Bobcats 114, Knicks 106: "Same story, different day."
by Seth on Mar 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT
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PrintWell, there's only one way to assess seton hall and steelers's comment from last night. TO THE MAD LIB!:
Last night, the Knicks blew another one. Though they played reasonably competent basketball for most of the game, a terrible second quarter doomed their chances of beating the Bobcats. New York's guards struggled to contain Matt Carroll!?!?! off the dribble, while the bigs were helpless against the pick-and-roll (and the gelatinous drives of Boris Diaw). This led to the usual switching, mis-switching, and open shots inside and out. New York made a comeback, in part because of better ball movement and defense
by the bench unit(eh, kinda), and cut the deficit to as little as four before team play completely evaporated in the closing minutes. The Knicks stopped moving the ball, resorted to contested jumpers, and couldn't get stops on the other end. Seth tearfully shoveled chili into his face, then took a scalding hot shower once the game ended.
Yeah, pretty much the same story. Take the jump for a few notes.
- The first quarter was okay. The Knicks gave up 30 points to one of the NBA's weakest offenses (minus a bunch of players, let's not forget), but they pushed from the backcourt to get in transition and got a big boost from Carmelo Anthony. Melo's isolation game looked best when he played power forward with the second unit (matched up against the helpless D.J. White.)
- Just to mix things up, New York picked the second period for their sudden descent into torpor. Amar'e Stoudemire replaced Melo as the lone star amongst bench players, and the Knicks turned to just drop-kicking outside shots on one end and granting the Bobcats second and third opportunities on the other. Charlotte outscored New York 26-7 over the first 7 and a half minutes of the quarter. Not ideal. 64 points was the Bobcats' highest first half total of the season. Also not ideal.
- Did you guys know that Paul Silas talks like he's from 1900? He's the coolest.
- Amar'e Stoudemire couldn't stay in front of Boris Diaw, so...um...those must be some tired-ass legs. Seriously, though, coaches are telling their big men and Borises to go right at Amar'e. He's become an easy target, and he's shown no signs of trying to deter that trend.
- Toney Douglas started over Landry Fields in this one, more as a defensive crutch for Chauncey Billups than as a replacement for Landry. All three guards struggled against dribble penetration, and they had varying degrees of offensive success. Toney got pretty much nothing going, while Billups was decent off the dribble, but continued to shank ugly pull-up threes. Fields, meanwhile, ended up playing waaaay more minutes than Douglas, and made good on them with 16 points on just 8 shots. As a rookie, Fields probably can't rely on getting calls that frequently, but as he learns to dribble with more conviction and at the right angles, he's getting better and better at drawing contact while still getting a good look at the rim. Pretty Landry outing, at least on offense.
- Dan D'Antoni, speaking with Tina Cervasio in the usual halftime assistant coach rotation got so worked up about the Knicks' struggles that he was out of breath and making all sorts of odd noises at the end of the interview. I'm pretty sure he swallowed his tongue.
- Melo and Chauncey cut the lead to 11 in the third quarter, then Melo sank back-to-back threes in the fourth to cut the lead to five. It got down to four at some point after that. On each occasion, i wrote the word "whatever" in my notes.
- Hey, good job, Shelden Williams! Shawne Williams started (and struggled, as I feel like he tends to do when he starts), but Shelden spelled him (rhyme?) for 25 solid minutes off the bench (and started the second half). She-Will sank all three of his field goals (all inside), pulled down nine rebounds, and fouled a bunch of people. Good effort, person.
- Stephen Jackson is soooooo Stephen Jackson.
- I don't want to discount Melo's 36 points (on 25 shots) so...here it is. He played pretty nicely. I think we'd prefer he eased off the 3-10 outside shooting and stepped up the 7-8 free throw shooting, but it was an impressive offensive outing nonetheless. Like the night before, though, there isn't much to be said for putting up a bunch of points in isolation in a loss to a bad team.
And onward we go, the chances of missing the playoffs still incredibly slim. The Knicks play the Magic in a rematch of the asbestos game tomorrow night.
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Carmelo after the game:
"Offensively, I’m not worried about that," Anthony said. "I’m not worried about me trying to fit in into the quote, unquote system that we’re supposed to have. I’m not worried about that."
Glad you’re not worried about fitting in! Quote unquote go fuck yourself, guy.
he's sooo cocky
Height: Gallo>melo. 3pt shooting: gallo>melo. D:gallo>melo. HEART gallo>melo
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?
"system that we're supposed to have"?
Now that’s insulting to MDA. He’s basically dismissing the coach. not a good sign.
er, what question was he responding to?
give us context for once, if you want to be considered something other than a hack.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You're the only one who considers me a hack
And I don’t feel I need to explain myself to a cheerleader
Seriously though
What question? Sounds like he could have very well been referring to the idea of “D’Antoni’s system” that the media throws around, and may have referenced. If I’m wrong, prove me wrong?
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The quote came from the NY Times
They didn’t provide the question either. That Jonathan Abrams, what a hack! Here’s the full quote:
"Offensively, I’m not worried about that," Anthony said. "I’m not worried about me trying to fit in into the quote, unquote system that we’re supposed to have. I’m not worried about that. It’s just one of those games, where if you take the second quarter out, we win the basketball game." The Knicks were outscored by 34-20 in the second quarter.
It doesn’t honestly matter what the question was, because the answer itself is dripping with entitlement and disrespect to the coach.
lol
“if you take that 2nd quarter out”.
Well if you take the Knicks defensive possessions out, they probably win too
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you really do need the question
if you want to accuse Melo of “entitlement and disrespect to the coach,” two things which I’m sure the NY Times stops well short of accusing him of, despite publishing the quote.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness Rooster has a point. The question posed really does set up the answer.
I think we’re starting to fall into the trap of interpreting everything Melo says through a negative prism. Let’s not do that just yet.
The other day he was saying how the system is good, all the players around the league love MDA’s system and he just needs to learn what he can and cannot do. Players say things they don’t mean after a tough loss. Maybe that’s why he left last week without speaking to the media.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He hasn't done enough to lose it, yet.
You know I wasn’t ride-or-die with the trade, far from it. I’m not trying to rah-rah for Melo. I’m just sayin we all know how the media can put words in interviewees’ mouths sometimes. Imo you can draw negative conclusions from that quote, but only if you’re looking for it.
Eh
When somebody forces a trade to a team (one that costs the team most of its best players) and accepts a maximum level salary extension, the onus is on the player to do all he can to fit in and say the right things.
