Tuesday Colugos
by Seth on May 10, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
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Good afternoon, parsons! I've been cutting my way through the forest in search of Knicks-related links, and have a returned with a few to share. Please don't devour them all at once. Take small bites. Savor them.
- Colugos are two species of Southeast Asian furry friends called "flying lemurs". They're not really lemurs, but they do have giant skin flaps with which they can pretty much fly from tree to tree. I WANT THAT.
- Knickerblogger's got some good stuff up these days: Here they are talking about the draft, and here's a great new piece on Landry Fields's rise, regression, and expectations for the future. Beware a Cedric Henderson reference.
- The Knicks don't have a coaching vacancy and that one guy hasn't expressed any interest in the Knicks, so I don't know what all this hubbub is about.
- This is a couple days old, but the good men at The Good Men Project spoke to Michael Ray Richardson, and not just about silly things like hats and frogs and whatnot.
- With these early, sort of cursory combines going on, Jared Zwerling has spoken to a few lesser-known draft prospects. The interviews are great. Here he is with Cory Joseph, Greg Smith, and Jamine "Greedy" Peterson (who might end up demanding too large a contract...WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA).
- Incidentally, viva morrison is pretty much my man for these "Know The Prospect" things, but if you can write and have got a prospect you'd like to write about, email me and we can discuss it. I've given up doing these myself because they pretty much amount to "this guy looks tall and I like his beard and here's a video".
- Whatever about Dwight Howard, but this bit from Alan Hahn on Donnie Walsh is interesting, and has been mentioned in a few different places:
From what I have heard from various sources, Walsh isn't as much angling for total control as he is for a more controlled environment for the players. Appearances with David Letterman and Regis are no big deal and it's not as much the crowds that gather around the court before games at MSG - the players actually like that because it creates a big-game buzz and atmosphere every night. It's the madness that exists elsewhere, such as in the post-game locker room at the Garden, where visitors are mixed in with members of the media to create an environment unlike any other in the league.
He also suggests that Carmelo Anthony might want to lose those...uh....giant skin flaps. Unless he intends to use them to fly, ya know.
That's it for now! There'll be a playoff thread up later, and maybe we'll even be up until 2 AM again. Until then, have a splendid day. Enjoy the weather, if there is weather to be enjoyed.
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I can't make up my mind on that possible Amare-for-Dwight trade.
I will love Amare forever for what he did for our franchise, but it DOES make sense. It’d just be real dirty to do him like that.
Ahhh I’m so torn.
+1
Would the Knicks win more with Howard? Probably.
But I’d like to think that Amar’e gets to stay because he was the guy who put this team on his shoulders, not knowing if he’d ever get any help.
by superturboultra on May 10, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
At some point, it stops being about constantly looking to trade everyone away. Some guys need to become untouchable, and then you build around them so you can actually contend. If the Knicks pull another Melo-like trade halfway through the next season, the results will be similar – another wasted year trying to get marginally better for the future.
by superturboultra on May 10, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wish more people would recognize this
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Amar'e for Howard?
where has this ever been mentioned?
oh shit nvm
should have looked through the links before commenting
I don't think it's possible
Amar’e’s not much of an asset with his contract
No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face
Orlando without Dwight would have nothing
So better to get an all-star starter than nothing, considering they also wouldn’t have any cap room if they lost Dwight.
I don't think it even makes sense to go into
but if I had the finger on the trigger, I’d pull it. Carmelo and Dwight fit together better.
Carmelo and Dwight is basically a modern day Kobe and Shaq. Except I think they like each other, and Carmelo’s probably better then Kobe (remember, Kobe wasn’t KOBE until Shaq got there) and if Dwight keeps working on his shit, he’s better then Shaq (same shit different direction and yea yea yea….)
But other than that, not worth worrying about. Tho i guess something that could help it along is Burps expiring and Orlando’s possible desire to be rid one of their shitty contracts.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I probably would do that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think Orlando might bite on that
No matter what. The difference between Billups’ contract and Arenas’ is much bigger than the difference between Amare and Dwight.
