Mock Draft picks 11-20 with explanation
Because things start to become such a crapshoot, I'm just throwing in who I think the teams will pick. And Frank8, I'm not trying to copy you. I had already done these but I thought I should wait until after the lottery to finalize and post them. If you want, I will take them down.
First, let's go over who was already picked:
1: Kyrie Irving
2: Derrick Williams
3: Jan Vesely
4: Enes Kanter
5: Brandon Knight
6: Kawhi Leonard
7: Kemba Walker
8: Jonas Valanciunas
9: Bismack Biyombo
10: Alec Burks
11: Golden State Warriors: Marcus Morris, SF/PF, Kansas
This was a tough pick to mock. While the "trade Stephen Curry" rumors seem to be slowing down, I still think it could happen. But I made the pick based on the roster they have. I think Morris is a decent fit for the Warriors, and I think between Dorell Wright, Ekpe Udoh, Morris, Biedrins, and Lee, the Warriors will have a pretty decent frontcourt to go along with their explosive backcourt. Of course, if a guard is the pick here, Curry is on his way out.
12: Utah Jazz: Jimmer Fredette, PG/SG, BYU
This is why I didn't think the Jazz would take a PG at 3. I think the Jazz wait and give Harris a full year at PG before finding a replacement. In the meantime, Jimmer can be instant offense, and who knows, he could become a starting PG or SG. I think Jimmer in Utah is a good PR move, and a smart Basketball move. Is this a reach? Yes, but I think, like Tyler Hansbrough of a few years ago, he will live up to expectations.
13: Phoenix Suns: Tyler Honeycutt, SF, UCLA
This is probably going to raise a few eyebrows, but it seems like a good fit. Many see Honeycutt as one-dimensional, but I think he has the potential to be an all-star caliber wing scorer. In the up-pace system in Phoenix, and with Nash (most likely) throwing him dimes, he could settle right in, and along with Aaron Brooks and Marcin Gortat, the Suns will have a good young core. Tristian Thompson is also a possibility.
14: Houston Rockets: Chris Singleton, SF, Florida State
I think the Rockets are pretty far from competing for a playoff spot. But they seem pleased with Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic at the point, and Kevin Martin is one of the most underrated scorers in the game. Plus, if Singleton is the pick, the Rockets will have a lot of former lottery picks on the frontline, with Singleton, Patrick Patterson, Hasheem Thabeet, and Jordan Hill; and they have good scrappy veterans in Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola.
15: Indiana Pacers: Darius Morris, PG, Michigan
Pick that makes sense for the Pacers. They have a good amount of front-court depth, and the PG situation is becoming questionable. Collison regressed from his breakout year in NO, but proved to be for the most part competent. But I think the Pacers may want an upgrade, or at least depth. T.J. Ford is done. The Pacers get a guy who should pass the ball to Granger, and can set up Hansbrough and Hibbert in the right place.
16: Philadelphia 76ers: Tristian Thompson, PF, Texas
This is much farther than I think Thompson should slide, and the Sixers get a high-ceiling PF who will backup and eventually replace Elton Brand. I think the sky is the limit for this guy, but there is always the chance he turns into Anthony Randolph.
17: New York Knicks: Kenneth Faried, PF, Morehead State
Okay, I may get some hate for picking Faried over Markieff, but here is why it makes sense. As we all know, the Knicks are making a strong push for, or at least in the running for, Dwight, CP3, even Deron. Now, I wouldn't go PG early unless Kemba or Knight fell to us, just because that would be a waste if we got CP3 or Deron. I don't want the Knicks to be hamstrung in 2012. Drafting Markieff would give us a big, but I don't think he's much more than a big body with a decent mid range game. Faried is perfect. He rebounds like a beast, he can block shots from the weak side, he can bang in the post, obviously not with big Cs, but with PFs, he can. He is quick enough to stay with PFs with a face up game. Best part about Faried is that no matter who we get, whether it's Dwight, CP3, Deron, or nobody, the Knicks will have a good "glue" guy who can provide energy and leadership off the bench, something that would help TD and Bully.
18: Washington Wizards: Markieff Morris, PF, Kansas
The Wizards got their SF in Leonard already, so now they go with a big. He won't be looked to to score much with Wall, McGee, Crawford, and Young, but he should be an okay rebounder and an okay defender. He is at least a young upgrade over Andray Blatche.
