it up in some curry, it worked for that big Spurs win earlier in the year. Plus I love goat.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 26, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

How do you stop it from kicking you?

Any foreplay tips?

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Mar 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the most part just make sure its not eating

but also if you fed it some xanax that generally works

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK YOU GUMBY!

Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre

by King Henry the 2nd on Mar 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I saw it for the first time a few months ago.

My friends and i constantly quote it. Just a delightful video.

by tkow on Mar 26, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the odds of a win tonight?

Actually, I feel like this is the type of game we’ll play well in – a game where expectations are so low, we’ll come out and put on a clinic and screw up all of our heads….. again.

Do I think we’ll win… nope. But I wouldn’t put it past this guys, if only just to annoy us even more when we’re just starting to accept that we suck.

by Zhantee on Mar 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

...
Actually, I feel like this is the type of game we’ll play well in – a game where expectations are so low, we’ll come out and put on a clinic and screw up all of our heads….. again.

I’ve been waiting a few weeks for this, myself.

Fields, on the follow!

by nygmp42 on Mar 26, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

True...

I’ll admit to feeling kinda the same way just last night. But we have a few people now seriously talking for the first time about not making the playoffs – and others hoping we don’t. So our Knicks will see that and just try to twist the knife a little bit more with a win… which will just lead to MORE pain in the end. hehe

by Zhantee on Mar 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling they’ll win tonight. They’re angry, and the Bobcats are probably still patting themselves on the back after beating the Celtics. Of course, six minutes in, when they’re trailing 25-3, I’ll change my mind.

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???

by rxmeister on Mar 26, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

they better be angry

it would be nice to see any kind of emotion from the team

by eeeeeestern on Mar 26, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's that mean?

Yeah early in the season he could throw a tantrum and scare Fields, Gallo, and Chandler into playing harder. Melo and Chauncey will just tell him to kiss their asses!

by Robert Currence on Mar 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I may...

Last Friday, the Knicks blew another one. Though they played reasonably competent basketball for most of the game, a terrible 1st-4th quarter doomed their chances of beating a Middle school JV team. New York’s guards struggled to contain the kid with severe asthma off the dribble, while the bigs were helpless against the pick-and-roll. This led to the usual switching, mis-switching, and open shots inside and out. New York made a comeback, in part because of better ball movement and defense by the bench unit, and the deficit to as little as 9 before team play completely evaporated in the closing minutes. The Knicks stopped moving the ball, resorted to contested jumpers, and couldn’t get stops on the other end. Seth tearfully shoveled special brownies into his face, then took a scalding hot shower once the game ended.

by Loco For Loko on Mar 26, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice!

Last poop, the Knicks blew another one. Though they played reasonably competent basketball for most of the game, a terrible poop quarter doomed their chances of beating poop. New York’s guards struggled to contain poop off the dribble, while the bigs were helpless against the pick-and-roll. This led to the usual switching, mis-switching, and open shots inside and out. New York made a comeback, in part because of better ball movement and defense by the bench unit, and the deficit to as little as poop before team play completely evaporated in the closing minutes. The Knicks stopped moving the ball, resorted to contested jumpers, and couldn’t get stops on the other end. Seth tearfully shoveled poop into his face, then took a scalding hot shower once the game ended.

by Seth on Mar 26, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seth tearfully shoveled poop into his face, then took a scalding hot shower poop once the game ended.

"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields

by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

both rec'd

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 26, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Press Manipulation

I can see what is happening. This trade happened in the way it happened because Isaiah completely had Dolan’s ear and convinced him (against Donnie Walsh’s advice) that it was irrelevant how much had to be coughed up to get Melo. And typical of his years when he was officially in charge of basketball operations, Isaiah completely overpaid for a player with some obvious talent but who didn’t fit a specific need for the team. So -- he basically squandered all the moves Walsh had made to finally get the Knicks in reasonably good shape.

