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New York Knicks Breakdown: Knicks Have Too Many Holes for Postseason Success

After a shaky start to the Carmelo Anthony era, the Knicks have begun to turn things around, carrying a seven-game winning streak down the stretch of the season. This comes on the heels of a nine-loss-in-ten-games stretch preceding the current winning streak.

But which Knicks will we see in the playoffs? The winning Knicks? The losing Knicks? Something in between? Let’s examine New York’s 97-92 Wednesday victory over a respectable Sixers team to examine what lies in store.

Good Knicks:



The Knicks run much more isolations with their current incarnation than they did pre-’Melo, and with good effect. Against the Sixers the Knicks ran 13 isolations for Amar’e Stoudemire (mainly from the left elbow) and generated 17 points, a good ratio.

With Elton Brand and Spencer Hawes far too slow to contest him on the perimeter, Stoudemire had free reign to shoot unpreserved jumpers to his heart’s content. When the Sixers did try to contest, he had the speed to create offense off the dribble. Finally, the threat of Stoudemire isolating opened up passing lanes to open teammates. Amar’e has been much more unselfish than in years past, and while he doesn’t have great vision, he registered seven assists.

Also, the Knicks ran 11 isolations for Anthony, scoring 14 points on those possessions despite being matched with a talented defensive counterpart in Andre Iguodala. Anthony played a bit farther out on the perimeter against the Sixers than he did as a Nugget, where he mostly operated in the mid-post. But tricky inside-out dribbles, the fantastic threat to get to the basket, and flawless jump shot mechanics eviscerated Iguoldala’s defense from the outside.

Carmelo also used a pair of pindown threes plus a dribble-pitch jumper from the left wing to give the Knicks breathing room to start the second half, ballooning an eight-point halftime lead to 14 in a few minutes.

Also, while ‘Melo is slow to recognize open teammates, he’s an excellent passer, beautifully threading the ball through cracks to open teammates, as he did on one first quarter screen/roll to Sheldon Williams for a dunk.

No surprise, the Knicks have a tremendous amount of firepower with Carmelo and Stoudemire on the floor at the same time.

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Stoudemire also plays more energetic defense than he ever did in Phoenix, with several well-timed rotations and adequate close outs. He blocked three shots in total, and came up with a key deflection on a Thaddeus Young drive late in the fourth quarter.

When the Knicks ran their strong-side dribble-pitch, weak-side double curl, it resulted in a made foul line jumper for Landry Fields and a successful isolation for Stoudemire.

Twice, Knicks guards were posted by Elton Brand. The first occasions saw Anthony Carter force a Brand missed turnaround, and a second saw Chauncey Billups poke away Brand’s dribble negating the mismatch.

Carter also ripped Brand from the high post on one sequence, twice stopped the Sixers in transition, and supplied decent ball pressure for the duration. He played good positional defense, moved the ball, and even knocked down a three.

Jared Jeffries was directly attacked four times on defense, only allowing four points. He’s an alert help defender though and was able to grab or knock out four offensive rebounds.

Landry Fields fought through screens and closed out well.

Bill Walker and Derrick Brown each made precise defensive rotations leading to highlight blocks.

Shawne Williams stretched the floor by making two of his four three-pointers.

The Knicks seldom made mistakes with the ball, committing only nine turnovers for the duration.

The Knicks like to crash the offensive boards. Thanks to that, plus some fortuitous bounces, they secured 15 retreivals of their own missed shots.

The Knicks went under most Sixers screens allowing Philadelphia to destroy themselves via jump shooting suicide.

After the Knicks wasted a huge lead, Toney Douglas showed his moxie by knocking down a key triple plus four free throws to save the game.

Likewise, Carmelo Anthony was able to isolate and hit a humongous triple over Iguodala in the game’s final seconds.

On the whole, the Knicks play with unselfishness and moxie on offense and deserve credit for making impressive shots after the Sixers took the lead.



