Givony: Knicks Fancy Bismack Biyombo
by Seth on Jun 18, 2011 10:39 AM EDT
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PrintOut of context, "Knicks Fancy Bismack Biyombo" sounds like code for something, doesn't it? In this case, it's code for the rumor that the Knicks have quite a bit of interest in Congolese swat-monster Bismack Biyombo. The rumor comes from Jonathan Givony, the internet's lord of the NBA Draft, who twat the following this morning:
Biyombo lands on Sunday in NY. Has a busy schedule ahead of him. Working out for Toronto on Monday. Going to Detroit. Meeting with Knicks.
The Knicks are hoping Biyombo drops to them at 17. That's unlikely, so they're exploring moving up. May have to jump ahead of Warriors at 11
Biyombo is a beguiling prospect. He's a tireless, viscous (yes, VISCOUS) defensive player, but not remotely soft of hand, as was made clear to us in this "hey, let's make Bismack Biyombo do all the things he sucks at and film it and put it on the internet" video from a few days ago. Here's video of Biyombo's conversation with Chad Ford, and here's the interview with Scott Howard-Cooper in which Biyombo declares that he will lead the league in rebounds and blocks. Kinda gives me chills. The guy boasts quite a few of the assets that I find most arousing: defensive focus, a hustler's mentality, limitless chutzpah, a weird accent, and a really fun name. Unfortunately, I'm not the only one with a basketboner.
As Givony explains, the Knicks' chances of drafting Biyombo hinge on either a timely dwindling of his draft stock (especially in the eyes of the Warriors, it seems) or an opportunity for New York to snaggle a lottery pick. Trading up is always a frightening prospect, and with the upcoming spate of workouts, Biyombo's perceived value might be headed in an inauspicious direction. Or maybe he'll find himself totally enamored upon meeting with the Knicks, poop his pants in all the other workouts, and fall to New York at 17. IT COULD HAPPEN.
While I see the value in an additional ballhandler or shooter, the possibility of drafting a big man that can defend and/or rebound is most intriguing to me, offense be damned. Biyombo and, to a lesser extent, Kenneth Faried strike me as excellent candidates to work backboard duty behind Amar'e Stoudemire. (Timeout to giggle at "behind" and "duty"). I'm not as intrigued by a more polished, less bangerific big guy like Donatas Motiejunas, who will also be in town this week. But that's just me.
Biyombo has been analyzed in these parts before, but I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts with regards to this most recent rumor and with the draft just days away. Just general thoughts, really. About anything. What sort of player would you like, ideally? Which prospect intrigues you the most? What's your favorite melon? Have you ever eaten a canary melon? I ate one of those last night. Are you okay with that?
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by blackhova on Jun 19, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Having just seen the workout video of Biyombo,
I think its one of the best things that could possibly happen for us. He looked AWFUL on offense, which may scare many other teams away. We, however, need two skills he apparently has (defense and rebounding). The more he sucks at jump hooks and 8 foot jumpers the better it is for us. Hopefully he keeps missing free throws and falls to 17. Also, regarding his offense, he can throw it down, and that is ALL we need him to do…get a putback, dunk it…get open, dunk it.
It's some fancy brick laying if you ask me
And it doesn’t sway me in the least. If the Knicks are relying on him to hit those shots, then D’Antoni’s doing something wrong.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
that video was painful
right at the beginning when he missed a routine layup you can hear the crowd go “ohhhhh”
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and there appears to be a Dwight Howard poster on the wall?
slap in the face right there
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got a Knicks tattoo!!
But with regards to Biyombo, we don’t need him to do anything on offense, at all. And I highly doubt that he won’t develop a solid 15 ft. jumper under D’Antoni for the time we have him here. I hope we can draft Biyombo and a solid PG prospect.
My Dream Scenario: We draft Jimmer by trading the 15th pick for TD and proceed to draft Biyombo with the 17th pick.
Watermelon’s pretty good.
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We'd rather have Jimmer than trash, thanks anyways though...
by Justin Arnold on Jun 19, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you clearly don't watch basketball
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 19, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't need him to do anything on offense at all?????
highly dubious statement. Basketball is 5 on 5 and if a team can paly 4 on 5 with him on the floor it hurts us on offense. You are correct that the Knicks may not need him to score 20 pts a night, but what I just saw of his offense, he will be a liability on that end of the floor. You have to be able to do something to make your man have to play you honest at least. He does appear to be an athlete though so given time he might learn how to do a few things on offense. Hell even Dikembe mutombo had a decent jump hook when he came into the league.
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got good footwork, so he can get around slower guys and dunk it. Unfortunately, that wasn’t one of the drills in that video.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll have to be guarded...
if for no other reason than to prevent him from cutting to the basket for alley oops or put backs. that’s enough to keep the other team honest.
by bucketsncents on Jun 20, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Scares the shit out of me that they're thinking about trading up to #11 for him
I’m not sure if I’d take him at #17 if he was there either. Would much rather trade up for someone with some potential like Valaciounas or even Jan Vesely if he’s falling. Maybe even Jimmer or Kawhi Leonard for chrissakes.
Glad to see they’re bringing in Montiejounas too tho. Much prefer getting him with our pick, he’s a much better fit.
I like watermelon and also melons that come in pairs. I never had a canary melon tho. I never knew they existed actually.
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Similar to a honeydew, but yellow and kinda more citrusy tasting.
What do you know about Motiejunas that makes you like him? I know very little about him.
I don't really enjoy honeydew
And I never got how people liked it compared to watermelon. But pairs of melons are the best, although not in every situation.
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I love honeydew!
tho I agree, its nothing like watermelon.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Montie reminds me a bit of Gallo
he doesn’t have the elite rock handling skills, which is why he’s not as good, but he does a bit of what he did. He’s also taller and a bit longer, probably a better fit for a forward position then Gallo.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like he's gotten stronger too
His recent videos he looks to have bulked up and Givony tweeted that he got too big.