In my eyes he's improved his team game over the last couple games, and he hasn't really said anything fucked up.
That uproar over the defensive scheme thing was totally overblown. This is starting to look the same way. He might have phrased it in a stupid way that makes it open to looking at it pejoratively, but he’s hasn’t been malicious or anything, really.
The worst things I can think of is being mad at Jefffries for that inbound pass and Landry for not hitting him on the cut, and both are honestly small shit. Unless it continues, he gets a pass because, eh, whatever.
I really think we all need to take it easy on the Melo Sucks rhetoric until we actually have a mound of shit built up. He’s not even close to being a Marbury yet, no matter how similar the optics of his towel hood may appear.
How much Melo is paid is irrelevant
If he says something innocuous and the media twists his words to make him seem like an asshole, that’s defamation. Even if it stops short of legal defamation, it’s slimy and unfair and useless and there’s no reason whatsoever that you or anyone else should buy into it.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
It's not irrelevant
He’s being paid to be a leader and he’s falling on his face. How many dumbass things has Amar’e said that have been “taken out of context” in his time here? Exactly. And yet Melo has been here for about 10 minutes and has spent half that time with his foot in his mouth.
Amare had a few early on, actually
We just forgot them once the team started winning. Just like we will with Melo’s quotes.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
He said like three things that were twisted as him saying D'Antoni doesn't coach defense
I don’t have links to them b/c I don’t read the tabloids, but I remember the minor controversies (immediately defused by a Knicks win).
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If you guys expect Melo to be a leader
You’re screwed. There’s no simpler way of putting it.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
In Soviet Russia, Mozgov dunk on YOU.
My name is Al Harrington. I do not get buckets.
If you call 36 points, 4 boards, 2 Blocked Shots, and a steal...
falling on your face, I wish we had more guys on the team falling on their face……like Amare!! Amare is supposed to be the team leader and what have we seen out of him lately??? Not leadership. If you ask me Melo is keeping us in games while Amare regains his legs or swagger or whatever it is that’s ailing him.
What has he done to earn the privilege of having his quotes misconstrued for no reason other than to slander him and satisfy angry fetishes?
Melo, being a human, deserves to have what he says interpreted correctly, as does everyone regardless of how much (or little) joy they bring to your lives.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
if only I could violently hate public figures to compensate for my own deficiencies
you and I would get along beautifully
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I don't follow baseball
Curry was irritating, but I’d have signed that contract and exercised that option too, as would any of you.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
i would not have given up what i did for a player who's own team wasn't playing him for health/insurance reasons
I was intrigued by his promise, sure, but I wasn’t in lust after him like Isiah was for him and Crawford.
and it's the years that followed that should summon the bile
He’s had a lot of rough shit happen to him, sure, but I’m only interested in how he comports himself on the court. Him telling the Knicks to do the right thing and buy him out so he could get playing time elsewhere if he wasn’t in any future plans was AMAZING.
You're not interested that the mother of his children and his baby daughter were murdered in cold blood.
Rough shit, huh?
I guess I could have elaborated and written how I fully empa-sympathized with his trials in "real life"
but like I said, at the end of the day I only know about him because he’s a professional basketball player who was on my team’s roster. I can understand how all the trials and tribulations he went through could traumatize and obliterate any passion he has for the sport, but don’t then turn around and continue to pretend you care about playing. Take a hiatus. Retire if you need to(but can’t because you’re broke and need an advance on your salary). Strictly in the basketball sense, who gives a shit about Eddy Curry.
Everyone deals with traumatic life events differently
If Curry seems inconsistent on whether he wants to play or not, I can’t judge him.
I'm not his therapist, so I have no qualms about doing so.
Fuck him. He was shit before all that happened. He had one good season the Knick faithful thought was the beginning of something worthwhile. He proved he wasn’t cut out to be in the NBA so, yeah, glad he’s off the team. Hope he does well and has a good life, but fuck off my team.
Fuck him, hope he does well?
Which is it?
I’ve had close friends struggle with depression so I am really uncomfortable making value judgments about that sort of thing.
Fuck him in the professional basketball sense.
Hope he can deal with it without hamstringing my team financially. I’m not cold to whatever mental/emotional toils he might be going through. As a human being I hope he maintains and stays healthy in every way, but in terms of my fandom I hope he brings his dysfunction to Miami.
A little straddling of the lines perhaps, probably a little cruel, but this isn’t day-care and I don’t need to be the one patting his butt hoping he pulls through whilst he harangues the team for not giving him more money/playing time.
Sure, in the basketball sense.
I used to loathe his guts until all the stuff happened with his family. By then, he wasn’t anything more than a useful expiring contract.
He was such a waste of a player, but enough time has passed that I can’t sum up much feeling for him anymore, other than embarrassment.
I can't get mad at players for signing ridiculous contracts that owners put in front of them
even when they know they can’t live up to them. that’s the fucking American Dream, man.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not living up to it is one thing.
Barely playing because of injuries because you’re fat and…you know what? I know what you’ll reply to this. Let’s just leave it here.
horrible GM
doesn’t deserve the villain treatment he gets from us despite being in Florida. 100% of his players have been traded or released (counting Jeffries and Balkman because they were shipped out then brought back) so I don’t see a reason to dwell on it, really.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Fuck Isiah Thomas Forever.
Even seeing that college kid with the same name in Washington fills me with irrational irritation.
more like four
although you can add the two post-Isiah rebuilding years, and maybe discard one or two of the early years because Layden left such a fucking mess.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember that Isiah was essentially asked to quickly build a health spa on the remains of Chernobyl
Predictably, instead of being patient, he went about it like Gob Bluth trying to build the model home in two weeks, fooling investors by just building a facade that predictably collapsed due to poor craftsmanship.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
simile/metaphor overload
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You're the one make ad hominem attacks against people
who dare to criticize the conduct of a public figure—a multimillionaire professional athlete, to boot.
nah, you were a little out of line
It seems like you’re taking this shit a little too personally. Maybe just “woosah” when you and Rorschach start flirting like you two do.
I probably am sometimes
but it’s still not ad hom (at least that’s not my intent) and it’s definitely not out of hate.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Dude, he can inside my soul
obviously he’s entitled to say whatever he wants.
I'm going to do you a big favor
and not pull up a link to one of your foaming-at-the-mouth screeds against the big bad media where you insinuate that people who don’t like Melo are racists.
Unfounded accusations of racism
doesn’t get more ad hominem than that.