If Dwight pulls a Melo, not sure why he’d go to the Lakers – they’re a team obviously on the decline. Now the Mavs, on the other hand…
by superturboultra on May 10, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hardly say the Lakers are on decline
They just showed you can’t give a shit for only 75% of the season and then turn it on when it matters. Especially playing a hungrier, deeper team.
I think LA could make it happen. Package a combination of Odom, Gasol or Bynum (2 of them together), probably draft picks even though they’ll be late in the draft they’re still valuable, and maybe Shannon Brown for Dwight and Arenas
I think he will go to the Lakers, but my question is if Kobe can play second fiddle. At this point, I’d say Dwight is better than Kobe
If Kobe is on the decline, and Jackson is leaving, and Bynum is being shopped around this summer, then they’re on the decline.
by superturboultra on May 11, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a no brainer
If it were close, the disrespect might be a factor. But what the Knicks lack more than anything is a defensive presence in the post. And Dwight is the very best in the game. And he fits better with Melo than Amare does. That deal instantly makes the Knicks way better. One of the big problems with the Knicks’ plan of trying to mimic Miami by trying to team up three superstars is that Melo and Amare are nowhere near as good as Lebron and Wade. But Dwight is. Forget a third superstar – add a little depth to a Melo-Dwight combo and the Knicks are instantly top 4 in the East. You have to do this deal if it’s an option.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
Nice to see a writer talk about Melo's physique
it isn’t something that gets talked about a lot, considering how well he plays in spite of it, and yet it seems like something that could easily be fixed with a little hard work.
Although it’s hard to really put a finger on what aspect of his game would improve with a less flabby body – he already attacks the rim as quickly as any SF in the game, he has good leaping ability (especially of the rapid-fire variety), and he can take hits and finish with the best of them. Plus, one of the greatest SFs in NBA history had a very similar body style (Larry Bird). Even Paul Pierce isn’t really known for his excellent conditioning and yet he consistently dominates, even at the age of 33.
Whenever my dad talks about Melo
He calls him fat or puffy.
"Landry Fields! Hottest rookie in the game! Yes he is... Tall dark and handsome..."
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@ross_bernhardt
by viva_morrison on May 10, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it'd help his explosion and overall endurance
He’s quick like no other and good at finishing (pause), but with a little less flab he could dunk those moves to the basket instead of having to adjust and lay it in. Also in terms of his endurance, he could then keep attacking the basket throughout the game if he’s playing big minutes and not just settle for jumpers
I brought up his weight 3 years ago. “He reportedly lost 9 pounds in the offseason, slimming down from 245 to 236. However, he does not look any thinner. Athletes often say they lost weight, packed on muscle, or are in the best shape of their lives. Usually lies. His NBA profile lists him at 230, but that was probably his rookie weight. This article mentions 228-230 is Melo’s ideal weight. He weighed 220 at Syracuse.”
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_10713634
http://magazine.stack.com/TheIssue/Article/3498/Carmelo_Anthonys_Eating_Plan.aspx
wečč melo wasnt in his best shape during the season, that was pretty obvious. reasons: you can speculate-wedding and all.
In 2010 he came back in top form and dominated, but than he went down for knee injury. How it helps? A lot of reasons, one of more important-conditionig is crucial for shooting and he was affected by that this year. It wasnt his best shooting season and he missed alot of shots he normaly makes.
he was visibly winded this year during the games. This wasnt the case last year and i think whole wedding thing was you know....
He will be much better this year.
I don't think it matters
his game is not built on his athleticism (tho he has the quickest first jump of anyone in the NBA, he doesnt’ go that high).
Maybe he could look more buff, but I don’t give a shit about that. Dude’s as strong as an ox.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Every NBA player misses a game
and looking better ain’t exactly gonna make him not miss any games.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
How many stars Carmelo's size miss 10 games every season?