19: Charlotte Bobcats: Donatas Motiejunas, PF, Lithuania
The Bobcats have 2 picks, and with both of them they are swinging for the fences with overseas players (they took Biyombo at 9). This is an intriguing player, as he can score very effectively and efficiently. His motor is questionable, but many are comparing him to Bargnani, and he would complement the defense and energy of Biyombo quite well. Perhaps this would be the spark that ignites the Bobcats organization.
20: Minnesota TImberwolves: Klay Thompson, SG, Washington State
This is a guy I hadn't heard much about, but he has been flying up draft boards. From what I've seen, he's a very good shooter, which should fit around Love, Rubio, and Derrick WIlliams quite well. I think Martell Webster is a good player, but I think Thompson is an upgrade and a better fit. This may be a reach, but I think that a good shooter would succeed alongside Love and Rubio.
So how did I do this time? Better than installment 1? Should I publish my installment 3?
Any feedback-praise or criticism-is appreciated.
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no reggie :(
But faried is pretty much our biggest need, besides a big center. I’d still rather drafta point guard though
Revis island? Prince's Kingdom
Knicks better draft reggie jackson.(mini lebron)
Sorry about no Reggie.
I thought that was too early for him and I am worried about his position in the NBA. He’s no more of a PG than TD, and his size makes him a small SG. Plus, for a SG, his jumper is pretty ugly and inefficient (below 30% from 3).
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I think maybe you got confused
Reggie Jackson was 42% from 3.
Also, you jumped Darius Morris much more than Reggie Jackson, compared to most draft boards. It probably depends on who convinces scouts that they fixed their weaknesses more. Darius sounded committed to improving his 3 point shooting at the combine today and I was surprised he said he studied past lockouts.
RIght. Jackson shot 27% in 2009-2010
That’s the one I looked at. My bad. And nbadraft.net doesn’t even have Reggie in the first round. I think he’s a late 1st rounder, and I could see him going to Boston or Chicago in the 1st.
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As for a PG, the only one I wouldn't mind is Morris.
Past that, just a bunch of TD clones, who will get lost behind TD, Billups, and possibly even Rautiins. Morris would let TD play the 2 on offense, while guarding the 1 on defense (Morris would guard the 2)
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Jackson vs. Douglas
TD was always considered a poor passer. Jackson had 50% more assists, is younger than TD was, and is taller, with 6" more wingspan.
Yeah. Okay, but does that make TD trade bait?
I think it could work, but its risky if TD doesn’t yield what we want in a trade. If we can’t get shit for him and keep him, then we have Reggie, Chauncey, TD, and Rautins. If we can trade TD on draft day, I’m down, but if not, I’d rather not have 1 vet and 3 young PGs all fighting for PT unless the PG drafted is far-and-away the best available, i.e. Kemba or Knight at 17.
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and if the rumor for sessions comes true...
than it’s even easier to package TD in a trade to move up and get a better big.
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How would a trade like that work?
We’d have to give something up for Sessions, and then with TD and Pick 17 we try to move into the top 10? Or something else?
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not sure how the rumorers would get sessions...
from a smaller deal. but we could trade billups’ expiring contract for verajao, sessions and eyenga.
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not touching Eyenga. The Cavs love him.
Jarejao+Sessions for Billups is possible, but for roster considerations, do the Cavs really want 2 old fogies playing PG? And, maybe there’s a way around this, but it seems as if any possible trade for CP3/Dwight would require Billups’ contract to even out the salaries.
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personally, i'd prefer...
a healthy verajao and 25 year old sessions and some cap room over CP3 (though not necessarily dwight). and maybe the cavs would take billups just to buy him out for the cap space. they do have 2 high draft picks. all far-fetched i suppose.
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that CP3 would be better.
Ideally, CP3 comes over with Emeka’s big contract, lowering his asking price. The we have a PG, SF, PF, and C for the next 5 years, give or take.
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personally, i’d prefer… a healthy verajao and 25 year old sessions and some cap room over CP3
no. way.
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by The Rooster on May 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The team needs one more bona fide star. Not 2 slightly above average players. If we can get Paul and Okafor (big contract), which is conceivable, this team is SET. Period.
When the Hornets realize that CP3 will be gone, they will go into rebuild mode. So if we accept Okafor’s contract, the Hornets are pretty much full of cap-room (assuming we give Billups in the deal), and in full rebuild mode. We all know that if you half-ass rebuilding and try to rebuild while keeping a core of 2 or 3 guys. This would work.
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Eh
The team needs one more bona fide star. Not 2 slightly above average players.
