What do YOU think we need to do this summer?
by hvino on May 8, 2011 11:46 AM EDT
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What moves do you want to see us make so we can be better next year?
I'll start off with mine:
First and most important, sign Walsh to an extension. Pretty obvious and almost done, but I won't be happy until it's official.
Second, obviously we need a center, but paying someone like Dalembert a multi year deal would be a huge mistake because not only does this guy have problems (he's by far the dumbest player I've ever seen), but he's not worthing cutting into our 2012 cap space. I believe that keeping our 2012 cap space is crucial, and while that might limit us this year, it will be worth it. Even if we can't get Paul/ Dwight/ Williams, (although I do think we'll get Paul, fingers crossed) we'd have some cap space in a new CBA where we could rly build some depth around Stat/Melo. So what I say is, unless you can get Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol (both would be close to impossible), don't sign anyone to a multi year deal (reason I think we should sign them to a long term contract is because we could always trade them for nothing, or in a sign and trade or in a trade for a superstar). So that means, our FA big men targets are players like Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown, Jeff Foster, Ryan Hollins, Eric Dampier, Nenad Kristic, possibly Kenyon Martin (long shot) and some other guys. There's also the possibility of trading for someone, but realistically we can't get anyone too good without giving up Landry and/or our cap space next year. So lets assume we get one those guys, like lets say Kwame or Jeff Foster.
Third, draft the best player available. It's pretty simple, while we desperately need a big man, we do need other positions as well and we can't afford to reach on a big man unless Walsh is pretty confident. So just draft the best player available. Odds are, like every draft, some guy projected for the lottery will fall to 17. Unless we feel he's not worth it, pick him up. If possible trade up and get Biyombo (most likely trading Landry and our selection), b/c he's a guy we could use and won't go past pick #7-8 IMO. Some names possible at #17: both Morris twins, Tristian Thompson, Tobias Harris, Jordan Hamilton, Jimmer Freddette, Keneth Faried (knicks like this guy apparently), Lucas Nugiera (my personal pick if no one rly falls) and some other guys. DraftExpress.com has us picking Jordan Hamilton, but Idk if I like that. I don't much about him, but he's 6'7" and 210 lbs, so he seems like a tall SG b/c he's too thin to play SF (at least for now). Also try to pick up at least one (or maybe 2) late firsts/ second rounders for cash.
Fourth, hire a defensive assistant coach. Two big names I know that could be possible are Lawrence Frank and Mike Brown. But it doesn't need to be a big name.
Fifth, sign a shooter and a wing defender for the bench. Sad thing is, Corey Brewer could've/should've been the wing defender we need, but too late for that. But some names I can think of are Shane Battier, Peja Stojakovic, Anthony Parker, James Jones, Troy Murphy, DeShawn Stevenson, JR Smith and three long shots (Tashaun Prince, Andrei Kirilenko, and Wilson Chandler).
Sixth, re-sign Shawne, Anthony Carter and Jared Jefferies (although if we get a good back up PG or big, AC or JJ may not be re-signed). Maybe sign Jerome Jordan (depending on what $ he wants and who we else we get).
So I know it's a lot, but I think this is a realistic off-season plan that could help us improve next year and keep our 2012 cap space. I didn't put many trades, because while possible, I there aren't many trades we can do without giving up Landry, Douglas and/or our 2012 cap space. Unless we're able to pull of one of those deals where we trade for an underachieving player for like Bill Walker or something.
So please post yours and comment on each others.
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Nene has expressed his interest in exercising his...
Early termination offer.
He has been a Knick before….. And he had a good relationship with Melo…. He would be great beside Amare since he loves rebounding and banging, and is a very good defender. He doesn’t need designed plays to score, he’s the perfect scrap player who would fit incredibly into a team like the Knicks which already has an indentity.
How long do we have to keep Turiaf for?
I LOVE the idea of Battier, but has he signed an extension? Battier would be the best fit at the 2 for the starting role.
Let’s face the facts, Fields is a decent player, with a great work ethic. He is a valuable player going forward, but he TRUELY needs to come off the bench. He would be a very good 6th man. He could fill either the 2-3 in a scheme with Melo and Battier starting at the 2-3.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Nene would awesome next to Amar'e and he was best friends with Melo (Melo played his first 7.5 seasons w him)
But it’s actually impossible we get him because Denver wouldn’t sign and trade him and he would never take the MLE.
Unless he doesn’t opt out, doesn’t sign an extension becomes a FA in 2012 and we sign him then, we won’t be getting him.
And I don’t think Battier has signed an extension, but Idk if he’d want to leave Memphis.
can't Nene opt out this year and enter FA?
Its a Early Termination Offer…… I’m pretty sure if the player takes that…. he enters FA….. non-restricted.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Maybe Nene will write it off as a charitable donation
by superturboultra on May 9, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Nene is as bad a rebounder as Amar'e
we’d have the 2 most inexcusable bad rebounding 6"10 players in the NBA. I’d still like to have Nene here, but our rebounding would still be horrible unless they all work on it (they’ll say they will of course).
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
There are plenty of worse rebounders who are over 6'10"
Such as Danilo Gallinari and Andrea Bargnani. How are they ranked in terms of position? Not too bad.
Gallinari is not a center or a power forward
don’t bring that bullshit in here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He is a PF/SF
He played about half his time at PF. And you only said 6’10. You should care more about positional rebounding than height rebounding.
half of his time when
when you played NBA 2k11? Gallo never plays PF.
I know what I said, and you know what I meant.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Maybe he's referring to the various "smaller" lineups
with Gallo/Chandler/Amare in the frontcourt, etc. I guess technically Chandler was “the PF,” but nobody was playing the position in those lineups, really.
There’s really no positional rigidity at all in basketball, which fans don’t get in the States because it’s the only popular sport w/o strict positions (meanwhile, soccer fans adapt much more easily)
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
doesn't matter
tho I’d question how exactly you know about something fans in the “States” don’t get.
AMar’e and Nene play under the basket. Gallo doesn’t. This is why its inexcusable for Amare and Nene to be as bad of rebounders as they are and adding NEne wouldn’t fix shit regarding this.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I was trying to be realistic in choosing a FA at the 5...