It’s truly pathetic that you would stoop so low to defend Carmelo Anthony against any and all critics.
There is plenty of latent racism among sportswriters.
Aging white men writing about young, successful black men from underprivileged backgrounds and a drastically different social culture? Oh sure, never a misunderstanding.
Tell me what you think about the phrase “playing the game the right way.”
I think the phrase can mean whatever you want it to mean
and can be racist or not depending on the context. There is nothing innately wrong with those words, however.
I am mostly objecting to the Rooster’s pulling of the race card when he runs out of actual arguments. I know defending literally every single thing Carmelo Anthony says or does, on or off the basketball court, must be exhausting, but there comes a time when you need to just step away from the keyboard rather than saying “racist!!” or whatever.
Most often, "playing the game the right way" is exclusive to white players.
It can mean any way you want, but the vast majority of the time, words like “playing the game the right way”, “unselfish”, and “high basketball IQ” are used for white players. You never hear of white players being called “studs” or “athletic freaks” or “raw” or “immature” or “head cases.”
Journalists are writers. Experienced writers know how to subtly convey their biases to the reader on purpose simply through word choice. We all have to be cognizant of that.
I believe that we all have the right to rip into Melo for what he does on the court, but when we start playing HURR DURR AMATEUR PSYCHOLOGIST and trying to read between the lines and make character judgments, we start to fling bullshit around.
by Doug Chu on Mar 27, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know what you're saying
Sportswriters, and really all fans of professional sports, should reserve the right to criticize legitimately stupid, selfish, immature or otherwise unprofessional things players do on or off the court without being subject to accusations of racism. We are all amateur basketball analysts, amateur psychologists and amateur media relations experts here. And he we all have different expectations for how players should conduct themselves, independent of their skin color or the circumstances of their upbringing.
Sorry, should have read
I know what you’re saying, but…
However, we have no right to assume our opinions are of any significance.
This applies to sportswriters too. A lot of beat reporters are terrible analysts. Not everyone is Alan Hahn. Berman and Isola are professional trolls – they write what their fanbase will either like or get outraged over.
Opinions are like assholes, they’re all full of shit, and everyone’s got one. My OPINIONZ 4 U are no more or less valid than your OPINIONZ 4 U. We can have our individual expectations on how players should act, but anyone who acts like his views are the most correct can go screw.
You have the right to criticize athletes, but don’t be surprised if there are people who disagree with your criticisms because they disagree with your idea of how athletes should behave.
Who said I was surprised?
Or that I object to a difference of opinion? I really just object to the ad hominem attacks. Although I also kind of object to being lectured on the nature of discourse from someone offering platitudes of the “opinions are like assholes” variety. Thanks guy, I’ll be sure to write that one down.
I wasn't speaking to you, I think you're OK.
I was speaking to “you” in a plural sense. I realize it may have sounded ambiguous.
Not at all unfounded
There’s a very racist undertone to much of the MSM’s coverage/analysis/opinion-peddling when it comes to Carmelo Anthony. Why wouldn’t there be? Racism sells. Any media higher-up will tell you that straight up. Just ask.
It’s unfortunate when you (w/o being racist) pick up on the same tropes originally founded with casually racist intentions. So yeah, I think Melo is a more complex person than he gets credit for, and I play devil’s advocate when I see shit regurgitated that began as racist bile ($$$) on Berman’s keyboard.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd dislike him more if the tabloid media shut the fuck up for a while
they make him into a caricature of himself (I think he’s really just an incompetent buffoon who does desperately wants to win) and I kinda feel bad for him. oh yeah I hope he sells the team tomorrow, but still. I don’t hate the guy. If he had a different dad he’d just play blues in dive bars full-time and the world would be a better place (outside of said dive bars)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What has he done to earn the priviledge
Has he started a childish beef on twitter with his former coach? Publicly bitched about his new coach’s defensive schemes on more than one occasion? Passively aggressively undermined the offensive system he was brought here to play in?
We are talking about the public relations expert who appeared in a video encouraging people not to report crimes to the police, and also publicly offered a cash ransom to the first person to slap a certain woman and film it. No, he would never ever do or say anything idioc or unprofessional…
We are talking about the public relations expert who appeared in a video encouraging people not to report crimes to the police
you’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
Once again, any one of those things can be looked at differently. You choose to wear the shit-tinted glasses because you genuinely hate the guy, like unhealthily hate him.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
You're really going to defend the Stop Snitching video?
Is there anything, anything he could say or do that you wouldn’t defend?
I like turtles
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Him hitting Collins was despicable, and he has a lot of growing to do as a person. I guess I just don’t see the part where I’m suppose to hate and criticize and all that bullshit.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
anyways, he was 100% right to encourage people not to talk to police
that’s probably an issue for another day, but yeah. 100% right.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Yeah I can't say I don't agree with it entirely, but he also did that waaaaay early into his career.
He’s mostly kept his Keepin It Real under wraps after that.
Trufax
Carmelo has never been gangsta. Dude went to boarding school, went to college, and has been in the NBA since he was 19. I’m sure he found plenty of time to run his own corner before all that gentrification happened. Just a dude trying to overcompensate for his own privileged status.
In a league where Grant Hill has to write a NYT rebuttal, I can understand the pressure to show he hasn't forgotten his Red Hook/B-more roots.
Not gonna lie, I’d do the same shit. Shane Battier’s as tough as they come and I’m sure people still think his swag is 1000x less than someone like Kenyon Martin.
I'd do that shit too.
Although I’d probably embarrass myself by engaging in some “Jenny From the Block” antics.
Grant Hill sent out his NYT piece after Jalen Rose apologized to him… he definitely used those comments as a springboard to talk about broader issues of race in basketball.
That's why Grant Hill's gangsta should never be questioned.
Amazing talent and an intellect to match. Jalen shouldn’t have waited til right before it aired to tweet that apology to him, but it is what it is. Can’t get mad at either of them since the timeframe of that obnoxious opinion Rose had was back in the day in his young adult times.
I just love Grant Hill. And Sprite.
interestingly enough, Kobe went through the exact same shit
especially during the “dark ages” between Shaq and Pau. There’s a reason they get along – Melo’s more introverted than Kobe but they’re really similar people with a lot in common (hopefully “rings” will be added to the list soon)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The game has moved onto more pressing matters
like whether our swag is currently turned on or off at this time.
Snitches get Stiches
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Rooster is definitely not the only one who considers you a hack
Lol
S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
S&BP - No Love cos the Raiders only break hearts, crush dreams, fracture parts.