Better fitness could probably keep him healthy longer, and he definitely needs to improve his endurance.
He played 77 this year and 77 the year before that.
Now he did Miss 16 games the year before that. then there was that year where he was suspended 10 games for the fight with the Knicks. other wise he plays 75 that year. So the 10 games a year is a bit of an exaggeration.
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if we can just straight up say that Melo needs to get in better shape
to be honest I don’t really notice any effect on his game from it, if anything it helps him get what he wants in the low block. Kevin Durant for example struggles to get in position because he doesn’t have the bulk to deal with defenders. Melo’s strong, got a quick first step, and gets off the ground faster than anyone I’ve ever seen. I don’t see what the problem is
maybe when he gets a bit older he should since it’ll probably help him last longer, but for now it doesn’t seem to be much of a problem.
People also complained about Ray’s physique, but he happens to be in great shape. It’s just genetics that determines how much fat covers up those muscles.
No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face
Coaches determine how many minutes a player plays. He really didn't have a back up
last season and this season he did, so he could play fewer minutes.
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the Knickerblogger link is 404'ing me
i feel like im being toyed with, i like it but i dont
by blackhova on May 10, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with what's said
Such as that Faried would be a good pick, and Brewer clearly would have helped the Knicks and it was foolish to let him go. Fortunately, Walsh has a good track record in drafting, with the exception of Jordan Hill, so I hope he can strike gold and buy some more picks.
we wholeheartedly wanted Stephen Curry
and when Don Nelson and his band of unmerry Warriors snatched him, i think Walsh just chose the next “potential” player in the draft. not that he didnt know what he was drafting but decided to pull a trigger instead of “the” trigger on a better prospect
by blackhova on May 10, 2011 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
refering to your jordan hill comment
by blackhova on May 10, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, it made some sense, since the Knicks were uncertain about their future at PF
I just hope Walsh doesn’t make a similar mistake again.
Now everybody want to trade Amare? Common Amare was great for you guys and he is beast in post season.
Give this team a chance.
You must be a new Knick fan.
This is what they do? Just wait when the brand new shiny smell comes off of MELO, you are gonna shit a brick at all the trade proposal fan posts you are gonna see over the next season where we trade him for like half the Houston Rockets bench or something like that!
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What a bitter misrepresentation of NY
NY likes guys who work hard and are passionate. NY doesn’t like spoiled brats or underachievers.
Not a misrepresentation at all my friend.
You must be new here too then, because every player on this team has been traded in fanpost’s here at least 4 times. We get restless and we we also are a grass is greener crew. You must be a Knick fan rookie too. And virtually every player in the NBA works hard it takes hard work to get to that level and hard work to stay there.
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You're talking about NY, not this site
This site is based on ideas for the team. People like to play GM, even if it means trading away a player. Plus, many of the ideas are from fans of other teams.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that New Yorkers are less loyal. I’ve been on this site for like 3 years, along with others. This site is much more optimistic than others.
No, not everyone has the same work ethic or passion on the court.
New Yorkers are far less loyal than 98% of all other sports fans
I know I have lived in many other places. We throw guys under the bus alot much more quickly than other folks. Also WE have the only fans in the NBA who openly chant and cheer for other players on teams that are beating our team. NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE CELTICS SUCKED A FEW YEARS AGO NO ONE WAS CHANTING MVP, MVP! WHEN KOBE WAS IN THERE SHOOTING FREE THROWS. Sorry Mindfeck, maybe you are not like that but the average NY fan is!
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah there are a lot of obnoxious people
But I think that’s in every major city. My GF was just went to a Red Sox game in Boston and everyone was heckling the Red Sox.
Philly fans are known for being brutal. They wanted McNabb gone.
NY has had a lot of bad teams so many people don’t know who to cheer for sometimes. Keep in mind that tickets are expensive, and the people at games are obnoxious spoiled brats at a higher ratio than the general population of sports fans.