The knicks will have a real shot at signing this summer….
I mean if i could have my dream FA this summer it would be Tyson Chandler….
He is a FA and Dallas has already signed Haywood to a big contract for quite a few years….. If Dallas doesn’t, then that would be the ultimate FA to fil the 5…..
An incredible defender and an even better rebounder….. Then maybe…
CP3…. there’s history there.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Nene's gonna want at least $10 mill
they don’t have $10 mil
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tyson Chandler ditto
both are not realistic
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
PAUL-LANDRY-MELO-AMARE-CHANDLER
RAWR!!!! we can dream…. that lineup would win it all.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
with a bench of
no one-no one-no one-no one-washed up veteran desperate for a championship (cough Juwan Howard cough)
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
Look at the Heat
Someone will trickle down to us, they always will for a team like that.
by superturboultra on May 9, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what kind of soocer you're watching but most games I watch have a goalkeeper, 3 or 4 defenders, 4 or 5 midfielders, and 2 or 3 forwards.
Unless you’re talking about the Dutch NT from the 70s, every player has a pretty strict position/job on the pitch. The one exception would be a box-to-box midfielder like Vieira in his prime, who would score/create goals while just as often preventing them.
But I totally agree that basketball is the most fluid in terms of positions/role for individuals
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorta. Pique and Busquets are good examples of multi-faceted offensive defenders.
But their efficiency as a team is almost mechanical. It’s not free-form like Zico’s Brazil teams or Cruyuff’s Dutch team for example.
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
different times and today teams are tacticaly moch more advanced that teams in 70s.
youll get destroyed by counteratacking teams if you plyad free-flowing teams. Barca is all about tactic and playing for each other.
[clever retort about diving]
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Yea. Busquets and Alves are disgraceful. They should be embarassed to play with Messi
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely. Wonderful players, but their diving and exaggeration makes them very unlikeable.
It was funny to hear Cristiano complain about Barca players diving and acting. He would know, wouldn’t he?
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Every sport has defined positions for the sake of clarity
but in soccer/basketball the constructs are far more flexible/adjustable. you can make formational and tactical allowances for unique players – the players define the positions/formations/tactics, not the other way around.
In football/baseball the player has to strictly fit into the preexisting positional construct, as said construct, in all of its rigidity, is embedded into the rules. There is room for adjustment defensively in football, but very few coaches are brave enough to explore this territory and as a result the players are fit into the various packages, not the other way around
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
using a quick example from today's game
Rooney is listed at “striker” but he often dictates the attack as more of a playmaking midfielder. At the end of the day he’s not a “striker” or a “midfielder” but rather just “Wayne Rooney”
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Yes. I've always said that baseketball is most similar ideologically to soccer because of what you mention there.
Despite being the worst kind of scumbag and a grandma-fucking fat slob, Rooney is a great example of the versatility that soccer allows for.
I would argue that basketball players are more versatile than footballers though because they must play offense and defense all of the time, whereas in soccer there are designated defenders, forwards, etc.
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well basketvball is more individual sport, so players are somewhat more advanced, but football is gainng ground.
alot has to do with national football philosophy, where are major differences, between spain (barca), germany(since 2000s), brazil and italy or england.
I actually think the collective nature of basketball success is far too often understated
especially in the era of advanced analytical statistics, ancillary benefits to playing in certain lineups are often overlooked (or incorrectly attributed to the wrong player, etc.)
honestly, the growing tendency to use statistical evaluation to “correct” visual observation may be another unsavory effect of the popularity of football and especially baseball in America. just because the role of the individual is so incredibly different in basketball.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
That's interesting.
Basketball and soccer are the most qualitative analytical sports, by far. What you see is always more important than what you count.
I remember when the Lakers signed Blake this summer the justification was that the “advanced numbers” said that he was one of the best spot-up shooters in the league.
Anyone who has ever watched Steve Blake for more than a game or two would tell you that he really is a nothing player. Like pretty much any guard in the league, he can hit an open jumper and defend his position reasonably well, but he has no outstanding skills or qualities on the court. He’s average or below average across the board.
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, Blake is the worst
Anyone who watches him can also see his annoying tendency for making terrible boneheaded decisions, and for chucking awful threes in crunch time. He cost the Blazers playoff games in 2009 with his chucking. He’s as bad or worse than Duhon.
Synergy going public is massive for basketball because fans can use actual film in their quantitative analysis, but relying on hard spreadsheet data for individuals is incredibly misleading. I totally agree that basketball and soccer are very alike in that sense.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Basketball is similar that way too, think of D'Antoni's philosophy vs someone like Larry Brown
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes and no. in basketball training is always more offense orientated and individual at laest in high school and colleage.
In soccer there are major differences in fundamental approach and training since the early age. Footbalers are brought up very differently in countries like spain vs italy. Just look at germany and what they did when they changed their approach in early 2000s, now they are looking like brazil or spain, which was unthinkable couple of years ago.
Completely agree
Especially the part about Rooney being a twat, although I absolutely love his game, just as much as I hate his personality. aaahhh why does he have to be so enjoyable to watch?!?!
Yeah, the ideology is quite similar, and I’ve argued that basketball should move away from the PG/SG/SF/PF/C construct, replacing it with offensive “formations” of sorts. (1-2-2 is most common, 1-3-1 is our pre-trade lineup – I know, far from perfect but I think it’s far more reflective on what the best of coaches attempt to accomplish)
The past decade has been great in that respect, as positions have been constantly redefined to the point of becoming nearly obsolete. Fans have to move away from making classifications such as “Amare is a PF” though – the idea of a player “being a position” is far more accurate in football/baseball, but not basketball
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Rooney is also one of the most egregious divers in the game, but no one talks about it because he's English.
I think I read something along the lines of what you’re saying about basketball moving away from the 1,2,3,4,5 positional idea. Can’t remember who wrote it or where though.
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Rooney's a diver???
That’s ridiculous. Nobody is talking about it because it’s not true.
If anything he stays on his feet TOO much and allows the referee to play on, instead of going to ground when fouled.
HAHahahahAHAHahahaHAHAHAha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm5-zLu8S9U
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvywugy2Yoc&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPd8M510Ytw&feature=related
Ooops.