Highly debatable. The Okafor-CP3 trade is very unlikely, and while it’d give us a dominant starting lineup, we’d have literally no depth. Billups + somebody else for Sessions and Varejao at least would keep our depth even in terms of players, but higher in overall talent. Turiaf and Varejao make a competent center rotation and TD and Sessions make a decent backcourt
I doubt it. Role players come cheap.
I honestly watch a little DLeague ball when I get a chance, and I guarantee that you could fill out the roster completely with the guys down there. You could get a savvy PG, a marksman SG, a wing-defending SF, the only thing that is tougher to get is a big. However, I don’t know if Ewing Jr. is pissed at the organization for continuing to cut him, but he tore up the DLeague, and improved his rebounding. He may be the poor man’s Faried with a slightly better J. I’d give him a chance.
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I gotta disagree
Pat Jr. has done well in D-League a couple of times and only made an NBA roster once or twice. I mean, yeah if you search hard you can find quality guys. There’s been a number of good rotation players on teams the last couple years, but that’s a little silly to say you could fill out a roster with them.
Despite how good a starting lineup would be of CP3, Melo, Stat, and Emeka, there comes a time when those guys gotta sit down and NBA teams would eat our bench of D-Leaguers alive. In that scenario, I’m sure we could find a couple of vet. min. players to sign with us, but either way, our depth would be squashed.
If we had draft picks, maybe you could convince me otherwise, but we’re pretty much out of those
on top of that...
with verajao and sessions, there’s still more cap room for more depth.
emeka AND CP3 maybe. but 1 more max guy and our depth will be shit for the next 5 years.
by bucketsncents on May 21, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Before we go trading DWTDD
Can we admit that he played hurt most of the year and his value is likely to never be lower?
by superturboultra on May 24, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yes...
but i still say trade him if we can upgrade.
by bucketsncents on May 24, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is unlikely
An upgrade means that another team will overvalue him, and due to his injury he is underrated right now (assuming he bounces back).
by superturboultra on May 25, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather pick Montejunas if he's still on the board
Real 7’ players with a ton of polish > 6’8" garbage men
Motiejunas is a ball-stopping scorer. We've got 2 of those. No thanks.
Faried isn’t a ball-stopping scorer. He’ll get Offensive rebounds and other garbage points, making him useful
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True.
It’s not something I would have noticed watching his highlights, but after I read scouting reports saying that, it was easy to notice when watching his games.
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I agree with your pick of Faried
I do think the guards likely to fall around 17 have more upside and talent than most of the big men prospects, but I think this a case where need is so great that it outweighs the slim margin of talent.
I think Montejunas will be long gone
Otherwise, I think we’d draft him. He might go lottery, but if not, I could see the Suns or Warriors dying to pick him up.
Still not sold on Faried, Bioyombo or Markieff Morris because they’re all PFs. They may be helpful, but it’s tough to know how they’d fit in next to Amare. Even if they bring all the intangibles we need, they don’t help our size.
We have to draft faried, cause this guy is gonna be besat in this league. We should trade picks and give money to make it work.
Unfotunately Faried can go in lottery.
who on our team wants to, or can guard...
wade, pierce, lebron, durant, bosh, joe johnson, josh smith etc without getting embarrassed?
none. at least not without compromising their offense.
a guy like faried with his strength, athleticism and apparent comfort with his role is perfect for our team with 2 ball dominant scorers with fluctuating defensive interest. put him on the other teams best (after a little NBA coaching) and let him aggravate the hell out of them.
now that i mention it, we might want to consider singleton as well for this role.
Bully did a pretty good job as a wing defender.
Sadly, that guy was Brewer, but I think Brown may be a competent defender as well.
Landry is also an option, but more of a “pest” guy than a “I’m gonna match you step-for-step” guy.
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Endless debate from these picks!
I like that you go your own route with these picks and that they don’t just follow what everyone else is predicting.
I find it amusing that with such a universal agreement among analysts that this draft is quite unpredictable after the 1st 2 picks or so, that so many mocks seem to mimick each other.
I disagree with a few of your calls, but I can appreciate how you justify them so they very well could happen!
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 20, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks.
Yeah, I am trying to be pretend to be the GM of every team to decide what’s good for each team, present and future. I try to gauge whether the team is going to compete or is rebuilding.
However, since I am the GM of every team, all the players I don’t like fall, possibly unrealistically far, but hell, I’m trying.