P&T - That's what She-Will Said.
by Ozraider on Mar 27, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amar'e's turned into David Lee who doesn't rebound
and at least Lee on offense didn’t have tired legs. Or maybe he’s not tired, maybe he just doesn’t give a shit. Cuz I’ve seen him give a shit at times during this losing streak…doesn’t loot tired at all when he does.
Eh..whatever. I’m gonna go watch some Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford highlights
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
nah
he was played more then Amar’e.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"Not good on defense" is an understatement
At times he boxed out instead of guarding his man so he could grab more rebounds.
I tend to believe it's more of an injury issue than a tired issue with Amar'e
How can he be so drained while giving 50% effort on defense all the time
MSG is a public corporation...
theoretically it could be
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
Maybe if he drops dead.
Since the Knicks have a guaranteed revenue stream in the MSG network, the Dolans won’t sell even if the team itself loses money.
Anyone buying the Knicks is also buying MSG and the Rangers
MSG is a publicly held company. I’m not sure if they have different classes of stocks, but if they don’t, someone could do a hostile takeover.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Yeah...its one entity
Key word in my post was theoretically. Noone would because the company is making money, but its possible.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
he ain't going anywhere
and unfortunately what’s been done been done.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
erm
can someone say something to calm me down please?
sweet, subtle, floppy, oiled up titties
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
perky?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Amar'e is tired
He should play tomorrow then he should rest against the Nets
I hope he gets that technical
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You think D'Antoni has the balls to take someone out of the starting lineup?
I mean, something has to be done to light a fire. It’s gotten to the point where everyone is expecting a loss every game, no matter the opponent.
Fields, on the follow!
yea start balkman landry she-will, rmj-and d. brown
maybe then the “stars” will respond and play with a little heart
Height: Gallo>melo. 3pt shooting: gallo>melo. D:gallo>melo. HEART gallo>melo
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?
I'd bench em all
even Carmelo tho while he’s doing his own thing for the most part, he’s scoring which is what he does.
Fuck em all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd think that's what he should do.
And I’m not joking. Give Stoudemire, Bullups, and Melo the first half off tomorrow. They fucking deserve it. They’re too comfortable losing.
Fields, on the follow!
I wonder if anyone was crying in the locker..if they care enough
Height: Gallo>melo. 3pt shooting: gallo>melo. D:gallo>melo. HEART gallo>melo
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?
nah they went out to the club or played NBA 2K11 as themselves
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
u (want to be) mad
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
but I ain't
I’m as happy as a pig in shit
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
that’s why it’s so perverse.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
less preverse then being OK with this whole thing
and also lusting for Carmelo’s man juice.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
it's either his man juice, or his blood with you
I’ll sit this one out, if it’s gonna be like that
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
the duck was coming anyway.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What's up with that duck?
It came up last night in the thread and I still have no idea what it means. duck duck….goose? Huh?
usually it means "shut the fuck up" from Seth
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
oh look, a duck!
Takes attention away from stupid ass arguements/posts.
Like shiny things for babies
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Mar 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have no duck in this discussion
but perhaps this duck
will make everyone happy…
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LOL!!!
Til the very next day….
but it made you laugh a little bit right?
Please don’t ban me
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Tulo, CarGo, Ubaldo ,The Toddfather - oh my
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Lemonade Guy 4 Lyfe.
I want to introduce that duck to a nice little recipe my Chinese friend hit me up with the other day.
You, as an insult, accuse a man of being sexually attracted to another man.
That is a precise example of homophobic behavior.
Meanwhile, I have no idea if you are Jewish or Italian or Korean or Filipino or a Sikh. Mirroring what I say won’t get you anywhere.
pretty sure no one did that
but hey, pretty sure a lot of this thread has included interpreting things in your own way then yelling and screaming.
To each his own.
Or as Walter would say to Donnie, “you’re out of your element”
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No. You did.
less preverse then being OK with this whole thing
and also lusting for Carmelo’s man juice.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Mar 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So Rooster is “preverse”, since defending Melo is the same as being hungry for his sperm.
If you can’t see that, I’m done.
pretty sure a lot of this thread has included interpreting things in your own way then yelling and screaming.
To each his own.
be on with it then.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Nope
and I really don’t care.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I hope so to
and I’ll continue to not care.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Both of you should probably shut up
And talk about the Knicks. Or at least more pleasant and friendly things
by WSD on Mar 27, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOOHOOO +1
And to doug chu.
man juice of carmellaisnt homophobic. its just bull shit talk on a message board mayne.
see where “knicks losing” gets us? lol the sky is fucking falling!!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
It's a tweaking of phrase implying obsequiance more than any sexuality.
I guess you can accuse him of undertones, but it wasn’t really.
Sexual submission.
Oh god, he doesn’t even realize that it’s homophobic. He must not know any gay people in real life.
It is at least slightly homophobic
I mean no, it’s not an atrocious example, and it doesn’t come close to making Rorschach homophobic himself. but it reinforces the idea that lusting for a member of the same sex is a thing worthy of ridicule. (then again, you can argue that “pause” does the same thing. both are slight to large reaches.)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
for the record
I absolutely “pause” people
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
what about...
“that’s what she said?”
by Taylor Made on Mar 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lookin' good, Seth.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
guarentee melo took all the shots when he played as himself or was just waiting at the other side of the court when the knicks were on D, waiting to score
Height: Gallo>melo. 3pt shooting: gallo>melo. D:gallo>melo. HEART gallo>melo
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?
Here's what I don't like about melo
Just read this somewhere, he said “guys are talking about it in the locker room, we’re losing to teams we should be beating, teams that shouldn’t even be on the court with us”. That right there is why they’re losing…you can never take teams for granted like that. “Shouldn’t be on the court with us?” That’s insane to me, that NBA players could take other teams so lightly. You have to f-ing show up, every night, and respect your opponent.
by Jackaroe on Mar 27, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Confidence sucks!
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Confidence is one thing, cockiness at the expense of effort and showing up against the bad teams is another.
confidence and cockiness are often not mutually exclusive.
yet you draw such a harsh conclusion from a single locker room quote? please.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually agree with the off the bandwagon guys on this one. He shouldn’t disrespect his opponents that way, especially when they can’t beat anyone.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't take it as disrespect, just a recognization of the team's underachievement
basically, Melo agreeing with everything that gets posted here, then getting vilified for it. (of course, had he said the opposite, he’d have been criticized as well. and if he didn’t talk to the media, he’d get called a whiny bitch. it’s lose-lose-lose for Melo)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
not sure we're "overlooking" anyone
the quote doesn’t explicitly suggest that. the on-court results do, but they suggest a lot of other shit too
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
You think we're playing as hard as we can and we just need some intangible switch to *click* and we'll start rolling fools like this.
