7SoM: Webisode 29, Jared Jeffries' Defense
by gian casimiro on Apr 21, 2011 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintJared Jeffries is perhaps second to Carmelo Anthony as the most polarizing player on the Knicks' roster. He's the team's most versatile and (since Ronny Turiaf is forever injured) best defender but his box scores are generally empty and he has the hand strength of Hanson. His purpose is often misunderstood and, on nights like Game 2 when he flubs the final possession, it's easy to make him the scapegoat.
That makes for good, angry radio talk but truth is the game wouldn't have been competitive without his defensive contributions. For the series, with Jeffries on the floor, the Celtics' offensive rating (points per 100 possessions) is 97.8. That's a full 8.4 points less than their season average. For comparison's sake, they only score 0.5 points less when Turiaf's in the game. And during the regular season the C's were 15 points off their average with Jeffries on the floor. That is an astronomical number that translates to game tape.
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Pringles gets the most out of Jeffries
and he’s starting to look like that player we traded away a year ago. His speed and quickness at that size really helps against the Cs, and his smarts on the D end are getting back into focus.
His defense was inevitably going to get back to what it was as soon as he started gelling with the squad. But his offense is what it is, and like we saw that game its tough to hide on a basketball court.
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Great Video
Nice to see Jeffries getting credit for some of his more subtle contributions.
There's no mention about how the Knicks offense compares
Is it -15 per 100 possessions? Is 4 games enough comparison?
Regular season 5 man units:
Amar’e, Melo, Billups, Fields and Turiaf: Offensive Rating: 105.29, Defensive Rating: 107.33
Amar’e, Melo, Billups, Fields and Jeffries: ORtg: 121.37, DRtg: 109.77
by gian casimiro on Apr 21, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
in what, 10 minutes?
That says the Knicks defense is worse with Jeffries. These stats are worthless.
Oh, sorry.
You asked about the offense and the defense. With Jeffries it’s a net of +11.6 per 100 possessions, with Turiaf it’s a net -2.04.
by gian casimiro on Apr 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And in 47 minutes
Felton-Chandler-Gallinari-Stoudemire-Turiaf was 130-107.
Jeffries was +5 last year and -1 the year before. I’m not convinced.
That's fair.
But you’re also comparing it with a better defending 1, 2 and 3.
Are you saying that you’re not convinced that Jeffries is a better defender than Turiaf? Cause I don’t believe Jeffries is a better defender for traditional matchups either. I’m just saying that Jeffries is more versatile on that side of the ball and that Turiaf is never healthy enough to rely on over the course of a year or even game by game.
by gian casimiro on Apr 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced that Jeffries should play except for a limited time if the defense is getting abused
Since he can step in, take a charge, and turn the momentum. But there’s no way he can do more than any other NBA player in any aspect of the game. I think any other Knick would have been able to score from Jeffries’ spot the last two possessions. It’s also outrageous that the Knicks didn’t help Jeffries on Garnett in that late play.
Mindfeck you would lose your bet since the last three shots not taken by Jeffries missed
and missed badly. Hell Jeffries save our bacon a couple of times down the stretch. When mason blew that layup who was there Jeffries that is who. When Douglas missed his jumper who tapped the ball back out to give us another shot Jeffries that is who. And actually give Garnett credit on that last possession he made two great plays. First he made up considerable ground on Jeffries in a hurry. In fact if jeffries did go up for the shot Garnett probably blocks it since he had a good angle with his length Remember KG has a damn near 8ft wingspan! then he showed incredible reflexes to steal jeffries pass which if he didn’t would have hit Bill Walker running free to the front of the rim for a dunk! instead of bashing Jeffries or asking why D’Antoni had him on the floor, let’s give credit where it is due. Garnett is a great player and he made a great play no more no less. He prevented what would have been an uncontested layup and stole a pass that would have led to a dunk! If Jeffries makes either play, like I said in Seth’s recap we would be sucking his dick and calling Pringles a great coach for sticking with him!
by Robert Curre on Apr 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I said score from Jeffries' spot
Not score from where the other guys were. Everyone the Knicks had on the court except Carmelo were poor shooters taking low percentage shots. You don’t praise the coach if one of them gets lucky.
of course not
you (collective you, not just you) never praise the coach for anything
just blame him for everything.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I frequently praise D'Antoni
For his offense that usually gets high percentage shots. And for helping players develop their offensive games.
i know you do
the thing that bothers me somewhat is that there is so much flack being thrown to Mike D after game 2…
I really thought he did an INSANLY stupendous job with the team. The mere fact we were in it is crazy. He had those guys playing their asses off and not even coming close to quitting. It seems like that should be given, but we all know its not.
