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Knicks 107, Hornets 88: "We needed a feel good win."

We needed that. it took some reflection to realize, but we hadn't really gotten to relax since the All-Star break. Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Bilups were in uniform just days after joining the team, and each game with the new guys had been a close battle. We, and the Knicks no doubt, needed a relatively stress-free evening, and the Hornets were more than happy to oblige (as they were earlier this season, oddly enough). Chris Paul and company brought their month-long doldrums to Madison Square Garden, putting up minimal resistance and folding pretty early in the evening. (Spill some Yoo-hoo out for Hornets fans. They're in a bad way.)

Meanwhile, a whole gaggle of Knicks broke out of their slumps. Toney Douglas, starting in place of the injured Chauncey Billups, shook free of his shooting woes at the absolute perfect moment. He did what Toney Douglas do on rapid jolts to the rim and deep pull-up jumpers off screens, all with remarkable efficiency. Toney's 24-point outing wasn't the only slumpbuster, though. Shawne Williams's four downtown poops eclipsed his February-long constipation. Landry Fields finally got a bit of a rhythm in the second half. Even Roger Mason Jr., he of the single made field goal this season, arose from the bench amid cheers and buried both of his jumpers.

Pretty much everything else went swimmingly. Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire each had moments of brilliance, including some that overlapped. As a whole, this new squad finally shot well and, above all else, finally got a chance to cruise through the final minutes. It felt good for all parties not wearing Mardi Gras gold, and as sadderbudweiser said in the postgame thread, we all really needed that.

I have very few notes beyond the above (tonight was pleasant almost to the point of being dull). They can be found after the jump.

Star-divide

- I should probably have some insight into the way Toney Douglas works by now, but I really don't. I don't know what separates his 10-13 line tonight from his 3-21 shooting in the three previous games besides shots going in vs. not doing that. Perhaps Toney's inside opportunities got the blood flowing for his outside form. Perhaps he finds better looks with the first unit. Perhaps he's just a streak shooter. If you have any ideas, share them in the comments. All I know is I like WTDD on this particular night.

- It was great to see Landry and Shawne hit some shots as well. Landry's improvement was subtler; he just connected on a few of the shots he'd been overcooking previously. Extra E, though, experienced a full-fledged poop explosion, draining all four of his threes in the second half. Wonderful things.

- After all the "We want Melo" chanting a few weeks ago, it was reassuring to see fans at the Garden show some appreciation for their own, and not just the starters. Jared Jeffries, who pulled down four offensive rebounds in his Knick renaissance, got a nice "Ja-red Jeff-ries" chant from the crowd. Once things had gotten hand, some fans put together a "Ro-ger Ma-son" chant, and the classy vet responded with two delightful jumpers. The whole event made me very happy for Roger and mankind as a whole.

- "Back like Jeffries, wearin' the 9" is going to be a rap lyric someday, right?

- Stoudemire and Anthony made a few nice connections, particularly in transition or off Melo curls, but ran plenty of isolation as well. Amar'e's jumper was right and he made countless plays for himself and others from the elbows. Melo sank some J's, but was most impressive on his drives to the rim, alternating finesse finishes with rugged scores through contact. Business as usual, really.

- Six different players pulled down at least four rebounds. Five different players through at least four assists. Amar'e, Melo, and Toney did both.

- One of the unlikely rebound leaders (he was tied with Stoudemire for a team-leading seven, actually) was Anthony Carter. Carter burrowed in between the big men for those boards, and also pestered the New Orleans backcourt into a handful of turnovers. Meanwhile, Mike Breen informed us that Carter had once dropped out of high school and become a playground hustler in Atlanta. Then some folks from the I Have a Dream Foundation took up his cause and helped him get into junior college, setting in motion a career that took him to the University of Hawaii, the NBA, and eventually here in front of us, snatching rebounds away from David West. Excellent game, excellent story. Again, it was an evening of good feelings.

- Every active player got to spin, which meant Shelden Williams (who did very little) and Derrick Brown (who fouled two people and had a few promising drives stopped by whistles) both got to see the court.