Philly fans don't cheer for the other team.
Redsox fans may get frustrated with the Redsox but they do not chant MVP! MVP! and ask for a curtain call when A-Rod hits a 3 run homer off Beckett. That is the equivalent of what we do!
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that was mostly just years ago when no one was likable and the team was bad
Plus, the Knicks fans probably thought they could lure the guys to the team. Yankees fans don’t do stuff like that with other teams.
basketball is different than baseball
it’s more star-driven. there will always be a large contingent of b-ball fans who simply root for the team that has the best player in the league (Magic, Kobe, Jordan, etc)
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 10, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I am annoyed by any form of slurpage!
If you want to nuthug, then ask for a date! My point is NY fans are a fickle bunch. Think about all of these people who want Ewing in here as a defensive coach or would give JVG a heroes welcome if he came back. Some of those people are the same folks who wanted JVG gone back in the day and said good riddence when Ewing walked out of the door. D’Antoni got us to the playoffs and our first winning record in a decade and everyone around here wants him gone. New Yorkers are loyal, please man! What’s the over/under on the “WE WANT PHIL” chants next year. I say 5 games!
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Phil was a Knick
Teams don’t support highly paid coaches of lousy teams. If the Knicks do well, people won’t be hoping for Phil. People like JVG because he was extremely passionate and the Knicks overachieved. However, considering how he quit on the team and helped them spiral to the cellar, I don’t like him. He’s also a jerk and lousy commentator.
The vocal people will be the uninformed ones. NY is the biggest city, and has plenty of room for many loud and stupid fans.
Only if you take it that way,
We will fire coaches no matter who we get, we will trade players no matter who they are. We wanted Ewing traded a 100 times around here, so why should Melo be different. You will be fine Bubbachuck, Only Donnie or Dolan can actually want him traded and do something about it.
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Currence every one does this in every city
I’m sure at some point when it was a consideration Laker fans were talking about trading Kobe (tho they were probably interested since they’d go root for the team he was traded to).
WHen a trade proposal comes about, people look at it and see if it smells like roses or smells like shit.
Amar’e did what he did here. It was great. But after they traded for his boy, the team took a shit. We’re not championship contenders by any means, so I guess you can say wait until this team proves what exactly they are after we add a few pieces around him (IF we can do that).
It does seem a bit soon to do it, yea, but it makes the team better. It does. And after the bullshit we pulled at the trade deadline, might as well do it again.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Rorshach Knick fans have a propensity for doing this especially now
We need to stop living in the 90s and on the 90s rep. Knick fans are not diehard rock steady fans! We are a grass is greener crew. It is okay, times change. But most of the diehard fans of the 90s and before are gone! We nuthug guys on other teams, cheer for them in our building, we have lost our street cred. That is why it does not bother me when we come up with trade Amar’e for Dwight, trade him for whomever because that is what we do now!
by Robert Curre on May 10, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we're saying the same shit now
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
There are still die-hard fans from the 90s.
In fact, some of us got to see games in amazing seats for cheap once the fair-weather fans stopped coming to games.
"I hate them with all the hate you can hate with. Can you hate more than that? If you can, I hate them more than that." Tim Hardaway, on the Knicks.
I think everyone likes him
It’s just his troubling comments about defense, and his performance late in the season that make people greatly prefer Dwight Howard. Dwight seems like he’d be a better fit with Carmelo.
we traded all sentimentality
everything else can go fuck itself as far as getting better.
Amar’e for Dwight? Do it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
But the Bernard King clone came home!
So sentimental. Who cares about the guy who wanted to tattoo New York across his chest, or the big Russian who was so upset that his GF would lose her friends, or the safari man who lost all of his favorite teammates?
yup
I mean you wanna blow up the team to get the best team on the court, why stop at Amar’e? Obviously he’s a great player but his flaws outnumber Dwight’s flaws. And much of Dwight’s flaws are covered up by Carmelo.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I have to agree with you.
