The Knicks will start the playoffs on Sunday night, in orange socks.
by Seth on Apr 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT
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PrintFirst of all, the Knicks and Celtics tip off on Sunday night at 7 PM. I'M SO EXCITED. Now, of the utmost importance...
The Knicks' shaved heads were one of my elementary school self's favorite parts of the mid-'90s playoff runs. Even in some ugly moments, they looked cool as HELL. I was kind of hoping they'd bring that tradition back this time around, but alas, it is no more. They do have something planned, though. Via Alan Hahn:
I'll share a small bit of news on this front that was initially passed to me last night that I was able to later confirm: the Knicks will be doing a little something different with their playoff look. While black socks/black sneakers are a given (and no longer a special thing because everyone's doing it), at home games the Knicks will wear orange socks.
Yes, orange.
We all know how much I love orange. And when I say love, I mean absolutely hate. Orange socks were ordered and just arrived at the Garden on Tuesday. The expectation is that the Knicks will be rocking orange socks for Game 3 at the Garden.
Perhaps the only fitting characteristic about orange in this case is that it clashes with green, and, well, isn't the the idea?
(One note before we move on: Bill Walker thinks barber's clippers are "unsanitary".)
Like Hahn, I am pretty anti-orange. My high school's lacrosse team or football team or something used to wear all orange (we were also orange and blue) for big games, and it didn't look the least bit intimidating. It just made me hungry for cheez doodles. I'm in favor of chromatic solidarity, though, and I just might buy some orange socks m'self. If I may, though, some other ideas:
- Goggles for everybody!
- No shoes.
- No socks.
- No showering.
- Capes.
- Full-body orange spandex.
- Everybody get eye stitches like Carmelo Anthony!
- Mouths covered in cake frosting.
- Facial tattoos of Olive Oyl.
- Fu Man-pubes.
- Point Break-esque masks.
- Sweater boots.
- All green. Camouflage!
- Aladdin Sane face paint.
- Fezzes.
- Wear each other's numbers. Put Jared Jeffries in #1 so he draws double teams!
No? Fine. Orange socks it is. OH MY GOD I'M SO EXCITED.
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Cant be hatin on the orange Seth!
"I've got this Err"
by Gelatin on Apr 13, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Playoff BEARDS!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Apr 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
If you don’t want Andy Rautins to play, you can just say so.
by superturboultra on Apr 13, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always thought that would be a good strategy.
Imagine being posted up by a guy who smells like a week’s worth of swamp-ass?
Wait, does this explain Amar’e’s defense?
Ha! I remember starting to Photoshop Garnett in front of Allen
before I realised I actually had work to do and it might be better to wait & see how the season panned out.
A little less time to wait now :-)
Hey flossy, I never really paid much attention to stuff like PER and TS until you and few other followers kept trying to beat it into me...when comparing who was better Amare or dirk...and a few things i noticed about how flawed this system is:
TS=True Shooting Percentage – what a player’s shooting percentage would be if we accounted for free throws and 3-pointers. True Shooting Percentage = (Total points x 50) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44)]
PER: Player Efficiency Rating is the overall rating of a player’s per-minute statistical production. The league average is 15.00 every season.
Just to show everyone how flawed these “systems” are:
The TOP 5 TS players are…..Tyson Chandler, Brian Cardinal, Shaquille O Neal, Nene and Deandre Jordan…….some of the ABSOLUTE WORST “shooters” in the league. These guys are higher than Pierce, Ray Allen and Dirk Nowitzki.
PER is only SLIGHTLY more reliable but some MONSTROUS DISCREPANCIES:
Ryan Anderson, Lou Williams and Ramon Sessions have a higher PER than 1)Joakim Noah 2) Tyson Chandler 3)Luis Scola 4) Danny Granger 5) Elton brand 6)david lee..and on and on and on..the list is BEYOND LAUGHABLE.!
For flossy: Kevin Love has a higher PER by a bigger amount against Dirk Nowitzki than Dirk Nowitzki has against Amare Stoudemire…click on above link to see for yourself.
Zach Randolph has a higher PER than Carmelo Anthony. You guys remember Zach, the guy that took the Knicks to the Eastern Conference Finals a few years ago?
earl boykins and chris wilcox have MUCH higher PER than Wilson, Gallo, rondo….i mean you people get the picture..
PER is HIGHLY MISLEADING. Should not be quoted like bible.