I have read so many posts (not just comments or fanshots… posts!) on other blogs talking aobut how he should be fired (really 1 or 2, I am exaggerating) and just second guessing such mundane things.
If he had put ExtraE in there for JJ at the end, and he messed up people would be screaming “WHY DIDNT HE LEAVE JJ IN! HE WAS HAVING A GREAT GAME!”
Its really mind boggling how people cant just enjoy something.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
JJ was having a great game, but not offensively
You never want to have your final play drawn up for your worst offensive player
coach mda didnt say the play was drawn up for JJ.
in the postgame press conf
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
i really didnt mean to single you out
I sometimes think you are overly critical, but I also think you get way too much flack from people on this site.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
yep, all u heretics should suck jefferies ben gay tube
he kept us in the game period. yeah melo did his thing( which was amazing btw) but JJ worked the defense often guarding 3 individuals on the same god damned possesion!
Now he still sucks of course but u can’t hang this loss entirely on him. If u wanna blame someone, blame dolan. He’s use to it and his money can console him.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Apr 21, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think any other Knick would have been able to score from Jeffries’ spot the last two possessions
Is this whats boiling inside of you still.. Because its clear he had no mention of Jeffries lack of scoring on the last possession.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
you just said Felton, Chandler, Gallinari
Are better than Billups, Fields, Anthony. Since the offense and defense are both better, despite Turiaf.
Gian
I dont place the blame for the game on Jeffries at all. Even if he would have went up with it i doubt he converts that layup. And i have never said that jeffries is useless on the court, as i love his defense. But 10 seconds left, down 1, with the ball; there is no reason to have jeffries on the court. Thats y i dont place any of the blame on jeffries, i just think dantoni should have taken him out of the game for that last offensive possession
And who should D'Antoni have put in?
Shawne Williams? he was cold as ice, Turiaf not much difference there. The fact that Walker played a ton of minutes and D’Antoni even took Roger mason out of moth balls was because he was desparate to find someone anyone who could hit a shot. The sad part is that apart from Melo Jeffries was actually our second best offensive player on the floor in that game. Now next year D’antoni may have some better options should he find himself in a similar circumstance, but for right now he had to go with what he had available, and like it or not, Jeffries was one of the few Knicks in support of Melo who managed to hit a few shots! Really I am betting during timeouts D’antoni snuck a peek at Allan Houston sitting behind the Knicks bench and wished he could get him to suit up! Trust me if the league allowed it, Houston would have been on the floor! that was how desparate D’Antoni was for offense.
by Robert Curre on Apr 21, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeffries totally earned the right to be on the floor at the end.
Everyone already forget without his layup there would be no final possesion for JJ to fail at.
A void? I see no void!
For doing something he gets paid to do but is absolutely terrible at?
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
Well
Jared Jeffries sucks, except for the shots he makes, but we discount those because he sucks, except any time he makes a shot we ignore it, and just focus on how he sucks.
by superturboultra on Apr 22, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He also took a lot more shots
And was terrible in game 1. And makes a lot more money. But yeah, when he’s on, he can play amazing. It’s too bad he was playing with a bunch of scrubs.
melo's terrible game one. vs gallo and chandlers terrible game 2
huge difference. But enough of comparing our old team to our new one man. ITs the playoffs and we’re playing Boston. Talk about it! Daym
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Didn't get a chance to post it after game 2 so I guess now would be a good time:
Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker
Jeffries went 5-7 in Game 2 for a season-high 10 points. He also committed a turnover on the deciding play of the game.
Fun Fact: The Knicks have now lost 6 straight games in which Jeffries scored double figures. The last time they won was on January 13th, 2010, when Jeffries scored 15 points in a 93-92 win over the 76ers.