These flat first and second quarters suggest something different to me. It’s fine to disagree. Still not entirely sure what you’re basing your optimism on.
I've said more than once
that we’re not playing as hard as we can and that we need a lot of work. I just think time will cure these wounds and we’re too caught up in the present.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Why the hell should this team have confidence?
They’ve lost a stretch of basketball that should have us at least 5 or 6 games over .500 and instead we’re two below it! They’ve lost to a bunch of cellar dwellers and really the only (good) noteworthy thing they’ve done since the deadline is win 3 games in a row. They’ve lost 9 of 10 and have barely shown up in those last 10 games. When you hardly even compete, you don’t even deserve to be on the court with somebody.
Not blaming it all on Melo, but no one else ahs stuck their foot in their mouth during this thing. Context or no context, nobody else on the team has said anything that can be interpreted as badly as Melo
Melo has way more mics stuck in his face than, say, Shelden Williams
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay well
Billups, Stat, D’Antoni (though I think we’d be happy if he said something controversial and lit a fire under these guys), even like Fields or TD play big parts, they get interviewed too. Just sayin
maybe they have better PR people, or more natural savvy, or are just getting much luckier?
why do people read into player quotes at all? really, why? I want to know
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 28, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Same reason you listen to someone talk
They’re talking! True, they might say things they don’t mean or it may come out wrong, whatever. But still, you can give the most simple interview in the world. You don’t have to elaborate or say anything edgy, just give short, simple answers. It may be boring, but I guarantee it’ll keep you from saying anything dumb.
Players are coached to basically say nothing at interviews
They are encouraged to give bland, banal, safe, cliched answers, and are told not to be honest, express themselves, or give any real insight at those interviews. Which is definitely the right thing to do from the team’s standpoint, but it makes press conferences a tiring charade in which reporters ask questions designed to make the slightest crack in the PR shield, and anything that even resembles something interesting (when typed, not spoken, making the job easier) is twisted and manipulated.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
jesus…melo played well and people still are bitching about him? The only reason the game got close was b/c of him and he wasn’t even playing when the bobcats make their run. Give the dude a break, for christ’s sake. The whole team sucked and didn’t play defense, the 4th everyone was taking crappy shots and not rebounding Amare plays like crap he gets a pass b/c he’s “tired” …but here we love to single out Carmel as the one and only problem or something.
by lololol on Mar 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You are absolutely correct
When you spend all season sucking a guy’s dick it is not polite to spit when he leaves you with a mouth full of baby batter! Soooo Don’t the right thing swallow and ask for more!
by Robert Currence on Mar 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
aside from you
I’m not sure anyone said Carmelo’s a problem.
He said something stupid, so he’s getting what he deserves for it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
no said melo’s the problem? Dude everyone is quoting everything he says and making it seems he’s some kind of locker room cancer…They ain’t saying it directly but for the most part people implying he’s a problem in one way or another.
I know snark when I see it
saying “quote unquote system” is some bullshit. Get out of the guy’s prostate fluid already. He wasn’t exactly Tim Duncan in Denver anyway, must who don’t choose to ignore it know he is a diva type and yea, a cancer if he’s not put in his place.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If anyone knows snark around here, it's Rorschach.
There’s a reason that everyone on the Knuggets are saying how much more fun it is to play in Denver now that Melo’s gone. The roster’s happy. George Karl is happy. Not a coincidence, lololol.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Pssst.
That dude up yonder’s handle is lololol. No laughter from Thelonious.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly , i’m just sick of talking about Melo. Melo said this shit, Melo said that…It’s been dominating most of the thread. Man fuck that, we lost of other problems as well. Lets talk about those problems we had during the game and how it can be addressed in the future and etc. We didn’t lose because of melo’s comments after the game.
by lololol on Mar 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he was admittedly a massive distraction?
Yes, of course, everyone agrees with that.
If you use the words “diva” and “cancer” just tell me you’re a banal halfwit up front so I don’t have to find out the hard way. (not you, Thelonious)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Finding out the hard way
pause
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what's a massive distraction?
a diva and cancer. Now who’s the halfwit?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Or it could be annoyance at the reporter repeatedly using the word "system" in his question asking why he hasn't done more to fit himself into it.
It could easily go both ways, and I’m not gonna blow up everything he says as an indictment. Yet.
well he does have that history in Denver
and that it seems they’re having orgies amongst each other now that he’s gone shows that he wasn’t exactly a beloved figure. Maybe it was different once upon a time. Maybe he’s still got bad habits from that and just can’t flip the old personality switch?
maybe he needs some quality time with la la for a good 2 weeks? Maybe he doesn’t like making the reality TV show idea. maybe he just is this way? Maybe we fucked up? Maybe we didn’t?
All I know is that what dude said is cringe worthy.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Oh we fucked up by giving up so much.
But I’m not comfortable overlaying my own opinion on everything he says or does just yet. Dude hasn’t brought the victory party with him by any means, but I’m not ready to throw him outta the window. Yet.
did we really?
Denver doesn’t make the trade without Gallo or Fields. so what, Mozgov is the breaking point between “good deal” and “Dolan (not Walsh, DOLAN and ISIAH) got raped”? that seems a bit off.
sure, Felton, but believe me, that will be forgotten in like six months
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Then we don't make the trade
and what will be found out in 6 months.
Is it…is it…the CP3 and Oka…AAAAHAHAHAHAA. Please.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You're talking to a guy who wanted to trade the bare minimum and sign Melo in the summer, and if he took the money with NJ, then fuck him.
Yes we fucked up. Let’s not make this into some false binary choice of “Mozgov or Carmelo” like Isola would. We gave up 4 of our Top 6 guys, thus ruining our depth and taking away as many pluses as the trade brought in.
Dare I say, maybe more pluses than we brought in?
The trade obviously hurt short-term
Walsh admitted as much, as did MDA, as did Melo. That’s not the point, though. We weren’t contending this year. This trade is for next year and beyond, so we’re ideally at our strongest when Wade starts to break down.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Nobody expected either iteration of the team to contend this year.
We were looking at a window of maybe two-three years before we started calling ourselves legit in that sense. Now instead of continuing to make progress with one of the youngest, yet still talented, teams in the league we’re treading water hoping for chemistry and/or another big ticket name to put us over the hump.