So to flossy and all those who are vociferous advocates of PER and TS:
I respectfully disagree with you people. But just because Nowitzki’s PER is a “half a point” higher than Stoudmire means LESS THAN NOTHING and just because Nowitzki has higher “TS%” means is ASTRONOMICALLY MEANINGLESS. I think Amare is a better player for many reasons that don’t show up on the box score and don’t necessarily translate well into concrete units of value. As Kevin Bacon said in his opening argument in A Few Good Men. “These are the facts of the case and they are indisputable.”
TS and PER
This is why you need to use common sense. Yes, those guys have the highest TS%, but they also have the highest FG%. However, since they are low usage players and don’t score much, they don’t have the highest PERs.
If you are looking at PERs, they are fairly representative of how much a player helped offensively, but obviously can’t factor in defensive ability very well, or charges taken, or offensive movement, or screens.
You can look at PER for vs. PER against, but then still consider if the player is matched up against good or bad players. And you can look at things like adjusted plus minus to see how the team does while on the floor, and off the floor.
Consider everything and use common sense. If someone loses every major comparison, he’s probably worse overall.
You mind not ruining this thread and posting this in a fanpost so you can argue?
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by Jeterian 2 on Apr 13, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This argument got old yesterday bro!
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Wow, you are a fucking psychopath
A belligerent troll with some pathological need to have the last word in every possible debate, to the extent that you will drag up an argument that from about half a dozen posts ago and pollute an unrelated post with your semi-literate rantings.
The truly pathetic thing is that despite the fact that you have obviously been obsessing over this for the past 24 hours, you still have not managed to figure out how these statistics work or even what the difference is between "good shooter" and efficient scorer. I am not, really, I am not going to let this escalate into another back and forth because I simply refuse to waste my afternoon giving you the satisfaction of refuting your ass-backwards arguments.
So here is one final word of advice: get a fucking clue before you try to make or refute a statistical argument. It’s really not too much to ask.
Think about what scoring efficiency actually means. Consider the possibility that simply organizing all NBA players by true shooting percentage will tell you nothing, because it will include players who have played so few minutes that the sample size is hopelessly small, or players who shoot so infrequently that the fact that they score efficiently is meaningless. So, here is a list of NBA players ranked by true shooting percentage, excluding players who have played under 2000 minutes this season or who have a usage of less than 20% (i.e. they take less than 1/5 of their team’s shots when on the floor). Hey, what do you know… it’s a list of the NBA’s most efficient scorers! And here is this year’s PER rankings, with the same exclusions. What do you know… it’s a list of the NBA’s best players! Crazy!!
Metrics like TS%, PER, etc. are not perfect and nobody has claimed that they are. However, they were developed by people a hell of a lot smarter than you, so if you think anyone will be impressed by what you learned during your night of angry googling, then you have another thing coming. And while those metrics are not the be-all, end-all… when Player A’s PER and true shooting percentage and win shares and adjusted plus/minus etc. etc. are all higher than Player B… than Player A is probably better. As is the case with Dirk Nowitski vs. Amar’e Stoudemire this season.
In conclusion… go shove it up your ass. Don’t thank me for the schooling, as I will not be responding to any further comments from you, because you are insane.
by flossy on Apr 13, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Flossy, I didn't mean to anger you or get you curse at me. But today your singing a different tune only because I exposed the flaws of your PER and TS thesis.
A few additional points brought on by your reply:
1)Judging someone by their +/- is meaingless, unless you factor in the players and system they play with. I think if Amare played with Tyson Chandler his +/- would be much much better than it currently is. Surprised you wouldn’t even entertain this notion.
2) This is what you said:
“because it will include players who have played so few minutes that the sample size is hopelessly small, or players who shoot so infrequently that the fact that they score efficiently is meaningless. So, here is a list of NBA players ranked by true shooting percentage, excluding players who have played under 2000 minutes this season or who have a usage of less than 20% (i.e. they take less than 1/5 of their team’s shots when on the floor). Hey, what do you know… it’s a list of the NBA’s most efficient scorers! And here is this year’s PER rankings, with the same exclusions. What do you know… it’s a list of the NBA’s best players! Crazy!!”
Few quick subsantial discrepancies: According to the list you just linked : 1) lebron james, 2))dwight howard are “truer shooters” than Nowitzki and a whole host of others..
2)wesley matthews and Eric Gordon is a “truer shooter” than melo, Deron, Granger, Rose….and countless other examples.
3)The argument was about how to assess a players total value. In this regard I mostly agree with what you said today. Your only remaining defect is your insistence on using “team statistics” like +/- and “win-shares” as a way to judge a players individual performance. Thats like juding a pitcher’s abilities by his W/L record without factoring in his ERA, the defense he plays in front of, and the bullpen that supersedes him.