- I don't know why Jarrett Jack and his peanut head always kill the Knicks, but switching big men onto him and giving him room to shoot did not stifle that trend. He was kind of the only 'Net to play well, though Quincy Pondexter's one-handed sweet potato on Jared and Amar'e deserves recognition.

I meannnn...that's pretty much it, babies. I'm very proud of my Knicks, very sorry for Hornets fans, and very ready to sleep on these positive vibes. Good night!

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happy birthday you old seadog

Most Definitely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU

by Ray Smuckles on Mar 3, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

22 huh? I think Reagan was still President when I turned 22. Enjoy it. Cheers!

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Reagan was still president when I was born, which is more than we can say about Seth right? Happy birthday, thanks for all your hard work here.

by superturboultra on Mar 3, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I put in a little more thought...

and George H.W. Bush was actually President when I turned 22 but only a year and a half or so into his term.

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

HAPPY BDAY!

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Mar 3, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy birthday dogg

"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."

by Joamiq on Mar 3, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

great recap

I have been wondering about TD as well because in some games he is unstoppable and then goes missing for a while. I know he was playing injured before so I don’t if he is back to 100% and maybe that could explain why he had his 2nd +20 game since last week. I know he is still young and is improving. He started playing really well toward the end of last season and I am glad we kept him because he is special. I have also noticed that he seems to have better games at home as opposed to playing elsewhere. His shots just seem to go down more at MSG for some reason. It was nice to see him explode and be aggressive on both sides of the court. If he can play like this in every few games, we will be too dangerous.

Extra E got his touch back and I was glad to see that. I think he was just having a little slump and can’t really blame any of the guys with what has been going on the last week or so. Everyone played well tonight and even JJ was impressive. He is very helpful and could make life easier for E so that he can focus on shooting more while JJ plays the Centers more minutes. It was nice to have one of these types of games where the stars can just chill while the bench keep the lead up. Good recap and great win!

by RASHADI on Mar 3, 2011 5:48 AM EST reply actions  

Great performance

Good to see CP3 has started his NYC career one game early although someone should inform him that Burp has stolen our hearts. Poope had some explosive diarrhea which is good to see. TDWDD was awesome and I think Seth’s point about getting better looks with the first team is a good one although I thought he had some pretty good looks in the other games as well he just looked like he was more aggressive and had that killer instinct tonight. JJ looks like he will be a fantastic pickup, OG CAHTAH is ballin.

All in all it was great for us to have an ‘easy’ game where we could really build some chemistry and if we can get consistent production from our bench we will push anyone.

P&T - Screw D-Will we got She-Will

Miami Heat, that's nothin' Carmelo with the shot and Stat Dunkin'

I didn’t ask, I just told Billy Walker to switch off. I told him I’ll get [James] the last seven, seven and a half minutes or so. I just wanted to take that challenge, and it helped us out - Carmelo Anthony

by Ozraider on Mar 3, 2011 5:57 AM EST reply actions  

Cartah is my boy.

I remember him from the old Heat team. He’s still playing good and great defender. I love how he pushes the ball and a guy like that will really come in handy come playoff time. Him and TD on the floor together is nice too. CB will be getting a good break while AC and TD do their thing together with the second unit. Will be nice.

by RASHADI on Mar 3, 2011 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I really like our PG situation in general right now

This trade is looking better and better each game. Hopefully She-will, She-Will rock us as well.

P&T - Screw D-Will we got She-Will

Miami Heat, that's nothin' Carmelo with the shot and Stat Dunkin'

I didn’t ask, I just told Billy Walker to switch off. I told him I’ll get [James] the last seven, seven and a half minutes or so. I just wanted to take that challenge, and it helped us out - Carmelo Anthony

by Ozraider on Mar 3, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Projected over 48 minutes

She-will would have 20 rebounds, 20 assists, and be shooting 0-20 from the floor, based on his work in 2:46 last night. Just work on the shot selection and you’re golden, She-Will!

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm convinced

where do i sign

P&T - Screw D-Will we got She-Will

Miami Heat, that's nothin' Carmelo with the shot and Stat Dunkin'

I didn’t ask, I just told Billy Walker to switch off. I told him I’ll get [James] the last seven, seven and a half minutes or so. I just wanted to take that challenge, and it helped us out - Carmelo Anthony

by Ozraider on Mar 3, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yes i kept worrying the refs would call him for traveling!