Bad Knicks:



The Knicks run far fewer high screen/rolls than they did to start the season. In the game at hand, only 21 possessions ended on screen/rolls, 11 from the top, 10 from the wing. Whereas the Knicks were a potent screen/roll team with Raymond Felton running the show, Chauncey Billups, Toney Douglas, and Carmelo Anthony aren’t as comfortable running screen/rolls. As a result, the Knicks screen/roll offense was only average, generating nine points on both their high screen/rolls and their wing screen/rolls, for a pedestrian 18 points in 21 possessions.

When Douglas ran screen/rolls, the Knicks only generated four points in eight possessions. Douglas had trouble penetrating and was often strung on the screens, and he’s more concerned with pulling up for threes than anything else. Likewise, ‘Melo had trouble using the screens, generating only four points on six possessions, again, mainly because he was unable to turn the corner and either settled for step-back jumpers or kicked it out to semi-contested three-point shooters.

Surprisingly to me, Billups was the only Knick to have appreciable screen/roll success, generating eight points on five possessions, mostly because Billups was better able to make passes to players inside the perimeter. One wing screen/roll was trapped, leading to a pass to Stoudemire on to ‘Melo for a three, while a high screen/roll led to a pass to Jeffries at the basket leading to a foul and a free throw.

While tweaking the offense to a more isolation-oriented offense allows Anthony to thrive, and Stoudemire to remain successful, it hurts Landry Fields, who needs precise ball movement and on-time passing to be an offensive contributor. Several times he opened up on cuts and didn’t receive the ball, and he was able to beat Jodie Meeks baseline for a layup, but he was largely MIA—3-5 FG.

Anthony forced at least a half dozen shots, though he did make at least two of them. Billups also forced a pair of shots and was disengaged on defense.

‘Melo was also guilty of a handful of disadvantageous switches forcing the Knicks defense to radically compromise. Fortunately, the Knicks were bailed out by Philadelphia’s inability to shoot from the outside.

Toney Douglas has many admirable characteristics, but he can’t run an offense, is often out of position on defense, and is trigger happy with the ball. The Knicks offense stagnated with Billups out late.

If Anthony Carter and Jared Jeffries are on the court together, the Knicks suffer from a lack of spacing.

Bill Walker, Derrick Brown, and both Williams’ are awful defenders, while Sheldon Williams is also a poor rebounder, has cement for hands, and can’t finish. The less he plays, the better.

While ’Melo is attempting to play aggressive defense, he’s often overaggressive and commits silly mistakes.

The Knicks suffered from awful court balance which allowed the Sixers to come back and take the lead. On several possessions, Toney Douglas was supposed to drop back and balance the court and never did, allowing run outs. Stoudemire was also guilty of not running hard twice, allowing a pair of fast break baskets.

Finally, on a Stoudemire elbow jumper, ‘Melo was at the opposite elbow and the farthest non-shooter from the basket. Instead of balancing the court, he went for an offensive rebound and came up empty, leaving nobody back to stop a run out. These careless spacing mistakes will doom the Knicks in the postseason.

With the exception of Jeffries and Ronnie Turiaf, the Knicks don’t box out hoping to simply jump their way to defensive rebounds. Against the athletic Sixers, the Knicks ended up yielding 17 offensive rebounds.

Against better shooting teams, the Knicks penchant for going under screens and switching on the perimeter will come back to bite them. Also, most opponents won’t shoot 14-22 from the free throw line and 2-18 from three.

 

The Verdict



The Knicks are guaranteed to play either the Miami Heat or the Boston Celtics in the first round of the postseason. While the Knicks have the firepower to win a game or two against a Celtics team that is suffering from a loss of identity, it’s difficult to envision them making fewer critical mistakes than a wise Celtics team.

Meanwhile, the Heat are beginning to peak and have the defense to lock the Knicks down in a non-competitive series.

Mike D’Antoni still needs to find a way to create a five-man offense that gives ‘Melo enough freedom while also allows other players to thrive. The Knicks also need depth at every position, a third starter-caliber player who can create his own offense, and a higher commitment to defensive details. Adding defensive-minded players who can also contribute on offense would also be a plus.