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOKE6n4X_qQ
Could go on all day
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
One more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF0-8RfxaJI&feature=related
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
don't be a muppet
There’s probably at least 50 more instances in which Rooney has dived over his 9 year career, but that doesn’t make him a diver.
Every footballer occassionally dives, but that doesn’t make one a diver. And if I need to explain this to you, than perhaps you rather commenting on sports that you actually follow. Just a suggestion.
Rooney definitely exaggerates contact
Come on, he did it a few times in the game today. He’s not a Busquets-level diver, but it’s certainly not out of line to call him a diver.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
He dives sometimes, yes.
He is definitely not a diver though. I’ve been following Rooney since he started playing for Everton first team when he was 16. The knock on him was that he was so hungry to get the goal that he’s done too much to stay on his feet. In recent years he perhaps tried to let some plays go, and fall to ground (especially after his fiasco against Portugal, in which he could have avoided a red card if he just fell when fouled), but he’s certainly not a diver.
For example, Ronaldo is diver. Nani is a diver. I’m a United supporter and I acknowledge that. Rooney is not a diver.
I'm not sure what line you have to cross between "dives sometimes, but not a diver" and "diver"
I think it’s fairly subjective. Basically we both agree that Rooney dives sometimes but not as much as some others. As a Chelsea fan, I say he’s a diver. ;)
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Well... as a Chelsea fan you probably consider our entire first team as divers...
But the point I was trying to make is that not every tumble is a dive. Football is a game played with feet on an uneven surface, over a course of two mostly non-stop 45 minute halves, with one official and two assistants refereeing a field at a 100 meters length.
Sometimes a player is subject to a bad challenge, but is able to avoid getting hit, this challenge interrupted the play, shouldn’t they be rewarded a free-kick? Sometimes the opposing player is grabbing a shirt, pinching, or doing something else that the official will not be able to notice from his position, diving is sometimes used just to draw the referee’s attention.
Sometimes a player just takes a bad step on the pitch, and loses balance.
Sometimes a player is just flat out exhausted.
Sometimes a player pulls something without anyone touching him.
Sometimes we just can’t even estimate the severity of the hit in the television.
There are endless reasons why players go to ground. But what separates players who dive with divers is the play acting afterwards, and the complaining to the official, and the demands for a card. You know, doing what Fernando Torres does for a living… ;)
I think what PJ's Neck is trying to say
is that Rooney has that reputation in part because of his nationality, and even if he doesn’t complain as much as Dani Alves, he exaggerates contact all the time. He flails, flops, tumbles, feigns crumpling to the ground, etc. more than necessary. Fergie teaches everyone to do that though
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Well, I guess we differ on the definition of a "diver"
And btw, the English are not the only people entitled to talk about football. I’m American and I’ve been following it since I was 12, which was 10 years ago. So I think I have just as much a right to comment on it as you do, even though your country (I assume you’re English) invented the sport.
You’re on an NBA blog, after all.
I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know
The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with being English or American
And I’m not English (nor American). But I’ve been watching quite a lot of football in my 35 years in this world, and Rooney (though may dive sometimes – see my above comment to Rooster) is absolutely, categorically, NOT a diver. Simple as that.
Point is that soccer gives you room for that flexibility
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Yea Rooney is a classic #10
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The game ain't been the same since B.I.G. died/ And Wu swarmed on New York from out that beehive
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on May 8, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and he is extreme rarity in england. and you can see that in NT they simply cant utilize his talents.
He should play for germany he,he.
he was a knick for literally 1 minute and 37 seconds before he was traded to Denver
by Robert Currence on May 8, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
At least there is some history.....
Maybe finally he will pay off as a draft pick, because Isiah slaughtered our team for years to come after that draft.
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I'd sign Walsh, of course
and hopefully he gets all the things he’s asking for in the contract that say “don’t fuck with what I’m doing”.
Marky Wark hopefully has been out on a scouting mission since he got hired here and also hopefully every scout we have lets off the smoke screen about who our boy at #17 isn’t.
As for Free agent signings…unless someone’s coming here for the vet minimum or the MLE if it exists, I doubt we’re doing anything big time.
Not sure if we trade anyone, but that’ll probably be the only way we can significantly “upgrade” the team, cuz the assets we have here NOW are actually truly replaceable.
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Warkentein is best at finding diamond in the rough guys.
In Denver he signed Anthony Carter, Chris Andersen, and Dahntay Jones to minimum deals. All 3 of those guys were huge rotation players in the WCF run. He also traded for Arron Afflalo and JR Smith and only gave up second round picks (which is amazing, if he can do that again but in NY, we’d be in great shape). He traded a future pick for Ty Lawson and got Sonny Weems (but Karl never played him).
Between Walsh and Warkentein, we should be able to get a steal or 2 this summer.
its kind of too bad we don't have any 2nd rounders to trade
nor any future 1st rounders any time soon. Only have one shot to get something good and that’s really at #17
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1) Resign Cahtah, Poop, and JJ.
2) Sign Jerome Jordan
3) Bring in Defensive Coach
4) Buy a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick.
5) Draft a C and a G.
Billups-Landry-Melo-Amar’e-Turiaf
TD-Walker-Poop-Jeffries-Jordan
Cahtah-Draft Pick 1-Draft Pick 2
Go Go Go.
IN 2012 WE GET D12
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
The more i watch the NBA now,
I begin to realize theam chemistry is everything. I’m not completely 100% sold on bringing in Dwight with Amare and Melo….
I just have some feeling Dwight will not jel with those players….. I’d definitely prefer to see someone with the likes of Tyson Chandler and CHris Paul….
I really think New York can make a run at Tyson Chandler this year especially since Dallas already has so much salary locked up for next year including the huge contract they just signed Haywood too…..
Tyson Chandler would bring the exact attitude that the Knicks require at the 5. Not to mention Chandler has played with CP3 already.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
We're talking about Mark Cuban here
And the starting center of the team that just swept the LA Lakers. Tyson Chandler will get whatever he wants from Dallas
by WSD on May 8, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft Faried and Reggie Jackson. Buy picks or trade to make this happen.
Sign Mike Brown.
