Yesterday's Workout and Other Knicks Draft Rumors
by Seth on Jun 21, 2011 11:25 AM EDT
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The Knicks staged an important albeit short game of 3-on-3 yesterday in Westchester, and both Alan Hahn and Marc Berman followed the event with pretty comprehensive pre-draft pieces. Here's Hahn's and here's Berman's, and here's some stuff I took away from both:
- Trading up, or at least trading actual players to move up, sounds less and less likely. I'm pretty happy to hear that, but it's just Tuesday.
- Nikola Vucevic, who was one of several in for a second workout yesterday, is perhaps the most realistic big man prospect on the board. I've come to like Vucevic and appreciate how he'd fit over the last few days (funny how actually reading about a guy will do that!) and it sounds as if he'll more than likely drop to the Knicks if they sit tight at 17. He's not as frighteningly athletic as some of the other bros, but he's big, can rebound, and has a pretty swanky set of go-to moves on offense. I certainly wouldn't be opposed.
- Darius Morris, according to both Berman and Hahn, is likely New York's favorite of the three point guardish people who were called back yesterday (the other two being Marshon Brooks and Josh Selby). This sort of makes me think that the Knicks want to/ought to just go big with their pick, unless...
- ...that lingering Toney Douglas (and cash) for Omri Casspi rumor amounts to anything. In that case, they'd be in desperate need of another point guard.
The rumor swamp will only get murkier and more difficult to traverse over the next 48 hours, but the fact of the matter remains that we'll emerge with some new toys this week, big or small. Excellent!
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With the Douglas for Casspi thought. I don’t think that will change the strategy much at all. I’d bet it would make a trade for Johnny Flynn more likely, but the Knicks will still go best available.
Someone says others are offering more for Casspi though. We’ll see.
I agree on Vucevic
Any big tall person that can rebound and has an already good outside shot in his arsenal is a perfect fit here. The more I’ve seen take on Vucevic, the more he reminded me of an in shape, yet somehow as unathletic Marc Gasol. He has those basketball skills in his fingertips (pause?) that you like to see in really any player, much more so a 6"11 260lbs dude.
I also wonder if the Kings and Knicks have this TD for Casspi deal worked out in case a few players fall to certain spots. Like if the Kings really like Kawhi Leonard and feel he’s a better fit then Casspi, they trade him for TD and then we get Vucevic and acquire a first rounder for Darius Morris.
I’d be cool with a draft day haul of Casspi (tall athletic, 3pt shooting wing), Vucevic (backup C that can hit any outside shot, starting potential too) and Darius Morris, a 6"5 PG that is incredibly creative but doesn’t really have a great shot…but he can DUNK! and finish at the rim, something that drives me nuts whenever TD’s on a fast break.
And they’d keep Landry.
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i too, would be cool with that haul...
a facilitating backup 1 with size, a backup scoring 3 and a potential starting 5/backup 4 is a good haul. and as much as i’d like to see a bouncier 5, from what i’ve read, vucecic is a strong post defender/rebounder, just not a dynamic shot blocker, which is fine. stat can sneak over and swat from the weakside.
though i do wish we could somehow finagle jason thompson from the kings while we’re at it.
by bucketsncents on Jun 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd still prefer Reggie Jackson unless he's hurt
But Darius Morris would be a great early second round pick if possible
I think we would all be happy with that.
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Rebounds and outlet passes
also slow is relative, it’s not even a 40 yard dash from one end of the court to the other. He’d probably get down the floor 1 second later than a “fast” guy
I'm talking about overall speed
It’s more than just running from one end to another, it’s also getting in position on defense, getting rebounds, making offense happen. He looks great when he’s the biggest guy on the court, but in the NBA he won’t have that luxury.
by superturboultra on Jun 21, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
He usually will be the biggest guy on the court. The guy’s 7 feet tall and 260 pounds. I think that the Marc Gasol comparison is a decent one to make, though who knows. With Vucevic, I don’t think he is a go-to guy offensively, but I think he has the skills to make teams pay for helping on Amar’e and Carmelo.
I think there are two types of rebounders – strength rebounders who rely on their strength and immovability, and slithery, leaper rebounders. Both Carmelo and Landry are slithery rebounders. We need a strength rebounder. He might just be too unathletic, but he might work out just fine.
I think the Knicks think that the Sixers might want him with the 16th pick. I think that’s why they want to leapfrog and exchange with Indy.
