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Time's Up For D'Antoni

It’s been three years for Mike D’Antoni as the Knicks coach.

From evaluating D’Antoni in his time with the Knicks, it hasn’t been good. This should convince the organization to fire him and hire a coach that can take the team to the next level, which would be taking the team to the Eastern Conference Finals or even winning a playoff game.

In this weekend’s playoff games against the Celtics, the blowouts served as a reflection of the job the Knicks coach has done in three years. The Knicks don’t play defense, and they often play flat to start the game. It is no wonder teams don’t take them seriously as a championship contender.

It was a curious move by Donnie Walsh to hire D’Antoni as coach. There’s no question the Knicks thought the former Suns coach would serve as a recruiting tool for LeBron James and other stars to play for the Knicks. After all, he ran a high-octane offense that made the Suns successful prior to coming here.

Still, there were more cons than pros about the hiring of D’Antoni. For one thing, the Suns were quick to let him go without compensation. Second of all, he couldn’t lead the Suns to a championship despite having the talents of Steve Nash, Amar’e Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and other great players. Finally, he was criticized for not doing enough to coach defense.

It’s hard to come up with anything positive about D’Antoni. Sure, he led the Knicks to the playoffs, but the Celtics’ playoff sweep against his team negates everything good that took place his year.

D’Antoni’s inability to coach defense should be enough to get him fired. No one should be the head coach of a basketball team if he doesn’t know anything about defense. In basketball, teams win championships and playoff games by playing defense.

Defense should not be an option. It should be served as a mindset from practice to games. It should be served as an identity.

When the Knicks were great under Pat Riley and Jeff Van Gundy, it was defense first. The team would focus on knocking guys down on the floor, getting stops, and creating turnovers. They would create their offense by defense.

That’s not how D’Antoni views it. He feels a great offense can beat a great defense. That’s a flawed thinking. It’s hard to run an offense when someone gets knocked down.

He has no interest in changing his approach. He is stubborn enough to think his way can work despite the fact no teams won a championship without playing a defense.

If that is not enough to convince the organization, there are several more issues that should do the trick.

Under D’Antoni, the Knicks showed lack of urgency at games. They are often ill-prepared to play the game, and they get outworked by inferior teams.

Great teams rarely do either of those things. They get off to great starts, and they use that to help them set the tone to victories. They use it to help them survive when another team makes a run.  They make sure there is no letdown against bad teams.

The players mirror a coach’s image. With D’Antoni’s laidback personality, the players follow that lead by being complacent at games and at practice.  This results to a team being lazy and unfocused, and it sets the tone for losses.

An intense coach has his players being hungry from start to finish at games, and it sets the tone for victories.

The slow starts and bad losses have been a trend under D’Antoni’s leadership for three years, and it stood out this weekend in the Knicks’ two home losses in the playoffs, which helped the Celtics sweep the Knicks.

D’Antoni’s game coaching leaves a lot to be desired. He never makes adjustments in the second half. He runs a flawed offensive philosophy, which allows guys to shoot three pointers often. Often times, he would fall a step behind another coach, who knows how to frustrate the Knicks’ scorers by running a good defense.

Defensive coaches always get thebest out of him by preventing any fast-break offense, and that leaves the Knicks coach clueless to find an answer.

When the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony in February, it turned out to be rough sledding for D’Antoni. There was a disconnect between him and his new star. It seemed the coach wasn’t thrilled about coaching his new player, and the new Knick didn’t seem to embrace his new coach.

Anthony had a hard time understanding D’Antoni’s run-n-gun offense, and he wasn’t happy about playing in that offense. That inspired Amar’e Stoudemire to call his new teammate out after a loss to the Pistons.

D’Antoni had to scrap his offense, so that he could make Anthony happy. Still, it didn’t work out for both of them in the end.

Anthony needs a coach who he respects a great deal. He needs a guy who will get the best out of his talent. That’s important, since the Knicks are committed to keeping him for a long time.

This is where D’Antoni could lose out. His inability to work with Anthony could cost him his job. It may be for the best for everyone involved.

This gives the Knicks a chance to find a new coach. This would help Anthony start off fresh. This would mean D’Antoni can get a new start elsewhere.

D’Antoni had three years to prove his worth. Based on his flaws as coach, there’s no reason for him to get another year.  The Knicks haven’t won with him, and they are not going to win a championship with him. He's taken the team as far as he can.


It makes sense to start fresh with a new star.

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wait, is this post a joke (i really hope it is, cause i stoped reading after it said it hasn't been good)

or is it serious?
cause if serious, i don’t even want to get into this

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by 56THE REAL LT on Apr 26, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It hasn't been 3 years

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

what?