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get. - H.S.

by Mase in Your Face! on Mar 3, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

never

AC is in with all those guys

by KnickChick on Mar 3, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, and i remember him getting called for that when he fist came up

with the bucks? forgot what team he broke in with

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get. - H.S.

by Mase in Your Face! on Mar 3, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

MIAMI

He killed us a couple times and then I forgot about him. Then one time he hit a shot over the backboard to win a game against us, which at the time should have been an out-of-bounds call, due to the shaky distribution of shot clocks throughout the league at the time, but the next day David Stern put on his best shit-eating grin and announced to the media that he wasn’t going to change the call, because he obviously hates New York, which also reminds me that life’s not fair, and soon all our dead bodies will be sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

by superturboultra on Mar 3, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He left Miami when Bill Duffy's people failed to file routine paperwork on his rookie deal;

the salary opened up by that let Pat Riley make a bid for Odom, if memory serves.

Anthony Carter’s also the source of one of the best player remarks about Kevin McHale as coach:

“He was trying to draw plays, and it was like a little Etch A Sketch. Like a kid just messing around.”

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Mar 3, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

MDA is substituting more, and starting to develop a pattern. The second unit is the hustle-defense unit, and he likes to have Stat out there with them so they have at least one scorer. On nights when Douglas and Williams are hitting their shots, the second unit can be as deadly as the starters.

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???

by rxmeister on Mar 3, 2011 6:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Happy birthday?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.

by bm01bath on Mar 3, 2011 7:01 AM EST reply actions  

NOLA is heading in the wrong direction

I either dunno what the hell is wrong or I dunno how the hell they’ve been as good as they’ve been all season. CP3 does seem to really disappear tho. Its probably his injury (and he did get hurt in this one I remember him limping back to the sideline during a TO).

I wanted to see the Knicks shoot a little better and they responded with an absolute diarrhea fest. TD and Poop filled the cup like 2 girls with one.

We got an interesting stretch of games here the next 2-3 weeks. We got a few playoff teams, but not contenders in MEmphis and ATL. Then of course Dallas on Thursday. But the rest of the games are really all against the Pacers and Bobcats of the world.

Not saying we will or have to go undefeated against the shit teams, but if we’re planning on making a real run, its most definitely possible.

Be nice to get some payback against Cleveland.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 3, 2011 7:26 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

most definitely

Most Definitely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU

by Ray Smuckles on Mar 3, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Brilliant and disgusting in one literary wrapper ;-)
I wanted to see the Knicks shoot a little better and they responded with an absolute diarrhea fest. TD and Poop filled the cup like 2 girls with one.

by UK Knick on Mar 3, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The two girls reference was a little too gross to rec

But I’ll give you a gaggy fist-bump. That’s as good as it’s getting. mrrrphhh.

by RobDiablo44 on Mar 3, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

SOMEONE needs to formally recognize genius.

by superturboultra on Mar 3, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to the game Friday

And I’d LOVE to see some payback against the Cavs. I’m praying they don’t come out flat again.

by RobDiablo44 on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yo Seth, Happy Birthday!

Congratulations on having a birthday so close to the Don’s. That’s going to result in even more good feelings.

I’m really really happy for Mason Jr. I just haven’t been able to hate him like most other Knicks fans. I’ve been incredibly disappointed by him, and frustrated by him, but all I could ever feel for him was deep deep pity.

I’ve heard that he remains one of the hardest workers in practice, that he stays game ready, and it’s tough because we all know that he can really shoot (we saw it in San Antonio and Washington). It’s been a tragic year for him.

The Knicks are back.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Mar 3, 2011 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Just plain old fun

It was enjoyable to watch, in a calm laid-back kinda way, and that hasn’t happened in a while.

Did you guys see the D’Antoni post-game interview? He cam about as close as he can to saying TD DWTDD without just coming out an saying it. It was great. He clearly reads P&T.

I love the M’D’A asked Roger Mason if he wanted to go in after all the chanting, and Roger was like “heck yeah”. And then canned those 3’s and pointed to the fans that were cheering for him. Awesome.