It is has clearly gone south for obvious reasons. And ….. con man that he is, Isaiah and his stooge Dolan now need a convenient scapegoat. D’Antoni is the obvious guy to blame for their complete mismanagement of roster, salary cap, etc. I’m not sure if there are direct or indirect orders heading down to the press but …… clearly the frenzy to fire D’Antoni is building. I think there are better coaches in the NBA than D’Antoni but -- he’s more than competent and has some very good talents on putting together effective offensive strategies. But …… just like the media built up the frenzy leading up to the Melo trade so that it reached the point that almost everyone was saying that the trade “HAD” to be made …… regardless of what they gave up …… now we are seeing a similar frenzy building to fire D’Antoni. If Walsh’s contract isn’t renewed, D’Antoni will be gone. If Walsh re-ups, he still may be facing a ton of pressure to fire D’Antoni.

by Jeff I on Mar 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually Walsh may have to Choose between his job and D'Antoni's.

Personally, D’antoni should just give up and roll out and go get another job where he will get the support he needs to be successful. D’Antoni has been a loyal soldier here from day one and has been continually undermined and shit canned. 34 players in 3 years! Roster after Roster gutted. Every player he got to marginally play well, traded over the last three years. And now he is being hung out to dry. Dolan Man up, Re-up Donnie, and give D’Antoni an extension, because he has gotten the shit end of the stick since he has been here, and has not once gone Larry Brown on your ass!

have you folks been looking at D’antoni in the press conferences it is not just that this team is losing, but for the first time it looks like D’Antoni wants out! I don’t think we are gonna see Pringles fired, I think Pringles will quit at the end of the season. he said before that he can’t coach where he does not feel the organization is behind him, and he can’t possibly feel like management has his back!

by Robert Currence on Mar 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure Dolan knows who Mike D is

he just traded five quarters for a dollar, jacked up ticket prices and went back to sleep

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if nothing else

we’re pretty much out of moves so that roster will have to see some kind of stability for the time being

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on now with the Isiah stuff

You wanna know why Dolan made the trade? Check the ticket prices for next season. Those are Melo prices not Gallo prices.

You want a conspiracy to chew on? Melo forced a trade by telling Denver management he would only extend with Chicago or the Knicks. Why? Because the upcoming VH1 reality show about him and LaLa needed to be set in a major city to be nationally relevant and that shit will be beacoup bucks for LaLa and him. He did it for his family, remember?

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Carmelo Anthony played perfectly fine in isolation, particularly during the first quarter. He’s demonstrated an uncanny ability to shine when the rest of the team is floundering on both ends.

Don’t think this is merely a coincidence.

"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields

by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 26, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

r. randolph

I used to like Robert Randolph.

by jimwindolf on Mar 26, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!

THIS is the Randolph who we should be ranting and raving about. He’s a goddamned fucking curse. No Randolph of any kind has done shit for the Knicks. Furthermore, “and The Family Band” has menacing, Manson undertones. Get ridda this fuckin guy already

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

aw be easy on robert

he’s doing it just to get there, you know? BWAAAHHH NAH nuh NAH nuh nuh

i did laugh at the manson / family band comparison though, that was pretty funny.

"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon

"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler

by ny knickerbocker on Mar 26, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE had a good team and we lost them

“Good” wasn’t “good enough for us,” we thought we were slick and going to get over. But we got hard lesson to learn. Our team has a new life, a new coach, a new city and it’s their turn. Wonder if they laugh when they win and look at the score board and we lose!

by Robert Currence on Mar 26, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Did we send the <3 to Denver too?

Let’s use the skills we’ve developed over the last 10 years: embrace the losses and the team that gives them to us!

Remember how the 2010 team started the season? 3-8, with a six game losing streak for any newcomers. They looked like a newborn giraffe, covered in mucus and stumbling around. And then all of a sudden, it clicked. We ran through the league like a bran muffin.

Now the 2011 Knicks are in their awkward phase. Except, unlike the team at the beginning of the season, we are playing teams who have been in their schemes and with each other for about 7 times the number games our group has had together. That gap in familiarity is enormously difficult to overcome when the worst player in the league is one of the best players in the world. These guys, players and coaches, are too accomplished in the league and talented individually to not figure it out.