Trade for Nene or Sign Jeff Foster, bring in Jerome Jordan
Hire all new trainers
Keep Turiaf
Get rid of Anthony Carter except if he accepts the minimum
Get rid of Bill Walker, Roger Mason Jr, Brown, Rautins, Balkman
Sign Sean WIlliams and Shawne WIlliams. Audition Antonio Daniels.
I'd keep him if he was cheap
He seems underrated in that everyone seems to think he’s awful, but he’s solid.
He's a great rebounder and defender who can hit an open shot.
I like him as big to fill in for injuries. Problem is he’s a PF and shouldn’t play C.
I'm a proponent of holding on to Brown.
I dont’ know what it is, but something tells me that he could be a Shawn Marion type of player for this team. Needs to bulk up a tad, but I think his rebounding numbers could vastly improve if he starts crashing the boards like a madman. He’s got the athleticism, and his defense could improve similarly if he put forward the effort.
But hey, what do I know. I still wear velcro shoes.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I figure Faried would be a better Marion comparison
In terms of hustle, rebounding, and high percentage shots.
Nene might Opt Out of his contract since Denver is going no where
anytime soon.
If he opts out, he hits FA as unrestricted
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
i hope u aint talkn bout sean williams tht played 4 da nets! – cuz we dont need him
"LOVE & HATE C AN NEVER BE FRIENDS"
by FRESH DA FARI on May 9, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
You know my signature. This team will never be real contender until it has a real center.
If I am Donnie (or who ever is GM) here’s what I do.
I trade whatever I have to (within reason) to move up into the top six picks.
It’s being called a historically weak draft. Surely some lottery team will be looking to sell their spot.
We draft either Valenciunas, Kanter, or Biyombo.
None of them are franchise players, but I am convinced that all three will be solid starting NBA centers, and that’s exactly what we need.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on May 8, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
And before someone tells me that Biyombo is only 6'9 or 6'8 or whatever.
Read up on him first. This dude is thick and strong like an NBA center, and has a 7’7 wingspan which is longer that most other NBA centers (I think, but I didn’t look up all their wingspans).
He’s an incredible rebounder and post defender. Think Chuck Hayes if Chuck was incredibly explosive and athletic.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on May 8, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I dig this.
Just afraid that there’s no possible way to move up that far without giving up what little depth they already have.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but our precious little depth is really easy to replace.
We got a couple of guys who can shoot and do nothing else (dime a dozen)
We got a couple of guys who can play defense but suck on offense (dime a dozen)
We got a couple of guys who would be surprised if they were asked to check into a game, and they’re just taking up space.
Once we get that center piece, we can totally replace and even upgrade that depth with championship hungry veterans and tough-nosed D-leaguers.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on May 8, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, but how much of that depth would other teams be interested in?
It basically comes out to Landry and Shawne. Neither of which I particularly feel like losing, if they could even be used to move up in the draft at all. Which I don’t think they will.
Aside from a Bismack, I don’t think any of the big man prospects the Knicks could reasonably pick up would be any better than Serbian Jordan. I agree that they’ll never be championship poop without a quality C, but this draft isn’t the place to grab one of em. The guards, on the other hand, are intriguing.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Loving Landry Fields goes without saying,
and Shawne is actually my favorite Knick (because of his story)
But if we have to trade them both for a starting center then I say do it.
Sometimes the right thing is the hard thing.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on May 8, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is,
I don’t think that any package with both of them could net us a starting center. Maybe someone who could start at center, but there’s a big difference between the two.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 8, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
Lopez is a squishy goon.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
they could get much better for lopez
DWTDD is coming off of a dissapointing postseason and surgury. Walker has never been a big part of a rotation, and has very little trade value. Certainly not enough for a big man of even meddling capabilities.
Any trade the knicks make this offseason is going to include either Billups or Fields. They have nothing else of value to offer.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
It's easy to say "trade up in the draft"
but honestly, paying a large price to move up into the lottery is the worst move a contending team could make. It’s tempting from a fan’s standpoint to want an unknown commodity, on which one can project unrealistic expectations without a few years of NBA production standing contrary to them.
Like you said, the draft is weak. It’s a two-player draft, and beyond that there might only be a couple of players who will make an immediate impact, let alone start for a title contender. If you play the odds, it’s highly doubtful that all three of the above players will become solid starters. I doubt that any of them play large roles in the 2011-12 season.
Anyways the Clippers already “sold” their lotto pick for about 10 mil. Lotto teams need to sell hope to their fans, and 3mil + our mid-first does not constitute hope. Anything else is overpaying.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
It seems that our disagreement is not over whether or not to trade up,
but rather how good Valenciunas, Kanter, or Biyombo can be.
That’s fair.
But consider this, I think it’s a guarantee that all three will be better than Brook Lopez, and there are still some cats wailing about how we should’ve taken him.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on May 8, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not one of them
and I think Lopez is awful, but that all three will be better is far from a sure thing.
I’m questioning the viability of trading up, really. If we are somehow able to do it, the cost will likely be far too high to justify the reward, which could very well be minimal. Even Biyombo’s stock is largely based on a few good workouts and if he doesn’t pan out, he won’t be the first young raw center to fail after being overvalued in the draft.
I just don’t think it’s a game the Knicks have to even think about playing. The lottery is often a charade of dumb optimism and false hope; it’s no coincidence that perennial contenders stay out of it once they’ve developed a solid core. (The Spurs have plenty of assets to trade up with every season – but they never do it.) Basically fans of every team make this argument every year, but the boring reality is that trading up in an attempt to strike gold is generally a very bad and unnecessarily risky idea for a contending team.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
One team that would be an interesting trade partner could be Washington.
If we give up lets say Douglas, Fields and our selection for #6 (or w.e they get), then we could get Biyombo. but would WAS do that?
this is what I'm talking about, really
These trade don’t happen because neither team benefits from them. I wouldn’t hesitate if I were Grunfeld, but that’s a horrendous deal for the Knicks
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Horrendous deal for the Knicks,
especially if Biyombo goes top 5. Then the team is royally fucked.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 8, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
why would we do that?
a solid backup PG and SG/SF for a project that will be payed twice as much as both of them put together?
No thanks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Awful deal for us.