Happy Birthday Seth!

by Adam NYC on Mar 3, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

some Melo haters say he doesnt make others around him better... BS

He’s droppin dimes in every game. Guys are getting wide open looks. And STAT never had so many easy one-on-ones.

Dividends are accumulating.

by Crackback on Mar 3, 2011 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not a hater

but he just not. He is a A LOT of things but making teammate better is not him. Same as leBron, he is not making his teammate better.

by newknicks.com on Mar 3, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

he had 4 dimes

what more do you really want?

Lebron doesn’t make his teammates better? false.

by spreeballin on Mar 3, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

your false is false

james jones is the best 3 point specialist in the league. and even though lebron doesn’t draw the amount of attention it takes to get james jones open- there is no one in the league that could make the amount of open/contested jumpers from the weak side as james jones. james jones is making that team go.

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by stingy d on Mar 3, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Then why did the Cavs fall off a cliff??? Cmon son.

by Crackback on Mar 3, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

was james jones on the cavs?!!

chill b

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by stingy d on Mar 3, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

yeesh

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 3, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

mostly lebron

But the cavs also lost their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best players, and their coach. And they have been depressed all season.

by mindfeck on Mar 3, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

james jones is making that team go?

not that lebron or that wade dude you’re right. james jones is the truth and the light.

lol

by spreeballin on Mar 3, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

derrr

why is it that hard for people to understand?

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by stingy d on Mar 3, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Because

It’s obvious that Jamaal Magloire is the horse driving that team.

by superturboultra on Mar 3, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow..

Have you ever played basketball??? It’s plain to see how Melo and Lebron make their teammates better in their own ways. Same with Kobe. Doesn’t mean they’ll win 10 championships but please 7 straight playoff appearances for Melo, and Lebron, won’t even get into that. I won’t even go into explanation but theres a reason these guys are highly touted.

by Shane Pugh on Mar 3, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Lebron doesn't make his teammates better?

tell that to the worst team in the NBA, the Cavs.

Also Carmelo’s been distributing very well here. Assists can plenty of times not mean shit since it requires another person to fill their part of the deal, which they many times do not (If they do it 50% of the time, they’re great).

He doesn’t make his teammates better in the sense of Lebron, but he will make his teammates better. Everyone just needs to work together at it and every single sign is pointing to that happening.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 3, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Without Melo

RMJ was 1 for 16

With Melo RMJ is 2 for 2

done

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Mar 4, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, as per the recon... Rohan was right on
Rough times in Hornets land, fueled in large part by the guy that might end up in a Knicks uniform next year; let me put it this way: I put the odds at 50-50 that Toney Douglas outplays Chris Paul tonight. For serious. All right, gotta run Toasties, this was real.

I liked how the Knicks took control of this one and didn’t play down to the competition. It was kinda clear that the Hornets were really suffering and surely seeing an essentially bored Chris Paul just sort of making time pass is probably dragging down the team moral. He still flashed some perfect passes that led to easy buckets just to remind everyone that he CAN flip a switch whenever he feels. But he isn’t really looking for his shot at all. People will call it a slump and whatnot, but watching him play gives off the impression that he is just playing the games to bide his time for FApalooza 2012 and staying quiet. He saw how batshit crazy the sports world went when he tested the waters over the summer. Doubt he wants that mess again.

But back to the Knicks! Excellent defense and even though we lost to Orlando, the last 3 games have been chock full of good defense (yes the Knicks were good defensively for 3 quarters in Orlando). I’m very encouraged by this and I beleive the offensive efficiency will work itself out as guys break slumps and Melo gets over his seeming desire to instantly prove his worth to NY by shooting as many shots as he can.

Now we finally may have the confidence to beat the Cavs!!!!!!!!!!!

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 3, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

To be fair to Melo

Him and Amare shot 18 and 19 yesterday respectively. I think that was the first game where he let the offense come to him instead of forcing it. And we were much better for it. If Amare and Melo shoot roughly the same amount of shots, it means we are running the offense how MDA wants.

Also, anyone catch Al Trautwig talking about how 7SoL is practically dead now? The Knicks are looking like more of a half court team, which bodes well for the playoffs. I feel like that deserves more attention, considering lots o people think MDA isnt great at altering his system.

