Monday Giant Forest Hogs
Photo: Michell Zappa
Good Monday, marionettes. I was considering giving this post some sort of cute name, like "debriefing" or something, but I just can't stray from these mammals. I love 'em too much. I'm re-watching Knicks-Celtics as I write this, sick puppy that I am, so today's links will include my idle grumblings on the ills of Game One and my hopes for Game Two. (Do you guys capitalize "Game One" and "Game Two"? I do, because I think playoff games are pretty proper. Wait, should I capitalize "Playoff'?)
- Giant Forest Hogs are giant hogs that live in the forest. What?
- Will Leitch gives us "7 Things to Be Happy About" from last night's game. My favorite:
Everyone on the team is now a playoff veteran. When you really break it down ... the Knicks lost last night's game because the Celtics have played dozens of playoff games together, and the Knicks haven't. The Celtics knew what to do down the stretch because they've done it so many times. So, uh, now the Knicks have one more game of playoff experience than they did 24 hours ago. Hey, it's something. Maybe they'll learn to step over Garnett's outstretched foot now, for one thing.
Will's being a little silly, but last night's experience wasn't nothing. We saw some jitters from guys we'd like to contribute, like Landry Fields and Toney Douglas. Both looked completely out of sorts on their first few attempts (which, for Fields, were also his last few). With luck, they'll be a little less rattled at the outset tomorrow. Every possession counts, you know.
- Strange little thing from last night: As Dan Devine pointed out, Anthony Carter claimed the Knicks weren't prepared for the inbound alley-oop to Kevin Garnett. But, um...they probably should have been. I mean, this guy knew about it, and he isn't even employed by the Knicks (quite the opposite).
- The very wise John Schuhmann on the Celtics' D last night.
- Also via Schuhmann, Landry Fields's good work on Ray Allen shows up on paper.
- Shaquille O'Neal won't play tomorrow, to nobody's surprise.
- The Clyde Soundboard! (via Knicks Vision). Also, a very intimate look at Clyde's wardrobe.
- A few other recaps from Knicks blogs that I enjoyed. (Well, not enjoyed...but appreciated?)
- I still haven't read this, but I'm imagining that this GQ piece on Stephon Marbury is pretty good. It's pretty much guaranteed to be.
- Something to think about: Some of our friends from Sactown Royalty would like to organize a rally outside of the NBA Headquarters in New York. (The Kings, of course, are on the precipice of moving to Anaheim). If you're interested in participating or helping to drum up support, alex.kramers@gmail.com is the man to email.
Some stuff from re-watching the game:
- Much is made of Amar'e Stoudemire not getting the touches down the stretch, and for good reason. He was hot as hell. To be fair, though, Amar'e got the ball curling toward the middle with just over 2 minutes left and committed a charge (while kicking out to Toney Douglas, who drained a three that would have put the Knicks up 7. [Vomits]). They ran another curl play for him on the next possession, but Melo's screen wasn't sturdy enough and Amar'e couldn't get open.
- Even at the expense of pushing the pace, Rajon Rondo needs to be boxed out. I said this in the recap, but Chauncey Billups made the mistake (well, he may have been instructed to do this) of releasing on the shot while Rondo lingered around the free throw line to snaggle long rebounds a few times. To be fair, certain bounces might give the Knicks a good fast break opportunity the other way in that scenario, but we'd probably prefer that possession just be secured.
- Amar'e Stoudemire can blow right by Kevin Garnett. Seriously. Whenever he wants. It's just a matter of picking spots and not dribbling directly into help defense (or at least making the appropriate pass when doing so).
- Pretty much every time Ronny Turiaf set a screen in the first half, good things happened. They ran some great plays with Amar'e on the strong side or at least within passing distance of the ball-handler, and it never ended in anything less than a foul. The Celtics stepped up their defense on this particular play in the second half by hedging much harder on the ballhandler. Still, it would have been cool to see them run that play (with Amar'e or Melo as a decoy. That's crucial) more often in the second half, and not with Jared Jeffries. I'd even give Shelden Williams a run in that set. He's shown that he can draw fouls and pop out to hit a mid-range J.
- Never help off Ray Allen on the perimeter. Never ever ever ever ever ever.
- Most of Jermaine O'Neal's offensive rebounds were Amar'e Stoudemire's fault. Amar'e kept getting wedged wayyy under the basket. Sometimes it was because O'Neal got a bit handsy, but usually it was just due to Stoudemire's tendency to go limp and leave his hands by his sides on the defensive glass. O'Neal tied the game with just over a minute to play because of this very tendency.
- Speaking of which, Turiaf played stellar defense on two late possessions in which he and Carmelo Anthony were "forced" to switch (Melo's switch threshold is pretty low). On one, Pierce hit an incredibly difficult fall-away. On another, he missed a fall-away with Turiaf's hand in his face (which, as mentioned above, O'Neal put back). Again, if the Knicks won, I might have bought a Ronny Turiaf jersey last night.
That is all. WIN GAME TWO.