Not a good look.
The only problem was that the pre trade team didn’t have the upside you seem to think it did. It would have gotten better, but it was never going to be capable of beating teams like Miami and Chicago. With all three players the Knicks traded to Denver going free agent after next year, the Knicks would have been faced with the dilemma of breaking the team up anyway, or capping out with a team not capable of winning a title. You couldn’t have done better than what they did, which was getting a player like Melo PLUS preserving cap space for 2012.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Chandler – 23, 4th year in the league
Gallo – 22, 3rd year in the league
Felton – 26, just entering his prime
Mozgov – 24, rookie
Fields – 22, rookie
Douglas – 25, 2nd year in the league
All surrounding a 28 year old Amare, with cap space in the next two summers to sign two max players, and if not, get at least a quality starting center along with two or three rotation players. Not to mention multiple draft picks.
I’m not saying the trade doomed us, though I’ve never been a fan, and I think eventually we’ll be good. I’m just dismissing the idea that the previous team had limited potential or upside. We legitimately could have bee competing for a championship in 2-3 years. Could be the same now, but then why make the trade to “win now”
Good breakdown, but...
Chandler is an RFA after this year; Gallo an RFA after next year.
Even when those guys were at their best I couldn’t see any scenario where the Knicks re-signed all of them.
There was no cap space to sign two max players
without giving up all of the above players. (seriously. Mozgov’s 2013 option would have been declined, Gallo would have been renounced due to his really high cap hold, Landry would have gotten a high offer elsewhere and without Bird rights we’d be handcuffed in matching it)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, no room to get an additional player like Okafor
or to sign one or more FAs with the MLE this offseason. both things are really significant. we’re trying to be better and deeper than the Heat.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
Didn’t know that about giving up on those guys. I’m far from an expert in terms of the financial dealings of teams.
However, if Chandler was an RFA, couldn’t we have matched any offer another team made, and wouldn’t count against our cap space? Same with Gallo? Could be wrong, but I was under the impression that’s how it works. Even if not, both those guys really wanted to be here. They loved the team and city. Neither wanted to get traded.
Even minus the max players, we could’ve realistically signed a legit center, i.e. Gasol, Nene, Chandler, Jordan, Dalembert, etc. and signed some more bench depth, either at the PF or 2-guard.
Basically we could have been the current Denver Knuggets, but with a legit go-to star in Amare, and more potential talent to develop
In other words
Better than the current Nuggets team. We could have been competing with Miami and Chicago every year
the current Nuggets are a .500 team on a hot streak
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 28, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
A month-long hot streak?
They’ve beaten some solid teams, I think it’s safe to say they’re pretty good, better than .500
Yes, as long as we didn't renounce their rights
Each player (RFA or UFA) has a cap hold, meaning retaining that player’s Bird rights or rights to match an offer (for RFAs) takes a chunk of money out of your salary cap. For Gallo, being a lotto pick, I think this chunk is like 8-10 mil. (I think Chandler’s is 2-3 mil, but any extension he signed here would count against our 2012 cap space.) Basically if we were to sign a max FA that summer, we’d have to renounce our Bird and RFA rights and would in effect lose Gallo. If we were to sign Gallo before signing the FA, we wouldn’t have enough cap room to sign the FA.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 28, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
RIP DJ Megatron
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Mar 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
The Andy and Landry Show: Ep. 2 - Speed Dating Pt. 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuEOHMulwPk&feature=feedu
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by #MoreAboutNothing on Mar 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
I love that that fat girl was such a bitch.
You need to at least have a nice personality if you’re not gonna look like the Miller Lite bartender, Moby.
We all know that the reason Landry couldn’t make eye contact with that girl wasn’t her voice.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hi Knicks fans
Don’t despair yet. I still think things will improve for your team. Don’t worry about what Melo says. He’s just trying to hold some confidence steady. Sometimes I wish he just wouldn’t answer questions, but then if he didn’t most people would say he was being a baby and pouting.
Hang in there.
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he looked so much better in denver
Height: Gallo>melo. 3pt shooting: gallo>melo. D:gallo>melo. HEART gallo>melo
the mets collapse, the giants collapse,now the knicks....what's in the water?
Thank you SD
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Mar 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Classy Nets fan. You must be awfully lonely.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm a Denver fan
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That explains it
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
Not sure about the weed matter..but Gallo and Mozgov are sporting new doos. I think they got a 2 for 1 discount at Melo’s barbershop he owns in LoDo (at least I think he still owns it)
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I miss them all too much.
I know Melo found a good connect already here. The way Chauncey’s been playing for us, I’m starting to think that was the biggest swindle of the deal Denver pulled on us. I’m still holding out hope he’ll play better but it looks like Denver fans, for all their sweat and bother about him being included in NJ talks, are glad he’s gone for a reason.
Shit.
They haven’t. There’s some rumors of a verbal commitment but nothing is signed.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ud let him go?
Who else is there?? Let him walk to miami and bring A game basketball after a he “breaks in” his new subwoofer and bangs down the block?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Mar 27, 2011 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I never wanted him here in the first place.
But since we’re stuck with him, I’m wondering what our options are. Hence the “hmmm”.
Even if he continues to play badly, that huge expiring contract will be a big asset next year. I don’t expect him to continue to play badly though. He was having a good year for Denver, and he looked great until he got hurt. I find it hard to believe he’s suddenly washed up.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mda needs to rally these guys.
Its as simple as that. He hasn’t lost the team until he hass tried to regroup them!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Mar 27, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i need a hug…
:(
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Man oh man, this thread is ugly.
Why must we fight?
by Seth on Mar 27, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maaaaan, this thread's so ugly
it could come right outta yo momma’s sweater
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
cuz the Knicks don't show any
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
because fighting ends up with mutual respect.
and that leads to wins of course!
: )
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'm just going through it now and was thinking the exact same thing.
This losing streak is affecting US too. Uh oh.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So, should everyone just Melo out?
/runs back to DS
Peace out
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That's enough, Mardy Collins.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Mar 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
awww
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He should be sent to the Gallos for that one
See what I did there? An even worse pun!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well played
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well your life must be miserable. im sorry you hate yourself. it might be better someday.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
uhhhhh what?
I’ve been supporting the Knicks..
this was a bit well….WTF
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I have a feeling that his comment was meant for someone else.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
meant for someone else.
my apologies SDcat.
no worries i hope.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Lie back and think of England...
Nix fans could use a little more stiff upper lip, less whining and infighting.