The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.

by JerzeeBalla on Mar 3, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Mike D even said as much (I will see if I can find the quote)

Maybe Mike D just didnt see the value in changing his system for the Larry Hughes’ of the world. He knows what he has here, and I am sure that he doesnt want to let this group get into the hands of someone else.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Mar 3, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy Bday Seth!

and you forgot clyde saying trevor arizer!

Gang green nation!

lets go get a goddamn snack!

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Mar 3, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

If they can play like that every night...

I’ll be very happy.

Loving this new look lineup even without Chauncey

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

My theory on Toney

I think it’s actually pretty simple – when the guy starts out cold, his shot selection gets weird. I’ve been thinking for a while that coach needs to tell him to look for his shot and keep shooting no matter what.. Last night he started 4-4 and ended up 10-13. He could end up 10-13 missing his first three shots too, but he’d be more likely to end up 1-6.

As for Chris Paul, man, I am starting to have a feeling that, for all his skills, something about his emotional makeup is less than ideal for a point guard. Not to the extent of Marbury, but along those lines. Coming off a bad loss to Toronto, you’d think the guy would be pushing himself and his team to respond with a good effort, and not to take anything away from the Knicks, but it seems like the supposed best point guard in the league should have made that game closer.

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

I agree on Chris Paul...

I mean he was barely there last night. It most interesting because the Hornets have shown that they can win for stretches this season. I just get the feeling that he absolutely doesn’t give a shit. Regardless of skills I’m not sure thats the kind of guy you want running your offense. I mean look at Chauncey or Raymond, I don’t think you would ever see either of those guys phone it in like Chris Paul did last night!

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Wouldn’t the Hornets have done better with Felton at the point last night? I mean, skills and injuries aside, it’s a pride thing.

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Wth Felton

they wouldn’t be headed to the playoffs right now.

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason the Hornets are where they are is CP3

He’s the sole reason that this is a playoff team. And he’s been doing it on one leg. At this point I think he’s just hurting and tired of carrying the team. That start they got off too was all Chris Paul. He’s also in the midst of changing his game to suit his life as a one legged PG. I mean, he still got 10 assists last night, but I feel like at this point he’s been beaten down.

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting to re-consider whether CP3 would be a good option for us

possibly crocked

P&T - Screw D-Will we got She-Will

Miami Heat, that's nothin' Carmelo with the shot and Stat Dunkin'

I didn’t ask, I just told Billy Walker to switch off. I told him I’ll get [James] the last seven, seven and a half minutes or so. I just wanted to take that challenge, and it helped us out - Carmelo Anthony

by Ozraider on Mar 3, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

his next best player is garbaggio

he has to play the best game of his life every night for that team to make real noise. if they make the playoffs, the real chris paul will show his self.

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by stingy d on Mar 3, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

That's not a winning mentality.

Regardless of who’s around you, play like your the best player on the team and at least act like you care. Felt like there was a real vacuum of leadership in the Mardi Gras Gold.

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Paul is still recovering from last year's knee injury

note the brace he was wearing. Why play hurt and risk aggravating an injury for a lost cause?

by Doug Chu on Mar 3, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

AGREED

it usually takes a couple years to fully recover from those kinds of surgeries, and he’s throwing up double-digit dimes with no help. the hornets just aren’t as good as their record. it’s not the lack of a winning mentality. just a shit team.

by tak4prez on Mar 3, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't know bout the injury excuse

He looked pretty amazing in tha All-Star game

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get. - H.S.

by Mase in Your Face! on Mar 3, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Look at the team around him

Aside from Chris Paul, NO has no one. The fact that that team is at all a contender in the West is due to Paul’s genius, and tremendous coaching. But it has to be a severe mental strain trying to do that every night. It’s just too much to try to do.

Put him on a team with the talent the Knicks have, and he would be amazing every night.

by jimjoyce25 on Mar 3, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

he does come across as a petulant child sometimes

and I’ve heard he usually likes to be the “third wheel” when he’s with his boys like LeBalls and Melo.

I dunno…maybe dude’s just frustrated? And hurt? And playing on a team where he’s the PG and the players he’s dishing off to are all off?