Good news IMO.
and that he can't actually shoot too well and has no other skills
And has awful body language and work ethic. total bust.
that he can’t actually shoot too well and has no other skills
just admit you’re guilty of watching his first workout and then concluding that. You’ll be forgiven at least.
I mean…come on.
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then you would've saw and read that he's actually a very good shooter
runs the floor well for anyone, not just 6"11 and while maybe the work ethic is questioned, but the dude added a bunch of weight over the offseason so he can be thought of as more then a tall SF.
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a lot of people are considered good shooters
But their shot selection doesn’t actually help a team. He, like Andrea Bargnani, is one of them. And atrocious defense more than counteracts any offense.
if he's like Bargnani
that’s a hell of a pick at #17
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 19, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Work ethic issues are always a red flag.
And definitely a way to get on Pringles shit side. Remember Jordan Hill, D’Antoni had issues with his work ethic and as a result dude got buried on the bench.
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
work ethic issues are always overblown and misinterpreted
and can always change, either way, when you enter the NBA
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I have never heard of a guy who had poor work habits before
entering the NBA who became a hard worker once he got in the league. If you come in lazy you usually stay Lazy. Think about Eddie Curry, considered talented but with potential work ethic issues, well guess what, never became a hard worker did he?
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Eddy Curry is one example that never changed
Wilson Chandler is another that did change. Plenty of others that did or didn’t.
It happens. Also the point of the matter is the work ethic shit can sometimes be one scout’s biased opinion. Some people just look like they’re not trying, so its called bad work ethic.
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Wilson had a rep for being lazy?
I remember he had a rep for being shy and having a low bball iq, but I never heard lazy or unwilling to do whatever it takes with a smile on his face (well, maybe a blank look on his face). I actually remember hearing the opposite.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he loves the kush
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nah I heard that Wil had questionable work habits
but obviosuly it wasn’t true, which is the point.
Just cuz a kid gets the rep of not having a great work ethic, doesn’t mean he’s lazy or won’t be that way when they get to the NBA
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he does remind me of Gallo too
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I might his one of his biggest supporters on this site.
BisKnick (see what I did there?) would literally be the best fit in this draft for us. Our two biggest needs are rebounding and shot-blocking. What are Biyombo’s two biggest skills? Oh yeah, rebounding and shot-blocking. Seems like a perfect match IMO. His offense might be absolutely horrible, but scoring isn’t a priority when we have Melo, Amar’e and Billups. Besides he’s still great at dunks and offensive rebounds, so it’s not like he’s useless on that end.
Think about it, we’ve all been clamoring for Tyson Chandler or Deandre Jordan, and Biyombo is in the same mold. He might be like an inch or 2 shorter, but he’s a legit 6’10". Kevin Love measured at like 6’7.5" and is listed as 6’10"… Bismack is at least an inch taller than him and is so much more athletic. He’s more than capable of coming in immediately and giving us minutes.
The one that comes to mind and worries me
Is that unless the guy becomes an expert at avoiding 3-second violations, he’ll need to spend some time on the perimeter on offense. Picture how much harder it was for Amar’e et al. to get easy opportunities when non-shooters like Turiaf and Jeffries were on the floor. I don’t think it’s damning, but he’d either need to develop SOME sort of midrange game or be an expert at spacing to not hurt a team like the Knicks somewhat on offense.
Well him shooting jumpers in front scouts has to mean that he's been practicing them.
Like him and his agent can’t be that dumb. I think he’s probably been working on it a lot and just got nervous. We’ll know more after his workouts in the states.
My main concern is that he could be very foul-prone in the NBA. Considering he goes for everything and we have much better athletes who can create contact. Especially as a rookie, he’ll get no respect from refs.
But I still think he’s worth giving up 17, Landry (or Douglas) and Cash for. Like I would pull the trigger on that trade without hesitating.
Then just buy a late first (plenty are available: maybe #20, 25, 28, 29 and 30 off the top of my head) for a good PG (Looks like Selby and Reggie Williams are falling into the late 20s) and a 2nd rounder for someone like Goudelock.
Not worth giving up more than a pick and cash. Landry and Douglas are extremely valuable to this team
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 19, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Knicks actually blocked plenty of shots last year
that wasn’t even remotely our problem
You're half right
I think they even led the league until the Melo trade. It’s the times that they didn’t block it and didn’t secure the rebound, which led to lots of easy baskets. The problem is that the blocks they were getting were unsound.
It’s akin to getting steals by gambling and running out past the 3 point line. If you get the steal, great, if not, your team spends the rest of the possession playing catch-up.
Biyombo can block a shot as the primary defender looking you right in the eye, which is a different type of block.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
although in the interview
he said he’ll be getting help blocks. he’s block hungry and he’ll probably be out of position a lot. he says he’ll lead the league.
For once I agree with you mindfeck.
Shot block happy guys tend to be defensive liabilities when the come into the league. Often in foul trouble and to easy to get out of position because they are always looking for the block. Most fans think guys who block alot of shots are great defenders because they see the blocked shots. What ou don’t see is the times he gave up easy scores because the slightest hint of penetration gets him to wander from his man.
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And then there's guys like Dwight Howard
Who can block shots without giving up position on their own guy.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Example, Dwight Howard is the most overrated defensive player in the league
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a laugh
Dwight is every bit as impactful on the defensive end as he gets credit for. Even ignoring his statistics, he makes every player change their shots in the paint and make passes they didn’t intend on making when they drove.
If we’re talking about overrated defensive players, my vote goes to Ron Artest (currently, that is)
and just because a guy is known as a shot blocker...
doesn’t mean they’re bad at defense. do we have evidence that he’s actually bad at moving his feet, staying in front of his man, rotating when his guards get passed, staying on his feet for fakes or drawing charges? if there’s evidence, than i’d be more concerned but i haven’t heard any.
by bucketsncents on Jun 20, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan's more of just a shot blocker and finisher
and he’s also a legit 7fter. The Clippers still suck at defense despite this cuz Jordan doesn’t really understand defense.
