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Knicks 92, Hawks 79: "Hooray for poop!"

I'm not sure I can remember another Knick win quite like this one. The Knicks and Hawks played three even quarters of sluggish, ineffective basketball laden with missed shots and offensive fouls. Then, in the fourth, New York just went bananas. Carmelo Anthony, who had been killing possessions all evening (more on that later), took to the bench and the rest of the Knicks promptly blew the game open. On defense, New York's active hands shut off Atlanta passing lanes and ruined their attempts to work the ball inside (12 steals in total). On offense, the Knicks relied on equal helpings of Amar'e Stoudemire and the corner three (the BJabs comment quoted in the headline is one of several dozen poop-laden exclamations from the second half thread) to dart ahead of Atlanta and never look back. Meanwhile, a large chunk of the Philips Arena crowd came out in favor of the Knicks to the point that it felt a little like a home game at times. Bros with flat-brim hats and #7 t-shirt jerseys are apparently not confined to New York and Miami!

Take the jump for some notes on the win.

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- So...yeah. Carmelo Anthony sat down with 10:14 remaining in the fourth quarter and didn't return. The Knicks outscored the Hawks 30-20 from that point forward thanks to the aforementioned Amar'e 'n' poop platter. So what happened up to that point? Melo shot very poorly (6-18), had some defensive lapses, and turned the ball over five times, but also grabbed seven boards and threw seven assists. Early on, it seemed like Anthony was playing decent team ball but just couldn't get his shots down. Though he couldn't string together made shots or draw a foul, Melo had three assists in the game's first three minutes, responding to attention from multiple defenders by throwing crisp passes (often over long-ass distances) to open shooters. All was well. As the game progressed, though, Anthony's hands got stickier and he grew more and more prone to dribbling and standing and dribbling and standing and dribbling into traffic and taking hideous out-of-rhythm shots. It seriously fucked up New York's offensive continuity, which was already kind of precarious with Chauncey Billups still sidelined. A pretty nasty first quarter eye-poke by Al Horford appeared to bug Anthony for the rest of the evening, but it didn't seem like enough for Melo to be suddenly stricken with tunnel vision. Due in some part to solid defense from the Atlanta forwards, he didn't participate in much of the harmony with Amar'e we've seen in games prior (very few post-ups and catches off curls), and didn't sustain that distributing streak well enough to compensate for his poor shooting and inability to draw fouls. Carmelo Anthony has already shown how he can and will be a dynamic part of this team's offense, but that wasn't the case in this one. Tonight, it seemed like the Knicks won in spite of him and played best without him. Hopefully, spectating on that fourth quarter run gave Melo a little insight into how the D'Antoni offense thrives and the ways he which he can excel as a part of it.

- UPDATE: From Alan Hahn:

"The small forward said a Horford poke to his left eye in the first quarter gave him a migraine so severe that he was forced to toss his sweatband because of the pressure.

"I really couldn't see," said Anthony, who was subbed out with 10:14 left and the Knicks up 64-59. "The eye was blurry. I was seeing double almost the whole game. I was shooting the ball just trying to get it up to the basket, just trying to get the other guys going.''

So maybe you can disregard a lot of the above.

- Amar'e Stoudemire, on the other hand, was as solid as ever. That mid-range jumper is my rock, y'all. I love it. I want to marry it and move in to a three-bedroom apartment with it and raise a family with it.

- In Chauncey's stead, Toney Douglas finally struck a happy medium between spectacular and dreadful. He played a solid, effective outing, over-dribbling at times but putting up a decent 10 points, 7 assists, and 5 rebounds with just 2 turnovers. His best dish of the evening was a gorgeous feed to a cutting Landry Fields that ended in an easy flush down the middle.

- With all due respect to Toney, though, Anthony Carter was the point guard star of the evening. Carter was instrumental, particularly during a third quarter in which he ripped steals and rebound away from Hawks, made some useful passes, and dropped in 7 points, including a pull-up three-pointer just before the buzzer. I've become quite enamored with this plucky little pug. Anthony doesn't even need to hit jumpers to stay on the floor, but he's been doing that splendidly over the last few games. Excellent.