I mean they got 35 wins. Sure they’re slumping but that only shows that they were really good at one point.

He’s not a scorer (tho he can). There’s really only so much you can do to your teammates to make them make shots. He’s the best PG in the league. But he’s not the best SCORING PG in the league..I’d say Deron Williams is that. Shit, Chauncey is a much better scoring PG then Paul. The dude’s just not gonna take over a game if his teammates aren’t helping him out.

I mean if we’re translating that to the Knicks. We got Mare and Melo. I dunno about you but whenever our PG actually decides that a PnR is there and we can run it, Amar’e still catches that PnR pass like he invented the shit. CP3 can do that too as good as any.

That CP3 is a distributor first and as far as his personality, seems to be perfectly OK with being a third wheel…doesnt’ that sound like a good fit?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 3, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's not assertive then no

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Mar 3, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

TONEY DOUGLAS!!! ARGH!!!! *shakes fist*

as a denizen of North Carolina and a follower of ACC ball, i have had a deep affinity with Pretty Toney since his FSU days when he almost won ACC POY. i was stoked when the knicks got him, but his inconsistency is killing me.

i think it’s a form thing for him, but i’m just guessing. i was ready to write him off but i would love to see him get that shot down and become a legit guard night in and night out for us

by spreeballin on Mar 3, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

RMJ

So what to make of RMJ’s competence in garbage time? Not saying at all that he should be a regular member of the rotation based on 5 minutes, but he looked good – his second shot, in particular, was damn impressive. Seems to me that he’d at least warrant some PT in games when we really need to stretch the defense to open up the middle and/or when Shawne Williams and others are struggling from behind the arc.

by dontstopbelieving on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

agreed

but if RMJ does get some playing time in the near future, the only person i can see it hurting would be Bully

by MHEV35 on Mar 3, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he looked good...

Maybe some minutes in his future. It’s got to be hard to sit on that bench every night, all season.

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he's earned a rotation spot in 5 minutes, but...

I think he earned a chance to earn a rotation spot. Throw him in for a few minutes each game, see if his shot’s back. If it is, he’s a rotation player.

If he was a rook, I’d say 5 minutes in garbage time is meaningless, but he’s a vet and has a track record of being able to shoot. If he’s got his shot back that will be very very useful to us (especially on nights when Extra E has trouble pooping). If we can send Amar’e and Melo inside and then have RMJ and and Extra E ready to poop on the corners suddenly our offense becomes even more deadly. All we’d be missing in the playoffs is a legit starting center.

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Just quickly...

Let’s hear it for our Knuggets, +40 over Charlotte without Gallo. Wil led the team with 16 and Mozzie got some minutes and 6 points.

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I doubt it

Remember, the Cavs started the year by beating the Celtics. I think the relief of the trade finally being over has boosted this team, but I don’t think they’ll keep this pace forever. Granted they won’t fall as hard as the Cavs Will the Thrill, Mozzie, and Gallo are all superior to anyone the Cavs had, but there will be some regression to the mean eventually.

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

DWTDD on NBA TV

All those acronyms lead to television gold. Most definitely:

I hope I got that link function right. Toney Douglas explains how to “do the win.”

by TimEnchant on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

pause

/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \

by stingy d on Mar 3, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

way to thrust that in there

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Mar 3, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice follow through on the thrust

II

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Mar 4, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Nice article in the Times about Toney and Chauncey. I almost shed a tear!

Here

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

At least Paul's not blaming anybody else...

"We’re not playing with a lot of confidence, especially myself," Paul said, "and it puts us in a tough situation night in and night out. We’re not playing the way we can and it’s not a good thing."

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

OK so...

Can we stop acting like we’re terrible without Billups now?? Relax.. Don’t forget Chauncey is one of the best mentors in the game. I have a good feelin’ that Toney is going to grow a whole lot the rest of the season.

by Shane Pugh on Mar 3, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Seeing how Chauncey is taking Toney under his wing is filling me with gladness. I think Felton will eventually develop the experience to be a great leader of a great team, and I was against this part of the trade. But the idea of Chauncey getting through to Toney and getting him to the next level makes me think of the trade in an entirely different way.