If Anthony can improve his unselfishness and defensive energy next season at the same degree Stoudemire has, then the Knicks will have some hope. However, even Stoudemire is a flawed defender, while D’Antoni and ‘Melo have never been sticklers for defensive discipline. As such, it’s difficult to envision championship-level success with the two stars as cornerstones.

That being said, what the Knicks have now is infinitely better than what they’ve had over the past decade, and they may field one of the best six or seven seeds to come out of the East in an eternity. With a more well-rounded roster, there’s enough talent to win a playoff series or perhaps two in any given year.

As such, this season is a success as the Knicks will be playing meaningful postseason games for the first time in an eternity and have the room to improve going forward—a fact that, regardless of the team’s flaws, should be celebrated even should they fall flat during the NBA’s second season.

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My apologies

For the lack of timing. This would’ve been a lot more topical after Wednesday’s game, but midterms and timely article don’t go hand-in-hand. Take from the piece what you want.

by Erick Blasco on Apr 10, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

This looks very cohesive and well written, but

One game is not enough for analysis of a team’s future play.
Case and point.

“The Knicks like to crash the offensive boards. Thanks to that, plus some fortuitous bounces, they secured 15 retreivals of their own missed shots.”

Rebounding, both offensively and defensively, is of one the Knicks’ biggest weaknesses.
18th in offensive rebounding, 24th in offensive rebound rate.
Also, calling Walker, Brown, and the Williamses awful defenders is not true. They’re certainly not good or great defenders by any stretch of the imagination, but they some of the better defenders the Knicks, which is more an indictment of the Knicks defense than it is praise of Walker and company.
Even with that said, I agree with most of what you wrote.

by Mikel L on Apr 10, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

True

However, I have watched far more than one Knick game this year, and living in Brooklyn, I’ve seen then more than any other team. Still, small sample size can be an issue. If anything in this game is anomalous with your understanding of the Knicks take it with a grain of salt.

By crashing the offensive glass, I didn’t mean to imply they were good rebounders. But they do send their guards and wings to try to rebound instead of having them back at all costs. As a result, the Knicks grabbed a number ofoffensive boards, but more indicative of how they operated, often ended up with an imbalance in transition if not complete run outs.

Brown was involved in three direct defensive plays (not including his block). He shaded Young to Young’s right (the middle) and was badly beaten to his left anyway. Forcing a defender to one side and getting beat away from that side is simply bad defense. If you pull that on one of the Riley school of defense teams (Chicago with Thibodeau, Miami with Spoelstra, Boston with Rivers), you wind up right on the bench. Brown was beaten more conventionally for an easy Young layup and moved his feet enough to impact one missed Young runner.

Walker is often beaten at the point of attack to the point where he has to give major ground on drives. Iggy used a step back on him and gained at least six feet of separation by stepping back. Shawne Williams isn’t strong for a frontcourt player which is problematic and he’s far too upright on dribble penetration. Sheldon is an outright stiff.

The problem, that you do realize, comes with comparing them to other bad defenders. Saying they’re some of the better defenders on the Knicks shouldn’t be the standard. Saying they’re some of the better defenders in the league should be the goal.

Yes, they’ll make some plays here and there (Brown and Walker with some nice rotations, occasionally Shawne Williams will block a shot and Walker will stay in front of his man), but the main thing to good defense is consistency. Those players don’t consistently make the correct defensive play enough times to be considered adequate or better defenders, though Walker has the athleticism to perhaps someday put things together.

Thanks for the comment!

by Erick Blasco on Apr 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

because it spreads the floor,

and if you have players that can hit those shots, it can make an offense very efficient will also difficult to defend.

I agree about needing a center.