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I just hope Turiaf doesn't injure an ankle getting milk from his goats
I also hope that the cheese he’ll inevitably makes with said milk ends up on a plate of mine. Perhaps with some honey and some fine, crusty bread.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
also I think there's even bigger hogs in Russia's forests
something about only the largest ones surviving their chilly winters and that no one in their right mind, or Russian mind, will venture out into the forest to hunt them.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Come on now Double J didn't do anything to hurt the team yesterday
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
he did a great job yesterday
Victory goes to the courageous!!
i agree good screening. some offensive boards
thats just how he should play to contribute.
by Teutoknicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Really if there's one series Jeffries should play, its against the Celtics
they don’t have that dude at the 4 spot who’s a slashing 3 in a 4’s body (pause). Jeff Green just isn’t enough to give a shit about, at least right now.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
JJ played great d against rondo
just needed to work harder on d and rebounding. knicks got smacked with all those offensive rebounds.
"the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be."
by mindcontrolproject on Apr 18, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Stat just posterize KG over and over.
Let’s make them miss Perk. More power moves in the paint. Can O’Neal really keep this up?
And Ray Allen definitely fouled Melo on the last shot.
We got fucked in all orfaces last night. And we STILL almost won.
by Crackback on Apr 18, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fuck them All
Fuck Ray Allen and Fuck KG, Fuck Rhondo, double fuck Pierce and fuck Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and while we are at it fuck Bill Russel and Red Aurbach. Fuck Bob cousy and Bobby Orr. Fuck the referees and the whole fuckin bunch of them. Fuck Fuck FUCK FUCK
The Landryman can
by YuckFou on Apr 19, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't mean to get all new age on ya
Thinking how sweet all of this will be when we finally pin these aging Bostonian to the proverbial effing wall
by giantg on Apr 18, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Spike Lee just said TDDWTDD on Twitter
Marvelous.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Apr 18, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i've always wondered if Spike reads P&T
I’ve only seen that here, so he must. I bet he’s Dziedzic
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Well I mean it was in a summer league interview
So there’s a chance he saw or heard about it. But it’s way cooler to imagine him lurking these threads!
I'm Spike Lee
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
spike lee has love for fields not mayo
so he is not Dziediec
by Teutoknicks on Apr 19, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Would anyone have had a problem if
Douglas had an LT to Theisman moment when seeing Garnett’s leg all in the way and vulnerable? In the context, would it have been wrong?
by giantg on Apr 18, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Indeed...it could concievably have been the third turnover he got for the Knicks in the 4th on illeagl screens
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
That offensive foul at the end on Anthony
Watch it again, changed the whole outcome of the game. I understand people not wanting to blame the referees in general, but that’s ignorant in this case. Pierce MUGS Anthony when you look at it again. We got robbed.
Tech stuff, primal eating, and most importantly KNICKS: http://twitter.com/giametta88
And garnett tripping douglas
and Pierce touching the rim on the final play
Tech stuff, primal eating, and most importantly KNICKS: http://twitter.com/giametta88
I'm over the bad calls
and they didn’t lose us the game themselves, but a “Don-a-ghy” chant at MSG would still be cool, for principle’s sake
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
IMO
DWTDD made that three at the end. Its not like we lost it outright. I feel bad for our Knicks as they had an unfair disadvantage at the end while playing good ball for most of the game (sans 3rd). I usually can see past the refs but while watching the DVR of this game it’s painfully obvious…
In game 2 we need to anticipate being the underdogs in Boston again. If we foul, foul HARD. None of this touchy touchy game
Tech stuff, primal eating, and most importantly KNICKS: http://twitter.com/giametta88
There were some tough calls for New York at the end.
That offensive foul should not be called in the play-offs. The refs should let the players play. Pierce played aggressive, fully legal defense on Melo. Melo threw his elbow 2 feet in front of the ref. To his credit Pierce didn’t flop or flail. The Refs should’ve let them play but he was technically correct in calling the foul.
Garnett set a good pick. He wasn’t moving and there was no push or an elbow. DWTDD tripped on Garnett’s leg because no other Knick player warned him about the pick as he was chasing after Ray. Besides Ray was losing Douglas all day so it wouldn’t have made any difference as he was a couple of feet behind Ray by the time he tripped.
The commentators pointed out that Melo got away with what would’ve been his sixth foul when he bumped Pierce heavily after the pass. I, personally thought it was a good no-call. After all, this is the play-offs.
Ray did not foul Melo on the last possession. There was no contact on Melo’s shot. Even Melo didn’t complain or even look upset at the no call. He ran the clock down, took the final shot and was just short.
Delonte West should not have been on the court after Ray hit the three and that should’ve been a technical.
Pierce could touch the rim because the Melo’s shot bounced off the front of the rim and thus there was never any time when the ball was in the cylinder and it could’ve be considered interference.
Overall I thought the game was well officiated.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
the truth is we got fucked upa nd this shit is happining to melo from denver days, it is complete bs call to make in a game where phisicality was allowed.