Home of the Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker
Great stuff as always Gian
Jeffries is a player who will not be respected for what he brings to the table by most Knick fans, because of his lack of an offensive game. However Jeffries does alot of good things on the floor that often go unnoticed. For example whenver players get trapped or pick up their dribbles to early jeffries does a very good job of bailing that guy out. Even when he appears to fail on defense his play is actually pretty good. Like the basket Garnett hit ove him to win the game. Jeffries did everything right on that play he just did not get rewarded for it. Everyone who knows Kg’s game knows that if he gets the ball on the left block as he did on that play KG is more comfortable going baseline and is a much better shooter when he does. Jeffries took away the baseline on KG on that play and turned him back towards the middle where KG is out of his comfort zone. He then bodied KG up as he elevated to take the shot because Garnett has trouble finishing through contact when you force him to shoot over his left shoulder. The fact of the matter is Jeffries forced Garnett into a shot that he probably only hits 3 out of 10 times, unfortunately for Jeffries and us that was one of the times Garnett hit the shot. But hey that is why KG is a future hall of famer.
What?
Nobody on that team crapped their pants. I think Landry Fields and E are the only ones that didn’t step up their games.
by superturboultra on Apr 22, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
This gets a rec. outa me.
o luv these videos. unfortunatley the last couple haven’t returned the favor
Dear FOX... Fire Aikman
Boustun Sux
Souless-a form of gingervitas (red hair and freckles)
Lebron james is a bitch
Game 1 is over-rated. (so is game 2)
lets bring it back to the garden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I too am a consumer of hot pockets
and they come in handy during a hangover or immediately after a drunken escapade with a stripper u lured back to ur place under false pretenses by telling them u were a hip hop producer.
Note: Strippers are not impressed by hot pockets….they apparently prefer fancier cuisine.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Apr 21, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"another tough loss for the celtics on tuesday..."
I wish Gian!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
JARED JEFFRIES
clap clap clapclapclap
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Apr 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
This was really cool
When the game’s on it’s hard to pick up things like Jeffries rushing to help Carter when he’s on Baby, but stuff like that can be critical to a team winning.
I definitely noticed that Jeffries was a lot better on Rondo than Douglas. In the first quarter Rondo got a ton of transition points, and I knew Mike was gonna sic Jeffries on him. He did and Jeffries did a great job of stopping him.
No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face
i think jj played an extremely good game by jj standards
i cant question his defense/ but i dont think he should have been in the last offensive possesion . but i have moved on to game 3 and im ready to see us win in MSG.
by lets go buffalo on Apr 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
let's end the earl baron pining already... i know some people out there want baron
JJ played his butt off good or bad while earl played meaningless games the season before.
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I think Barron chants already ended...
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
not from the comments i've been reading here and there in some posts
Victory goes to the courageous!!
just curious what do you mean by meaningless?
were the opponents we were playing not really trying because it was the end of the yr?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
I totally disagree with this and I put my amateur analysis in the thread "Celtics 96, Knicks 93: “I’m crushed, but I’m still really proud.”
We needed JJ to score because on the earlier possession, KG backed JJ down and shot over him. That was a response to JJ’s layup, which was a response to KG blowing past him and dunking. He fouled Paul Pierce who scored two. Baby had a layup. In the 6 final minutes he replaced Turiaf for, the Celtics totally pushed him around in the paint, and Doc pulled Big Baby for Delonte West – why not? JJ at Center makes KG look like Dwight Howard.
I understand he has his good points, but Amare should be doing what he does while the Center dominates the paint. Thank you Jared Jeffries for reducing Boston scoring. But could you please try and stop Jermaine O’Neal, who beat us up in game 1. Or KG, in game 2? Or stop the Celtics from skipping through our halfcourt when the game is on the line? Or perhaps not make Glen Davis such a distraction to every other position because you have no body? Do you understand, on the whole roster we have one Center. One. Stoudemire is not a Center. The idea that he could be is yet another consequence of picking up Jared. We need a Center. We do not need some long armed undersized Octopus to guard every position and chase after Rondo – JJ looks good doing this only because our team still refuses to play defense. So Mike D’Antoni gambled his chance to get a big Center for a long and quick defensive Forward, and it exploded in our faces when Boston dropped to the third seed on purpose. Like, are you guys watching a different series here? I think it’s fantasy to say that somehow with Jared Jeffries we’ve figured it out against the Celtics. Here’s a reality check. Stoudemire and Anthony have played superstar games against the worst Celtics team in 4 years, and we are 0-2. There’s a reason for that, and it’s not rocket science. We had a Center problem. We did not pick up a Center. We pulled the Boston Centers in the first round. Thus, we are down by two. Any questions?