Even sitting on the bench, Chauncey did what he could to help us win this game.

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

We're not terrible without Burps, but...

I’m not sure I’d feel so confident with him out on the road. I love DWTDD, but he’s been up and down all season and seems to perform best at home. We knda lucked out that Chauncey is missing two home games.

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lol if you look at cp3 in the background he looks like he thinking damn dwtdd is dwtdd again

Gang green nation!

lets go get a goddamn snack!

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Mar 3, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Jared Jeffries on hearing the chants

“They used to yell for me to get off the court,” said Jeffries, a Knick from 2006-10.

Ha!

by Adam NYC on Mar 3, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

NAH Playa there is only one real Knicks #9

Butch Beard baby! Jared is channeling his inner Butch baby!

by Robert Curre on Mar 3, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

where's the love?!

tony campbell!!!

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by stingy d on Mar 3, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Tony Campbell took more shots in his career that Butch Beard

and jared Jeffries combined, but unlike Beard and Jeffries he never bothered himself with silly notions like playing Defense!

by Robert Curre on Mar 3, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I loved how the announcer said his nam

tooo-neee CAMP-bell!

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Mar 3, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

My last memory of Butch Beard was him coachign the Nets, lol

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 3, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that!

I was sitting in front of these drunk stockbrokers at a Knicks- Kings game last season and they’re constant refrain was Stockbroker #1:“Jefferies…you are horrible”, Stockbroker #2: “…terrible!!!!”, Stockbroker #3 “…AWFUL!!!!”. It was really annoying and the worst part was that they thought they were like the life of the party when they were just obnoxious douchebags.

Glad we got Jefferies back (despite some early hesitation), he brings a lot of energy on defense that we need (but no ballhandling skills).

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

funny

b/c i tend to think he is a very capable ball handler for a borderline 7 ft lanky center

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Mar 3, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

And compared to his layup skills, his handle is magnificent.

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That's like saying

compared to something he’s really bad at, he’s not so bad at that other thing. Sorry, due to a typo I accidentally ordered a methaphor machine.

by superturboultra on Mar 3, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing

The difference between being on a shit team and a good one, isn’t it?

by Athony Mason's Haircut on Mar 3, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on Toney

It seems sometimes he’s on and sometimes he’s not. I thought it was funny how they continuously tried to tie his success last night to some wisdom imparted by Billups instead of just acknowledging that he was hot, just like in the Bucks game.

by Mount17 on Mar 3, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

TD gave some credit to billups too. post game

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Mar 3, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

ShawnE Williams

Also seemed to have squirt some hershet in the direction of(forget his name) and shook him to the floor with a pretty strong, but normal, jab step…..too bad the rest of the play didnt work out.

TD, he is relishing the opportunity of playing with Billups, he mentioned him twice in the NBA Tv interview. He in a way, is exactly what CB was early in his career, a tweener who has talent and capable of becoming a daym good pg if taught.

Love the throwback ‘bocker attitude Bully brings. Puttin jack to the ground and having the “man chest bump” thereafter are things i like to see. That along with every single player(since the billups trade) is talking about defense defense defense. We know we can score, but it sounds, and now is starting to show, that we’re focusing on Defense. We’re becoming a tough team y’all

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Mar 3, 2011 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

even if it takes them time to get there, you can’t say they aren’t emphasizing it when every other word out someone’s mouth is “defense”

by spreeballin on Mar 3, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

mike d'antonio aka Stuart Smalley

"You’ve got Amar’e Stoudemire here and you’ve got Carmelo there and he’s in the middle with the ball, you can get all whacked out," D’Antoni said. "And he has to settle down, be himself, play his game and it takes awhile." He added: "He’s got to have an ego and a game where he’s Toney Douglas, and that’s good enough. Tonight was a good step."

I’m Toney Douglas…I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!

by spreeballin on Mar 3, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

so, basically...

MDA thinks that TD needs to DWTDD!!!

by Crackback on Mar 3, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Awesome game.

Douglas killed it last night.

Armed Robbery

by Gelatin on Mar 3, 2011 11:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

"Back like Jeffries, wearin' the 9" is going to be a rap lyric someday, right?"

ha, definitely, has to be a real Knick fan tho. Like Joe Budden(the best sports lines in the biz) or Smoke DZA who’s a real big Knick fan. Joey can come up with something better tho.

