More Combine Results
by mindfeck on May 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT
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PrintYeah, I know that college performance is what matters most. But there are some thoughts that some guys might be too slow, or too weak for the NBA. This is where the combine can help.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-NBA-Combine-Athletic-Testing-Results-3725/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-NBA-Draft-Combine-Shooting-Drills-Results-3726/
The results show that Jimmer Fredette has great agility, and can hit the NBA 3.
Faried is one of the strongest guys tested, and can hit a shot 15-18 while on the move, but not off the dribble. He's much faster than Markieff, jumps much higher, and has a greater reach. He's now considered to be maybe a better rebounding Haslem, and we see how valuable Haslem is to the Heat.
This guy seems like someone the Knicks could get in the second round as a backup PG:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Goudelock-6340/
He is like a slow Stephen Curry, with a super quick release and great accuracy.
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Norris Cole is still looking good
Can work on his shot more, but still a great prospect…
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on May 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
Never seen him play but hard not to like the sound of this:
The most improved aspect of Cole’s game this season would have to be his point guard abilities and overall feel for the game, as he’s developed into a complete point guard capable of making all the passes needed in the halfcourt and transition. Cole does most of his damage operating out of the pick-and-roll, where he sees the entire floor at all times, keeps his head up, and frequently makes tough passes out of double teams to open teammates.
Cole is equally dangerous pushing the ball in transition, where he likewise constantly has his head up and eyes scanning the court, while he shows extremely good control of the ball with both hands, even when operating at full speed. Cole relies mostly on subtle changes of speed and direction to get by his opponent, not having a flashy arsenal of advanced moves. He uses his craftiness to compensate for a just-solid first step, as he’s not the most explosive player around, but he does have good top speed once he gets going.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Norris-Cole-6234/#ixzz1NZYMSFK7
http://www.draftexpress.com
I'd rather him as a pg prospect. Jimmer could be a JJ Reddick jr
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on May 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
cole I mean...
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on May 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not alike at all
JJ was a catch and shoot, no passing SG with abysmal rebounding numbers
Jimmer is much stronger, scores in all ways, gets to the line, and can pass
JJ can put the ball on the floor now, goes to the hoop more. Not as one dimensional, had to watch him all year.
Jimmer is a good prospect for his scorring and will probably get better in other aspects, even though you can’t teach athleticism.
He does find ways to score the ball…
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on May 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're comparing to current Redick
But stronger, then that’s not a bad thing at all. Unless if Fredette can only play SG. That would be bad considering his size.
I don't get all the hate for Jimmer
It’s like the media starts to shed a spotlight on him, and people immediately start hating the kid and start to point out all of the negative qualities he has. He’s an offensive force that would go great with this team. Can he defend? Probably not, but he’s been disinterested rather than shown a lack of skill defending. Defense, in my opinion, is a team system and philosophy. If all the guys get on the same page, I don’t think he’d be that big a liability on the defensive end of the floor.
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Shhh
I’d welcome him to the team, but he needs to drop to #17 for it to work.
by superturboultra on May 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I don't understand it either
its like just cuz he’s not a high flying dunker dropping alley-oop’s off 7fters heads, he’s a no good athlete. And cuz he plays at BYU, he didn’t play against top flight competition (never mind the fact that BYU’s schedule was rating in the top 20 hardest schedules in the nation…)
I think he’d be great here. Is he the next Nash? Probably not, but he’s probably the first Jimmer.
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I think he's like Chauncey Billups
Or a better Mike Bibby. It would probably be good to learn from Chauncey Billups
Billups and Bibby were both top 4 draft picks. If Jimmer is like those guys then
we should move along nothing to see here. Billups was either the 3rd or 4th pick and Bibby I know for a fact was the number 2 pick in the draft.
by Robert Curre on May 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he's not as good physically as Billups, but I'd argue he's a better shooter than either of them.
Bibby’s career has been prolonged/enhanced by often playing along big men who do most of the passing for him (Divac/Webber/Miller, Joe Johnson, Lebron).
At this point Mike Bibby is a traffic cone with a jump shot
But I think it’s way premature to say Fredette is a better shooter than either of them.
Man, the only thing that Jimmer does is shoot, and he does it quite well.
I agree, however, that Bibby, House, and other shoot-only PGs are rather useless.
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I didn't mean BYU Jimmer
he’ll never be that as long as Amare and Melo are Knicks. But if Burps can teach him out to PG and TD can teach him how to Douglas, Jimmer knows how to Jimmer when the time is right.
People knock him for taking all the shots, but he seems like a dude that if he took 8-9 shots a game, he’ll have a good chance of making all of them.
I like the Billups comparison, more of the elder Burps, and Bibby seems like a good comparison too. If he can be a deadly long range shooter, something I think he can do, he’d be a perfect fit here. Kid has 150lbs testicles too.