- It didn't look like it was going to be a very Landry evening when the Knick rookie missed his first two wide open threes to open the game, but a few splendid drives and some bangin' threes later, Landry Fields had himself a splendid line. 15 points on 6-11 shooting, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and, save for a handful of rough possessions, some pretty solid defense on Joe Johnson.

- Also contributing to that D on The Armadillo Cowboy was Jared Jeffries, who was typically absent from the boxscore but omnipresent on the court. He anchored a few zones (a throwback to the magical '09-'10 season) and rushed over to pester Johnson whenever he put the ball on the floor. Maybe I'm imagining things, but it seemed like Jared's frenetic defense inspired the rest of the blokes to keep their hands up and snaggle all them steals.

- Once again, the most smile-inducing aspect of the evening was Roger Mason's contribution off the bench. His defense came and went, but he canned two big jumpers during that fourth quarter mayhem. It's just a delight for this guy to finally show something when given another opportunity.

- In terms of interior defense, the Shawne Williams/Shelden williams frontcourt isn't D'Antoni's best bet. They'd make a good law firm, though.  

- As he's wont to do, Shawne stepped in as the Knicks' most incontinent pooper. He hit four a'them bad boys, and I think most of them came from the corner. Vintage Extra E.

- I need to see it again for clarification, but Derrick Brown busted out some pretty marvelous dance moves after one of those threes.

- Chauncey Billups was seen chewin' a toothpick on the bench. Badass. Renaldo Balkman once again kept his dreadlocks tightly cornrowed. Not as badass. Let 'em flow, Humpty!

And that's it! It would have been interesting to see how the Knicks finished if it stayed a slow, defensive struggle, but I wouldn't trade that fourth quarter barrage for anything. Credit the Knicks for suddenly finding their offense while the Hawks stayed missing. They're back in action tomorrow against the Jazz.

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I got a warning on Peninsula is mightier

for posting the Lebron crying pic and questioning why a franchise would retire another teams players jersey.

sensitive bunch they are right now ROFL!

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

It was a genuine question and a graphic related to a current story as espoused by their coach.

hardly grounds for a warning LOL

still probably not worth starting shit between blogs – I’ll be good.

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't get it..

why do they call it Peninsula is Migthier?

by JVGsDietCoke on Mar 7, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure its because Miami is situated on the Florida Peninsula

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

not really a catchy name for a blog tho

not close to poasting and toasting of course.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Mar 7, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

+10000

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Posting and Toasting

now THAT’s a blog name.. or Knickerblogger

by JVGsDietCoke on Mar 7, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree strongly, I think it's a great name.

The Pen is mightier than the sword. Peninsula is mightier.
I think it’s a funny play on an old saying with geographical relevance.

by Osborn on Mar 7, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmm you might be right

A little convoluted if you ask me but I’m sure the 7 die hards that post over there voted on it………..

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it's pretty dead over there

you would think they would have had a spike just in terms of bandwagonners.

ironically, their main bandwagonner jumped over to our wagon….

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Mar 7, 2011 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahahahaha brilliant call

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

+1!

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Mar 7, 2011 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

meh. more of a stretch IMO

sometimes trying to be too clever, you can out clever yourself. and it just isn’t fluid, doesn’t roll off the mental tongue well.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Mar 7, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Call Osborn

it makes it witty when seen in that light.

by JVGsDietCoke on Mar 7, 2011 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially prescient

considering the Cavs’ blog is “Fear the Sword.” I wonder if they’d appreciate having that little irony pointed out over there…

by Dutchmarau on Mar 7, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What do swords and pens have to do with basketball

and blogging? Yes I get that pen is a metaphor for writing but still I think it is overall a weak name. I would prefer “Dribbles from Dade”

She-Will She-Will Rock You

by YuckFou on Mar 7, 2011 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

+867546356

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!

Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!