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If Dontas Motiejunas is available at 17 we have to take him (unless another lotto pick falls to us)
Honestly, even though we don’t need a stretch 4 (which he is), he’s so talented and would be great under D’Antoni. That being said, I can’t see him being available unless he has some awful workouts.
Also, what you fail to realize is that there is a huge chance that we end up trading whoever we get in a trade for Paul/Dwight/Deron, which while it’s def worth it, it will upset many fans.
Also, don’t expect D’Antoni to play many of these rookies. He’d probably play Jimmer, Biyombo, Dontas or some other guys… he’s stubborn and we all know it.
He's stubborn, sure, but if our draft picks earn playing time they will get it.
Pringles has shown that just being a rookie is not an automatic benching
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 20, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It's asking a lot of a coach whose job will be on the line
to give major minutes to a rookie who is anything less than a revelation (or a perfect fit for a glaring hole). Landry Fields happened to be both, but how often does that happen?
Like, everyone is lusting after Kenneth Faried, but D’Antoni would never play him. He’s 6’7" in shoes and has no offensive game. There’s not a lot of minutes available behind Melo and Amar’e as it is, and they are not going to go to a rookie who is a pint-sized effort player, no matter how well he played at Morehead St.
i think mike d has shown that he plays the players who are playing best
most of our critiques of him in terms of PT is that his rotation is a little short, but very rarely do deserving guys not get PT.
Maybe Bully could have gotten a tad more time this year, but that is really nitpicky there.
He brings guys along, but TD was starting a ton of games the last 1/3 of his rookie season… moz was starting to get PT when he was traded. Gallo and Fields both played right away. Hill was starting to get some time when he was traded…
this idea of Mike D not playing guys is just a media cliche.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
There's a big difference
Between someone like Toney Douglas eventually starting some games at the end of a totally meaningless season, and [insert rookie here] being a significant contributor right away to a team with Melo, Amar’e and Billups that needs to win 50+ games for the coach to have a chance of keeping his job.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m saying it’s improbable. It really depends on the player we draft.
idk if its that different
Toney sat until he was ready to play. and by ready, i mean somewhat understands what to do.
I dont think any rookie we draft will be starting, unless a suprise #2 is drafted and steps up… any big or pg is gonna be behind Safari or Burps on the depth chart.
And they prob wont play much right away, but get worked in…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
"Ready" depends a lot on the circumstances
and I didn’t say he’d have to start, but be a significant contributor. We have a serious depth issue and not much money to spend to address it.
The thought of Ronny Turiaf starting at center next season just made me really sad.
idk man
he aint that bad at a 20 min clip. If he can maintain health…
he started over 20 games and played 20 min per for a 57 win laker team
If he can be healthy, and have a solid backup (read… not anyone with only the letter J in their initials) it wont be bad.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
You just said it yourself
He is a back-up/emergency starter for a playoff team. If he can stay healthy, and if we get another decent center, he could be fine but so far neither of those things is assured.
It was disappointing to see 6'7.5 in shoes
But I don’t think position matters too much. He could play SF with Melo at SG or PF. D’Antoni doesn’t sit guys who can play. Who has he sat? Only guys who wouldn’t play for any other team.
Small forward?
Faried can’t shoot, pass, or handle the ball. All hustle and no skill is not cute when you’re a 6’7" PF.
Jared Jeffries is really a SF and he can't do any of that either
Faried is probably at least better offensively. You think Melo would be worse at guarding SGs than Landry is? Landry isn’t a SG either.
If "he's probably better offensively than Jared Jeffries" is the best you can say
I think that tells you all you need to know. As for Landry Fields, he’s not the most fleet afoot but at least he tries. I do, actually, think Melo would be worse guarding SGs.
its somewhat a shame for JJ
that the lasting image of the knicks playoffs is him messing up that play.
Because he was having a GREAT game before that.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Come on
He’s had years to demonstrate his putrid offensive, uh, repertoire. Last season he shot thirty five percent from the field. That last play just perfectly summarized the essence of Jared Jeffries in a few pathetic seconds.
i am not trying to say JJ is a hidden gem or amazing O talent
but remember back when he was originally signed here. People were happy. He was a RFA from Washington and they really wanted to keep him. The money was a little high, but it was not considered anything insane (like the other JJ signing by the knicks which was immediately recognized as crazy). Part of the problem was that he was not used correctly until the very end.
Dude was a stud player in college. He has skills.