With Vucevic, I don’t think he is a go-to guy offensively, but I think he has the skills to make teams pay for helping on Amar’e and Carmelo.
I think this is why he’d be a good pick. We don’t need a go-to option at center, we need a decent high-post passer who can hit a 20-foot jump shot and keep his own man out of the paint so that Amar’e can do his thing without encountering an automatic double team.
this.
Loot at all the times that Turiaf or Mozgov or whoever was wide open at the top of the key. Imagine if that guy actually could make that shot.
Amar’e also doesn’t mind passing when he takes his man off the dribble. Imagine that dude could actualyl catch that and shoot it.
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OK you guys sold me!
I’ll just tape the games and watch them on fast forward then
by superturboultra on Jun 21, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
there's plenty of NBA centers, a few of them I'd say are top 4 in the NBA
who are just as slow as this kid.
Thing is, he’s always been slow. Alls that matters is positioning, just cuz you’re fast doesn’t mean you’re good and just cuz you’re slow doesn’t mean you’re bad.
That he’s praised for his Bball IQ makes him being slow not as big of a deal.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 21, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
If he knows how to use his body for position and is skilled offensively he won’t need much athleticism.
The league is choc full of athletic bigs that have no clue how to play that flash plays here and there bust last only a few years. And are gone.
If this guy knows how to play (ie can pass, post, and consistently hit open 10-15 footers), he’ll school his more athletic counterparts. School them.
by Crackback on Jun 21, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what it seems like to me
He’s not a guy like Ewing where you can throw it to him in the post and he demands a double team. But he’s a guy that in our system can get open 15-20 footers (and occasional three pointers) when other teams collapse. He’s not going to win the dunk contest and other guys will beat him down the floor sometimes, but I happen to think this guy’s got precisely the skills we need.
His lack of athleticism might actually be a good fit for Amare
For instance, Vucevic can be in good defensive position on a center who’s looking to score, and when he makes his move, Amare can use his quickness and athleticism to come over for the block.
Same goes for getting beat down the floor; Amare can cover him for a second until he gets there, or even case him down for the block.
With rebounding too, if Vucevic gets good position and boxes out, he can tip a rebound away, and towards Amare who can likely get to the ball quicker or jump higher than somebody else.
To shorten all that, they might be good complements for each other
I can't be the only one
who says it like they do in Ricola commercials…
Love is kinda slow too
Vucevic seems like maybe a safe pick. Same as Markeiff Morris.
I still like Motiejunas, Burks, Thompson, Jimmer and Biyombo. Odds are at least one of those guys is left at 17. That’s who I’d take.
Douglas is better than Casspi
Vucevic is as athletic as me, which helps me relate and support him, but is disappointing for an NBA player
you're not 6"11
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No
But you’d think a professional basketball player would be more athletic, in addition to being taller
Considering NBA centers are as athletic as Marc Gasol or Andrew Bogut
maybe you need to reconsider?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you need to jump 30 inches when you're standing reach is 9'5?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 21, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
if you are trying to block a shot or get a rebound
It helps to jump higher than the other guys. And a weak vertical also indicates weak legs. Legs are important for other things too.
it really doesn't
just cuz you can jump high doesn’t mean you’re a great shot blocker.
If the guy has a 9"4 standing reach and can jump 25" (and who’s to say with adrenaline flowing that won’t be more in an actual game?) that means that he could basically block anyone’s shot, as well as grab any rebound forcing you to foul just to get the ball.
Its all about timing and basketball IQ anyway. Sure jumping helps, but he’s already tall enough to not worry about that. Plus I’m not worried about shot blocking, worried about defense which he’s actually pretty good at.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely on-target with the Marc Gasol comparison
Probably won’t even become as good, but Vucevic is similar in that he’s a solid rebounder, good size – definitely wont be pushed around, and plays smart basketball on both ends.
Thats also another important factor.
In game versus workout. When I’m leaping for a ball, I can jump much higher than I would be able to in a weight room.
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and how do we even know they are or not?
Serious espionage shit here. Donnie has his sources, hopefully. Can we switch with Indiana for 3 million? Or is it going to take more?
Vucevic is no less athletic than Brook Lopez
I think he’d be a better option than Biyombo, honestly. He got a nice jumper and shot like 39% from 3 this past year, has a few solid post moves (not that he would use them here), very solid rebounder, and people praise his passing and basketball IQ.
He won’t be a game-changer but he seems like the kind of guy who could contribute right away, and having a legit center who can rebound and also hit a jumper and operate out of the high post will be great news for Amar’e.