I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying

by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 7, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and Orlando is inland

so they are saying Miami>Orlando………..or that’s how i read it

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i get that.. but i was hoping there was something more.

like a slogan.. or a person always says that.. or something

like Posting and Toasting (just brilliant)

by JVGsDietCoke on Mar 7, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Melo and Amar’e were making fun of the Heat for crying lol!

Melooooooo!!!!
Stat&Melo!!

by VicTor W on Mar 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST reply actions  

where did you see that?

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

i read that on espn - ny

but you couldn’t tell what the tone of what they said was. they were merely discussing it when they opened the locker room for reporters. Melo said something like ‘i gotta call bosh and tell him not to do that(cry)’.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Mar 7, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

classic

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

found it
When the locker room first opened to reporters after the game, Stoudemire and Anthony were bantering and laughing about players on the Miami Heat crying after their loss earlier Sunday to the Chicago Bulls, with Stoudemire fingering Chris Bosh as the watery-eyed one (although Bosh, when asked by reporters in Miami whether he had cried, said he almost had but did not).

Amare Stoudemire scored 10 of his team-high 26 points in the pivotal fourth quarter.
“I heard Chris Bosh was crying tears,” Stoudemire said.

“Tears?” Anthony asked.

“Yeah, tears,” Stoudemire replied.

“Wait ’til I call him, man,” Anthony said. “I’ll be like: ‘What are you doing?’”

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

This is GREAT I can sleep in peace now

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Mar 7, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

More on the Miami Crying Game from the Miami Herald
Players cried.

Grown men, professionals — they were crying after a regular-season loss Sunday.

That’s how bad this hurts. That’s how frustrating this has become. That’s how real the pressure feels.

Could this get any better?

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Mar 7, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Talk about mentally fragile

That is probably more concerning to them than the loses.

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 4:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Really??

Miami was cryin? what about all of this though??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9BqUBYaHlM&feature=related

especially watch the 3:15 mark…..what happened to all of that….

by Flying_Saucer on Mar 7, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Those guys have no idea how to deal with adversity

Usually when a team loses, they give credit to the other team and the players identify things they didn’t do that they will have to fix. But LeBron and those guys are just saying “We have to fix this” and not sounding like they have any idea what is going wrong out there. And their relatively weak fanbase isn’t helping.

It’s like they were really blindsided by how difficult this is turning out to be. This could make them all stronger players, which is bad for us, but for now it’s very enjoyable to watch.

by fuhry on Mar 7, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

they have absolutely no respect for their opponents

and their opponents know it and so are highly motivated to stick it to them even harder. Plus, for whatever reason probably chemistry, they just don’t play well enough. I smell a sinking ship.
Troy Murphy signing with Boston was another slap in the face for a franchise whose main plan for acquiring complimentary talent was the big three’s magnetism and charisma leading to picking up Eric Dampier and the departure of Carlos Arroyo. Big Deal, I prefer the more traditional way that DW is handling things , acquiring useful tradable players and generally DWDWDing.

She-Will She-Will Rock You

by YuckFou on Mar 7, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

my question is

what was coach spoes doing there? do you think he leaked that on purpose to embarass them, in kind of a motivational move? or do you think he just said it, in the spur of the moment, lights in his face type of thing?

i feel it was the latter, and i don’t know if he realized the ramifications of saying so.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Mar 7, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he realised

I think he thought it showed the players care

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, some analyst a while back made a perfect comment about Spoelstra

He’s actually in a lose-lose situation (if you can believe it).

If the Miami Heat win, people don’t give the coach any credit. They credit the talent of James, Wade & Bosh. But if they lose, it’s because Spoelstra cannot control his team and what not.

That’s a cold, cold reality, man.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 7, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That is so true and unfair to him

Obviously he could choose choice ©.

A void? I see no void!

by gunsbound on Mar 7, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor judgment on spoelstra's part...

he had good intentions but this only gives the Heat’s detractors more fodder. I’m surprised how out of touch he could be to think that that comment would go over well (or go unnoticed)

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Mar 7, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

lo-fucking-l

i love those 2 (no homo)
really, thaey are some funny mofo’s. i wish STAT called lebron a bitch

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!

Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!

I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying

by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 7, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good team win today

Interesting to read that about melo as I noticed he took his headband off and know we know why.
OG CAHTAH was ballin’ again tonight and JJ just continues to prove his importance. Fields played some very Landry D on Joe Johnson and I think we will really see the value of Chanucey when he comes back hopefully tomorrow.

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 2:03 AM EST reply actions  

Hilarious write-up, as ever

I checked in to check it out when a friend texted to say “Your friend Seth sure does like to talk about pooping.” And then laughed out loud at extra E being “the Knicks’ most incontinent pooper.”

by PolyphonicSpreewell on Mar 7, 2011 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

Anthony Carter used to be a street hustler on the playgrounds

I’d love it if Donnie Walsh slipped him some bills in the tunnel after wins like this.

by Mr. Throw-In on Mar 7, 2011 2:24 AM EST reply actions  

I'd love it if Anthony Carter slipped Donnie some Purp

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Mar 7, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Miami wants sympathy

I almost felt bad for them but then remembered their arrogance before the season and I can’t have sympathy. They should have known Chris Bosh is not a superstar and only looked good because he was on a sorry team and was the guy with most shots. I have always said and continue to say that I take a healthy Stat, Melo and Chauncey any day over the big 3 in Miami and they are only big 2 to me because Bosh is nothing more than their best 3rd option or go to guy. He isn’t better than Stat, Dirk and I would even take Pau Gasol over him. Great recap and hope to win tomorrow against the Jazz. Melo had a decent all around game and we still won even though he was off offensively. This was one of those games where we won without him in the fourth but that won’t be the case all the time.

This squad will be deadly when they get accustomed and figure out what they wanna do. We still haven’t had a real practice yet and we been doing decent. They will get better as they go and by playing in games since they didn’t have all summer to play together and pre-season.

by RASHADI on Mar 7, 2011 3:45 AM EST reply actions  

I've lost a bit of respect for Wade as well

Adrian Wojnakowski called that way early on. For all the people who hate him on here, he was the first guy I read to mention that he felt Bosh/James would downgrade Wade reputation a bit. That wasn’t to say those guys are team cancers (as much as I dislike them, they are far from cancers), but they are excuse makers and have a tendency to whine a bit. More Bosh than James. But they came to join Wade and instead of blending into HIS team, they went to make Miami their own.

My only sympathy for them is it must be incredibly frustrating to let so many games slip away like they have. Even worse is it is just the best teams too. And while everyone will harp on the Bulls going 3-0 against Miami… the COMBINED win margin of all 3 games is 8 points. Wow. And it isn’t that James, Wade, Bosh suck… we hate them but they all have shown an ability to win. And yeah, they are very much under a huge magnifying glass.

But hey… in the end, this is the monster THEY created. It was James demanding all the atention for weeks and loving it. It was the 3 of them on stage in a concert atmoshphere with fireworks talking like they already had won a title months before the season even began. So, sorry guys, you made your own bed and now you are sleeping in it. Want to get some sympathy? STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR WHY YOU LOSE GAMES! STOP WHINING ABOUT THE WORLD BEING AGAINST YOU!! If a team beats you, be fucking graceful to them!!!

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1000000

I noticed that too – they don’t ever credit another team. You never hear “They’re a great team, they were better than us tonight and we have to do X and Y better to beat them”. Instead it’s “We’ll fix it. We know were better than this” et cetera. Part of their problem is that they think something is ‘wrong’ when they don’t blow everyone out. Good teams are beating them right now because they are more complete teams.

by fuhry on Mar 7, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Their whole concert/dancing/firework display in Miami in the offseason officially made me hate them. Lebron saying, “Not, 3, not 4, not 5, not 6 championships” etc, etc, made them look like total jerks and so I really have no pity for them.