No way.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
1. Let Donnie do his job. If you question him remember that he’s Donnie and you’re you
2. Stay out of the rumor-mongering as much as possible – do you part to make his/MDA’s lives that much easier
3. ????
4. Profit
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
the Heat have no cap room
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Gotta Love It.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Rumor has it Walsh interested in getting back Lee.
Walsh’s intention is to get a more team oriented, pass oriented
team while increasing its rebount totals.
Walsh is prepared to send Stoudemare, Douglas, Fields & our #1 draft choices,
in 2015 & 2016 for David Lee.
FrankieC is one sick m……….
Interesting if it were true
Now I know what I sound like when I guffaw.
Thank you for that.
by GAx on May 8, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
…………….
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
its already Mother's Day!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Stoudemare? Is that like a new nickname for STAT combining his first and last names?
I kid. But dude, that’s ridiculous. Enough about David Lee.
The best part is that Stoudemire is miles more "team oriented" than Lee
who intentionally got in bad defensive position and never went for blocks, in order to prepare for rebounds ($$$).
It is just me or does it smell like racial awkwardness in here?
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
considering his posts on the Rangers, Giants and Yankees
I’d say he’s just a wackball
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What does racial awkwardness smell like?
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 9, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
dude
just take it easy.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 9, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts
1. sign walsh
2. get chandler back from Denver. Trade Fields and Balkman (and more filler if needed) as long as Chandler agrees to a reasonable contract. Remember how we released brewer to make his agent Happy happy? Well, Happy is also Chandler (and STATs) agent… so payback buddy.. Slip Chandler into the starting 2 spot. I like fields, but he doesnt fit here anymore. Sorry Spike, its true. Denver should like it cause they clearly dont dig Wil and fields is a nice contract for the next couple years.
3. Draft best player available. We need alot, just get someone good.
4. resign Cartah, ExtraE & JJ. Bring JJJr back to the States.
5. See if T. Prince or ShaneB would come on a very reasonable contract. Have them run the Defense.
6. Tell Turaif that he has to relax this offseason. No Expeditions or anything like that. Just get well for a full year next year.
7. Look into K. Humphries… I feel like he could be a nice addition to our team.
Dont sweat 2012. Just get players here that are quality and on good contracts. It seems that the big guys are not hitting FA anymore anyway, so if we want CP3 or D12 we would need to trade for them, which means we need players to trade.
Hopefully the draft pick is a big man, but if one isnt there… dont reach.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
this gives us a lineup of
Burps, IllWill, Melo, STAT, Turiaf
bench of : DWTDD, Catah, Prince/Shane, Extra E, JJ/JJJr
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
love to get Wil back
and like the final squad you got there. Just think we’d at least need to find some more tall people
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I don't think getting Will back is very realistic
Not only would Denver not want a simple re-do, but I feel like Will will ask for a lot of money and while he’s a good player, we need a center and some back ups and can’t afford to spend a lot on one wing.
K Humphries?
There’s something new. Any idea what his value will be on the market?
I don’t think Prince gives us a discount to come off the bench. Battier is a good idea, if he’s down I’m down.
Although I’m wondering what all of these guys who will take a pay cut to play for the Knicks are seeing. If there was a good shot at the championship AND there was loyalty to the players, then sure, but the Knicks aren’t there yet and our fans are star-humpers and management just traded away a good guy who signed for a discount and left him to play in Denver off the bench for less than his value.
by superturboultra on May 9, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
big rebounder
is he still with that reality star? If so could push him to want to be in NYC… or LA.
Rebounds are important for us.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
My dream
Is for every Knick to have a famous wife with her own reality show/wnba franchise.
by superturboultra on May 9, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
My dream
is for every Knick to have a super hot WAG for even more reason to watch games
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
my dream is for the knicks to win the title
I dont care who is on the sideline.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
big tittied girls for everyone!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
keeping Derrick Brown is also a must
some time with Pringles for potty training will help and dude is a next level athlete, so you can’t just let them go.
Also for the draft, I wonder if they’d trade this year’s first for a future one. I don’t think this year’s class is as crappy as made out to be, but maybe the money is better off being left until next year.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeah
DooDooBrown is def worth having back, but not as a plan for the rotation.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Can we start calling him DooDooBrown?
I just made that up.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-RTMMFtedw
Sock in my pants.
by superturboultra on May 9, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
I’d really like to have Brown back for another look. Did he not make our playoff roster? Not sure why we didn’t see him in the postseason, perhaps MDA wanted to minimize experimentation.
by superturboultra on May 9, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the few things I will be happy about when D'Antoni is fired next season
and Phil “The Zen Master” Jackson takes over, his 11 rings will keep us from the scrub of the month pining!
by Robert Curre on May 11, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I fuuuuuuuucking hate this NBA coaching carousel the media espouses and fans just lap up and perpetuate.
I’d honestly be impressed if the average “Fire Dantoni!” guy could name things he’s done badly as a coach other than some generic “He doesn’t play defense!” or “His style can’t win!”
Far too many people without even a modicum of the breadth of knowledge being an NBA coach requires are calling for their teams’ coaches to be fired because…because what, they didn’t win the Larry O’Brien that year? For real?
Didn’t Sam Mitchell get fired less than a year after winning it? In Toronto of all places?
by superturboultra on May 12, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Sam Mitchell got fired after winning the Coach of the Year. That award's a pretty big joke, too.
Then again, I think he was voted as the worst coach in the league by his peers. He was pretty bad.
Looks like I don't know what the Larry O'Briend award is...
Although as a Knicks fan I can plead ignorance
by superturboultra on May 12, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the Raptors with Sam Mitchell
and I actually think he is a crappy coach. I was shocked when he won COY too. Granted I dont know what went on in practices or behind closed doors… but watching him during games… I was the complete opposite of impressed.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He was bad
Triano is worse. I feel bad for Raptors fans.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
by The Rooster on May 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
if the sole purpose is forcing people to listend to some Wu, then OK
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So are David Lee and Zach Randolph
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Dude
I mean this in the nicest way possible.
it is Amar’e Stoudemire!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Stoudemare!!!!
If you got the name right of our star player, it’s the first step in getting a little respect for your perspectives.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 9, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, let's see here. Bringing Donnie back is a given.