I'm wondering why a younger Brook Lopez with a better shot, better rebounding, and more heart
Is not a top 5 pick, especially in this draft. Then again, maybe that’s why he’s rising up the board.
I didn't say he's a young Brook Lopez
But his 3/4 court sprint and lane agility scores are both better than Brook Lopez. His vertical is 2" less, and he measures just a hair shorter. In other words, he is no so un-athletic that he can’t make it in the league.
vert is 4-5" less
And Brook is already pretty damn unathletic. It doesn’t make too much sense for the 76ers to take him when they have Hawes, who is very similar except for worse rebounding.
i'd rather have mk morris
strictly because scoring is not what we need. we need interior D and rebounding, or a guard who can shoot the lights out or create for others well (PG or SG).
my top 3 are:
- Alec Burks. DX has him falling to us. That would be so sweet.
- Jimmer. If Jimmer is off the board that Klay steps in this spot.
- Mk. Morris
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
you can always use more scoring
And it helps if Carmelo and Amar’e actually have guys they can pass to when they’re doubled
yes i agree
you can always use more scoring, and it is good to have shooters on the wing to dispel doubles on melo and amare.
but there are different ways to get scoring. What we should want are players that do not need to be the focal point, or even have plays called for them, for them to score. Vucevic seems like a player you need to run sets for and we already have two guys on the roster that fill that role. We need outliers, not vacuums.
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
MK Morris was more of a focal point for his team then Vucevic
so why is he the better fit in that regard?
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looking at all the scouting video
it looks like kansas’ offense was run through about 3 to 5 different players depending on the matchups and who was hot.
I wouldn’t label markieff as the focal point of that offense, especially since alot of his points came by playing off others (receiving good passes, rebounds, screens, pick and rolls).
All I’m saying is the he fits in better given that he contribute more without the basketball then vucevic can, especially since vucevic cannot play a lick of defense.
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
and Vucevic is probably a better shooter
especially catch and shoot. Also he’s a pretty good passer and a much, much better rebounder offensively and defensively then Morris.
So..he’s actually a better fit, I’d say.
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from the scouts
NBAdraft.net: “Not going to be a great factor on D or as a shot-blocker at the next level…A step slow in pick and roll D, and will show up late on hedges…Has to be accounted for on D, using team defensive principles to not be a liability on this end … Playing with USC and two former NBA coaches give him experience in NBA-style defensive schemes, which will help, but he’s not gonna stop anyone on this end.”
DX: “On the defensive end, Vucevic shows a solid fundamental base in the post, though he’s prone to being both backed down and beaten laterally by stronger and quicker opponents. He does a good job compensating for this with his length, contesting shots and showing good timing with his shot block attempts, but he’s still mostly overmatched against NBA caliber athletes. On the perimeter, he likewise shows decent fundamentals, but his lateral quickness is severely lacking here, being beat off the dribble often and being forced to foul from behind. This is the area of his game that could hold him back the most as an NBA prospect.”
do you know something they don’t? I’ll be honest, I haven’t watched any USC games, and have seen very little video of him. I want to be on board with this pick.
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
the draft express one is the one I'd trust more
and it says that he’s a pretty good defender but struggles with the smaller, quicker guys. And that’s all I’ve been hearing in any of the workouts, that he looks good defensively.
You gotta also factor in that he’s still growing, he was just a 6"9 210lbs SF when he got to USC. As he builds strength he’ll get a bit quicker. His Bball IQ helps him out also
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okay cool
thanks Rorschach, I just hope we aren’t drafting Brad Miller but indeed a Dirk-type (prob more like Dre Bargnani, but whatevs you know what I mean).
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
Getting Burks would be awesome
But Hahn didn’t even mention him, which is strange. Also, has he even worked out for us?
Brook averaged 8 rebounds his last year at Stanford
Vucevic averaged 10.
Plus, I just think Brook Lopez is kind of lame in the head.
Lol@ lame. True dat.
He seems more interested in collecting comic books than rebounds. He is a big kid.
my concern too.
It seems like every year teams reach on tall guys. Seems very odd that this guy isn’t a sure-fire lottery pick. It has to be more than just his lack of athleticism. No way so many GMs (of teams who need centers) pass on a guy like Vucevic without a major problem.
New mock on draftexpress
Notables:
Vucevic at #16
Markieff at #17
Burks at #19
The first 7 of round 2 look solid
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/
wow
Interesting… Rumors been saying that Piston is bring Isiah Thomas back.. turn out to be Isiaah at 22, 2nd round. Isiaah to Piston.. how fitting.