Chirs Mullin on ESPN made a good point that other than the Big 3, their best offensive players can’t play D, and their best defensive players don’t contribute on the offensive end. Initially, I thought they did a good job getting surrounding talent, considering their lack of money to spend, but now their holes are becoming more and more obvious.

I also find it hilarious that they can’t close out games or hit big shots for their lives. That was originally their biggest critique is that who would take the big shot at the end of the games and it’s proven to be true

by WSD on Mar 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is their first season together

They’ll get it together, considering they’ll know exactly what their needs are. Hopefully we’ll get it together too by that point so we can compete.

by superturboultra on Mar 7, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe that in the next 5 years (?)

Or however long they’re all on their contracts for, that they will win at least 1 championship, yes. But still, we’re 60 games into the season, and there are times where they look absolutely dominant, yet they can’t close out games worth shit.

End of the game execution shouldn’t be that hard, especially when you have two guys that can make plays out of double teams, and drive to the rim at will. They’ll figure it out, but considering how cocky and arrogant they were in the offseason, I’m glad they’re struggling. And as for the crying: it’s a 4 game losing streak. People can say they’re competitive and pour their heart into the game all they want, but really? Man up, give credit to the other team and fix your problems. I don’t remember hearing about Cleveland crying after 26 straight losses

by WSD on Mar 7, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

watching them play

You really wonder about Spoelstra. For all the credit guys like Pat Reilly give him as a tactics guy, he seems to have absolutely no imagination on offense. That being said, that’s usually what the Cav’s looked like too.

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Mar 7, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that's true

I personally don’t put their struggles on Spoelstra, but he is rather unimaginative with the offense and late-game situations.

They should really have an unstoppable offense with alot of cuts and curls and kick-outs. That’s something I do critique them on because it’s been 60 games and by then, most teams have their offense together

by WSD on Mar 7, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't blame Spoeslstra's offense

he has three ball stoppers on the floor surrounded by guys who are either erractic shooters or can’t shoot and he does not have a point guard who can conduct traffic. I have earned the reputation for being anti-superstar, I am not, I just have been around long enough to know that just getting three stars and letting them run will not win, unless you have a compete team to put around them. If you saw the Spurs game it was apparent the difference in the quality of players Duncan, Parker, and Ginoboli had around them than what the heat had. It was a shame.

by Robert Curre on Mar 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I am noticing AC is hitting the 3 now too

if he can continue, teams won’t be able to sleep on him. He wasn’t known for shooting but I still can’t get over that shot he made behind the backboard and I see he can help us now that he is older, more experienced and developed his game.

by RASHADI on Mar 7, 2011 3:56 AM EST reply actions  

He hit another 3 as well that didn't count because of a shitty foul

I too have been surprised with his 3 point shooting.

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 4:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I am not surprised. i have seen AC enough to know

that he has able been able to hit enough threes to make people have to at least guard him out there. he just doens’t shoot alot.

by Robert Curre on Mar 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

what i can't get over is how NOBODY

brought up that one posession where stat was driving, drew a double, and dished it to extra e behind his back as though he had eyes in the back of his head for the awesomest poop of the night. oh, and ROGER MASON JR IS ALIVE!

on the heat sucking it up, i think wade was being a little snot when he said that “this is what everyone wants, for miami to lose. the world is a better place now that miami isn’t winning any games” or something to that nature. of the 2 and a 1/4, i respected him the most. but after that gaff im starting to have my doubts.

by renovator on Mar 7, 2011 4:38 AM EST reply actions  

That pass was freaking awesome and that poop was at least 9 courics

Totally agree about DWade what a douche, they thought it would be easy and can’t handle it

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 4:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I missed the game

but saw the pass on the nba channel a couple of times already. MVP MVP MVP
Wade is right, everybody is happy that Miami is losing. Well maybe not everybody, but most of us are as well as most every non Miami fan. What must really be sticking in his craw is that he took a pay cut for all this grief and now makes less than Bosh. I kind of feel sorry for him in a giggly way.

She-Will She-Will Rock You

by YuckFou on Mar 7, 2011 5:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I told my girl..