Sixers lose at home to Sacramento
Who do they think they are? Us?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Mar 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I want Melo to go back to his Stop Snitching days
Big Baby, Wilson Chandler, resign Hump if it's not exorbitant in cost -- and maintain flexibility for 2012. Nets fans are vastly overrating the importance of this upcoming off-season, in my estimation.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Holy cow. I'm just now reading the posts in this thread. Wow.
Big Baby, Wilson Chandler, resign Hump if it's not exorbitant in cost -- and maintain flexibility for 2012. Nets fans are vastly overrating the importance of this upcoming off-season, in my estimation.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
lol I know
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
don't get me started
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 27, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the players are the problem.
Pringles’ responsibility is to get his guys focused on the task at hand and to live up to their potential. I think it’s a legitimate criticism that Pringles doesn’t adapt his system to the players he has. If 7sorl isn’t right for Melo, then he should adapt it to Melo’s strengths or drop it altogether. At the end of the day, if it comes down to Pringles’ system or Melo, Pringles will be cut loosse. But he’s still not adjusting. That leaves me to believe either he’s too stubborn to adapt or he’s quite on the team.
Meanwhile, Donnie’s responsibility is to bring in the right group of guys. He gave up a lot in the Melo trade, and he’s now a lame duck, so he might have sealed his own fate unwittingly.
Big Baby, Wilson Chandler, resign Hump if it's not exorbitant in cost -- and maintain flexibility for 2012. Nets fans are vastly overrating the importance of this upcoming off-season, in my estimation.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Sorry for the typos
Basically what I’m saying is don’t blame the players. Sure, you would like to see Melo play with more of a “Stop Snitching” edge to his game, but the players are tired. It’s Pringles’ stubborness and Donnie’s overpaying for Melo which are to blame.
Big Baby, Wilson Chandler, resign Hump if it's not exorbitant in cost -- and maintain flexibility for 2012. Nets fans are vastly overrating the importance of this upcoming off-season, in my estimation.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Would you mind trimming your signature?
It is longer than most posts.
"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I cut down my sig a bit.
I feel I need to state my case for my brothers over at Nets Daily who feel it’s necessary to break the bank this offseason to appease Deron. I feel that would be a disaster. Looking at Detroit overpaying for Ben Gordon and Villaneueva. The point of this offseason is to get good value while retaining flexibility. I’ll be fine with a bottom playoff see next year. I’m not paranoid at all that Deron will leave. He knows that our plans are all about 2012 and getting Dwight, not shooting our load on broken downs like David West and Vince Carter as some over at Nets Daily think.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
BS.
The system was here first. Amar’e was here first. Amar’e’s game is SSoL, the system here suits him..anyone coming here has to adapt. It actually hasn’t been long enough to determine if anyone’s not gonna adapt, and also the main problem with it not adapting is the PG position, which either is too injured, too stubborn in their old habits or a bit of both right now.
Donnie’s responsibility was for 2 seasons to get rid of the bullshit. This offseason he FINALLY got players who fit. Then what he did was trade for a perceived superstar that he "needed " to get, based on who ever’s view or final say.
The priority now is to get players who fit. But until we get an NBA 5 or at least an NBA 4 so Amar’e can play the 5, Pringles gets no blame here, at least on an overall “Fire Pringles” level. He gets blame for the every day shit a coach should get blamed for, but in no way does that mean he should get fired.
This roster is waaaaaaaay beyond to flawed to expect anything out of.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Melo doesn't like Pringles' "quote unquote system"
He’s drawing a line in the sand. Pringles’ days are numbered, in my estimation, especially if he doesn’t attempt to appease Melo.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
he never said that nor drew a line in any sand.
re-calculate the estimation.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What does "quote unquote system" mean unless you're mocking the quote unquote "system"?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
he said he's not worried about him fitting into the system
what system was said question referring to? Was it referring to him fitting in with Prignles system? Was it him fitting in with the system of being a New York Knick? Was he saying he wasn’t worried about himself fitting in but some dufus like Jared Jeffries fitting in?
What is it? Could be any of the above.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
cb needs to adapt, well start playing pnr with a little more succes he,he not melo, he is fine.
BTW: for everybody, have anyone read what cb has dais about mikes offense and defense, please go and read them, before you comment again.
we need this line up on our next game.
G Burps
G TD / Carter
SF Fields / Poope
PF Melo / Amare
C Amare / Turiaf Jefries
thats starting five is our best starting five unfortunately.
In light of the title, the knicks need to start doing THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcEdIo-I0Dw
Voice of A Female Knicks Fan...
Geez - Strange Thread
MDA should probably go at the end of this season. Why has Shelden Williams sat on the bench. Oh yeah, he has no offense. Amar’e as a center does not work, never has. No, this mess belongs to MDA. Never a winner, never was. Actually, its definitely time for him to go.
Sheldon Williams sucks, that's why he's on the bench
and Pringles is not a winner? 90% of the coaches in the NBA have not won championships, doesn’t mean they all should be fired.
And the only 2 good coaches to win championships are Jackson and Popovich.
Pringles has been to multiple Western conference championships. That’s no champions, but its not exactly a pile of shit and it definitely deserves to have a good team first…one that doesn’t have people clamoring that Sheldon Williams should actually be playing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Rorsach, u have me fully aboard the Nash bandwagon.
I can’t watch him anymore without imagining what it would be like if he was a Knick right now.
He’s got a funky contract that pays him 6m (3m per) over 2 yrs after his deal is up after next season. By my math, he’s due 8m next season plus the 6m to be paid over the two subsequent years. Which equals 14m total. Exactly what Billups is owed next year if we pick up his option.
Maybe Phoenix would rather pay the whole 14m next season and be free of the burden rather than spreading 6m of it out over 2 yrs without having the player on the court to show for it. They might also be sympathetic for Nash’s title aspirations. And Nash probably won’t object bc he’s familiar with the system and Amare, and I think he lives in NY anyway.
Is this really possible?
by Crackback on Mar 28, 2011 12:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In a world without Paul, somehow getting Nash and Gortat would be dreamy.
We’d probably get it done, too, if we took on the bad contract of Childress. That could be enough to insist on the inclusion of Gortat.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Mar 28, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If we could squeeze in Gortat it would be perfect. And it doesn’t rule out Paul since Nash’s deal is up after next season.