To Recap: Amare compared to Dirk for 2010-2011 averages more PPG, RPG and my personal observations suggests he is better defensively as well. Your argument YESTERDAY was Dirk is betteer because of PER and TS win shares and +/-..I am happy that you qualified your opinion a little more today and at least acknowledged the fallibilities of PER and TS. I just wish you didn’t have to get so upset and yell profanities.
Hi, Seth
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by Thelonious Dunk on Apr 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I just have to say
Dirk is better. He really should rebound more, but he plays on an awful team, and is the only guy who can score. He’s triple teamed every time he gets the ball, but still makes shots and spreads the floor for everyone else. His defense has improved through the years, and he hardly ever makes dumb plays. It’s just unfortunate he still takes so many long 2s instead of 3s. Without Dirk, the Mavs are a lottery team, Tyson Chandler wouldn’t be able to do anything, Jason Kidd would be out of the league, and Mark Cuban would be overpaying someone.
Orange Clashes With Green: LETS DO THIS
Hey Seth, I know you hate orange, man. but Coach “D” had his best years with the Phoenix ORANGE…so maybe….it will bring him some luck with these Knicks….maybe…maybe…maybe?
No luck all skill!!!
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thank you
for re-enforcing the idea that the Knicks need to never wear their green and orange jerseys ever again.
I root for the Knicks, Mets and Giants, as well as the Seahawks and Mariners. Am I anti-winning?!?
Knicks should never wear green
and their Spanish name should be Los Pantalones, along with Nueva York
So the league thinks 76ers/Heat is more interesting than Knicks/Celts, it seems
Just judging from the time slots.
Have you guys submitted your series predictions yet? I have Celtics in 6 or 7; I think that’s fair. Wouldn’t at all be surprised if Knicks won, though. Would be shocked if either Knicks or Celtics win in less than 6. I’m expecting a close, hard fought series. Here’s what I’m thinking:
Game 1 – Celts
Game 2 – Knicks
Game 3 – ? — reeeally tough call, I’ll go w/ Knicks — and if this happens, the hype meter around the tri-state will explode
Game 4 – Celts
and then it’s a three-game series. Actually, I can’t seriously expect Celts to win games 4,5 and 6, so I should get real and say Celts in 7, I guess (even though my gut doesn’t tell me that). What do you think? I think for the Knicks to win, they need to take game 1 because I can’t see them overcoming a series deficit. I think the Celtics’ confidence might be shaken right now, and if they win Game 1 (especially if it’s convincing), they essentially might get their mojo back. Plus the Celtics’ sudden lack of size is mitigated by, well, the Knicks unsudden lack of size. Basically I think the Knicks have to hit first and get the k.o. before the opponent snaps out of its funk. Should be fun. Good luck.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
well....
the Knicks -Celts are on at 7PM on Sunday….I think that’s considered the PRIME primetime spot…
They haven't scheduled them yet, so we won't be the only Sunday game.
But the league knows Boston/New York is big ratings. That’s a good slot to be in.
Using slices of orange for mouthguards.
Don’t pretend like you’ve never done it.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Apr 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
ive bitten into a bagel...
and used that as my mouth guard for junior high football team… lol
"If it ain't broke, don't break it." -Charles Oakley
by Tony Marciano on Apr 13, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
what if we wore our green jerseys too
and confuse the hell outta everybody.. who knows rondo may even set jared jeffries up for some open lay ups by accident
by the_knicks_are_back on Apr 13, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
wouldn’t help us. JJ would inevitably miss them
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
What if we had Jeffries shoot on the other basket? All we’d have to do then is… get a rebound…
by superturboultra on Apr 13, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yahoo sportswriters are simply some of the worst:
Andrew Bynum tweaks his knee yesterday.
Johnny Ludden of Yahoo today writes an 800-word essay and how the Lakers might be doomed, despite the fact that Bynum walked off the court with no discernible limp.
A few hours later Lakers report Andrew has just a bone bruise, will be ready for Game 1. What happens to that 800 word essay? What happened to sticking to newsworthy stories, not jumping the gun and not writing about the obvious? Johnny Ludden of Yahoo “Sports” you are today’s Worst Person in The World.
save it for when Bynum inevitably does hurt his knee badly?
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Laker fan here
Is it bad that this is the first round series I’m looking forward to watching the most?
Leaving Jimmer Fredette open for 3 is like leaving Brad Pitt alone with your wife. You know he's gonna hit it.
can you imagine-
jared jefferies…double teamed
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Turiaf is probably best to start
when he’s healthy he provides the greatest combo of energy, length, safari and competence. She Will is a bit more of a tough SOB, so I like him on the bench.
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