I can’t wait to see how DWTDD does against CLE. In a perfect world, TD will develop into our starting PG in 2012 & we can go after D-12, forget CP3. But, of course, like the Heat it’s already set that Paul will join Stat & Melo.

Yankees 2010 (95-67)

Knicks '10/'11 (31-28)

Giants 2010 (10-6)

by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Mar 3, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Huge Joey fan

And yes, his sports punchlines crush anyone else’s.

The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.

by JerzeeBalla on Mar 3, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Wale is the only guy that comes to mind that is even close. Joey’s lines are just clever as hell and he references shit that the casual fan won’t even catch. Weezy has some good ones but definitely not as clever.

Besides, Joe’s a Knicks fan & from Jerz, so that makes him the shit by default.

Yankees 2010 (95-67)

Knicks '10/'11 (31-28)

Giants 2010 (10-6)

by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Mar 3, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Story of my life

The Knicks fan from Jerz part that is.

The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.

by JerzeeBalla on Mar 3, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I see ur also a Cubs & Phins fan from Jerz

How’d that happen? Damn you’ve been through some rough shit as a fan of those teams, you’ve never seen any trophies(unless ur old enough for the ‘70s). Hopefully the Knicks will change that soon, the only one of my teams I haven’t seen in a parade.

Yankees 2010 (95-67)

Knicks '10/'11 (31-28)

Giants 2010 (10-6)

by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Mar 3, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

strange
Normally, Billups would have spent the night playing mentor to Douglas. But Billups’s clothes have not yet arrived from Denver, and he did not have the proper attire — per league rules — to sit on the bench. Fortunately, the message had already been received.

um… this is NYC. I think dude can get a suit to wear on the bench right?

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Mar 3, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed. The Garden is a block from Macys.

Couldn’t they just send a lackey to pick up a suit? They didn’t show him all night, maybe he headed back to Denver to see the family a little early?

by robk on Mar 3, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

sounds like they gave him the full night off and used that as an excuse.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Mar 3, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

totally cool with that for the record

if anyone’s earned special privilege in the NBA it’s Chauncey Billups

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Mar 3, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

shoulda borrowed one of Clyde's

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get. - H.S.

by Mase in Your Face! on Mar 3, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

only clyde can wear a Clyde suit

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Mar 4, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Shawne better off the bench?

Anyone else see a pattern that he plays much better off the bench, rather than as a starter?

by jimjoyce25 on Mar 3, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Less responsibility.

And sometimes he is playing the other team’s bench. Not to minimize his effort.

The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.

by JerzeeBalla on Mar 3, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

on that note. It think Tony plays better as a starter. go to split stats on yahoo and look at his numbers last 2 years as starter. i know its a small sample but its worth exploring. same thing with wilson. better as starter. i hope that toney learns

from chauncey. Look at ty lawson. He is playing so well feltons coming off the bench. Also look how UNBELIEVABLY WELL team usa poing guards have been playing this year. All these guys citing billup’s influence as a major factor. Memo to knicks: draft Brandon Knight or play Toney more. Take advantage of the Tao of Billups while he is here.

by bababooey2 on Mar 3, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeffries is wearing #9 now

In deference to Allan Houston? That’s cute, right?

by superturboultra on Mar 3, 2011 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Revolution 9

should be Jeffries theme song… Like Jeffries, it’s really long and difficult to decipher, yet sort of catchy….

by fuhry on Mar 3, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

DWTDD

Follow me on twitter

"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me

by Jeterian 2 on Mar 3, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

NBA TV played the MSG feed last night

but the NBATV guys were talking about a sit-down between Chauncey Billups and Toney Douglas before the game. Apparently Chauncey asked him over to talk about running the team and such. They were raving about the tone of the conversation and the leadership of Billups. They said something to the effect of “even when Billups isn;t playing his influence is all over the court.”

Nothing we don’t already know about Chauncey, but just adds to the many things he brings to the game. And low and behold, Toney came out with sparkling confidence and outplayed Chris Paul and definitely DWTDD.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 3, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

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