1. Bring back Extra E, JJ, and Cartah.
2. Look into Jerome Jordan
3. Draft the BPA
4. Sign Grant Hill, Kenyon Martin (only if he’ll do a 1-year deal), and/or Kurt Thomas (if he wants to stay in Chicago, Foster is alright I guess)
5. Possibly look into trading for Steve Nash (only if he wants to contend for a championship and therefore asks out of Phoenix; don’t offer much other than Billups and filler, and if they say no, then screw ‘em)
6. NO BIG MIDSEASON TRADES! (even if Chris Paul pulls that same stupid shit ’Melo did)
7. Win the NBA title (I’ll accept at least getting to the second round actually)
so you're saying that if New Orleans was interested in making a deal mid season you would reject?
I def wouldn’t, unless it’s a guarantee we get Paul as a FA (which is never a guarantee unless he tells Melo and Amar’e)…
Besides, any deal for Paul would be around Billups, Fields and Douglas, we’d end up losing Billups and most likely Fields to sign Paul anyways. So I don’t see why not to do it, unless if the team is really rolling, but even then, I’d trade half a season of Billups/Fields/Douglas for a guaranteed 4.5 seasons of Paul (along with 4 season w Amar’e and Melo)
I honestly think this is going to be a moot point.
Paul’s not gonna make any more money by being traded midseason vs. a sign and trade in the offseason like ‘Melo would, so there isn’t much reason for him to suggest that he’ll sign an extension with whatever team he’s with after the trade deadline.
However, I guess I was a bit vague; if the Hornets come calling, then sure, make the trade, seeing as the Knicks would be in great bargaining position. OTOH, I would be unhappy if the Knicks went to the Hornets and put NO in a position of power instead. If the Hornets aren’t looking to trade CP3, wait until the summer. Same thing with Howard, if it comes up.
we have no idea if
Paul’s not gonna make any more money by being traded midseason vs. a sign and trade in the offseason like ‘Melo would
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I don't see how he could.
Normally, there wouldn’t be a difference. ‘Melo was scared of the new CBA and what it would mean for his max contract. I can’t think of any reason that a midseason extension would net CP3 more money than a sign and trade in the offseason with a new CBA in place. I guess they could take away sign and trades, but there’s no way the players would agree to that.
well, its always been that the players current team can sign them for more then they could get
on the open market… It seemed to be a think that made sense. Not sure if that is on the table for change.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Right, but that's negated in a sign and trade.
If the Hornets sign Paul to a max contract instead of us next year, he can get the extra year; then, they trade him to us. Since we’re gonna be below the soft cap, we don’t need to match salaries or anything. Unless they eliminate the soft cap, I don’t think that would change. Of course, I could be totally confused about sign and trades and be making a fool of myself right now, but I think that’s how it works.
oh
i see what you are saying…
the moral of the story is, because of the CBA… nobody has any idea about anything.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Absolute minimum for this team next year
should be the 2nd round. Less than top 3 team in the conference next year would be a disappointment
Who do we displace?
The Heat? Prob not, not yet at least.
I think we can hang with the Bulls if we can fill in some of the roster holes.
The Celtics? They’re looking pretty old right now, I can see them taking it easy in the reg season.
Orlando has latent talent, but Dwight rumors might get to them. My advice: Let’s talk about Dwight to the Lakers! It just makes too much sense to notice how little sense it makes.
by superturboultra on May 11, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
A name that intrigues me via trade is Jason Thompson
He’s no true center, but he’s a big athletic guy who could be a nice fit next to Amar’e.
Also, Idk if Lou Admunson will be a FA this summer, but he could be a good energy guy for the bench. He was teammates w Amar’e for a few years so that could help.
If you're looking for a "defensive big," look elsewhere
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
just in the mood to be a little outrageous...
figure out how to trade for igoudala (later billups). he’d be the perfect, unselfish point guard for us… and our lock down defender. bring in ryan hollins, jj barrea and joey dorsey. draft a morris, faried, jordan williams, reggie jackson or shumpert.
If you want to give up Amare or Melo
I’m sure you could pull that off…
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 9, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
trade
cp3 for shelden williams
dwight howard for rautins
on a serious note
do we change the offense from run and gun to a slower pace bc w melo he commands the ball and waits 20 seconds to make a move..not that this pisses me off but just seems like it would make more sense…
nah
Melo fits with us, we don’t build around him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Melo is great at the fast break
Give him a training camp w dantoni and this team and the results will be great. What would b great would be a pg off the bench to push the pace…
by hvino on May 9, 2011 7:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Putting Melo in the offensive system is the way to go
Having a player isolate for every possession like Melo did in Denver is never the best way to use a player. D’Antoni is going to think up actual plays for him and have him play within the offense and he’ll be much better for it
No longer on the fence about Carmelo's awesome game face
He doesn't play because he's hurt
Dallas considers him next to untouchable
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Kidd is old
Barea is a backup
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
except Roddy Buckets is good when he plays
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by Rorschach44 on May 10, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that was his career right there.
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2-Yrs. Get Some More Pieces?
Obvious we cannot get everything needed in one year. So we should get what can be had to improve the team towards success.
Now that C.Billups is on the books for 14million dollars. Move him to starting SG.
Start T.Douglas at PG and keep A.Carter as backup.
Outbid Memphis for M.Gasol. Pay him 12/million and hope that Memphis cannot match it.
If we get him then our starting frontline is Stoudemire/Gasol/Anthony.
Next year 14million of C.Billups comes off the books and this will allow us to get R.Felton as a FA in 2012.
So then we have R.Felton/PG witht he need to get a starting SG.
Resign Shawne Williams to play backup SF and PF.
L.Fields can play backup SF.
B.Walker can play backup SG.
As for the draft we should try to move up to get A.Burks/SG Colorado. or E.Kanter/PF-C.
Second if we cannot move up is draft Jon Leuer/PF-C Wisconsin.
If these two scenarios in the draft are not options then draft for another team a player to trade out of the draft and get a pick for next years draft.
Don’t forget O.J.Mayo option to is going to be available for trade.