Chandler on the other hand, understands defense. Help defense, switching or not switching, boxing out, tip outs, man-post defense, all that good stuff is what he excels at with being a good shot blocker too. Took him awhile to learn this of course, but for those clamoring for Chandler, this is why.
Biyambo’s much more similar to Jordan. Which basically Amar’e Stoudemire except actually trying on defense. Which isn’t very good aside from shot blocking, which as flossy said we had plenty of last year.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we're all in agreement...
that being good at defense does not just mean you can just jump high and block shots… but other than kurt thomas (old and slow, but worth a cheap look), tyson chandler (married to mark cuban) and our very own rony turiaf (aka. mr. glass), there just aren’t that many smart, veteran post and team defenders out there… which means we gotta find something of use because going small just isn’t going to cut it, and amare won’t last.
guys like deandre jordan, javale mcgee and even SMACK! biyombo (yup, made that up) are too young to know the intricacies of team defense… but they can most certainly help us with their length, energy, bounce and intimidation.
we need big… but we can’t have big and plodding… we want smart… but we’ll have to do with receptive to learning.
by bucketsncents on Jun 18, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
thing is
we’re considering trading up for this sort of player, who while he’s learning will foul a ton and be out of position a ton leading to a lot of those easy baskets we’ve grown used to entirely too much.
Again, this is why the Clippers and Wizards suck at defense despite having players that from a grass is greener approach, seem to fit. They’re basically slightly better Ronny Turiaf
Maybe it opens up some cap room to sign a legit starting C. I agree we need multiple bigs. But at the expense of Landry and/or TD as well as passing on a better player? Not ready to do that.
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Which is why
I’ll continue to bang the Chuck Hayes drum until the dream is over.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan's also a seasoned veteran
He wasn’t much use there either until well after he was traded to New Orleans.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This Golden State being ahead of us in the draft thing reminds me of the Stephen Curry draft...
I remember we were all set to draft the boy then WHAM! Golden State takes him out of nowhere…I have a feeling Biyombo will be a good player, not a superstar but definitely one of those pieces similar to Serge Ibaka etc. He just looks so damn athletically gifted it kind of scares me…Wouldn’t it be great to have Amar’e mentor this kid? He may develop an offensive game yet.
As far as trading up for him, I’m actually cool with that. We need defense more than we need any of the excess we have right now on our bench.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jun 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I would hate to see him go GS and become really good.
Especially considering how good Steph Curry has been and how Jordan Hill never did anything except help us get 2010 cap space.
GS just drafted Ekpe Udoh
basically a better version of Biyambo, at least entering the draft and they already have Dziedzic’s doppleganger, Andris Biedrins. They’re not drafting Biyambo.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Golden state and making sense
dont normally go together
cough*MarkJackson*cough
Cant you see him thinking he is getting the next Ewing and turning GS into the NYC on the west coast or whatever bull he is spewing?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I can see it now
“You’re talking about a guy that can come in, and immediately make an impact on the defensive end of the floor. If I’m Bismack Biyombo, I’m going ‘Excuse me, Mr. Biedrins, but it’s my turn to play the center position now, and Ima show you the meaning of protecting the basket’.”
“No more ’let’s out-score the other team’, the Golden State Warriors are playing lockdown defense.”
At first I felt really good that the Warriors hired him
You know, so that he wouldn’t be talking about the Knicks anymore. But then I realized, there are 15 grown men and countless other employees on the Warriors who are going to have to listen to this man’s drivel every day, and that’s kinda sad.
by superturboultra on Jun 19, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
and i remember our thinking coming in to 2009 draft was..
GS won’t draft Curry.. they got Ellis
by JVGsDietCoke on Jun 19, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Great point but...
I don’t know enough about Larry Riley to not believe he is like David Kahn.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jun 18, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
only way I can see him doing it
is if he’s senile enough to believe the Biyambo to young Dwight Howard comparison. I don’t think even Kahn is that batshit insane.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel you...
It’s just that these GM’s have a way of surprising people with their ridiculous evaluations of talent.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jun 18, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
and/or their team's needs.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jun 18, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ekpe vs Bismack
I don’t see the comparison, unless we’re talking about having non-European names.
Ekpe is pretty fluid on offense and struggles in rebounding. They’re both good shot blockers, if that’s what you mean.
And having Biedrins is a plus, as he won’t last forever, and would allow Bismack to grow at his own pace.
Hopefully all the rumors are a smokescreen, and they’re looking at Burks, who I think makes sense for them.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ekpe Udoh is fluid on offense?
I’d say that’s the case as much as Biyambo is fluid on offense. He’s all defense, putbacks, athleticism and being 6"10
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I don’t think biedrens is in their long term plans. His game really fell off a cliff.
by ben linus on Jun 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's got a player option for $9mil in 2013
they don’t really have a choice
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked like a solid center for awhile
But he just can never stay healthy and yeah, his game fell to pieces. They’re definiutely paying for it
“Yes, Mr. Biyombo, of course you deserve a max salary as soon as possible…”
- our next GM
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
racist.
no really. I mean, why isn’t anyone worried about any of the other foreign player’s age?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 18, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
No, that's true.
But almost the entire middle-section is. I’m only going to get myself into trouble here, but the point is that Rorschach’s point is well taken, I’m just mirroring the concerns NBA GMs and whatnot have had.
Blah blah blah.
Actually, now that I look...I'm wrong.
According to the original purpose of the “#-world” thing, it is. Then again, the original purpose is kinda weird.
BUT ANYWAY, point taken.
I don't think GM's are as worried about his age as they are about the brick laying show he put on for them
His agent had doctors x-ray him, and showed that his bones are still growing, meaning he’s at least younger than 20.