Mike D’Antoni made the wrong choice, and judging how close these games have been, I actually think that it was this one choice to pick up JJ that doomed us in the Playoffs, and that’s ignoring how the lack of a legit center in March would have affected seeding. Earl Barron could have easily been better in this role. He beats Jeffries on rebounds, 20 points heavier, gets to the line alot where he’s 72%, scores more, and he’s not afraid of KG. He also outscored the rest of his team in 10 minutes against the Celtics this season, and teamed up with Gallo to wreck the Celtics last season. He’s very mediocre, but unlike Jared Jeffries, had the body and rebounds to address the Center problem.
If Shaq plays tomorrow this will become nightmarishly clear.
lol. This guy serious?
We dotn play defense. JJ sucks. We need a center. Amare isnt a center. Boston dropped to third on purpose( i guess after purposely trying to beat the heat in there last contest) CMON man
Is that an analysis or are you still talking about wholes on the roster? We know we have a whole at center.. why you do think Walsh said it the entire rest of the season after the Carter trade? Who was left out there to get? Who would slide into our scheme and have the least learning curve to over come.. who could be the best at switching and matching up with different positions the best? For the low?
Earl Barron was in the D league.. not even being a dominant force there. And couldnt get any more than a 10 day contract from the bucks. Which did NOT get picked up after the 10th day. So dont you think Walsh looked into picking him up but realized he is some shit? Yea he played well for us for 10(?) games… that was then, this is now.
And Dantoni made the choice to pick up JJ? Wow mayne.. you should go play with some coloring books.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
as a sidenote signed by portland and not even getting playing time over cunningham
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Look.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/barron_at_center_of_walsh_attention_iMrqtWsX52QZzB4OXK1C1J
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/walsh_keeping_eye_on_barron_flocuIoGpbOTlaSd2RNQTK
The more you guys try to convince me that JJ was an option over EB, the more you help make my point. Read the article above. Walsh wanted Earl Barron since Valentine’s Day and kept up talks into March.
Shelden Williams started at Center over Jeffries in 6/17 Knicks games since coming with Melo, each was a win. He never played with D’Antoni before, knew nothing about schemes and matchups with D’Antoni, and Mike picked him 6 times over Jeffries and won every time. As you can see from the articles, Earn Barron was under consideration as early as February – WITH Mozgov on the team. Earl Barron played 7 games with D’Antoni and averaged a triple double. Jared Jeffries started 9/24 games this season. D’Antoni had one roster spot in March. We had Ronny and fake Center Shelden. We lost Mozgov and Randolph and we really, really needed a big man. Walsh had Barron lined up, but Mike wanted JJ.
You may be right about one thing, and that’s who would slide in our scheme. I think D’Antoni wanted a quick and lean PF who expends all his energy on defense and covers the lack of team defense, to having a Center that covers Center make Melo and Stat blow energy on both ends. JJ does this well, and he will always have defensive highlights. But leaving Jeffries to make up for Melo and Stat’s mistake is toxic to our defense. Even more tragic, they started playing team defense now, and JJ can’t match up with O’Neal, Baby, or KG. Because, JJ can guard three guys at once at make a highlight video, but he can’t stop A SINGLE legit PF or Center one-on-one…oh and in case you forget, Boston has more legit big men than anyone in the East. I mean, putting JJ on Rondo would have been creative if it had worked. It didn’t. We lost Game 2 for one reason – JJ lost the last three possessions in a Power Forward Battle with KG. He got dunked on. KG posted him and dropped in a baby jumper. It wasn’t playoff basketball, it was playground schooling. Watch the last 6 minutes, it wasn’t just the fumble. I mean, Doc Rivers pulled Baby for West with the game on the line, what does that tell you about the big man matchups? This confirms what every Knicks and Rockets fan has always known – JARED JEFFRIES IS THE WORST POWER FORWARD IN THE LEAGUE. And we picked him up when we needed a Center.