"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock

by Taylor Made on Apr 25, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have no clue

that the knicks are so much are then they were, right?

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 25, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

i think he should get his training camp and one more roster-shattering trade. and then we should fire him right before the playoffs.

/// aighttho.com \\/// twitter.com/aighttho \\

by stingy d on Apr 26, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

lol

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Souless-a form of gingervitas (red hair and freckles)
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by 56THE REAL LT on Apr 26, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck it... i'm down... sorry guys

1) JVG
2) Mark Jackson
3) Doc Rivers
4) Patrick Ewing

i want a east coast knicks coach… not a west coast guy… nothing personal MDA.

by bucketsncents on Apr 25, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

how the fuck anyone listens to Mark Jackson announce a game for 5 minutes

and suggests him as a viable option, I have no idea.

I wouldn’t let him sweep the floors.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 25, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't want to hire him as our announcer...

though i wouldn’t mind if he bumped tripucka. just saying it’d be damn exciting seeing what he could do at the helm. was one of the smartest players on the court… and made the most of his own talents and limitations.

reckon i’m bored of MDA and tired of waiting for him to “get his kind of guys”… coaches are supposed to maximize who they have.

by bucketsncents on Apr 25, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isiah Thomas was smart on the court too.

Any who…yes, coaches are supposed to maximize who they have. And well….I know its tough to realize, but maybe he did?

We don’t have much here. The fact that Shawne Williams and Bill Walker turned into viable pieces, for example..I’d say he’s gotten as much as he can with this roster.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 25, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair points about shawne and bully...

so i’ll just keep my argument based solely on me being bored of talking about MDA and his “offensive genius”.

i want new blood… i want east coast basketball…

by bucketsncents on Apr 25, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

are u saying he will be a bad coach because hes a bad Announcer ?

or is there another reason?

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 25, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Jackson should go do something like oh I dunno, coaching

before he gets a job as a head NBA coach

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 25, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda like Doc Rivers i guess?

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I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 25, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Orlando job was way lower profile than coaching a Knicks team with two top 10ish players

Their best player was Darrell Armstrong

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by knickswin on Apr 26, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And let's not act like Doc is a dream coach either

he got fired from Orlando and was getting roasted in Boston until the big three came in to save him

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by knickswin on Apr 26, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coach of the Year award in 2000

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 26, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

so was mike in 2005 . . .

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 26, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

im pretty sure the point i was making

is You don’t need to start coaching before you become a coach. (e.g Doc.)

but yay for the Big D.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 26, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what I'm saying is for the most part you do

especially for a major market team with two stud players. We’re not getting a rookie coach. That’s out of the question

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 26, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

History is chuck full of rookie coachs in every sport that have done well.

besides i think anyone can do better then 42-44.. IMO

Im also not saying i want him as are coach , just pointing out that just because you suck in field (announcing) don’t mean you’ll suck in another.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 26, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's an idiot, that's why

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 25, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I ALWAYS end up muting when he's the announcer

without fail. I can’t take him and his Kevin Garnett love seshes

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 25, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buckets you do realize the guy has absolutely zero coaching experience

I have more coaching experience. The only thing that qualifies him to ge Knick coach is, he is from NY and he played for the Knicks. Exactly the same qualifications held by Stephon Marbury. Wanna see him coach, actually I am wrong. Marbury is a player/assistant coach on his Chinese team, so actually he is more qualified than Jackson.

by Robert Curre on Apr 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

all terrible except for Doc who's unrealistic

JVG is not a good fit for this team (all defense, terrible offense) and he hates Dolan

Mark Jackson and Patrick Ewing have never coached a damn thing. Why do you think they’d be qualified to coach an NBA team that hopes to be a top seed in the East?

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 25, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

because they're not MDA...

the list is my way of honoring what we were, and where i want us to go… which is back to east coast basketball, or at least a variation of what we were… that being a TEAM of hard-nosed competitors willing to bleed, sweat and battle for 48 minutes… and everyone on that list has shown those qualities… including JVG and his ankle grabbing capacity.

by bucketsncents on Apr 25, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

at the same time this is the same jvg who walked away because he doesn't want the responsibility no more.

the last time east coast basketball had something it was in the bobcats and they were horrible

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Apr 25, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

also the last time i really, thoroughly enjoyed watching the knicks...

a lot of you guys aren’t wrong in your assessments of jackson, ewing, doc or jvg… 2 are unknowns and 2 have good to above average coaching track records, with periods of mediocrity on their resumes.

the point, actually, the opinion i’ve been expressing is MY DESIRE… AS A FAN… TO HAVE THE TEAM THAT I ROOT FOR… AND HAVE ALWAYS ROOTED FOR… TO BE COACHED BY A COACH WHO COACHES A DIFFERENT BRAND OF BASKETBALL.

i’m of the mindset that MDA’s style of coaching and his system, while fun at times, has a ceiling.

yeah, who hates all caps?! c’mon boys… lemme have it!

by bucketsncents on Apr 26, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

go root for the Bulls or Pacers then (or the Bucks or whatever)

because as long as Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony are our main guys we’re not going to look anything like those teams. You can complain all you want but it’s not going to happen

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 26, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you romanticizing that team so much?