I bet the Knicks easily handle the hawks tonight. I don’t know if it was easy though thinking back on it, but watching them scramble and steal the basketball like they did had me cheering like I haven’t in a while. This was another “feel good” win. Thank you Knicks.

by Rubbercons on Mar 7, 2011 5:47 AM EST reply actions  

That 4th Q was one of the best displays of overall team ball

the Knicks have displayed all year. Sure the shots fell, but really that’s to be expected with Amar’e “fuckin” Stoudemire in the 4th. That defense kicked the hawks in the nuts and they just crumbled and other then a few prayers didn’t take up much of a fight. Poop has gotten back to doing what Poop do now that he doesn’t have to play center anymore too.

Roger Mason coming alive is excellent for us. He can handle the rock and hopefully he trusts his shot and Pringles trust him. He’d be a great addition to the rotation if he’s right.

Hopefully Carmelo is Ok (if he was really hurt) and hopefully he sees what ball movement and defense do for our offense. Shit when he was in there and the ball moved it worked too. I mean I like Sticky Fingaz, but the autobiography of Kirk Jones was a while ago and I don’t wanna see that on the court. Migraine or no migraine he does that anyway. Stop it.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 7, 2011 7:07 AM EST reply actions  

I can barely move when I have a migraine.

I have no idea how he even played basketball, especially with the bright lights and a lot of noise.

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by bm01bath on Mar 7, 2011 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

yeah, why did he play the first 3 quarters if his migraine was really that bad?

last time i checked, seeing was an important part of playing basketball…if you “really couldn’t see” and are “seeing double almost the whole game”, i think it’s time to take a seat. i would respected him more if he had asked to be taken out of the game earlier instead of blindly running around playing sloppily and "shooting the ball just trying to get it up to the basket, just trying to get the other guys going.‘’ Even you’re not THAT good, melo.

by eeeeeestern on Mar 7, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

If he asked to come out of a close game

people would call him a “pussy.” Honestly, who cares.

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by The Rooster on Mar 7, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean half of this very thread is making fun of the Heat for crying

makes me think that gasp people just get empowered by knocking celebs/athletes down to their level?

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by The Rooster on Mar 7, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Questioning Melo in this instance is not hating.

Maybe some people are just haters. I can’t speak for them. But it is totally legitimate to question someone for staying in the game who admittedly had trouble seeing. Do you honestly not believe that? That’s kind of important when you’re playing basketball. There are those fans who are haters and those who support everything a player does because he’s on your team (or because they don’t want to be seen as haters).

You can support a position in between: question your players when they do something that warrants it.

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Mar 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

dude, until recently you were considered a coward

if you pulled yourself out of a NFL game because you had a concussion.

it’s not that hard to see why Melo would want to resist coming out of a close game. there are great arguments against the prevalence of excessive machismo in sports, but that aside, in a tight must-win game against the team we’re trying to knock out of the #5 seed, I’m sure as a competitor Melo was in no state to ask to be seated.

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by The Rooster on Mar 7, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

In most situations you may be right

but not when you’re seeing double and trying to shoot a ball into a basket. It just doesn’t make sense. That is not something you can play through. Maybe — maybe — if this were a playoff game Melo should stay in the game for rebounding and drawing defenders (who wouldn’t know the extent of his vision problems), but not a regular season game. And if Melo really did want to stay in the game (a mentality I respect, really), then why keep shooting?

My original point was not that Melo was wrong for staying in the game (although I kind of think he was) but that someone questioning his decision to do so is not automatically hating or unfairly “knocking” him. I think sometimes that people are overly concerned with being perceived as a hater that they are reluctant to give criticism even when it’s due. On the flip side, people who would have called Melo a coward for bowing out last night would have been compeltely wrong.

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Mar 7, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you're being unreasonable

just know that we’re still kinda in the Dark Ages as far as machismo vs. cowardice in sports goes, and seeing that double vision tends to be intermittent (seems like his was) Melo probably thought he could play and shoot through it (and he was able to make some shots regardless, including the last one before he was pulled)

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by The Rooster on Mar 7, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with any of that.