I keep saying this…Earl Barron is just ok…I don’t want to talk about him ever again after we get a Center this summer…but we are 20th in Rebounding…our defense was and is a league-wide joke. We lost Game 1 because nobody stop Jermaine O’Neal. We lost Game 2 because without Turiaf or Stat, nobody could stop KG. Earl Barron played solid defense against the Celtics, the Magic, and the Heat last year. He outdefended Dwight Howard in the Magic game – 9 defensive rebounds, two blocks on Jameer Nelson. He DID get picked up for another 10 games, played 20 games in Milwaukee and got picked up by a Western Conference Playoff team. Where would Jeffries be without D’Antoni???
Also, Barron was a D-League All-Star, and on the Miami Heat when Wade and Shaq won it all as a rookie.
by east_harlem on Apr 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We know walsh looked into barron.
It was slim pickings for a center.. but if he was such a landslide that barron was better. He would have grabbed him if he was that much better. Reason he “gave” MDA the choice is because Walsh said Fuck it. they both arent goign to bring any game changing effect. – We all know what barron did here last year. and that he got a free ring in Miami. But making arguement of what barron would have done vs what JJ does is like trying to decide which kool aide to buy. The name brand or the off brand. There isnt much differnce man.
And honestly.. I feel you are wasting too much internet space writing about him :)
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
actually
not a fair comparison. It should be the red kook aide or the purple. Not name brand vs off brand.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Ok you fixed it
cuz Flavor-aid couldn’t hold a candle to Kool-Aid (at least not when I was a kid).
Red or purple? Such disrespect! Everyone knows that CHERRY and GRAPE with their clearly distinct flavors, were you’re every day beverages. Whereas Lemonade and Tropical Punch were served on special occasions. smh
lmao.. disrespect?
Everyone who drank kool aide knows that cherry and grape werent the flavors….its was Red or Purple!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Crayola has a color called grape purple. It’s not actually made of grapes either.
by superturboultra on Apr 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
crayola
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
If Jeffries didn’t ruin my life this past Sunday to the praise of Knicks fan everywhere, I would not be writing at all.
Jared Jeffries had 2.8 rebounds per game this season. Toney Douglas had 3 rebounds per game. Think about that for a minute.
Barron – 3.6.
Per 36: Barron – 9.0. Jeffries – 6.9.
And Knicks fans are treating him like he’s defensive player of the year. We are 0-2 against the worst version of the KG Celtics and we have no control over our paint. If Barron had done nothing but run next to Jermaine O’Neal for 23 minutes, we would have won Game 1. JJ had a great Game 2 so it’s hard to guess. But again, Celtics won off of 6 minutes of KG bullying JJ, and we have evidence that KG doesn’t bully Earl Barron.
by east_harlem on Apr 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
that was one game where barron played decent against KG.
And per 36 means very little.. you can have a bench guy (who barron is) log about 8.7 pts per game while only averaging 12 mins..on AVERAGE. does that mean hes a given for fillin stats at 26 pts a game? Not at all.
Im with you on beign hurt from that last play. But JJ did much more than guard KG, and as much to the dismay oof your feelings.. we wouldnt have even been within reach of winning that game if it wasnt for the play of JJ. Melo 1, JJ 2 in players of importance in game 2. The vid above was just a few of the plays JJ changed directly.. he did a lot indirectly too. Would barron have been a better fit? Who fuckin knows honestly..but we can rest assure barron wasnt going to do much better than JJ.
Barron brings what turiaf does with more of a baby midrange. JJ brings more hustle..and most importantly matchup versatility. He can guard pgs, to some centers. Did KG post him up and score at the end? yea.. but its fucking kg, he still does that againt many good nba players.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Very reasonable comment. We can agree to disagree.