I think it’s a plus that he’s so well grounded that GM’s think he’s older than he is – it means he’ll have some perspective and relatability (if that’s a word), which is always nice as a fan.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
According to the bone test
18-19, but it’s not like it’d make a difference if he was 22 imo
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kinda does. It means he has less "potential" and the older he is, the less chance he'll get much better.
But personally, for us I don’t think it matters if he’s 18 or 22.
Yeah, that's sorta how I see it.
Where he’s from in the Congo must not be that strict about birth certificates. I doubt that he’s, ya know, OLD, but maybe he’s not actually 18. Whatever.
i think i would be a little happier if he was like
20.
a more mature human.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Thanks to Donald Trump it’s now OK to think someone is born whenever or wherever you like. If you want him to be 20, HE WILL BE 20.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
"According to the bone test"
Pause?
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jun 18, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
no
no more pausing
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by Taylor Made on Jun 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
comes pre-assembled with appropriate KNICKname...
SMACK… bismack fits us like a glove, though it’ll have to be pretty large glove because of his enormous hands, and preferably a glove with some stickum on it ‘cause he doesn’t seem to have very soft hands… though with his absurd wingspan, strength, hustle and ferocity… his hands will only be asked to do things he’s more than equipped to do… and exactly what we need.
trade up… pair SMACK with turiaf and jordan
buy a 2nd pick… and get our backup PG or slashing 2.
bring in bonzi, javaris and/or joe alexander to make up for the loss of TD or landry
I don't know about any of you
but I’m terrified about this draft, especially if we are going to use one or even two of our limited assets trade up.
I like the idea of swinging for the fences. Right now, I feel like we’re going to be on par with Chicago next year. Something will need to shake out to put us on par with Miami right?
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And also
If the Knicks whiff, I’ll still be a fan so it’s cool. I want my team to really go for it at this point.
by superturboultra on Jun 18, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Biyombo has me feeling all sorts of strange feelings.
It’s like puberty all over again. There are strong arguments going in both directions – he’s a dynamic defender but can’t score to save his life, etc. If he would be available at 17 I wouldn’t be so twitchy about it, but trading up to pick a fella can easily blow up in the Knicks faces.
Although a Bismack/Selby draft would have me all sorts of geeked. And watermelon > canteloupe > honeydew. Need to try canary melon.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
What are the chances
that the a headline regarding a draft prospect would be identical to the name of a dance the Knick city dancers are working on? Could be kismet.
I don’t know. I’m still putting Vucevic ahead of this guy but I also realize that I could be incredibly stupid.
I’m overwhelmed to the point of zen about this. I can’t speculate any more. Can’t wait until Thursday. It will happen, one way or another. If the fates determine that Biyombo is a Knick, I’ll love him as if he were my own son.
by fuhry on Jun 18, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that's it...
let’s trust in the cosmos. thanks…
by bucketsncents on Jun 18, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait either
all this talk about a weak draft needs to end now. Sure it’s not very “sexy” but its deep as hell and I can’t wait for the draft thread.
that’s a pause to boot.
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i like all these 2nd level guards
guys like jenkins… that we may be able to buy a pick and get.
so many names that sound good have been previewed here, seems like some will have to fall a little.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I got a question
How similar are the predraft reports on this guy to the reports when Mohammed Sene and DeSagna Diop were coming out? Not tryna make a generalizations about African players but both guys were top 10 picks that had good shot blocking and rebounding potential and no offense. To me, that sounds a lot like Bismack. Plus, they had better length as far as I remember. Idk, I’d love sone defense and rebounding but I don’t hear anyone calling for Desagna Diop.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he is alot more athletic and slightly better offensively
by jadedeed2327 on Jun 18, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he is not slightly better offensively than anybody in the NBA
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 19, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK why I think this...
but I feel like since (1) there is some hope of getting a big in FA; (2) there is some hope in landing a future PG either at the trade deadline or in Summer 2012; and (3) trading up is definitely not worth it this year, we should be looking for SG. I would preferably like a SG who is either a potential lockdown defender or a playmaker.
Draftexpress currently has Alec Burks falling to us. I know I’m probably in the minority here, but I think Landry will be more useful as a six-man (sort of how OKC uses James Harden) and as such, a SG who can create for himself or others like Burks can would be phenomenal.
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i agree said and he is a lottery talent alos billups is more of a scorer than a passer
so having a 2 guard who can create for others run a P&R with amare would be big either way at 17 burks or biyombo or klay will be there it will be a strong draft for the knicks
by howardsternspenis on Jun 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Marshon Brooks!
or Bismack. That man is scary.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 18, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
Who is this guy? Bizarro Amare?
I feel the same way about Bizarro that I do Jimmer… I love him and hate him simultaneously. The shame is if we do draft him, MDA will NEVER play him because of his offensive deficiencies.
we knew he played jj and jj sucked bad on the other end as well. the thing is though he just needs to show up that he plays hard in practice and he gets minutes.
landry did it, mozgov did it and i can’t see why bismark if and when we get him shows up and get minutes.
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bismark?
is this guy Congolese or a German battleship from WWII?
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lol my bad!! it's bismack!!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I've done the same thing
and couldn’t let that slide without a corny historic reference, so thanks.
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
STALO?
standing tall and limited offensively?
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
stat was this back in his rookie year before mike d'antoni made him in to what he is today
Victory goes to the courageous!!
mike does have a good track record of teaching
players how to harness their jumper.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
if he can make a brick like jj poop even for a bit...
yeah that’s a great track record
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I propose Smackdown
That is after all what he does, no? And if he turns out to be a stiff it still works pretty good in an ironic way.
so he'll layeth the smackethdown?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
bizarro amare...
genius. the antithesis of amare… which is why we need him.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
forget Bismack, Singleton, or Faried
we have Solomon Alibi on the Bayhawks roster!! 7 footer son!! Jimmer all the way!!
(this comment is a joke)
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
anyone know when they actually do set NBADL rosters?
(Too lazy to look it up myself, flipping between here and Strikeforce. PS. I’d take Overeem on the Knicks if he were into basketball, he could trade knee strikes with Dwight)
are you saying Alabi won't be a Bayhawk next season?
