Jonny Flynn?
by hvino on Jun 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT
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The Knicks have had preliminary discussions with the Minnesota Timberwolves about a trade for point guard Jonny Flynn.
No formal deal is in place, but the Knicks are debating whether Flynn, the sixth overall pick of the 2009 draft would be a viable option to back up Chauncey Billups for at least one season. Flynn has become expendable now that the Wolves have signed Spanish guard Ricky Rubio, who was taken one pick ahead of Flynn.
Toney Douglas would likely be the player traded for Flynn.
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via Hoopsworld/ Frank Isola NY Daily News
I have mixed feelings about this. Personally, I'd make this deal, only if we can't use Douglas to move up in the draft. Flynn would be a good back up and I think he just had a horrible situation in Minny last year. He was injured and Rambis didn't know how to use him. I can't put enough emphasis on how much Billups would help him grow. Also, considering Billups' age and potential injury issues, it would really be nice to have a true back up PG. No nock on TD, but he's a SG in a PG's body.
What really interests me about a deal with Minnesota is we could technically do to trades where we trade Douglas and $3 million for Flynn and then possibly $3 million for #20. It would be like finding a loophole in the trade rules that would allow us to buy the pick for double price (sucks for Dolan's pockets, but great for us and Minny's pockets).
thoughts. opinions.
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Its just another dream by Isola. Someone who posts and toasts here and happened to be near the Knicks office probably told him this
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Actually I think Isola just stole it from that site ProBasketballDraft.com
He said it early yesterday morning on twitter.
there's been chatter started earlier today on the "Dreamin and Schemin" post
the comments are pretty comparable to the 2 posted here
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I'd be down
Flynn is supposed to be great in the open court. He’d probably need to improve his shot a bit though. Trading Douglas would suck, but it would be an improvement going into the future. I’d rather do this trade than moving up to be honest though.
I have no idea how good he is defensively though, does anybody have any info on that?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Hell no
Jonny Flynn is garbage, and a step down from Toney Douglas. This is one of those grass-is-greener trades that gets us nowhere.
by flossy on Jun 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Two steps down, at least.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 19, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
dislike.
DWTDD has more pottential then flynn to be a real good SG.
i dont think trading him for flynn straight up is all that good. we’d need something more
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 19, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
i'd rather see if we can pull
ramon sessions and ryan hollins. i think toney is a better player than flynn. flynn is a better distributor, thats about it.
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rec'd times 10...
sessions has doubters, but i think he’s waiting for the system and the players to be an above average point… the kid drives, facilitates, defends and has a great pull up jumper. and hollins is about to become a very servicable center… maybe even an asset.
by bucketsncents on Jun 19, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Noooooooooooo
Flynn’s not even flashy
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
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J. Cole = #1
Alan Hahn just tweeted that we could've had Flynn in the Melo deal if we wanted him, apparently we didn't
So that makes me think we won’t trade for him unless we’re getting #20 along with him. I guess Walsh didn’t want Flynn’s contract going into 2012 capspace or thought Brewer was a better asset/player.
and i still think flynn is not as good as douglas
i’d give them rautins for him tho
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yea...we're not trading for him
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If Minny is taking Balkman's contract than it wouldn't affect our 2012 cap space.
And in order for the trade to work the Knicks would need to add another player anyway for the salaries to match. And in 2012 there’s a team option on Flynn at $4,329,864, in comparison to our $2,067,880 option we have on TD and the $1,675,000 we have for Balkman (=$3,742,880). Not a big difference and it’s a team option.
So if we can indeed get their 20th pick as well I’m game.
But why would Minny trade a point guard for another point guard given that the reason they would want to move Flynn is that they already have Rubio and Ridnour?
Yeah but Douglas is a lot better.
Besides Rubio has some serious size. He’s like 6’4-5" with long arms. But he’s kind of slow so maybe he’d be better off covering SGs with TD covering PGs.
I'm totally convinced this is how Minny will view it
But as I said above, if they take Balkman off our hands as well and send us their 20th pick for cash, I’m game.
So we trade Toney DOuglas+cash
for Flynn, and then have #17 and #20 to select two players we like? Its hard to say if this is good. Flynn is probably in a bad position in Minny, but thats not a given. And Td was so valuable for us last year. His perimeter defense and 3pt shot is something we need badly. Not to mention hiw work ethic and blue collar gritt. Playing through injuries.. etc.etc. w/o him. whats left as our 3pt shooter/backcourt D? …Fields? Walker?
To do this trade. Walsh has to have some sort of concrete idea of who else we are getting to fill out the 2g spot. I doubt walsh takes a risk trade like this one if he doesnt have a solid plan.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'm guessing
Walsh would want to sign/draft a sharpshooter/defensive SG in the draft with at least one of those picks. It doesn’t make much sense to trade for Flynn and then draft another PG. But it does leave us with an extra pick. Damn I’m torn on this one.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
no he's in charge until the end of June/ after the draft.
Although, you have to believe he’s got less say/desire now that he knows he’s only a consultant.
Yes he is consulting.
but in very much in charge of this draft.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
i agree.