I’m not a big fan of the “nobody is indispensable” method, but it has worked so far, and if you’re going to use it, you have to use it.
It's never going to happen in reality. It is a purely theoretical discussions.
Amare for Dwight is like the 08 Yankees signing Barry Bonds to play DH – makes so much sense on paper, no chance of actually happening.
by Doug Chu on May 10, 2011 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think it made THAT much sense.
The qualities he would have brought any team could have used, and the baggage alone he’d bring to the most visible team in the MLB probably made it all not worth it.
I can't imagine the Magic even considering trading Dwight without getting rid of both Hedo's and Arenas's contracts
I don’t think any team has the finances for a trade like that except the Lakers. This worked in the trade machine (I’m bored)
Lakers get
Dwight Howard
Hedo Turkoglu
Gilbert Arenas
Magic get
Andrew Bynum
Lamar Odom
Ron Artest
Steve Blake
Fillers
I don't really see how getting a washed-up, controversial player is similar to trading for the most dominant player in the league.
I don’t think it’s going to happen, but since the Knicks have spent the last few years looking for ways to acquire prime talent, they have no reason to say no if such a deal comes up.
These Dwight for Amar'e talks for real?
Man Amar’e would be pissed.
The only thing better than an Anderson is a Granderson.
I don't think they have much grounding
Amar’e’s kind of a bad contract, I would think Orlando would be looking to shed salary.
It would really suck for Amar’e if we were to do that. Phoenix was constantly trying to shop him too, I’ll never understand why.
No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face
It originated from some random Orlando sportswriter totally pulling it out of his ass shortly after us or Orlando lost in the playoffs, and then doing that reporter thing where you put it in the headline and pose it as a question.
Of course, doing that makes everyone think there’s some smoke behind that fire and lends it some sense of legitimacy and the echo chamber nature of the media means everyone picks it up and runs with it.
“Is Barack Obama not a true American citizen?”
“Is insert any female celebrity without a 6-pack showing a baby bump??”
“Is Seth an unrepentant chubby chaser?”
Sounds unrepentant to me.
Calling Berman right now, this is right up his alley.
by superturboultra on May 10, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Amare for Dwight won't happen
so please let’s just be happy we have Amare f-ing Stoudemire, could we? A lot of Knick fans would trade Amare for Howard, so of course beat writers will float that idea constantly to divide the fanbase and get half of them to spend their time pointing out Amare’s flaws. It’s the Melo trade all over again except that one was actually real.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
this
there’s like a 2% chance of this happening. I don’t feel like it’s in the team’s or fanbase’s best interest to spend too much time pondering the hypothetical trading of its superstar.
No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face
It’s the Melo trade all over again except that one was actually real.
Well put.
by superturboultra on May 11, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions
Has this been posted yet? Pretty funny
http://www.whosay.com/CarmeloAnthony/photos/27514
Everybody got dogs and cats as pets, I got a camel!
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
just to entertain the idea of a Howard swap with Amar'e or Melo
I might agree that Melo/Howard could trumpMelo/Amar’e but i would actually prefer to see Howard/Amar’e. I mean, allowing Amar’e to work off Howard controlling the paint would be tremendous and our frontcourt would be incredibly fearsome. Amar’e’s defense might improve with the aid of Howard helping too. And it would definitely give NY many options and combinations. Howard seems to create his own offense and he HAs become better about passing out of double teams. Having Amar’e to pass to could give him much better confidence than Hedo, Anderson or the rest of the Magic’s players.
So yeah it would be fun. But I don’t take any of those type rumors seriously at all. People make it sound so easy and feasible. I mean, this shit isn’t an NBA Videogame, guys. I’m really tired of continuously entertaining major trades. We made our splashes already. Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups (for this year anyways) is our core. Rather than play “Grass is Greener” with NBA Stars, let’s get serious and get the necessary pieces to build a roster with chemistry!!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
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