Me and my squad build just like contractors
I break s***, you only give hairline fractures

by LatrellSprewell on Apr 11, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Spree got it right. The Knicks love to spread the floor and get either layups or threes. With spread screen/roll, the Knicks usually had a ball handler penetrating or pulling up at the top, a roller (Amar’e) diving to the hoop, and either three shooters spread, or two shooters and a baseline cutter. Since all the players are spread out it makes defensive rotations really difficult. When the Knicks were sharp, they’d score against any team that didn’t play exceptional screen defense.

It’s part of D’Antoni’s philosophy. I think the Knicks settle for too many threes as well, but I don’t think D’Antoni’s offense is too bad. Before Melo, the spread screen/roll was the same kind of offense that got the Magic to the finals two years ago. It’s a lot more conventional now with more iso’s and 1-2-2 sets. D’Antoni’s unwillingness to preach defense is a bigger concern.

If the Knicks continue to play more conventionally, then a conventional center wouldn’t be a bad thing. One problem with a conventional center is that with Amar’e as a four, it would hurt the Knicks’ spacing. I’m interested in seeing what direction the Knicks go with that.

by Erick Blasco on Apr 11, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good read.

Just one question, and maybe I’m missing something, but why is Toney Douglas generating 8 points on 4 possessions off the screen and roll bad but Billups generating 8 points on 5 possessions good? Don’t mean to nitpick, just curious.

by tkow on Apr 11, 2011 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Because I'm an awful editor.

That should have (and now does) read four points in eight possessions. Always, always nitpick.

by Erick Blasco on Apr 11, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

well erick you make saome fais points, eventhough you make a rather strong (too simplistic and general) judgement in the end about future playoff success.

First you probably havent watched knicks and melo (especially in denver) much, so you some of your points and conclusions are problematic. reagarding offense, yes you are right problem is pnr, but not because we run melo-centric offense, but simple fact that cb and td cant run pnr effectively and constatly at the moment. There are several reasons for that, but i wont get into that, cause our offense will be fine and when we figure out pnr, than its gonna be really hard for east teams. (training camp is needed). Regarding d we have two specific problems: lack of size and defending pnr. Size is something obvcious and can be fixed, no need to explain that. We have to do a better job defending pnr, no doubt about thta, but with cb out there this is hard to do, so dantoni is using TD more and more. And after watching TD he really has potential to become reallly good defensive pg and when he is outhere we are much better defensively, eventhough he can get too agreessive but this is clearly cause of lack of experience and will get better. Another problem is amare floating, when defending pnr, this is something that we have to work on in the summer and can get onlly better. Problem wont be completely fixed until we get some big who can defend pnr efectively (this is crucial when going after bigs in summer).
But when teams doesnt have dominat post game or offensive rebounding and effective pnr pg play , than knicks are actually very good defensively, look at miami, boston, atlanta, philly game, defense wqas actually very good in those games, but we were behand on offense (boston game). In playoffs its ll about matchups, regural season means very little and i like majority of matchups in boston or miami series, we most defenitely have achance for upset. When (or if) we add some legitimate size than this teams will have alot of problems to play against us, we are much better offensive team than east teams and adding size will be huge for our defense-we have no real CENTER. Reagrding spacing is little ludicrus argument, if you know that JJ is probably the worst offensive player in the league, it can get only better. Regarding your comments that melo cant lead you to championship or whatever, i wont comment on them, cause you proablbly havent watched melo much, which is true for majority of people outside of denver and new york, let me just say its like saying kobe or lebron cant lead you to a ring, off course they cant beat you alone, but with proper supporting cast easily.

by BubbaChuck on Apr 11, 2011 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

and yes regarding miami d, it wont work against us, cause they tend to overplay everything, they use wade and lebron as defensive roamers.