(wipes tears)
damn even the hyrid affliated Knicks can’t wait to wash their hands of 7 footers
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not saying that - just curious since we had that group in recently
with Crit and Joe Alexander, etc… so I’m assuming that roster isn’t set since they also had Ivan in who’s supposedly already on the roster. Nutshell, I know nothing about the D-League. But Toronto “owns” him correct? Does that mean he can’t play on the Bayhawks since they’re now our affiliate? I know you’re joking but I’m actually curious.
I figured Toronto has his rights
and have no idea what happens when an NBA team forms a hybrid affiliation with a team that already has guys with rights to other teams. Toronto may move him to protect him for all we know. I know more about the WNBA than I do the D-league unfortunately. The fact that we are talking about Alabi at all as an option is highly hilarious.
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, you ever see the Leonard Garcia and Korean Zombie fight?
Probably the worst display of technique ever, but one of the msot exciting fights; just swinging haymakers for 3 rounds lol
I put on some blind melon
after reading this post.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I really like this kid...
but I don’t know if trading up is the best idea, or even how the knicks could make a trade given the state of the current roster. if he’s there at 17 I’d take him, having a potential starting center on a rookie contract is exactly what this team needs going into next summer with all the PG’s hitting the market
I just creamed my pants
this is the guy we need at Center
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
or backup PF
with Jerome Jordan at center
by total hermination on Jun 18, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
this kid is young man
he is going to be scary good in a few years, I think IF we want to move up for anybody, than this is the guy
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
If he becomes Ibaka, we win a championship
so drafting him is a pretty good idea.
Ibaka is awesome
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 19, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Ibaka still has a lot to learn . . .
He has the tools to be a great defender and I think he will soon, but he still needs some know-how. He was super weak defending Dirk. I know it’s Dirk freaking Nowitzki aka the owner of the most unguardable shot in the NBA, but there were several times when Ibaka was on him and I was like, you cannot give Dirk that type of space and then what do you know, boom Dirk hits it in his face. He did the same thing with Zach Randolph come to think of it.
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We almost need someone who is awful at offense!
Let melo and amare do that shit
I wouldn't say we need somebody like that
It’s just that he won’t be as big a liability on the offensive end as he would on a different team. But we do need him to be awful on offense so he can fall to us.
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i do think it's an actual benefit that he suck at offense...
which i know sounds absurd… but a guy who’s shit at half the game, is gonna know he’s gotta bust it every second of the game at the other half just to stay in the league.
guys who come in to the league with a rep for being all “specialist” are going to work to make it real hard to keep them off the floor (singleton- man to man defense), (fareid- rebounding), bismack (anchoring the defense). i like these guys.
i mean look at amare… he’s a specialist.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say it's the mentality of the player
If you need to be a specialist in order to bust your ass on both ends of the floor then that’s not really a good sign. NBA players should want to play at 110% all game to prove themselves, especially rookies. I get where you’re coming from though, and Biyombo seems like the type that has accepted his role as a defensive anchor. If he becomes anywhere near what Joakim Noah has been for the Bulls after we draft him then we have a very good shot at the title (if, of course, we sign a bench and backup PG).
Rorschach is right though, offense seemed to be a problem at times last season after the trade. I know half our roster went away and the PG didn’t know the system, but I can’t help but wonder if it’s because we had a struggling Fields at SG and JJ at center.
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I'd hate to have that
we have 3 players that are good at offense. Landry at this point is a ?. Cannot have a Jeffries on offense, you go nowhere.
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I think Bizarro, right now (without a day of NBA practice), can finish around the rim better than Jeffries and can be a better defender. He seems to attack the rim with ferocity, and playing with Amare will only enhance that.
What I like about him defensively is not only his willingness to contest every single shot he can get to, but he also seems to have quick feet and can cover a lot of ground. So he can not only be an awesome weakside shot blocker, but he can also disrupt passing lanes.
But for me, its just a huge gamble. Its so hard to tell whether he’ll be able to out-athlete people in the NBA the way he does against his current competition. And then there’s the whole issue of him adjusting from the Congo to NYC.
Bizzaro is pretty much the Congolese version of Kevin Seraphin
does anyone give a shit about Kevin Seraphin? There’s really nothing different aside from their home country. Both are tall, both are most definitely not someone you need to worry about bulking up, both have long wingspans and both are in the elite category as far as athleticism.
He’s a good prospect, but extremely raw. Seraphin basically blocks shots and dunks and was thought to be a good rebounder. Sounds familiar, huh.
And I’d be extremely worried about a player who was unknown before the Hoops Summit and then got a triple double, then he’s got all this hype.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
seraphin is 275 pounds...
and would actually be a welcome addition to our frontline (as would booker, mcgee or ndiaye). he’s not nearly the athlete bizarro allegedly is, but a guy who is young and knows his role from day 1 and works at his deficiencies would be a great addition. a known commodity would be great, but i’m of the camp that wants to build a team for the long term, and not just for 1 or 2 years at a clip.
and i don’t think it’s possible for anyone to be worse than JJ at offense. by the end, he was timidly going up for layups… the benefit of being young and more athletic than everyone else on the court is that you just try to dunk on peoples faces.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Seraphin would be a fine backup
yea, they need all the help they can get, no doubt. But like I’ve been saying, its not like this dude is someone you want to trade up for with someone like TD or Landry.
Seraphin is just an example.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Seraphin got drafted 17th
Coincidence???