At the end of the day, he tried to fight through it but couldn’t, and ended up sitting out the 4th. There’s nothing wrong with that — especially since he was able to contribute in other ways. And more importantly, we got the win.

by Raymond Felton's Stink Eye on Mar 7, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm fine with Melo playing

Besides, it’s a new team and he probably wants to show his teammates he’s willing to play through anything. I’m more concerned with his quote about shooting to “get the other guys going.” That doesn’t make any sense to me

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by apy5000 on Mar 7, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

well if he's hitting shots, it can open things up for his teammates

and get the offense in a flow, etc. he took it upon himself to get the team out of its stagnation. once we have better offensive chemistry he won’t feel compelled to do that every time

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by The Rooster on Mar 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i just wrote a similar thing below

especially the decision to shoot a lot because you had a migraine and were seeing double and couldnt score. Those all seem like reasons not to shoot.

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Mar 7, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

favorite stat of the night

roger mason jr with the highest +/- on the team with +15

by noonyp6 on Mar 7, 2011 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

I was at the game last night with my daughter

It was great fun watching the poop drop and hearing the MVP chant when amare walked up for a pair of free throws late in the game.

Roger Mason? Who knew?

DWTDD dribbles a lot more in person than on TV. Just sayin’

by cynickfan on Mar 7, 2011 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly i'll take an overdribbling Toney Douglas than

a before Billups picking up dribble when defense comes Toney Douglas.. he kept some of those possessions alive

by blackhova on Mar 7, 2011 8:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Interesting statistic that I feel I should point out to all the trade haters via @alanhahn

Knicks before trade (54 games): 104.5 points for / 104.3 points against. Since trade (7 games): 105.4 points for / 101.5 points against.

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by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

7 games

does not a significant sample size make

by gbnypat on Mar 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

that's true but it's the only sample size we have to work off and the fact that we are performing better statistically ONLY 7 games in says a lot

Common sense would suggest that these numbers should if anything get better over a bigger sample.

S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.

P&T - That's what She-Will Said.

by Ozraider on Mar 7, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The crazy thing is

when stat had 40 points or more for 15 straight games, i instantly modeled my game after him. The man can’t be stopped 1-on-1. He’s like Kobe of the PF position.

And Melo did look shaken up after getting poked in the eye. He should have sat down instead of jacking up shots and ruining the team chemistry.

Also, I dont care about the heat. Let them wallow in agony. They need to man up and figure out a way to win, not cry like 2 year olds.

by Flying_Saucer on Mar 7, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Is Melo good to go tonight?

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by The Rooster on Mar 7, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Say what you want about Melo

I think the guy’s got 12 more balls than LeBron, Wade, and that other guy combined.

by fuhry on Mar 7, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck the Big 3

this Knicks team’s got the HUGE 2

by Dutchmarau on Mar 7, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Mar 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

just watching the game now

Landry’s D on Johnson has been superb

Also, Melo looks strange without a sweatband

by Bertilad on Mar 7, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

I tuned in during the 2nd quarter and saw that too

I first thought that maybe D’Antoni started some sort of headband ban or something, lol

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 7, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Props to MDA for sticking with a productive unit and keeping Melo on the bench.

That’s not an easy call, and it takes huge balls bc if it goes awry he gets his his fingernails plucked.

Its much easier for an offensive minded coach to roll with a bad Melo bc even just his presence opens things up for others, and STAT in particular.

But MDA chose defensive over offense and the defense wound up energizing the offense. Anybody else catch MDA climb up TD’s ass for giving up that 3 to Heinrick?

MDA is starting to become a well-rounded coach.

by Crackback on Mar 7, 2011 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah he is making little differences here and there

it definitely takes some balls to sit Melo against a playoff opponent. Sometimes these guys wont let on that they are hurting too.

I’m glad it worked and I’m even happier that the Knicks stepped up without Melo.

At least WE can close a game once in a while, unlike those rivals down souf. hah!