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep hope Alive!

said in my best Jesse Jackson voice!!!!!

by Robert Currence on Mar 26, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

This team is actually really good! The old one we all loved so much would have lost to the Heat 97 times out of 100 in any real playoff series called by NBA refs! There is a darkside to the NBA and this team will be able to operate within that!

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This team is actually not as good talent wise as we gave up

There I said It. The only way this team had a chance in hell of beating the bucks was if Amare or Carmelo go for 40 while the other go for around 25-30Pt. Jennings toyed with Billups in a way he never could have Felton. This actually reduced our depth, because it forced fields to the bench cause Douglas had to pull double duty at 2 guard, and saving Billups ass. We have no size and Bogut did whatever the hell he wanted when he wanted. The only reason we did not get blown out is because Milwaukee is not a good basketball team and they made a ton of mistakes that a team with our supposed talent should have been ablr to exploit. Serious upgrades needed for next season because if we kept this team as is, it would not win 35 games! There I said it!!!!

by Robert Currence on Mar 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felt good, didn't it.

You sound like Seth after a scaldingly hot poop.

by GAx on Mar 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely

we sent out the entire starting lineup of probably a 35 win team in that trade. Right now, Denver is the better team, with more good players. But I think Carmelo is better than any individual we gave up and you can only play 5 guys at once. There’s a lot to be upset about with that trade but bringing in premium talent how you can and then going from there isn’t a bad strategy.

And now with the big pieces in place, the skills we need to support them are gonna be a bit easier to come by, defensive specialists in the post and on the wing can be had more easily than primary scorers. The only big question is who will run the point…

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly

but I think Melo is more suited to being the main guy with the ball in his hands and Amare is the best around at finishing plays set up for him. And I do believe their games can successfully overlap with devastating effect even if they may never be fully complementary. We see signs of it here and there already. Having two elite scorers, nothing wrong with that.

I think come October we will be able to look at the roster and say to ourselves that we consolidated Gallo and Wil into Melo and will now have the opportunity to give minutes to, say, an aggressive wing defender. The holes made will allow us to diversify the skills on the roster a bit with players Donnie (hopefully) chooses.

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think to say that Melo = Gallo + Wilson is pretty reductive and frankly off base

Not only can Melo not give you 60-70 minutes a night at multiple positions (for obvious reasons), he simply doesn’t apply himself on the defensive end the way those two did. I do think that he and Amar’e will combine to score a lot of points—next season they should be the highest scoring duo in the league without much difficulty. But I also think they compound each other’s defensive issues, and the $40 million we’ve committed to the two of them plus the draft picks we gave up to both clear cap space and then get Melo are going to cripple the franchise going forward.

Donnie (we hope, or someone worse) can tinker around the margins but the only way to get additional really high-value players who outperform their contracts is to draft very well, and the Knicks have given away a whole lot of their future draft picks. Adding more of the Shawne Williams of the league is not going to elevate this team to a contender. And starting-quality centers and point guards simply don’t come cheap.

by flossy on Mar 26, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I said was

Melo+opportunity for an as yet unknown player will be the result, that we don’t know what the trade off is yet because the team is still under construction.

We’re obviously stuck right now watching this team, but I don’t think the franchise has been crippled by the moves made to get here. Two first round picks in the next three drafts, and still with some good young players and some expiring money. No idea what the 2nd rounder situation is but I’m sure there’s some somewhere. The draft is there, trade possibilities are there without even needing to swindle the other team. The 2012 free agents bear watching. I don’t know why the mid-level exception would go away, so that’s there, too. And while D’Antoni doesn’t maximize every single player given to him, lowly regarded players do seem to end up producing for him with some regularity.

by Dutchmarau on Mar 26, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing about that video

Was that Brandon Jennings nickname was gumby

Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre

by King Henry the 2nd on Mar 26, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Once again

                                            DOLAN MUST GO

                                            DOLAN MUST GO

                                            DOLAN MUST GO

We will never have a team here. Dolan, with his little helper, ripped the heart right out of this team.

by meandterry on Mar 27, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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