Memphis will have next year at M.Conley/PG, G.Vasquez/PG, T.Allen/SG, X.Henry/SG, S.Young/SG/SF. R.Gay will be back to start at the SF so that leaves very little room for Mayo n the team to play.
Memphis will trade him for a futre number one because they are not going to want a player on their roster to pay salary to for the next couple of years.
Thats why Mayo is a value trade for the Knicks next year.
Memphis is built to win this year nd will be making changes next year based on Gasol F/A and or replacing him with D.Jordan if they lose Gasol to FA.
Stay tune Knicks fans.
dude
we have no money. zip. we can’t get anybody (sadly)
and i don't really want mayo, but it is a good point that memphis has tons of guards who are young and good.
we should trade for xavier henry. i think he’s going to be good once he’s healthy/matured.
believe it and it will happen
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
sam young has a team option 4 nex season, mayo has a contract 4 nex season with a qualifying offer da season afta
"LOVE & HATE C AN NEVER BE FRIENDS"
by FRESH DA FARI on May 9, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
okay. here we go.
1) sign back The Don
2) keep Mikey D
3) Sign a big man or three. (perferbly Gasol)
4) Draft Jimmer
5) Tell Phil Jackson he can be our assistant D coach to patrick ewing after we get DW12
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 9, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
lol.
i have no idea what it is you are talking about
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 9, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
idk about that (jk)
but i am new here
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 9, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You're obviously 56TheRealLT
You have the same signature and name premise.
The only thing better than an Anderson is a Granderson.
i am not.
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 10, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, have you been talking to barndon?
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 10, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are crazy. It's obviously a different guy. Simplest way to check is his avatar. It's different! No way it's the same guy.
Checkmate, bitches.
thank you.
there is no way i’m some 56 the real lt bitch.
i am clearly lawrence taylor the real lt
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 11, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear P&T
Once again, it would be very nice to be able to select users to ignore :/
by superturboultra on May 12, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I know 56 the Real LT was. Like for real, for real.
This new guy seems less predatory and desperate for love, though. I mean it’s definitely a new guy. Just look at the sig. This new guy doesn’t have the Book of Genesis down there.
Check-fucking-mate you doubters.
This one joined the same day as the other one’s last login.
They both claim to be 15 in their profile.
They both have LT in their usernames.
They both want to fire Aikman and talk about a Prince of NY.
It’s very odd that he’s not acknowledging his previous existence, and did such a poor job covering it up. It would be even odder if someone was impersonating him, though.
Now I'm just baffled why he's so obvious
I’m pretty sure he was banned from another site, and came back while obviously the same person
are you serious right now?
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 12, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you the same guy as that other guy?
by superturboultra on May 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
why. was the other guy bad or good?
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
OK I guess the joke's over
Everyone knows it’s you.
by superturboultra on May 16, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
look.
i just got a computer for the first time when i joined.
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
*so i have never been on this site before
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Also 56 Real LT
Constantly called Lebron James a bitch. This guy’s sig is the same. Pretty much everything about him is the same
i like you stranger
but was the old guy really predatory?
or do i not understand the word
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, this “debate” is still going on??
Seriously?
If dude wants to play it off that he is a copy of another poster, fine, whatever. Don’t turn into suckers, guys.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 13, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's kind of disgusting that he thinks we're this stupid though.
The only thing better than an Anderson is a Granderson.
Wagoning since the day I was born.
let him play his games.
it only gets disgusting when we feel the need to be told we are right.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 13, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, I guess everyone but LT and I was takin it seriously.
Sorry guys. Thought it was obvious both of us were just fucking around.
No man...
Over at BBV and BGN he’s been saying he’s a different guy.
The only thing better than an Anderson is a Granderson.
Wagoning since the day I was born.
to you maybe
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 14, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
wait you weren't being serious
(lol)
idk why everyone is making a big deal of this
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 14, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
G.O.A.T.
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 12, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
thats not nice.
i have done nothing to you sir
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 12, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what I think we should do this summer
1.Watch lots of Porn
2. Drink Lots of booze
3. Smoke lots of weed
4. Bang lots of chicks, but since we are also doing lots of booze and weed try to keep the ugly ones to a minimum! Say no more than 3 ugly chicks a month. two if one is ugly and fat!
only one a month if she's ugly, fat and smells like limburger
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
according to this plan
its been summer for me since 2007
fuck them before they can fuck you
by turiafs beard on May 10, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
DeAndre Jordan. DeAndre Jordan. DeAndre Jordan.
Assuming we can all get past our naysaying initial it’ll never happen bullshit, this is the guy to go for. I know he’s restricted but the clippers are cheap, and Kaman likes to play a lot. I think we should go after him. At this time last year did anyone think we’d be exiting the playoffs with Amare and Carmelo? D Jordan is exactly what we need
it'll never happen
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on May 10, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't see any way that he leaves LAC.
At least to come here. They’d be stupid not to match any offer sheets for him.
However it is the Clippers…
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 10, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
well
i dont think we are in the “why would they come here” phase.
We have a solid team. Some real special pieces. Melo may not be my fav player out there in terms of style… but dont forget what he did in game 2. that was insane. And STAT is still a beast.
Plus, this is NYC… I think players are going to want to come here now.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I dig what you're saying, but I meant from a Clippers standpoint.
Not a player standpoint. He doesn’t leave LA because the Clippers don’t letem.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 10, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
we need more white boys to cheer lol
Victory goes to the courageous!!
ryan hollins is my sleeper FA big man...
i think he found some of the chops he was rumored to have a few years ago. i love rony, but grow tired of hoping, waiting and doubting.
by bucketsncents on May 10, 2011 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
1. trade for marion
2. sign borris diaw
3. get nash
4. sign barbosa
5. trade for raja bell
6. sign kurt thomas
starting linup:
1. Nash
2. Raja Bell
3. Marion
4. STAT
5. Boris Diaw
bench:
barbosa for 3’s
kurt thomas for boards and D
fuck them before they can fuck you
what about eddie house and james jones?
or maybe even joe johnson and quentin richardson?
by GottaLoveMelo on May 10, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lure Jake Voshkul out of retirement
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Hell, lure Moses out of retirement.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on May 10, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Moses Malone?
because Jake Voshkul can part the Red Sea just fine, thank you very much
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
by The Rooster on May 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nbadraft.net has Biyombo going #22 (to Denver)...