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I hope not
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
TD and cash...
for seraphin and the wizards #34 pick? wizards need a backup PG with defense and have an abundance of young bigs. we use our 17 and 34 on best players available.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Seraphin's not available
so what’s the point
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
they just made a qualifying...
but if you look at their roster, they’re very frontcourt heavy, and planning on drafting another frontcourt guy (vesely, leonard). they might be a team looking to deal, and pick up a young veteran in return. just an idea for ideas sake.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
they'll probably be trading Andray Blatche before they trade a kid they just drafted last year
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
blatche is a piece of shit...
though you are right, and he does have some offensive ability.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I must admit
if we drafted Biyombo I would order my Biyombo jersey as soon as I found out what # he is wearing
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 19, 2011 2:43 AM EDT reply actions
Damn
“The New York Knicks are interested in trading up in the 2011 NBA Draft in a bid to land Congolese prospect Bismack Biyombo, according to Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress (via Posting And Toasting). The Knicks don’t pick until No. 17 in the first round, and Biyombo isn’t expected to escape the lottery (the first 14 picks). Givony notes that the Knicks may have to trade in the top-10 as the Golden State Warriors, who pick No. 11, are interested in Biyombo.
Even that may not be enough: Chad Ford reported early Saturday that the Toronto Raptors will work out Biyombo on Monday, and could take him up at No. 5. The Detroit Pistons will see Biyombo Tuesday, and could take him at No. 8 if he’s still on the board. Biyombo is scheduled to visit the Knicks on Wednesday, one day before the draft in Newark, New Jersey."
via sbnation.com
It’s good to know that the Knicks want to get Biyombo, and that the front office sees the glaring need for an interior defensive presence. But I would definitely not trade up into the top 10 just to draft Biyombo, and I can’t see the Raptors taking him with the 8th pick.
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have we discussed
whether or not that is kenny atkinson passing biyombo the ball? in the first video
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Somebody else put this data together
But:
Biyombo had a foul to block ratio of 1.15 in his European league. To put that in respective Here was our NBA this season.
Block-to-foul ratio: T.Duncan 1.23; J.McGee 0.83; A.Bogut 0.77; A.Bynum 0.76; S.Ibaka 0.74; C.Andersen 0.73; D.Howard 0.72… Biyombo: 1.15. Meaning that for every 1.15 blocks he did, he got 1 foul.
I don’t know if this means much, but I’m guessing his defensive ability is more than outhustling and outjumping his opposition.
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comparing the Euro league and the NBA with something like that
really isn’t putting it into perspective. Their perception of a foul is almost night and day from what one is here.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
True that
I said I don’t think it means much, but it basically means that Biyombo in Euroleague was a comparable defender in this regard to Duncan in the NBA. Finding out whether he can transition into the NBA rules is what he should be judged by.
I’m just thinking that if we already have a nickname for the dude, he’s fated to come here. I honestly think he’ll foul out every 2nd game with 15 minutes of playing time here, but will come into his own come playoff time. It’s obvious he won’t be a force from day 1, but he has the tools to be great. Comparing him to Seraphin, Diop or Sene is nice, but, and I hate this phrase, they’re a poor man’s Biyombo. The dude is downright freakishly athletic.
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the good thing tho
is that the nba is considered to be much more physical, so he can probably get away with more.
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Really?
Whenever I watched the Euroleague, I kept on thinking how soft it was compared to the NBA. The refs were calling fouls on almost every contact. I could, and hope, I’m wrong though.
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right...
so a good blocks to fouls ratio in the euro-league where they call everything a foul is a good thing. the only bad thing is that blocks are easier to come by because you can it off the rim.
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Well
We’d need to take the fact that the competition was weaker in Europe than it is here, but it’s definitely not unreasonable to expect him to have Ibaka-ess ratio, maybe even better. Damn I hope we draft him.
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Can we switch gears a little bit..
I think that Biyombo is as much a mystery as there has ever been going into the draft, so a part of me wishes the Knicks pick him but a part of me cringes at the thought.
Anyway, as for a known commodity..
SI.com is saying that the Warriors have apparently offered Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Ekpe Udoh for Dwight Howard. The same Draft Express writer who is quoted in this P&T article (Givony) is quoted in that article as saying that this deal is “unlikely” to satisfy the Magic. The commenters on that article are all laughing about how this deal is “ludicrous”. I know that maybe the market will ease up by February, but we can’t even hope to get Dwight if other teams are able to offer Monta, Biedrins, and last years number 7 pick (Udoh), and all we can offer is Landry, this years No. 17 pick, and Billups. I hate to say it, but I think theres no chance we get Dwight unless he pulls a Lebron and sticks it out to free agency.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
Dwight, Chris Paul and of course Deron Williams have no shot at being Knicks by the deadline
we have no good players to offer. Sooner everyone realizes it, the less annoying trade proposals will be.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed... 'nuff about the 3rd star...
we’ve got nothing to offer.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you call Renaldo Balkman??
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather blog about the draft tbh
There is absolutely no way in hell we get CP3 or Dwight Howard via trade. Free agency? It’ll be a very small chance that he takes that big a pay-cut to play here (imagine if he took the mid-level exception), but it’ll be a chance.
Biyombo is no more a risk than Selby, and a lot of people here want to take him with the 17th pick. The diference is that Biyombo could potentially fill a great need for us. And it’s much easier to sign a quality SG than it is a quality C. I’d take Biyombo over Selby, any day of the week.
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good point...
if we’re going to risk, risk big… ‘cause if we don’t, we’re risking significantly reducing the amount of dominant years amare has left. if not biyombo, i’d even use 17 for jeremy tyler (only if we’re getting a 2nd pick), even though draft pundits put him lower.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about Tyler
That would be a risk as well though, you’re right on that one. But I’d be fine with Jimmer, Burks or Brooks to be honest. Every single draftee is a risk, but they seem to be the “you know what you’re getting with them” types with clearly defined floors that aren’t too bad and nearly limitless ceilings.
We basically need to compete for a title in 2 years for the plan to come into fruition. I’d be fine with drafting Biyombo now and letting him get experience at the NBA level as a backup C with a vet. C on a one year deal for this season.