He should be one of our last options, but he is not the worst ball player out there.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I'd rather resign She-Will than JJ
I mean, true he was rusty, and he had a decent outing in the playoffs, but Jeffries defense he was brought here for was pretty average. I just think if we’re gonna sign guys to vets. min contracts, I’d rather bring back somebody with some offensive game, equal hustle and better rebounding and that’ Shelden Williams
i would rather have both
honestly… I dont see any reason to let either of these guys leave. I think they will both be got for extremely reasonable contract offers… and give the knicks some different skills.
I think JJ has more here to do then just play. He seems to get Mike D, and with all the roster turnover this team has had and will have… a guy that can be counted on to run with the program will help this team get on the same page.
The team really didnt lose those games cause of JJ. He didnt win them (obviously) but they lost because of injuries, poor play from TD and Fields and a host of other things more-so then Jared Jeffries… who should have been nowhere even near the discussion for last play options, but was.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
No I agree
I thought he was arguably one of our 5 best players in the playoffs in all aspects. I just don’t think he can be counted on consistently
Maybe Jeffries is a marginal glue guy.
but remember back when he was originally signed here. People were happy
Jefferies has had some good moments with the Knicks. But he is FAR from a guy we should be attached to on this team. He has had nearly 10 years in the NBA. A lot has changed in that time and unfortunately, as good as his defense has been… his lack of an offensive game very much hurts us. No, he’s not the worst player out there, but it is time to move on from him.
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 22, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Faried is a garbage man
and garbage men don’t play the 3.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a 4
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don't know if you'd really
classify him as a garbage man. At least not in the Chuck Hayes, Carl Landry, DuJuan Blair mold.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
plenty of guys play the 4 at that height and weight
Regardless, he doesn’t fit the profile of a garbage man. On a team that started Mason, Oak and Ewing, there wasn’t much garbage left to clean up.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that all depends on who you have
at the 1, 2, 4 & 5
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Garbage men are rebounders
if your best rebounder is a 3, you’re fucked.
Kinda like the Knicks.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
not if he's pulling down 11 of them a game...
by bucketsncents on May 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
name one guy
who led his team in rebounding while averaging 11 rpg from the SF position.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness
Shawn Marion did that several times in Phoenix. It’s not a good comparison in terms of their overall games—I think Faried on the perimeter at all is not going to be pretty, or even passable, which is one of the reasons he wouldn’t get much burn here. But it’s not like it’s impossible to rack up gaudy rebounding number as a tweener forward playing for D’Antoni.
Grant Hill also led the Pistons with 10/game his 2nd year
as more of a pure 3
Yeah
The problem is Faried is less versatile/skilled/athletic than any of those guys. He really shouldn’t be playing the 3.
i don't think you can say this yet...
no he’s not as skilled or versatile as grant hill (not many players have ever been)… but the kid has a lot of the ingredients to become a significant contributor to a winning team… whether with his defense, rebounding, fast break abilities, put backs, steals, blocks and energy.
by bucketsncents on May 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i have never seen him play
but descriptions remind me of david lee.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
maybe a david lee...
plus defense and shot blocking. not bad.
by bucketsncents on May 22, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe slightly less offensive game?
I feel like D-Lee always had some skill on that end, whereas the descriptions of Faried (never seen him play) sound like he’s kind of inept
his offense is definitely...
reportedly bad… but at the very least, he’ll get his points on fast breaks and put backs… and over time, maybe he develops a 10-12 footer. as long as he can hit a layup (ahem… jefferies)… his other alleged skills make him useful.
by bucketsncents on May 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Every year after he was drafted, he had to report to the media that he’s been working really hard on his jumper. I remember he hit a game-winner his sophomore year, and the big story was “holy crap David Lee just hit an 11-footer from the side.”
by superturboultra on May 24, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
if in fact we don't get a dominant big...
faried can get a lot of productive burn with melo and stat. against lineups without a true center (and there aren’t that many in the league any more)… guys like faried are invaluable. he can defend the other teams best player freeing up melo and stat… and he can work the baseline trying to clean up their misses.
it seems when guys think about productivity, all you’re thinking about are points. if faried can shave off a few points from the other teams best, limit the other teams offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points and scrape together 8-10 points in fast break dunks or put backs… there’s your productivity.
by bucketsncents on May 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What on earth makes you think he can successfully defend the other team's best player?