It was one game, but it was a rare game…how many power forwards have almost singlehandedly choked out the Celtics’ (with Perkins) like that on both ends of the court? There was actually another game – when the Bucks get shellacked in Boston, he came in for 10 minutes, grabbed a defensive board and dunked on Green for an And-1, went back and laid it over Jeff Green for another And-1. Dropped two J’s and went out with a team-high 10 points. It’s only two games, but the difference in confidence is striking. Those are two games when nobody else on his team was doing much at the time and Barron stole the paint from the Celtics. Nobody can show me any similar performance from JJ against champion defense.
There’s plenty of reasons not to like Barron, I’m not arguing with that. But again I just think it was criminal not to go for someone who could at least match Turiaf’s size and numbers – he’s our only C and he’s always injured. Even if Turiaf was solid, Barron would’ve increased our height ceiling. The fact is sometimes you just NEED a big guy with minimal NBA numbers, and I think it was stupid not to realize the risk that with JJ taking the roster spot and Turiaf’s health, we could get caught too small. Look, JJ had a great Game 2. But his problems guarding 4 and 5 weren’t just in the KG matchup. Where were the Carmelo screens? Why were the Celtics so comfortable leaving JJ open, allowing the double teams that shut him down in the end? Why was Rondo raping us for the first few minutes? What he did do on defense, which wasn’t enough anyway, didn’t make up for his offensive negatives. Again, the stats tell you he had a stellar game. But the L is really all you need to know.
Game 1 JJ was a non-factor, I’m convinced Barron could’ve made a 4 point different guarding Jermaine O’Neal. We can agree to disagree on Barron, but I’m not having this pro-Jeffries talk. He cost us these games, there’s no doubt about it.
agree 2 dissagree
Barron def is a better matchup for oneal. But if im coach.. i pick JJ checkign rondo vs getting barron for oneal.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
If I’m coach, we practice defensive sets every day since Melo shows up! And none of this days off shit cuz of traffic, practice in the Garden! If the Rangers don’t like it they can go to Rockefeller Center
i think about that pic everytime i see an internet battle
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Yeah but he did pull down 13 in the finale.just sayin
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Earl at the end of this season
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Oh, right. You know what, there’s something else I forgot to mention that’s been lurking in my subconcience. The Indiana Pacers have been fouling the hell out of Derrick Rose to shut down his offense. His offense slowed down and as a result Kyle Korver and others had to step up. There’s been a back and forth after Scottie Pippen started telling the Bulls to foul back. He’s not talking about Derrick Rose fouling back. Every team with a star needs an enforcer…somebody who can help protect the star in case the other team starts fouling to cool the guy down or at worst injure him. In many ways this is the reason why Ron Artest gets to be a Laker. Think of Rodman with the Bulls. Ok, I’ll cut the crap, the example is of course Shaq who may or may not be playing tomorrow. He was enforcer to Kobe, Wade, Nash, and even Lebron. In fact, he probably went to Cleveland for the sole purpose of trying to beat up the Celtics, who might be the last team of enforcers, following the Pistons.
The last time these guys played in the Garden there was blood. Rondo cut Melo with an elbow and he never scored again. If shit hits the fan, we might have Bill Walker and Shelden Williams. But Jared Jeffries isn’t choking anybody against the Celtics…proverbially or literally.
So add “Better enforcer” to my EB propaganda!
Easy easy folks Let them have their fantasies
arguing facts with some folks on here is pointless especially when it comes to D’Antoni. Never mind that D’antoni has absolutely no say over player personnel decisions with the Knicks. If he did he probably doesn’t trade Mozgov and therefore would have had someone 7’1 and 265lbs contesting KG’s shot which would have made getting Barron or Jeffries pointless. But see how these things go. We must honor the grand tradition of Knick fans, which is to root for and pine for the scrub of the month! Earl Barron is a scrub, but he had a couple of good games while playing here at the end of last year. That means that he is an all star. We should have kept Cory Brewer! again facts do not matter, but why should we have kept him, because everybody knows that he is the second coming of Scottie Pippen that’s why. Well everybody except Rick Carlisle, who unlike D’Antoni has been known to routinely play 12 guys in a game, yet Brewer has seen all of 2 minutes of playoff action thus far! But again facts! Barron has not played a minute in a single playoff game for Portland, and Brewer has played 2 minutes in three games for Dallas. Yet those guys should have been brought in or kept because they would be playing big minutes here! Laughable but still it is a time honored Knick tradition. Eddie Lee Wilkins anyone
by Robert Curre on Apr 22, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Read the article about. Walsh deferred to D’Antoni on the Center pick. D’Antoni took full responsibility for it. Jared Jeffries last played in the playoffs in 2006 Washington as a shooting guard. That should tell you something. The Knicks had one Center, 20th in rebounding. We needed a rebounding center. Barron is, Jeffries isn’t. End of story.