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I think it really is impossible to predict this draft
I went into it thinking that all we should draft was pg or a bigman, but now I’m warming on Alec Burks or Klay Thompson if they’re available at the spot. I’ve completely cooled on Faried however, this guy could be a lockdown defender but he just wont be able to guard centers, and thats the main problem that we’ve had the past few seasons. I’d love if Markieff Morris was available, I think he fits our needs better than Biyombo, and while his upside is much lower, his downside isn’t as risky.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
anybody but klay...
a soft shooter, albeit a potentially great shooter does not appeal to me.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Faried could guard almost all of the league's centers
Well, if we’re talking about height that is. The dude has a 9’0" standing reach. Check out the standing reach of some of these centers:
Joakim Noah 8’ 10.5"
Ronnie Turiaf 8’ 10.5"
Udonis Haslem 8’ 11"
Nene Hilario 9’ 1"
Add his crazy vertical to that, and I think he’s more than able to guard most NBA centers.
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been saying this...
people stuck on 6’6… but low center of gravity, if there’s sufficient strength, can work to a defenders advantage in the post (for all you chuck hayes lovers). and faried has 3x the hops as hayes.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
just cuz he's got a nice wingspan and can jump
doesn’t mean he can guard NBA centers. Jason Maxiell has a freakish wingspan, great athleticism and is 40lbs heavier then Faried. Still can’t guard NBA centers cuz he’s too small.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Another example:
Shawne Williams is taller, slightly heavier, has the same no-step vertical and a longer wingspan than Faried.
And him guarding centers is still a bad joke.
Damn, didn't think about that
Alrigh, you guys are right. I’d still consider him as a backup PF to come in for Amar’e though if we manage to get a 20-30 pick and he’s available.
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Guarding centers
has to do with height and length and bulk, sure, but athleticism matters a lot. That’s what teams discovered with Shaq… better to have a guy as quick as him but smaller guarding him than some 300 pound guy that can only move half as quick.
maybe old Shaq
Shaq in his prime would’ve backed that midget down and dunked on his mug
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no one ever figured out how to guard prime Shaq one-one-one . . .
hence the three straight championships
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oh there was one guy who did but it was in his prime...
hakeem olajuwon
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nah,' Keem just played even better than Shaq on offense
‘Keem really didn’t stand a chance, Shaq is soooo much bigger than him
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hakeem did...
but that was shaq in 95
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Right
but I remember this clearly – teams would try to draft or sign any 300 pound guy to put on him and it turned out the best guy at guarding him was Ben Wallace who gave up 3 inches and a whole bunch of pounds but matched Shaq’s quickness.
Camby was better at guarding PrimeShaq than Andrew Lang was.
the thing is though ben wallace is a freakishly strong in his prime
when someone curls 300 pounds like a toy you know something is wrong.
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by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Wallace didn't do that much to stop Shaq either
there were like two games in that series where Shaq didn’t do that great, but he still had like 3 30+ point games. Plus that version of Shaq was slightly past his prime. The dude was just unstoppable, best you could do was a double team or foul him (hard, cuz otherwise you might have been looking at an and-one)
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Quibbling time:
Two years later, Shaq came in 2nd in MVP voting, and many thought he should have won it, based on his first season in Miami. It was just him and Wade and bunch of relative no names and they won the ring.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
more quibbling time:
yeah, but a slightly-past-his-prime Shaq is still an MVP candidate even if he’s not as dominant as he once was. Plus I don’t think that Miami team was that shallow, Jason Williams, Alonzo Mourning, and Antoine Walker were all major contributors. Now, the version of Shaq that showed up in that finals series could certainly be contained but that Shaq had been in the league for 14 years.
that was some good quibbling because I really didn’t have a point
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One more quibble:
Williams, Mourning [old and off the bench yet still a bit effective], and Walker sounds like a law firm that would take on defamation cases when you call them relative no-names.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
also Haslem doesn't guard centers, unless you consider Dirk a center
Turiaf doesn’t guard much and Nene is just a shot blocker.
You need to be tall. Standing reach is cute but it doesn’t save for being 6"10+
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, so which bigs are you actually in favor of?
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on where we're drafting them
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17 I'd trust Walsh and co's judgement on Vucevic or Jajuan Johnson
2nd round (we ain’t getting a first, too much guaranteed dough) I’d be OK with Biyambo or Tyler.
Trading up…I’d be scared of the cost to get Kanter or Valaciunas, tho Valaciunas seems worth it
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i could live with any of those...
and jujuan is definitely intriguing with his ability to put the ball in the basket. and if we do go big with our first, and tyler or benson isn’t there in the second, then i wouldn’t mind going with a small (jenkins, shumpert and the like).
good looks rorsch… just wondering.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I acknowledge that standing reach is important
But this dude is shorter than Landry Fields! If he were 25 pounds heavier, maybe he’d be able to out muscle his assignments on the block, but to me he looks like a bigger Landry Fields, and I think he is best suited to play small forward, guard bigger perimeter players like Lebron and Iggy, occasionally mix it up in the post with a guy like Udonis Haslem, and get around 8 or 9 rebounds a game, perhaps even more. Thats a very solid player, and I guess any team could use a guy like that, but we’d still get killed by the Andrew Bynums and Dwight Howards and Andrew Boguts when they come to town. Think back to last year, every freakin guy above 6 foot 10 had a career night against us. We need to address that need, and Faried does everything but that.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
That’s why I said almost all centers. No doubt we would get killed by those guys, which is why I want the Knicks to draft Biyombo and have him take care of the defense. I was just explaining that Faried is not the undersized PF that people make him out to be.
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He's not shorter than Landry Fields
Landry Fields is 6’7" with shoes meaning he’s 6’5 1/2" without shoes.
But how does he look in heels with evening wear?
If we had drafted Landry at #17, I’m not sure how much into him we’d be. He’d still be the 3rd best rookie, but I don’t think he’d have the rep otherwise. Eh, I guess he earned it right? Go Landry!