Lebron cant play off melo, he knows better, cause otherwise melo can beat miami alone, especially now with his improved three point shooting. And dantoni system is built on spacing, so if they oovercommit than we are gonna get open looks all day from three point line, you dont wanna see that happen in aplayoff series against us. We simply matchup well against them, expect for wade, where we need to use commite to slow him downand keep him away from paint. Lebron has alot of problems with melo and bosh with amare, this is not boston, who is terrible on offense at the moment (cause teams are finally playing off of rondo), but you cant do this against TD and CB. So im more worried with boston d quite frankly, cause its more fundamental and they have KG, who is one man army on d.

by BubbaChuck on Apr 11, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Good analysis

It does look like Shelden Williams has not been getting rebounds lately, but for his career, he’s got a good rebounding per minute average.

I love rebounding and I love great rebounders, and this team is frustrating for me in that regard. But also, D’antoni’s teams tend to have rebounding deficiencies, almost by design. I think he likes to have big guys box out and better ball handlers swoop in and get the rebound because it gets them down the court quicker without the big lumbering fella looking for a guy to hand it off to.

What I look at is not so much individual numbers but how many second chance shots they give up. Some games they allow the other team to take way too many shots and good teams will beat them more often than not if they do that.

The pressure of the playoffs combined with being able to face the same team multiple times sometimes leads to a team being able to step up their game and make great strides. The Knicks will need to do that on defense and offense, plus not get killed on the offensive boards to win the series. But they do have at least 3 guys that know how to play in the playoffs. And I think that both the Celtics and Heat have issues that can be exploited.

by fuhry on Apr 11, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

With the premise of how many second shots they give up as a team. Regardless of what they do on an individual level, as a team they need to become a better rebounding team. I think that can happen without any major scheme adjustment if Amar’e and ’Melo simply learned to box out. But they had too many instances of missed box outs against the Sixers and many more throughout the season.

With the pace the Knicks play at too, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot of opponent’s offensive rebounds either, but when opposing teams are gathering in a third of their missed shots, that’s a problem.

With the playoffs, the Knicks have at least two guys who can play well in the postseason. ‘Melo, aside from his 2009 series’ against Dallas and New Orleans, has a habit of losing focus in postseason, degenerating the offense and launching forced one-on-one attacks at the rim. Aside from his ability to get to the rim, he’s always come across as somebody who gets easily rattled by the postseason.

But you’re right, the Heat and especially Celtics have issues that are exploitable. Best of luck to your Knicks in their attempt to take advantage!

by Erick Blasco on Apr 11, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You thought this out but there is a flaw in your logic. Considering the Celtics and the Heat.

Number one the Celtics are now a finesse team not a power team. As a result the have been out rebounded in 12 of their last 19 games (8 by double digits) losing 10. The Knicks actually fair well against finesse teams who cannot destroy them on the boards. When the Knicks are -4 or better on the boards they have a 36-6 record this season. Secondly the Celtics are not playing elite defense at the moment. Teams are shooting 47% against them in their last 20 games. When the knicks shoot 45% or above this season their record is 28-9. As for the Celtics collective wisdom, yes their core has been there and done that, but they are struggling their as well. In their last 20 games the Celtics assists are down from 26 to 18 while their turnovers have gone up from 12 to 16 a game. Thus the Celtics are actually more prone to beat themselves than they have in the past.

As for the Heat, here is the problem. The heat Iso more than any team in the league except the Hawks. While the Knicks are a poor defensive team, they actually do a good job against isolations. hence the Hawks anemic point production even in their wins against the Knicks, and the difficulty the heat have had scoring in their recent contests with the Knicks. Right now both teams match up very well for the Knicks, will we play well enough on our end to beat them? Remains to be seen that is why they play the games. However neither team is invincible against us.

by Robert Curre on Apr 11, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

We struggle to defend the PNR because D'Antoni prefers to us the "Zone over" scheme

Which in theory should actually be very successful in defending the PNR but is an extremely complicated scheme and if one guy is out of position or makes a mistake it does not work. This is a case of the right scheme but not enough time to implement it. It took the pre-trade team training camp plus 40 something games to really do it correctly. This team struggles as well to do it right. But it is the right defensive scheme especially for a small team. Zone over should force a jump shot or have the roll man surrounded where strips and offensive fouls can occur. We did a decent job of it against Orlando and it did help slow Dwight down, who previously seemed to get a dunk on every PNR.

by Robert Curre on Apr 11, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni

If he held players more accountable for their defense, you’d see the Knicks playing better defense. You don’t need great personnel to play great defense, and you don’t need a great amount of time either.

by Erick Blasco on Apr 11, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But remember, the Celtics have a history of coasting during the second halves of seasons and turning things on in the playoffs. They looked horrendous last season if you remember before morphing into the Celtics of 2008 once the postseason started.