He’s too small to guard big post players and there’s no reason to trust he can stay in front of quicker forwards on the perimeter. He’s not that quick and he played mostly 2-3 zone in college. And the competition in the Ohio Valley Conference doesn’t exactly include anyone on the level of LeBron.
scouting reports...
size, agility, combine, video clips, interviews, hunger…
jeez, with that outlook, how can any of us make any claims as to the abilities or inabilities of college players.
like EVERY other player getting drafted, there’s a learning curve, but you can’t deny that the kid has the ingredients to guard the wades, durants, lebrons, pierces and joe johnsons of the league.
no, not the howards, duncans or gasols, but how many of them are there?
by bucketsncents on May 21, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
picking nits
But Amare played the 5 and Marion the 4 on those teams. Kurt Thomas started a few games at C.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 22, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
all we need him to do...
is rebound, defend and hit layups and throw down lobs and put backs. JJ can help defend… that’s it.
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
All he will actually do
is sit on the bench like Randolph or Corey Brewer, sorry
only if MDA wants to continue...
to get outrebounded and outhustled… which he very well might.
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever
Try to picture someone smaller than Wilson Chandler or Melo but with no jumper or handle playing PF for the Knicks next year. Not happening.
glass half empty...
if faried’s specialization doesn’t impress you… who does?
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like a PG like Darius Morris or a skilled big man like Montejunas
If we just want a goon to bang around and grab rebounds off the bench we can sign Chuck Hayes or Reggie Evans.
i like darius too...
and i’d dig hayes or evans. the options are endless…
by bucketsncents on May 20, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck Hayes
Is the goon I want on the Knicks.
by superturboultra on May 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
can somebody please...
give joey dorsey a shot!
by bucketsncents on May 24, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They have
It didn’t work
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Really though
The idea of Joey Dorsey is much more tempting than the actual Joey Dorsey. A lot of teams have given him a chance, and he’s never been able to prove himself a capable rotation player.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
it's true...
he was destined to be the next faried… woops, i mean ben wallace.
by bucketsncents on May 24, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Summer League team
If there is a summer league
by superturboultra on May 25, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
is it time to start thinkin' bout jeremy tyler?
over 6’10, 260 with a 7’5 wingspan… with impressive ups shown at the combine. allegedly interviewed well.
Not at 17. He'll really have to impress to get into the 1st round.
But if we could buy/trade for an early 2nd rounder, I think Tyler should be considered along with Trey Thompkins, Keith Benson, Greg Smith, and Rick Jackson.
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Another guy who looks pretty impressive is Nikola Vucevic
He measured out at 6’10.25 w/o shoes and had a 7’4 wingspan resulting in a 9’4 standing reach, which is the highest of the day (higher than Kanter and Benson). I haven’t seen much tape on him, but have heard that he’s physical guy who can rebound and defend.
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he's also pretty good from 15-17ft and showed range out to the 3pt lane
The one reason it seems that he’s not considered a top 10 pick is that as an athlete he’s not elite. His feet are slow and he’s more of a Z-Bo type athlete, tho with that standing reach he probably does dunk.
He’s only 20 but he doesn’t seem like it and it seems that he’s got a real good feel for the game. I wouldn’t be disappointed at all with him at #17. His style of play seems perfect for a Pringles type center and he’s still got a lot of upside. As he gets stronger he might play more above the rim.
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17 is high for him. I've yet to see a mock with him in the 1st round.
But a bought pick around 40 would put us in a good position regarding bigs.
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does a mock draft really matter?
I mean, yea judging on that it might be seen as a reach but if that’s Donnie’s boy, you draft him. And there’s usually more than a few players that move up or down from around combine time until the actual draft.
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Reaching is never the right move. Buy a pick or move back if you want a 2nd round player,
don’t waste your first on him.
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if Walsh drafts him at #17
its not a reach.
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Huh?
Um yeah, that pretty much defines reach. A second round prospect at pick 17?
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who says he's a 2nd round prospect?
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word
even if you think he’s gonna be great, you can get him in the 2nd. It’s like taking Balkman with a first, even though nobody else in the league was going to draft him.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
just like Wilson Chandler
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by Rorschach44 on May 21, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What's your point?
If you think that the guy you want is going to be gone by your next pick, you take him. If not you wait, so that you can maximize the value of your picks. Not sure why that’s hard to grasp.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Shit, if there’s no one you like at 17, trade down out of it for a late first. With that, you could probably snag a future 2nd or even a future 1st.
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except its not always a definite that there's a team to trade with
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I'm sure there will be.