The 90s Knicks never won anything fyi. And their offense was UGLY and you’re not allowed to defend like they did anymore. Having a good defense is important, but a good offense is equally important. Look at the struggles the Bulls have been having against lowly Indiana for proof of that.

And here’s why all those coaches won’t work:
1.) JVG—would not get the most out of our offense, doesn’t want to coach, and hates Dolan
2.) Mark Jackson—never coached a damn thing so is in no way qualified to be an NBA coach. Just because he was a good point guard doesn’t mean he’ll be a good coach, look no further than Isiah Thomas for proof of that
3.) Doc—retiring to watch his son play ball
4.) Patrick Ewing—see Mark Jackson. has never been a coach of anything in his life (other than a big man coach which has nothing to do with coaching a team). I have no idea why you think he would be able to coach this team. He’s also not the brightest bulb

No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face

by knickswin on Apr 25, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

D'Antoni is from West Virginia

his dad and his uncles and his brothers are all coal miners. He brings that mentality to the basketball court. All of the grit in the entire Appalachians is with him on the sidelines.

by Dutchmarau on Apr 26, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Van Gundy's from California

so I guess dude wants a west coast coach after all…

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 26, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol. really?

(ewing tho, he’d be a nice d coach when we get DW12 can we include him in the trade with orlano and NO?)

Dear FOX... Fire Aikman
Boustun Sux
Souless-a form of gingervitas (red hair and freckles)
Lebron james is a bitch

by 56THE REAL LT on Apr 26, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 25, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

lol

Dear FOX... Fire Aikman
Boustun Sux
Souless-a form of gingervitas (red hair and freckles)
Lebron james is a bitch

by 56THE REAL LT on Apr 26, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this is the Fat Lady i hear singing..

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 25, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

agree, atleast 4 more years (4 more years, 4 more years)

IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear FOX... Fire Aikman
Boustun Sux
Souless-a form of gingervitas (red hair and freckles)
Lebron james is a bitch

by 56THE REAL LT on Apr 26, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

very good point..

also maximizing Poop, bully, carter, jeffries and landry fields were no one is even bother to have a look even now.. but look he made them contribute well on this team.

by Teutoknicks on Apr 26, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget he made David Lee an allstar

ask Golden State fans how easy that is…

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 26, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

Fire Dantoni
Ruck Forschach

by halpy on Apr 26, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I understand when people say they want to

give dantoni a full year of coaching with this team, but I think it will be a waste of a year. I want a chance at making a run at a championship while Amare and Melo are in their primes…and just because it may be “fair” to give dantoni a shot at a full year…..fuck “fair”. They need to instill some defined structure on this team including most importantly playing consistent defense. How many times have the Knicks looked unprepared for thier opponent this year? It seems as tho dantoni does not game plan for the other team. He always says “we will do what we do and the other team has to stop us” well…for 44 games this year that is exactly what the opponent did. He doesn’t make adjustments…..how many games did Rondo have to roast us b4 he brought in AC and by then it was waaay to late. How many times during the year did the Knicks get in a big hole because of the lack of focus and/or intensity and have to scrap their way unsuccessfully back into a game. I don’t see ANY of these factors changing if we keep dantoni as head coach. Even during those wired timeouts you hear other coaches discussing strategy and focus on areas in which they are being deficient and why they are losing….dantoni always says “let’s go, let’s go” or “push the ball, shoot more” and “we gotta go, go, go” who the hell is he? Inspector Gadget?

Again, I can understand those, including Walsh that say he deserves a full year w/ this team, but the same trends will continue next year and we can look forward to a first round exit from the playoffs again. Walsh brought dantoni here to play “entertaining” basketball through the losing years….now that we have the foundation to move forward, the same should be to bring in someone that can take us to the next level.

Obviously this may all be moot anyway because dantoni is due to make $6Mil next year and I can’t see Dolan cutting ties with him still having to pay him. But I don’t want to see another wasted year.

by Jason Bee on Apr 26, 2011 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

waste of a year?

I don’t envision changing ur mind on the matter but to Dsntoni’s credit(who I still find a tad pompous btw) once we gave him some legitimate weapons he did take us from a 29 win team hoping for the lottery to a 40 win up and coming team, competing in the playoff’s.