If he gets passed us I would punch my TV. I would be ecstatic if we picked him up… personally I think he won’t get passed the top 7 (Detroit and Minny both want him), but if he does we better steal him.
he's a guy i'd trade up for based on scouting reports...
in fact, biyombo, jan vesely and kanter are the only guys i’d consider trading up for.
with markieff, faried, jordan williams, jujuan johnson and iman shumpert as the guys i’d be psyched to get.
by bucketsncents on May 11, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
completely agreed.
Biyombo would be the best player we could possibly get (outside of Irving) in this draft, especially considering our needs and he could probably come in and play 20 mpg already.
Everyone talks about he’s the next Ibaka, which is just perfect. His shotblocking and presence would be huge.
From what I’ve read, Kanter is a huge guy who can really work around the rim and Vesley is an athletic freak (been called the European Blake Griffin). So both guys would be good too.
Add Nugiera to that second list and we agree 100%
We'll have to get creative
Here’s ways Walsh has been creative so far:
- Buying late firsts, damning the guaranteed salary. If it comes down to needing that space for CP3 or Howard in 2012 (and I’m reluctant to even mention those names, but I do like flexibility), then valuable players can be traded even if the return is shit. See: DWTDD
- Buy 2nds, hoping to strike gold. It’s unlikely though. See: Fields
- Scout Europe, find some guys too old to qualify for the draft (or who were undrafted) but young enough to compete. See: Mozgov
- Vets making the minimum. Ugh, but it needs to happen. See: Anthony Carter. Try to forget: Roger Mason Jr
- Take a gamble on a guy who needs a 2nd chance. See: Shawne Williamse
- Take BPA with the #17, going for need (PG, C) if all else is equal. Ignore media hype. See: Gallo. Ignore: Hill.
Any cap space available this year is gravy. No trading away rotation players, pls.
by superturboultra on May 12, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i am still surprised that Hill is so widly considered a bust around here
I mean, was he a slam dunk pick? no… but he is still very young and raw.
I did some checking for end of season articles about the rockets, and most give Hill around a C grade and list him when talking about promising youngsters on the roster.
Everyone and their mom knew he was a project. When it turns out he is a project, it should not turn him into a bust. he is who we thought he is.
Was it the best pick walsh could have made? No. But it was not a horrible pick.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Horrible pick
In college he was in shape, but showed up his first day on a real job out of shape. He might as well have worn a t-shirt that said, “rub my belly, I’m a bust!”
by superturboultra on May 15, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah... he looks real out of shape here at his first summer league
Those ripped bulging muscles are actually just tattoos. he is really actually fat and out of shape like you claim…
smdreads
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Also, a gem from that interview:
Mike Kurylo: Which of your teammates are you looking forward to playing alongside with?
Jordan Hill: Umm… Chris Duhon…(laughs)
Also, regarding being out of shape – there were many reports that he was out of shape, most notably from Hahn. Here’s him saying as much:
Mike Kurylo: What did you learn about adjusting to the NBA from summer league?
Jordan Hill: D’Antoni’s system is up & down and I was definitely out of shape during the summer league. I’ve been working really hard to get back in shape, and now I’m there.
Add to that the fact that he never played despite the Knicks hoping he would replace Lee, and I think it’s safe to question his work ethic.
by superturboultra on May 16, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just cut any talk about Jan Vesely here.
It looks like the dude has no real game to speak of. When asked to list the best part of his game he offered “the dunk shot”.
Pass.
Yeah, he's a 6'10" toothpick
who is going to get snapped in half when he tries “the dunk shot” against real NBA big men. Noooo thank you.
Can he post up a chair?
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
by The Rooster on May 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
4 Things
Defensive specialist to assist MDA
Backup Point Guard nobody specific
Shooter off the bench via draft or free agency (James Jones?)
Center via free agency (Dalembert or Nene or J.Jordan from Euro)
I Admire Stoudemire
I like the bottom 2
Center is obvious, tho I’d say they could use more then one. I like the idea of a shooter, cuz our offense is built around them and we don’t have enough of them.
Backup PG, no one specific….that could mean Chris Duhon.
Defensive Specialist will do more harm then good. I’d rather gets some players capable of playing defense.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tommy Beer (I think it was him at least) made the case for Robin Lopez.
I’ve been saying this for a while now, try to get him for Walker and Douglas, if Phoenix doesn’t budge trade whoever we get at 17 (unless we get someone rly good) and Walker for him.
Think about it, Lopez could come in and play like 25-30 mpg as a starting center and no one at that pick would be able to do that (unless Biyombo falls, and even then can he contribute immediately)
Lopez could totally play 25-30 mpg as a starting center....
until he makes all of his bonehead mistakes and Mike D takes him out. Dude is a dud, averaging under 4 rebounds per 15 mins this year.
You want to give up Toney for him? I’ll pass
I wouldn't be upset about getting Sideshow Bob
Although, I’d greatly prefer to keep Toney Douglas.
Also, i fear that the best reason for NY getting Mr. Lopez would be the endless yapping to Nets fans about us getting the better Lopez. A lot of those guys have some thin skin.
But yeah, if thats the best reason then this probably isn’t a very good idea.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on May 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sideshow Bob being Anderson Varejao? Sure, if he’s recovered. What was his injury again?
Sideshow Bob being Robin Lopez? For TD AND Walker? No thanks.
by superturboultra on May 16, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I would let the Suns think long and hard about signing him for $4mil next year and more after that with all of the other guys they have there, and then offer them a bag of magic beans.
by superturboultra on May 16, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Varejao's contract is far more horrendous than any injury he could possibly suffer
Keep that man far away from our payroll. Layden was fired for a reason.
"TV pays the bills in the NBA, but it doesn't do the game justice. I wish anyone who doubts the effort level could sit courtside one time, because they would be blown away by the ferocity. The players are just so good, so fluid, it looks effortless on TV." - Bill Walton
Try to get Camby!!
He only has 1 year left on his contract. Keep Shawne Williams
Camby is not a long term solution :/
I’d rather roll the dice on some high potential guys and see if anyone pans out.
by superturboultra on May 16, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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