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i wouldnt mind seeing jimmer in this offense
ithink he might go well coming off the bench or late game when everyones focused on stat and melo
by lets go buffalo on May 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Which offense? the old one, or the new sloer paced half court centered one
that D’Antoni began running after the trade and is spending the off-season working out the bugs on.
by Robert Curre on May 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
here he would be a good fit, he isnt Nash, he is Jimmer
let the man do him
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by Archie Barberio on May 27, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
probably hes like barea but with less speed and better shooting
if he evolve in something like that he can be a good option off the bench
by Teutoknicks on May 30, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what happens when you have good players and/or players the media loves
Happens with LeBron, he’s great and the media used to love him and now ppl find any little thing to hate on him, even though he’s amazing.
I’d gladly take Jimmer at 17
Interestingly enough:
Tommy D had a link to a breakdown of all these “tests.”
Marshon Brooks finished in the top 10 of every category.
Intriguing?
I think we have more glaring needs, but I wouldn’t be disappointed if we drafted him.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on May 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
what are these glaring needs?
The Knicks have Amar’e and Carmelo. Burps is a one year stop gap, TD is a SG in a PGs body and Landry Fields is a Landry.
We don’t have much that’s solidified in order to talk about “needs”. We need whatever’s there.
And back to Brooks, he’s a 2 guard. 6"5 with a 9ft wingspan. We don’t have a 2 guard on the roster, so I’d consider that a need.
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He is a worse Jordan Crawford
A guy who will pass about as often as he will fly to Neptune. A scorer whose team didn’t win. He doesn’t fill a true need or is he the best available talent at 17.
His wingspan is 7-1, 9-1 is an albatross or a pterodactyl.
well first..lol at taking the 9ft part seriously....
also, Jordan Crawford passes and I’m sure Brooks does too if he had players worth passing to on his team.
I wouldn’t take his passing numbers at Providence seriously at all considering his teammates.
And yes, he fills a true need. The Knicks needs are much greater than center or PG or whatever the hell the flavor ‘need’ of the week is.
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The most delicious flavor was, and still is
Center, then backup PG, then center again, center, center, then center some more.
Way, way down the list is a scoring 2 guard. Brooks is a good scorer who has never been known for his ball movement. Something, the Knicks don’t desperately need is another scorer who will disturb the offensive flow.
Fields, Douglas, and Billups are all serviceable at the 2.
And of course I took at the 9ft part seriously, nothing you typed indicated it was a joke or exaggeration. Looked like a typo, and I treated it as such.
there ain't no list as far as needs
the Knicks suck, plain and simple. Everything’s a need aside from superstar player. Center, PG, 2-guard, backups SF, backup PF..etc. Its all a need.
Its all to be treated equally too, get the best player available. This team blows, it needs talent.
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Everyone does this when Rorschach44 posts something.
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Yesss
Draft some kind of flying creature, the NBA will not know what to do! It will be like Air Bud, only awesome.
by superturboultra on May 27, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the comparison of Kenneth Faried to a Udonis Haslem-type
you’re right mindfeck, we would welcome that kind of player here.
Some good thoughts here.
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by Chris Child's Fist on May 27, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
The thing i look at alot which is hard to do since they were college and overseas players
is who can contribute now and whos an upgrade over what we have now, or will be in a couple of years and i see alot of intriguing prospects. But you never know its always a gamble.
by lets go buffalo on May 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
That’s why I’m not so up on Singleton. Is a marginal upgrade over Jeffries worth the #17 pick when we have so many other needs?
by superturboultra on May 27, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, he has dreadlocks.
The Knicks need a guy with dreadlocks not named Ronny who can provide intimidation.
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renaldo too weak... ronny too fragile....
kenneth… just right
by bucketsncents on May 29, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Ronny has cornrows not dreads
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Once Faried gains 15lbs and develops the 15-18 foot jumpshot
that Haslem walked into the NBA with.
by Robert Curre on May 31, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing in the combine should be convincing except measurements
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jun 1, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared Jeffries kills in that drill all the time Mindfeck
There is a difference between NBA can’t shoot, and general population can’t shoot. Put Jared Jeffries in a gym and have him run that drill and the dude rarely misses a shot, put him in a game and ask him to hit an 18ft jumpshot with a guy running at him and the shot clock winding down and well you know…
I don't think Jeffries can make an uncontested 15 foot shot.
Look at his FT%. I don’t see him make them in warm ups either.
Cynacism aside, the point is the drill is pointless unless he can make them in game
conditions. I once saw film footage of Chris Dudley shooting 3’s one day after practice and the dude hit like 10 in a row, however if Dudley even thought about it during a game Van Gundy would have tackled him!
Just as a reference, Luke Babbit (Portland's 16 overall pick last year)
lit it up in the shooting drills. But he can’t create his own shot, and he can’t do anything that isn’t shooting. Thus, he didn’t earn much PT, and when he did play, he shot less than 30% from the field and less than 20% from beyond. So these shooting drills go either way
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Hoopsworld:
From what I’ve heard, the Knicks are looking for a shooter at #17, but I do think they’re going to acquire a later pick to grab a big. They worked out Jordan Williams, Willie Reed and Greg Smith so they’re clearly looking for a center that will be there in the second round. HoopsWorld
Interesting, sounds like Jimmer, Motiejunas, Brook and maybe Selby.