I’ve always liked Nash, but what he’s doing with the garbage he has around him right now is just amazing. Amare would be thrilled to work with him again, he’d do wonders for getting TD up to the next level, Melo would never have as many open looks as he would with Nash. Somehow swindling a legit big body like Gortat would put us immediately into serious contention.
by Crackback on Mar 28, 2011 12:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Getting Gortat would be hard as hell
Especially seeing as we have very few draft picks. I feel like if we went for Nash and Gortat, they’d include a bad contract like Childress and we’d have to give up youth. Gortat and Nash are their two best players and their third, Grant Hill, is 38. They’re trying to get young over there. So we’d probably have to send Fields and TD along with maybe Extra E and Turiaf or possibly Jerome James’ rights, just to fill a big man void over there
So in other words
I’d take Nash, hell maybe even Childress, he might be nice in our wing rotation, but leave out Gortat, cause the price would be too high
Well the world most likely doesn't have Paul
at least the real world.
Nash is too good to pass up. I dunno what the trade would be for Nash, but even if they forced Childress back here its not like he couldn’t be flipped in the future for Paul.
Nash is an expiring in 2012.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
New Orleans wouldn't want Childress
no way, no how
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
its not like we have anything they want to begin with
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yes we do
expiring contracts (to replace Okafor’s horrible long-term contract)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Why is it
That the Phoenix Sun’s defensive mediocrity and it’s role in preventing them from winning a championship is always blamed on D’antoni the coach and never blamed on Nash the point guard that everyone knows isn’t a defender.
When your team’s alpha dog doesn’t care about defense, the team isn’t going to win a championship no matter who is coaching them.
It’s like everyone just ignores the elephant in the room. System this, system that. Teams with offensive leaders that don’t walk the walk and talk the talk on defense don’t. win. championships.
Gulp
When your team’s alpha dog doesn’t care about defense, the team isn’t going to win a championship no matter who is coaching them.
Ruh roh…
For the record, this statement made sense before the trade as well.
Nash doesn’t have defensive ability, though, which is the real problem. Even if he tried, he’d still fail.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
The NoDantoni show
From now on, I am proposing the NoDantoni show i.e a somehow technical review of post game recaps:
Game Knicks/Celtics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
0.34: Sean not watching the ball on D… easy lobe he can’t defend
1.00 Amare is behind Garnett when the paint is fully open. What is the 3 doesn’t fall?
1.08: No one is on the high post to protect transitions
1.21: Landry is late leaving Pierce wide open
1.50: Billups shoots and Amare backs out of the paint to at least try to get offensive rebound
2.01: Billups is way too far from Pierce which looks like it is a miscommunication with Amare
2.09: Melo should back out from the crowded paint to trigger an assist from Amare
2.13: In transition, again Landry is late
2.20: Landry and Melo are not covering high post in transition again!!
2.35: Little Rondo drives alone in the paint, Landry is on him, gets ready to block and both Williams and Amare do the same (why? it is only Rondo) leaving big baby alone for an assist.
Note: None of the recaps that I am putting in are showing knicks players raise their hands in D… At least raise your hands (again fundamental basket ball)
The NoDantoni show Knicks/Bobcats
Amare is my man. I actually bought his jersey for my 4 yrs old daughter and she loves him. Unfortunately, he hasn’t been himself lately to say the least. I am shocked by his recent lack of fearness on both ends of the court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZozGkbkSrs
Look at Amare’s body language at 0.16 and 2.07.
0.16 he gets out of the way no even trying to get the charge.
2.07 he looks at the ball and forgets about his man instead of keeping his man outside… simple fundamental basket ball
Again, no hands up!!! simple rule in basketball
the knicks/celtics game was even more on point
We saw some of those things in the past but not to that extent.
It is unclear to me if I should get worried about real lack of effort and willingness or if it is just a matter of proper coaching and cohesion…
we need a pass-first PG
neither Billups nor TD are such. They’re both more combo guards. We need a Steve Nash/CP3 style point. Not saying we NEED one of those two guys, just someone in that mold.
Somoene I think would be a decent point for the Knicks who could come cheap? Luke Ridnour. Maybe that’s just my Sonics nostaliga, though.
by Taylor Made on Mar 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
or we can use melo at point and td, cb as shooters. look at orlando game, melo played great playing point forward and he can only improve.
Not saying that we shouldnt go after another pg, but someone like luke wouldnt cut it and we dont have much room to operate, cause more importantly we need size.
I like Melo at the point
for his assists role and more engaged role in passing the ball…
But on D I want to see TD stick to the opponent PG…
Also, before we spend more $ on another PG, I would rather spend $ on a Tyson Chandler or Mark Gasol kind of C
The heats start Lebum at Pg and look at his assists average.
LeBron has always been a high assist guy
Melo can pass and I do like the look of him initiating the offense. But he’s not a defensive leader and he’s not the kind of guy to pump guys up and keep them going and focused when they get down.
Billups is probably still hurt, and besides, he only really knows Melo. So he’s not in a great position to lead this team.
TD is a good defensive leader by example and has some good offensive skills. But I think he’s afraid or unable to make the difficult pass.
There is no point guard solution on this roster. Who has authority out there on the floor? No one. It’s difficult to see this issue resolving this season, but I’m hoping.
so what about
a situation where TD starts at PG (assuming we don’t pick up Billups) and brings the ball up, but we run the offense through Melo?
I kind of like that idea, but I could also see it leading to a lot of Melo not seeing anyone open so just chucking up shots. Of course, if guys know Melo isn’t looking exclusively for his own shot, they might actually move without the ball.
Interesting quandary, indeed.
by Taylor Made on Mar 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
pg doesnt need to be defensive leader and its not even close.
Pgs needs to make plays, lets not overidolize the position please, magic and nash are terrible defensive players and that doesnt tell shit regarding their playmakin. Role of pg in dantoni system is simple to execute pnr and melo has proved, that he is three time better at that than everybody on this team. Dont let your melo hate glasses fool you.
You make it sound like Nash didn't play defense
because D’antoni told him not to!
I’m not Melo hatin’ at all – I just don’t think he’s quite the right personality to be a point guard. Hoping he proves me wrong – that would be great!
Since this thread is full of BS.
I’d like to share what lineup is working for me in 2k.
billups/td
melo/mason
d brown
amare
turiaf
And whats hilarious (to me) is i play like the real life guys. Jacking fast break 3’s( billups) iso on the wing (melo) pick n roll layups (turiaf) and the surprise is d brown, he’s a pretty good finisher in the virtual world
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
he's a pretty good finisher in the real world too
not that any of us would know
by Taylor Made on Mar 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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