Melo always gets whistled for this kind of fouls, that should be treated like in soccer, flop should mean an unspormanship foul not awarding the player, this is proffesional basketball not mf balet,. And refs areincredibly biased against some players, just look how differently they are treating lebron after the decision. and melo is the same, bacause of his ’’dobious’’ past, golden boy KD gets every mf call outhere. Really some rules and calling is just ridiculos and has way too much influence on the game and more importantly how certian players play, if refs would really allow physical play (as they should) melo would bully pp like a mf, but he knows what will happen.
But all this means very little and knicks have already past that and they have to win despite the reffs.
I'm sure Celtics fans would be just as upset if they had lost, but
let’s try to maintain objectivity. Melo should have no complaints at all with the refs. He gets to the line an average of 7.9 times per game. What about when Carmelo played physical defense on the last inbounds play of the Celtics? No fouls were called despite Carmelo running into Pierce while they were both moving. The difference is Pierce didn’t throw an elbow.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
To his credit Pierce didn’t flop or flail
well I guess he gets no credit, cuz dude obviously sold that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I understand it was a tough call for Knicks fans.
An elbow from a 6ft 9in 250 pound guy, and Pierce barely backed off after the contact. He was trying to not give Melo space to shoot, not fall to the ground looking for a charge.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
he uh...flailed excessively
Knicks fans and basically everyone who’s not a C’s fan agrees that Pierce sold that call.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
"Because no other Knick warned him"
come on buddy. If doesn’t matter now, but if KG’s feet were set shoulder-width, you’d have a point. However, his feet were set like 8’ wide. It was a bullshit play by a tired old man.
Your boys are gonna catch a savage beating tonight though, I’m lookin forward to it.
Fuck his split. He stuck his leg into TD’s leg. He was never set.
by Crackback on Apr 19, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well now you’re just making things up…
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no need to
shit went down
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
In order to set a good pick,
the first rule is to have a wide stance so you can maintain your balance and hold your position. There is absolutely NO rule that says you have to keep your feet at shoulder length. Of course KG’s feet will be wide. He’s 7 ft. He established position way before Douglas got there, it was a perfect example of a good pick.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's great that you are confident in your team!
It should be a good game. I’ll take the Celtics by double digits.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
saw someone leave this comment on the Leitch article:
“I used to respect Garnett, but he really is just a dirty dirty player. We need Oakley for a one day contract to deck him.”
by ubd on Apr 18, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
charles oakley, where art thou?
"the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be."
by mindcontrolproject on Apr 18, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
in charlotte shaping kwame brown up
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Game 2 is a must
I have a feeling Toney Douglas will have a big game
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Apr 18, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
Nope...
Still not Tuesday yet……
"I've got this Err"
by Gelatin on Apr 18, 2011 6:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
stylin' and profilin'!
"the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be."
by mindcontrolproject on Apr 18, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody seen JO draped in ice all over his body?
like his whole body practically encased in wraps of ice on the benhc.. yeah I highly doubt he can keep this up
by the_knicks_are_back on Apr 18, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
anyone else watching the refs give the Bulls this game?
phantom offensive foul against the Pacers and Foster getting blatantly shoved out of bounds as the ball hit him, and they give the Bulls the ball.
I think the Knicks game was ticky tack, but largely could’ve gone either way or some shit just got missed like the obvious Garnett foul on Ray’s 3pt winner. But this Pacers game is obviously just forcing the Bulls to win
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
course as I write that
Rose fouls AJ Price on a 3
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 19, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It's silly fuckin' shit is what that is
3 blown calls in a row. When Rose was called for that foul while homeboy was shooting the 3, all Rose did was try and get by him, but homeboy came down and put his hands on Rose. I mean, how does someone put there hands on YOU and THEY get called for the foul? Weird shit..
DWTDD Presses the steal button!
Rose clearly hit Price’s wrist with his hand on his contest.
by Yogesh Raghunathan on Apr 19, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that was a clear foul on Rose
and, by the way, a MVP PG should never have a sub-1:1 ast/TO ratio in a playoff game, or ever
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
yea. he shouldn't.
But rose won that game hands down. Box score or not. Hes mvp.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Apr 19, 2011 4:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm.. really close
Yes. After seeing more replays from different angles it was definitely a foul on Rose. The REFs are still stupid!
DWTDD Presses the steal button!
It's games like this that make me go check the over/under.
Nah ref it’s cool. Jeff Foster makes it a habit to dive into the stanchion instead of going for the rebound. He’s just funny like that.
This outcry over the refs has become an annual thing. Hint, hint Stern. Stop protecting these incompetents.
The fix couldn't be in could it?
Hello paging Tim Donnally
by Robert Currence on Apr 19, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Its finally Tuesday…thank goodness…
"I've got this Err"
by Gelatin on Apr 19, 2011 1:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
toosday...toosday.....toosday
Toosday, toosday, toosday……*norbit
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Apr 19, 2011 4:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I feel bad for Sacramento fans
but moving is good for the franchise. How are you going to attract FAs to Sactown? Both the current LA franchises have great attendance, regardless of LAC’s record. What the Kings can do is basically force Sterling to pay up or lose his business to a team actually trying to win
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Apr 19, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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