The attention to detail is still there for the Celtics, and few coaches gameplan as well as Rivers does. The problems you mentioned the Celtics have are still real and the Knicks should be able to score well enough and not get destroyed on the boards to win a few games. But it’s a tall order asking such an imbalanced Knicks team to win four games against Boston.

Especially when considering that two of Boston’s main weaknesses, in my opinion, have been their inability to set sturdy screens for Ray Allen to come around when KG and Glen Davis isn’t on the floor, and an inability to incorporate Jeff Green. The Knicks will still need to be alert on weak-side screens to cover Allen (something their bigs aren’t great at recognizing), and the Knicks’ bench isn’t good enough to take advantage of the Celtics bench with Green.

I’d be very surprised if the Knicks found a way to consistently score on the Heat and win even low-scoring games. Miami’s defense is solid. They defend screen/rolls very well, their rotations are on point, and they have the personnel to match up with Melo and Amar’e one-on-one. While I can see the Celtics struggling and the Knicks shooting well enough to perhaps steal a series with Boston, there are very few scenarios I can think of where the Knicks knock off the Heat.

by Erick Blasco on Apr 11, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the breakdown, but not the conclusion

Enough people have already made the points I would make so I won’t repeat all of that. It’s a detailed breakdown with both good and bad.

My question is with the “success rate”. Your title seems to conclude an unsuccessful short run in the playoffs… which is not entirely different than many of us think. However, I think a championship is not the end all success for us at this point. Eventually, yes, but right now thsi is still a growing, gelling team. We are still learning how to play with one another (no homo) and while we DO have a significant core of Stoudemire, Anthony, & Billups, I think it is early to say we are ready for a title shot. The pieces are certainly in place (though a legit center-sized player is a must, along with some reserve upgrades).

Now, if we had begun this year with Anthony and Billups at the helm, then yes, I would be looking for the Knicks to make a very deep playoff run. As such, to me, success is partly making the playoffs (done) and getting out of the 1st round. The Celtics (or Heat for that matter) certainly present very difficult tasks, but should we send the Celtics home early (and i think we definitely are capable), then anything further would be gravy.

You certainly bring up fair points though

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Apr 12, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

You Know

I would guess that the Knicks would be better off (not this year but going forward) with a different point guard. I don’t think Billups fits the Knicks mold at all. While he had success in the Sixers game and I don’t have overall data, he’s not a great screen/roller player in terms of turning the corner. I think he’s clearly a step behind on defense and he has stickier fingers than he gets acknowledged for. I think the point guard position is one place where the Knicks will need to upgrade going forward, not that Billups is a bad player, but I don’t think he’s a perfect fit for the offense the way, say, Felton was.

I think regardless of anything, and speaking not as a Knick fan (I’m not), based on my preseason expectations of the Knicks, they’ve had a successful season. The purist in me abhors the ‘Melo-’Mire tandem going forward and I’m going to be very critical going forward, but I do see Amar’e playing okay defense. If Carmelo can improve his vision and be more unselfish while becoming consistently adequate on defense, then I’ll be more optimistic about the Knicks future. But based on the track records of the two stars, I’m not going to go there until I see it. I see Amar’e trying. Let me see it with ’Melo too.

Thanks for the post. I do think a legit sized center is one area the Knicks need to go if they abandon spread screen/roll and also they do need bench upgrades, you’re spot on.

by Erick Blasco on Apr 12, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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