Reggie Jackson also a possibility.
I guess this rules out Darius Morris and Faried, however, which frustrates me a bit.
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Backing up what we already knew:
Jimmer Fredette and Charles Jenkins are the best shooters in the draft, and the Knicks should pick one of these hometown boys in either the first or second round.
I think I'd be happy with either of those 2 (REALLY like Jenkins)
I like Marshon Brooks and really want a shooting guard, but I think Jenkins could add more from a team concept perspective and though he’s smallish as a shooting guard, he’s also smart and very athletically strong. I don’t think Jimmer makes it to us. Of the 3 hvino mentioned above, I’d buy a pick for Jordan if he makes it to the 2nd round (or Keith Benson). I don’t think Greg Smith is ready (shoulda stayed in college) and Willie will probably be there after the draft (go get him then). The FA class doesn’t enthuse me at all. We need rebounding and a way to keep Amar’e at PF while being at least satisfied with our Center production (we know where our scoring is coming from). People forget a little bit how bad we were at defending the perimeter, and a healthy TD and maybe a Charles Jenkins with Landry would be more than adequate. Not opposed to seeing Faried, but he wouldn’t be my first pick…I just don’t want to see Amar’e at C anymore, and don’t think he wants to see himself there either. Drafting this way would add depth and versatility from 1 through 3 and at least put some serviceable big bodies with Ronnie at the C spot (along with Jerome Jordan).
I like either Jenkins or Reggie Jackson as PG or SG option
Either of them could pair well with TD or Billups if we went with a small backcourt. The more I think about it, the more I like Jimmer too, should he make it to us.
There’s a number of PF/C’s available late in the 1st or 2nd. Hopefully we can buy a pick to nab one of them. Or I’m cool with getting Faried or Singleton with #17 and then using a later pick for Jenkins or Jackson or maybe Selby (not sold).
Either way, my point is we should go with a combo of sizes and positions with this draft
let's not forget about iman shumpert...
the write ups on him are pretty similar to those 2, with some impressive combine #’s as well.
by bucketsncents on May 28, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Iman looks interesting.
I saw some of those write-ups too. Definitely intriguing.
by Crackback on May 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
best vertical...
and a legit 6’4 with a 6’10 wingspan… a shut down defender. little erratic on offense, but actually has the size to play the 2 until he possibly evolves into a 1.
by bucketsncents on May 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, he is very interesting
The shut down defender and 2.7 steals part is drool worthy along with his strength and that he’s only 20(?) so will probably fill out what is already a strong frame. A good guy to have defending the wades and Rose’s of the league maybe. Good FT shooter and tho his 3P sucks, it can improve with some MDA tinkering
He could play the 1 offensively and defend the 2, allowing us to play TD at 2 on offense
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It sucks when you have to actually Google a prospect
One guy I never heard of in college. Intriguing but his defensive aptitude looks a little worrisome from what I’ve read up on him. But that means little when I’ve never actually seen him
At the very least
the poor-man’s Jimmer.
Theo-trade John Lackey for a used condom and a punch in the nose. Remember, it's all about value.
Man, those low verticals are awful
I jump higher than Singler, although I’m over a foot shorter. Still, he’s not breaking the unathletic white guy stereotype
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
GARY MCGHEE... look him up guys.
dudes a load from a great program at pitt. great role player with room to grow. 6’10 265. beast strong. great post defense. top 3 per minute rebounder. good hands. low turnover rate. high b-ball IQ. low offense but knows strengths and weaknesses. 2nd round steal or FA invitee.
ahhh
Scary Gary! I’ve been meaning to do a Better Know a Prospect on him.
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Just read a bit on him
He sounds pretty good. Good size, rebounding and defense. However, most people don’t even have him getting drafted. Perhaps he gets a training camp or Summer League invited (if there is one), but that would just be a pleasant surprise. Not sure I’d even want to use a bought 2nd round pick on him
He'l probably be available
He drove me mad this year, but really, he’s a true C with rediculous strength and good hands around the basket. One thing he won’t give anyone is instant offense cept around the rim, what he will give someone is defense (forget the Kemba Walker fiasco), motor and a big body to fill the paint. If he’s not drafted he’s a bargain cuz he what he does do he does well enuff to be a good bench defensive role player from day 1. People might disagree, but he’s a smart kid and shouldn’t hurt his team when on the floor. It’s just when you see him, you expect a whole lot more. He is a beast.
there seems to be a consensus...
undrafted rookie invitee numero uno! gary mcghee
now imagine a lineup with balkman, faried, mcghee and turiaf! dudes will be scratching cornea’s across the NBA!
one of those four players belongs in the NBA
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by The Rooster on May 30, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
in a rotation, I should say
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
by The Rooster on May 30, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind McGee to play the Shelden role next year,
but only as a UDFA. If someone drafts him, oh well.
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yeah no to that!!!!!
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