As for Faried, I’m really disappointed in the splits against legit competition – his rebounding and other stats all seriously dipped in the few games he played against the top 100 teams, and then the rest of the time he beefed up on weak competition. Also, Faried’s tallest teammate who got minutes at Morehead was 6’4. I think drafting him would be a huge mistake, because I don’t think his rebounding would translate.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt we draft him
he’d be pretty useless for us
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Faried's rebounding will translate because he tracks the ball really well in the air
and can start on one side of the lane and grab boards on the other. However Faried as I said before needs to get stronger to consistently rebound in the NBA, he will get pushed around under the boards in the league now until he gets stronger. Like I said Faried will be a decent role player in this league, but he will take time.
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and can start on one side of the lane and grab boards on the other.r
Not hard to do against weak competition, but it’s poor technique. He’s no Dennis Rodman, which he would really have to be to get time on this team.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Landry should be our center
it’s so obvious, I can’t believe we all missed it
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Good point about Markieff
He’s not particularly sexy or upsidey, but this guy could be a very good power forward /center in a pinch, and it’s possible he falls to us.
You're right
Biyombo (and Markieff Morris) would definitely fill a need. And honestly, even if Faried is not an undersized PF, and is a perfectly sized PF, I still don’t see where he’d play. A Carmelo- Faried- Amare front court would be pretty good at rebounding, but pretty horrible at post defense. I’m not hearing Darius Morris’ name anymore, is he dropping? Probably worth a look in the 2nd round no?
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Markieff is probably a better on the ball defender than Faried at this moment. And has more offense
But Faried is the better athlete. If you are looking for the guy most ready to come in and play from day one of training camp you take Markieff Morris, if you are looking for the guy who in 3 years may develop into the better player you take Faried.
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
good grief
just watched a biyombo video, usa/world triple double that someone linked… man among boys, literally.
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Problem is he was actually playing boys in that game we are talking about drafting him to play
against men. When that is Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, or even Andrew Bogut he is going against and he plays like that, then we got something. I am not sold at the moment (that could change) that he will perform like that against legitimate NBA bodies.
by Robert Curre on Jun 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
When that is Dwight Howard, Tyson Chandler, or even Andrew Bogut he is going against and he plays like that, then we got something. I am not sold at the moment (that could change) that he will perform like that against legitimate NBA bodies.
It’s an unreasonable expectation to expect a guy to play in the NBA before you’re sold on them in the draft.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I put up the link
and i completely agree with you. But i don’t know if what you said is a good or bad thing. Guys in the NBA are just as big and physical as he is. I can’t imagine him being able to that at a similar rate in the league.
he won't be THAT dominant
i mean, he was just too big and too strong for those boys. the thing that impressed me the most was how quickly he can go from the paint to the perimeter on defense.
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he also boxed out and positioned himself well...
and used both hands to block shots and not foul. his hands didn’t look too stiff either.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I fancy him, too.
He’s such a pussy. Now let me take this fag out of my mouth before going on.
I like it though, if I were Donnie I’d try to work out a deal for an early teens pick and pull the trigger if either Biyombo or Burks is still there. Both Biyombo and Burks are among my five favorite players in this entire draft. If we can get one it would be criminal to pass on that opportunity.
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by The Rooster on Jun 19, 2011 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This draft seems like more of a crapshoot than most
Maybe we should trade down and try to get more picks. It gives us an extra chance to hit the jackpot or at least find an extra rotation player. It is pretty much conceded that there are no 10’s in this draft like Blake Griffen or Kevin Durant. There aren’t any 9’s either like say Kevin Love or Russel Westbrook. At best we are looking at maybe a couple of 8s and a whole bunch of 6.5 to 7s who might have 8 or 9 potential in them and in the meantime are extremely cap friendly(Landry) and could contribute in supporting roles to our stars. That would be the sensible thing to do.
On the other hand if Smackdown Bizombo is the real deal then we should probably go after him.
who conceded there's no 10s in this draft?
Kyrie Irving is every bit as good as CP3 coming out of college. He was never thought of as being an elite, all time great PG. And Derrick Williams has all the athleticism that Blake Griffen does. But he also has the ability to dribble and shoot, things that Griffen did not have at all.
Maybe that’s where it levels off, but there’s potential NBA role players all the way into the 2nd round
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I think Kryie Irving
will be a better Mo Williams, and Derrick Williams will be a Danny Granger/Rashard Lewis type player. Which is not terrible, but nothing to get too jazzed about. We’ll see.
Those both seem like worse case scenarios
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Williams was a superstar at Zona
yea, he’s that good
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 20, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
He shot 55% from the line last season. It’s enough to be in the top 10, maybe even top 5 of the worst FT shooters in the NBA, but I’d be fine with it.
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don't we have a really good shooting coach?
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the Mavs have a great FT shooting coach
couldn’t help Brendan Haywood from shooting under 50%
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but his form wasn't even that bad
I think it was a mental thing with him. Plus he started shooting them okay (by okay I mean Rondo-like levels) during the playoffs
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Then he'll retaliate and become Bitchsmack Biyombo
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
omg what short memories
i’m so late to this party that i’m sure i’m just speaking to myself. hopefully, seth checks his posts until the end. has everyone forgotten what just happened in the nba finals. team defense wins, not individuals that play defense. everyone on the floor must have some offensive skill set and be accountable on both ends of the floor-thus team defense + total scoring wins. does everyone remember how important joel anthony is to the heat (important) and how much he played in the finals (absent). unless a great rebounder can score the basketball, he will ultimately hurt his team in crunch time. is anyone listening? p.s. that is why we draft or trade for a another tru pg first……then buy a big body or sg 2nd if he’s high on the draft list.
Ehh, I don't think he deserves that, at least not yet.
Shot blockers do contribute to team defense, because they often block shots as a help defender rather than the primary defender. He’s also a great rebounder, which contributes to team defense as well. Also, he’s only 18 or 19 (according to science), so he will likely be taller, stronger, and smarter after a few years in the NBA.
Not saying he’s not going to be a bust, because I go back and forth, but I you can’t say the defense people think he will play will not help a team out.
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