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by Chris Child's Fist on Mar 7, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree about Jeffries

He’s been stellar on the defensive end. He’s very disruptive. And he seems to energize everybody else’s defense when he’s on the floor. The whole unit seems to kick it up a knotch when he’s out there.

by Crackback on Mar 7, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I definitely read "Amar'e 'n' poop platter" as Amar'e's poop and splatter.

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Mar 7, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

that melo quote seems weird to me.

you had a migraine and you were seeing double so you decided to take 18 shots “to get other people going.” What?

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Mar 7, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Hi guys and gals.

Just a mention on the migraine thing. Melo had a history of migraines for a couple of years with the Nuggets…so I wouldn’t say this is inconceivable.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 7, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

im so glad we won, and hope we do it again

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by 56THE REAL LT on Mar 7, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

where is/was bill walker?

didn’t even see him on the bench.

by pmsjerk on Mar 7, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

bad left knee

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by sadderbudweiser on Mar 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Really interesting game last night....

You could see Melo was hurt right away when Horford poked him. What I don’t understand is fairly simple: if you can’t fucking see then why are you shooting so much?

I’m glad MDA sat him for whatever reason and it’s great that things worked out the way they did. The more our bench and supporeting cast steps up the more the team grows in confidence. A’mare answered the call as well. This bodes really well for the future.
Melo will be there when it counts.

The one thing that frustrated me was how easily the Hawks just backed us right into the paint for easy post ups for the first three quarters. Time and time again…and every once in awhile they’d kick it back out for an open three.

Jeffries is great but we still need a badass lane hog to get to the next level.

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by sadderbudweiser on Mar 7, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

guys i love that were winning and im pumped for the future..

but i need to make one point. ive read a lot of comments on here praising our team and saying that “melo and stat will figure it out and be unstoppable” but than you read comments from the same poster saying miami will never be great and that they lack chemistry and dont have a team.

i love the knicks. i hate the heat. but we need to be fair here. most likely both teams will get better as they continue to grow with each other and build up some chemistry.

also, its not really a good thing that stat+melo make the same amount as lebron+wade+bosh.

those 20 mil a season cap hits might hurt us down the road. i wish they both took 14-15 mil instead..

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

yes but knicks are together for three weeks

And Miami had training camp and 60 games, that is huge difference, some people here dont understand that. Problem in Miami isnot chemistry or intensity, they have that, problem is that Lebron and Wade dont complement each other games, Lebron is at best when he dominates the ball nad is playmakin, but the same is true for wade. Both players thrives when playin pick and roll and goin to the rim, they could adopt, but question is will Lebron or Wade still be as effective. another problem is no insade presence, cause is in esence SF, and he was overpaid.
Knicks on the other hand have much more complementary offensive players in Amare, CB and Melo, who are perfectly suited for half-court offense (playoffs basketball) and will esatblish much more versatile and unpredictable offense.

by BubbaChuck on Mar 7, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

fair point with the 60 games vs 6 games, but are melo + stat really complementary?

if i were able to choose three players to put on my team, id pick a center, a small forward, and a point guard. its the most complementary.

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by Moshe52792 on Mar 7, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So answer is yes, much more than miami trio. dont forget CB, he is being overlooked.

Stat and melo alone can give you inside outside game, they can play p and r, and remember you talked about development and adopting, here melo and stat are more complementary than lebron and dwade. Melo needs to start playin picks with amare (more than capable, believe me iv seen him with nene) and amare needs to develop post game (same with melo) to even improve inside presence. Regarding post play both Melo and Amare should call hakeem to learn some of that dream shake, that would be unstoppable.

by BubbaChuck on Mar 8, 2011 6:55 AM EST up reply actions  

this could be one of the more dominating duos ever, why do you think that donnie have trade basiccaly whole team for melo, he is much smarter than most of you think

And you can already see the results, and this is only the begining, they are focusing on defense which is extremly smart by mike, cause offense will be great sooner or later and he knows that. Time to excited in Knicks land, good times are commin, he,he

by BubbaChuck on Mar 8, 2011 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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