I don’t care about Corey Brewer, although if Walker can go 0-11 and Brown can ride the bench then maybe I should. But we’re not losing games at SG, we’re losing game at Center.
by east_harlem on Apr 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Again Harlem D'Antoni was asked if he had a problem with Jeffries coming back
For the record Earl Barron signed with the Bucks two days before we acquired Jeffries. And Again for the record Barron was offered a contract last off season by the Knicks for Veteran minimum (1.9 mil) and he rejected the offer thinking he could get more money elsewhere. Again facts do not matter. Again Barron was absolutely Terrible in PHX, he went to the D leage and was mediocre their, signed with the bucks and stunk up the joint and now he rides the pine in Portland. he average 3 pts and 3 rebounds in PHX, and he started half of the games he played for them. Move over Dwight Howard and Kevin Love!!!
by Robert Curre on Apr 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
Earl Barron started 6 games in PHX where they won 3 and lost 3, . Worst numbers he ever posted, 3.3 rebounds and 3 points. He improved in Milwaukee to 5 points per game. Meanwhile Jared Jeffries averaged 1.9 rebounds and 1.5 points in Houston, and somehow qualified for this job. By the way, Jeffries is now averaging 3.4 rebounds and 2 points per game, he started 9/24 games so by your metric he has been “absolutely Terrible.”
Barron signed with the Bucks after the Knicks took too long to get back to him. D’Antoni had long since publicized his preference for Jeffries, he’s confirmed in interviews.
Jared Jeffries gets defensive highlights because nobody else on the team plays defense. I could make a DVD of Jared errors. Are you guys kidding me? This guy is widely considered the worst player in the NBA and D’Antoni wants to play him out of position to stop the best big man group in the league. We should have gotten a Center and Barron was a Center. That’s it. How many times have I said Barron isn’t more than mediocre. Jeffries is just that bad.
by east_harlem on Apr 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Still cant forget the 17pts and 18 boards he dropped on Boston.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Me neither
This is what a Knicks-Celtics win looks like, people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFholGdH-2k
Thanks
I have given JJ credit for boxing out because that’s what I see him doing successfully most often.
This isn’t football where he can be put in for defense and taken out timely. His offense is awful (excluding game 2), and because this is basketball, he is often in key offensive position to receive the ball.
I find it hard to accept this tape of Game 2 and apply it JJ overall. But, that may be because I have low tolerance for pro players that can’t make layups, basic passes or shoot free throws. I’ll keep an eye out for these things from JJ going forward. It is far too easy (for me), to say he just had a rare good game that night. I have hopes that game 2 would be an inspirational fire for him and the rest of the Knicks for the rest of the series.
Thanks for the breakdown. I always enjoy them.
All that said, I had no problem with him receiving the ball that last play
but he should have attempted a shot. Heck, in replay hindsight, even CONSIDER a shot.
Good Work Gian!
let the gospel of Jared be heard throughout the land!
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Apr 21, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
NY fans are wearing all orange tomorrow.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Apr 21, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
is royal blue ok?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
MSG is giving out orange shirts
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Apr 21, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
damn it why can't i get a flight to ny right now!! :(
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I'll be wearig my normal orange-pink-ish hue of my birthday suit
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 21, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad.
Orange towels for Game 3, orange shirts for game 4
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Apr 21, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
oh...
well…I’m still watching the game in the buff
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 21, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Great point about Jared
Gian,
Well written article on Jared. He is an extremely under appreciated player, and brings old time DEFENSE to the Knicks…something we need desperately. You are right, it would not have been close if it wasn’t for him. He will redeem himself in game 3.
http://saynotocarmelo.blogspot.com
good stuff
Well broken down and i appreciate that somebody realizes how well he played despite his fuck up with 10 ticks left.
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