As a coach Pringle’s offense gets all the accolades because admittedly his defense leaves much to be desired BUT to say he doesn’t care about defense would be an assumption, one that frankly I’d find unbelievable. I always thought he sucked at defense(still kinda do) but that is much different than not caring about defense

If you don’t care about defense, you don’t implement a zone for your team in order to get stops regardless if it works or not.

If you don’t care about defense, you don’t see ur guys get clobbered on screens and come up with a switch on everything strategy even if this is a piss poor adjustment.

If you don’t care about defense and only care about offense, you do not lobby to bring back one of the most offensively inept players of the last decade in Jared Jefferies, a man who can not shoot,pass,dribble,catch,or make sudden moves without tripping over his own two feet. In fact the only thing he does a decent job of is hustling and defense.

Dantoni cant suit up and get on the floor people. It’s not his fault TD repeatedly kept backing down to Rondo…as much as I like him, that’s TD’s fault. I have no problem assigning blame where it is due but really to call for the coach’s head in this instance is overreaction IMO

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Apr 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice writeup

but I didn’t say he didn’t care about defense. I just don’t think he pays attention to detail in regards to defense or makes the proper adjustments to utilize his teams strengths and to neutralize the opposing teams weapons

by Jason Bee on Apr 26, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not completely directed at you

just the waste of a year statement actually, and I’d understand why you feel that way. the “caring” stuff just seems to come up all the time when arguing Dantoni.

My belief is this thing is more on Walsh to bring in defenders this off season than it is on Dantoni to coach defense at a championship level. I mean the best english teacher in the world can’t teach a pig to say hi.

What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!

by Lord Smackington on Apr 26, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can teach a pig latin tho.....

YEA! Corny I know…couldn’t resist…

by Jason Bee on Apr 26, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree, but since it is their primes i would like Melo and Amar'e to care more

Somethings are not the coaches fault, like when Amar’e stands there and allows his man to get an offensive rebound and put back without even so much as trying to box him out, or that annoying habit he has of just backing away and letting his man score whenever he gets two fouls on him. Or Melo’s ridiculous habit of not rotating on shooters, consistently refusing to go over the top of picks. I know Damn Well that MDA DID NOT INSTRUCT MELO TO GO UNDER PICKS ON PIERCE CAUSE PIERCE IS ONE OF THE BEST 3Pt shooters in NBA history! Yet every damn time a pick was set Melo went under it and gave Pierce a wide open shot. You are right let’s not waste their primes but it starts with them.

by Robert Curre on Apr 26, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much did Dolan pay Larry Brown to go away?

He ain’t afraid to cut a check, especially not with ticket revenues increasing by 49% next year. Who would you replace him with?

by Dutchmarau on Apr 26, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is rec'd for recorded but not recommended,

i mean let see this comment after dantoni’ had a chance of a year of no gutting of roster and players he really picked like he had in phoenix until stever kerr bring shaq to see if you really have a point or you based that comment on analysis from stephen smith,wojranowski, M. lawrence, berman and isola.

by Teutoknicks on Apr 26, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What can ruin your night

but at the same time help you make a coherent point?

periods.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 26, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

63

That’s how many players have played for us during D’antoni’s tenure. 63! How can ANYONE win when their constantly working with a new group.

Bring him back, give the guy a REAL opportunity to win and he will. His time in Phoenix proves it.

by Kylero on Apr 26, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

HOLY SHIT

that’s a ton of players. So not only did just about 70% of those said players suck, but there’s been numerous piles of shit flushed through the Garden and wearing uniform.

More reason to confirm that you cannot properly evaluate Pringles. What we’ve seen is not really what he is.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

stockton was drafted in 1984 and Malone in 85

 sloan didnt become head coach until 88-89… and the jazz didnt make the finals until 1996

imagine if he was given the kind of leeway Mike D is getting…

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 26, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to nitpick but I think it was 97

Supersonics went t to the finals in 96

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by knickswin on Apr 26, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, it was the 96-97 season.

my bust.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 26, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

dislike many of these anti-Mikey comments

your insane to judge him on anything but the first half of this year (b4 the trade deadline).
if you judge him on anything else, i son’t think i can take you seriously.
he went into a team that was basically giving away all their players to free cap space, and your mad he took his team to the playoffs they finally get acceptable players who were only their for half the season. then gets a new batch of players. really, c’mon guys.

Dear FOX... Fire Aikman
Boustun Sux
Souless-a form of gingervitas (red hair and freckles)
Lebron james is a bitch

by 56THE REAL LT on Apr 26, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

half a season is being generous.

but i am with you.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Apr 26, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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