For the greater good of the TEAM. we might end up with players that “fit” the position better. I love TD, and I do believe we are a team who needs to keep him as a 6th man role(he has to become more aggressive though) But getting flynn and two top 20 picks (depending on who we grab) will make me feel better about losing Toney Doug
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'd still rather use Douglas with 17 to move up for Biyombo, but maybe we could add 17 and 20 to move up too (and we'd be adding Flynn).
I trust Walsh to get the right move done.
meehhh.
Im not sure ben wallace is worth 17 plus toney douglas.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
ben wallace now... no
ben wallace 15 years ago… hell yeah he is.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Agreed
I just can’t imagine trading Toney Douglas, even if we’re getting Biyombo and Flynn out of it. I’d rather keep DWTDD and the #17. His value will only go up, and at some point we need to build stability instead of trading for something (potentially) shinier.
Landry I’m not so attached to – I think we can find what he does in a number of places. He earned his rep after being selected so late in the draft, but he relies too much on flying under the radar to be sustainable. Take those put backs/offensive rebounds after free throws – now teams know to box him out even at the guard spots, and we haven’t seen it since December.
by superturboultra on Jun 20, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree w/ you on fields
we can trade him and find what he brings via veteren free agency pick up
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Of course
Today, I actually like the idea of DWTDD & cash for Flynn, Biyombo, and whoever we get at #17. Wait is this what we’re talking about? Or would we also trade the #17?
by superturboultra on Jun 21, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He brings nothing!
Landry Fields will make 788k this season, you cannot even get a guy making vets min for him because the salaries are not close enough. Landry can only be traded as a throw in. So who else you trading with Landry. In fact givent that Flynn was a 6th pick and Douglas was the 29th pick in the same draft, you would probably have to throw landry in to make the salaries match, so there is your ans. We can get back Jonny fucking flynn for Landry Fields and Toney Douglas not because he is that good but because kahn is a dumbass and drafted him in the fucking lottery when he probably should have been a 2nd round pick. I thought Flynn sucked in college and I have seen nothing in his pro career to date that has changed my mind. Toney Douglas was a better player in college than Flynn. Flynn just got more hype because he played for a program with a more prominent national profile. Florida State is a football school and is rep’d nationally as such, while Syracuse is a basketball school. Had Douglas gone to North Carolina or Kansas he would have been more higly touted than Flynn!
by Robert Curre on Jun 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Name the players!
You guys kill me with we can find what this guy or that guy does easy, but no one ever names the fucking players, are they free agents, do we have to trade for them what assets do we have to get them. Name the players. You guys have been doing this shit all year. We can find guys who do what Chandler and Gallinari do off the street remember that one? Yet there is not a single player we have a chance in hell of signing or trading for who can do what those guys did this off season. So please if you are gonna go around saying we can get what Fields or any other player gives us elsewhere, name the elsewhere! I want names dammit! who are they.
by Robert Curre on Jun 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I think/say to every trade proposal or Demand We Fire The Coach and GM.
Who are we replacing these guys with? Why do people keep saying shooters are a dime a dozen or SG is the easiest position to fill in the NBA? Shooters are valuable as shit or Ray Allen would just be some super sub off the bench still in Milwaukee, and I’m sure Chicago didn’t rest easy at SG starting Bogans but it turns out finding a competent SG is hard to do. We, as fans, need a little more humility and self-awareness before we start shouting that ‘Coach _ fucked up by having no timeouts/not using all his timeouts at the end of the game!’ or “DRAFT VARNADO YOU BASTARD.”
+1
and Amen! it is easy to just spout out shit, puts some names to it. and then Back your shit up. Think Mark Jackson is a better coach than D’Antoni prove it.
by Robert Curre on Jun 21, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Relax folks Isola is talking out of his ass. Because unless Donnie is so mad at Dolan
that he is thinking how much can I fuck the knicks before I get out of the door, then I don’t see the trade coming. Toney Douglas for Flynn is a steal for the Wolves. For every 3 assists Jonny Flynn has he commits 2 turnovers, for every 3 assists Douglas has he commits one turnover 3:1 ratio beats 3:2 ratio in point guards every time. put another way Jonny Flynn is a turnover machine. Flynn playing faster will only make that worse. Players who make bad decisions with the basketball in a mid tempo or slow tempo offense, do not get better when you speed them up!
IDK guys
I like DWTDD a ton, but Flynn seems like a bounceback candidate to me. Moving from the tundra of a bad fitting system for him to the urban fast pace we have here could do wonders…
This smells of a sell-high, buy low kind of deal. I we can grab a 1st round pick out of it too!!! I am down.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Bounce back to what? Flynn has sucked from day one!
Douglas was better than him as a rookie and better than him now. This is some more of that grass is greener bullshit, Jonny Flynn plays for a team different than the Knicks so it is a good idea to get him. If we had Flynn and they had Douglas, how many fucking fan posts would there be here saying we should trade Flynn for Douglas, alot! Eric Maynor is a better point guard than Flynn, if we want to trade Douglas so damn bad we should be calling OKC, not Minnesota. There is a reason that Minnesota sucks folks, they have players that suck, and Jonny Flynn is exhibit A!
by Robert Curre on Jun 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the fucking truth. The guy sucks. Hell I'd rather have OJ Mayo than Flynn if that is the case.
And Mayo is the most overrated and overhyped player to come into the NBA in the last 20 fucking years!
by Robert Curre on Jun 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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