Teams like the Spurs and Mavs and even Bulls and Celtics who are in “win it now” mode would want to add an NBA-ready prospect even if it costs them.
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I'd be pissed if one of those teams got an NBA ready prospect
while the Knicks traded back
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I think you're grasping exactly what I'm saying
if Vuvecic is their man, you take him.
Mock drafts are irrelevant. Just cuz some po-dunk internet dweeb says Vuvecic is a 2nd rounder, doesn’t mean he actually is.
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not all mocks are worthless
Unless you’ve seen every prospect (i.e. nobody here), than you go to the scouting websites to get an idea of their perceived value. Of course none are dead-on, but some do a pretty darn good job
I trust draft express. If Givony says a guy has 2nd round talent, I usually inclined to believe him. He’s often on the mark and rarely whiffs. And for the rare college guy I’ve seen a lot of, his observations often line up with mine.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
just like Landry Fields right....
and once again, if Walsh drafts him at #17 its NOT a reach. That’s their boy, and I’d trust them. Not you, and not draft express either.
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Dude, you're amazing
You realize that Donnie Walsh drafted:
George McLoud
Scott Haskin
Eric Piatkowski
Vonteego Cummings
Prmoz Brezec
Travis Best
Fred Jones
and David Harrison.
all in the 1st round.
Its an inexact science and nobody is right all the time. You go put your trust in anyone you want, but that doesn’t mean other people aren’t worth listening to. Especially talented people who devote their working lives solely to shit like this.
If you really can only handle something as cut and dry as Donnie=Good Everyone else=Bad, well that explains a lot
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 22, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
chill
I dont think he was saying that only Donnie knows who’s going to be good, but that he will trust him because in the end we have to. We can discuss who would be the best fit here, but at the end of the day, Donnie is the one calling the shots. that’s how i took it atleast.
You're missing the point by a wide margin
I’ll try and spell it out again: Walsh has drafted well and done well for the Knicks. IF, IF, IIIFFFF he drafts someone like Vuvecic at #17, its not a reach based on some imaginary mock draft of which the order will NEVER happen.
I’d trust that they did their scouting, their HW and their wives/girlfriends/hookers accordingly.
Whether the player pans out is a different story, but it could happen either way regardless of whether the player was considered a reach or a “steal” at that point in time when the draft happened as compared to imaginary world.
And you, also are amazing.
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by Rorschach44 on May 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You can make a semi-case for Piatkowski, Brezec, and Best
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by The Rooster on May 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
from what i've read...
he’s a backup big at best with limited mobility and agility.
not what we need.
by bucketsncents on May 21, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember how OKC traded up to get Cole Aldrich last year?
Maybe we can pull of something like that?
We could work hard on buying some late picks and combing them with our picks and cash to grab a higher pick which could be what separates us from getting who we want.
Norris Cole will be the steal of the draft...
I feel it…
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on May 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah I've watched a lot of him and
He’s this year’s Rodney Stuckey.
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I'm beginning to think our best bet is to draft Klay Thompson
We aren’t going to get a star with our pick, as just about everyone in the draft is projected to be a role player or specialist. Thompson does something that this team completely needs – spot up scoring. Melo is going to get his double teams, as will Amare from time to time, and the best way to defend that is by having spot up shooters that will make opponents pay – ala James Jones.
Then again, we have holes everywhere so I’d take anyone that improves our team.
all due respect...
klay’s on the bottom of my list. while all the guys are “crapshoots”… klay seemingly lacks too much. i’d rather a guy with the NBA body and athleticism and a skill or two, than a guy with a skill or two, but no NBA body or athleticism. the wrap on klay is that he can definitely shoot, but not necessarily with NBA defenders on him.
by bucketsncents on May 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Shelby
What do you guys think of this guy? He looked pretty good in high school, kinda like kyrie irving. His college days weren’t as hot, but so far, I know Donnie Walsh, Chauncey Billups, and Carmelo Anthony dig this guy. So I wouldn’t be surprised if we draft him.
He has lottery talent and athleticism
with a D-league attitude. It would be a risky pick but one with some upside.
isn't reggie jackson...
on par with the talent and athleticism and without the d-league attitude? and isn’t jenkins slightly less athletic with similar talent and an above attitude?
i’d like to avoid selby, unless his talent is transcendental.
by bucketsncents on May 22, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a shit-ton of PGs
I don’t love any of them, other than Kemba, but I like Morris, Cole, Reggie, and Jenkins.
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I think that is an excellent description of how I view Selby.
Nicely put
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think both Selby and Tyler are getting a bit of a bum rap from what little I know of them/their situation.
They’re being judged by the way they acted when they were 17-18. It’s been a couple years. With them having had more life experiences in those ensuing two years than I did my first two years at college, if it seems like they’ve matured and changed themselves for the better, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming they’re snowing me.
if there wasn't the one year college rule thingy
he’d probably be a lottery pick at worst.
I’d say he’s some sort of combo of Ben Gordon and JR Smith with some point skills. I wouldn’t call him a true point, but you could’ve said that about Billurps at one point too.
His talent is on par with any PG in the draft including Irving. He didn’t show it off at Kansas cuz unlike Irving he really didn’t get a chance to start from the beginning due to suspension and also cuz I’d say Kansas has a lot more talent on their roster at least when it comes to scoring.
I don’t think we’re looking for a starting PG right away with Burps here, so I think we could use some scoring off the bench. He’s not that tall so I’m not sure that he’d be a good starting 2 either.
I heard about Melo and Donnie liking him too, so that might count for something
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After doing some reading
I think I want Jeremy Tyler. His bust potential is higher than most, but his upside at a prime position of need has me drooling. Kid has like a 9 foot wingspan.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 23, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Does it worry you at all that he decided to skip his senior year
of high school?
yea I mean
he’s definitely either had bad advice or is/was an idiot. But it sounds like his time in Israel and Japan was a wake up call. It’s hard to sift through the puff pieces and find out exactly how it’s affected his mindset and work ethic, but I would assume that his difficult time would help restore his focus. Obviously I could be wrong, but he did start to come around big-time in Japan and his interviews sound convincing.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 23, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the kid's talent
but I feel like the kid thinks he is “entitled”. And that is definitely the opposite of what we should be going for. I hate ignoring a high talented dude, but I feel like he will be a headcase project versus a guy who can help us right away.
Course I could be wrong… but I’m not so convinced about Tyler’s growth yet.
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea who who knows, really?
Before he went overseas, he definitely had entitlement issues. Getting benched seems like it humbled him. He quit the first team, pouted a lot, then got benched on the second team. I think then he realized he needed to man up and started to really play well and assimilate. And all this is happened when he was 17 and 18. He’s only 19 now.
The kid has a real game. Drop steps and spins in the post. Lots of dunks. A nice jumper and an array of floaters. Nobody at his size can even touch that in this draft (maybe Kanter). And at 6’10" 260 with a 7’5" wingspan? I’ll take a chance on that guy.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 24, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean, the talent is there and his youth has plenty of time to turn it around
So we will have to see. There are so many guys with a lto of talent but no head who don’t end up sticking long in the NBA. I just hope if we jump on this kid, he doesn’t turn into another one, you know?
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 24, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In theory
This is where Amare and Melo would step up and show the young man how to make it in the NBA.
by superturboultra on May 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not concerned about him skipping his senior HS year
I think the kid showed smarts and initiative there. Why deal with the college bullshit at all? Like Jennings, he sputtered abroad but the Jennings example is a good reason why it would still make sense to draft this kid.
It would make sense that when young American guys go to foreign teams, they are not necessarily treated well by the coaches and other players. The ownership might think it’s a great idea, but for the players and coach, the guy’s a short termer who’s been treated like a rock star since he was in middle school. Plus, there’s a language barrier and playing against guys with experience. It could ease the shock of his transition to the NBA, but it’s hard to say whether he learned as much fundamentally as he would have had he gone to college for a year.
Every draft, some seven footer gets picked extra early and I think this guy and Nikola Vucevic are going to be gone by the end of the first round. Even the chance of getting a functional center is very enticing.
Jennings didn't really sputter abroad
He did what was expected, pretty much. He was playing against older veterans accustomed to playing a different style of basketball, and was used sparingly because he had so much to learn. Also, scoring is lower in Euro ball and assists aren’t recorded nearly as liberally as they are in the NBA.
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he's probably a lot like a young Andrew Bynum or DeAndre Jordan
can’t expect immediate return but if they’re patient they’ll have a big man who has the advantage nearly every night over the other team.
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with you on mr. tyler...
and the reviews on him are improving. his measurements are nice… 6’9, 7’5 wingspan… 260 pounds. and his athleticism and interviews have impressed. he’s piqued my curiosity.
by bucketsncents on May 23, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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