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In Dolan I DO NOT trust.
RIGHT?!
I just wanna know already!
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by Taylor Made on Jun 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You might
I’ll be pumped to see the new guy (s) play next season.
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by blackhova on Jun 21, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a feeling you're right
We are building up this draft too much… trading up, buying multiple picks, draft-day trades, etc. If we end up just picking one guy, I will probably be slightly disappointed considering how many holes our team has, and considering it will be Donnie’s last significant move.
He started because they had no one better
Why do you think the Knicks looked at all those shooting guards? Landry might be able to be a starting SF on some teams, but not the Knicks.
I agree
I prefer him off the bench. A lot of his skills are just that he surprises guys with his bball iq. He’ll be good for a long time, but he’ll never be great or really even a starter at SG on a contender.
by superturboultra on Jun 21, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Point proven. None of those three played starters’ minutes. Compare him to Harden, Terry, and… well, the Bulls didn’t look so hot at the SG spot, but you get the idea.
by superturboultra on Jun 21, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Landry is a hole
but he’s definitely not a certainty in terms of our long-term shooting guard. It’s unlikely, but consider the option that Landry of the last part of the season is a function of the addition of Melo (consider the possibility that their games don’t compliment each other) and that’s a hole.
Now, he could still be a reserve. Absolutely. But that means we don’t have a shooting guard, center, and heir-apparent to Billups, and our 6-8 guys are not exactly world-beaters either. That’s a lot of holes.
considering the team has so many holes
they really can’t go wrong, can they?
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Well, if they have only 1 at bat this draft
they can swing and get a player who is not NBA material, which would a huge waste considering we don’t have a first rounder next year; lack tradable assets; lack cap space; and might not even have the MLE option under the new CBA.
I meant more so that since they have a ton of holes
that they can pick any position and it wouldn’t be blocking him from realizing his potential.
Whether or not they have a ton of needs or not, any pick can be a bust. This pick is extremely important based on all that you said, but that we can pick really any position helps us out in being able to get a good player.
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I see what you mean
Yeah, absolutely. I’m still think we should get the best player available, but I would hope it’s not a forward.
I don't know about Vucevic
Great shot, good basketball IQ, go to post moves, legit 7 footer, average defense…at #17?? It seems too good to be true. But if he comes as advertised, I’d be thrilled. His meh defense is something that concerns me though, seeing as we need an inside presence.
So it’s looking like we’re going to buy a 2nd round pick for Darius Morris right? Sweet!
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It is a little strange
But if I’m not mistaken, USC wasn’t all that great of a team, so he’s not drawing as much attention. I suppose his lack of athleticism hurts him a bit, and no one has really said he has great upside, he just can become an okay center
Its a bit like Landry from last year, no?
overlooked Pac 10 player and produced efficiently more as he became more of the man as all the talent around him went away.
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I hope that he's like Landry and came into the combine extremely fatigued
and during our workout he improved his vertical by a foot….
Exactly what I was thinking
His team situation probably is like Landry. Except USC was at least above .500 and Stanford with Fields was below, so there’s a difference in the amount they were,,,, slept upon?
But pretty much everything about him seems just solid, nothing spectacular, just solid.
Knick/UCLA fan in SoCal
so Ive seen a decent amount of USC games, Vuc can straight play, he will never be a great player but could become very good especially with NBA level strength and conditioning, I would be very ok with picking him (depending on what 2s are still on the board)
Not to Mention...
PAC-10 constantly gets no respect and players seem to get overlooked a lot, but is the second highest conference in producing NBA players (UCLA is the #1 school with 14)
“ACC once again heads the list of conferences in producing NBA players, with 56. That is good for an average of 4.7 former players per school, but it is not the best average this season. That distinction belongs to the the Pac-10, with 48 total former players and 4.8 former players per school in the NBA.” from http://www.rpiratings.com/NBA.html
Yeah
I think his lack of athleticism scares people… He doesn’t look like a future star which is what teams generally want. But I’ve been saying for weeks that Vucevic has to move up in this draft because he’s a legit center without glaring holes in his game. Even when most mocks had him going in the second round, I though he might not be there when the Knicks pick.
i want JIMMER cuz im a spoiled little brat
and because it will make not gettin Stephen Curry hurt alittle less
by blackhova on Jun 21, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
damn there is really no consensus for this draft
makes Thursday more exciting
consensus mock draft
1 – Kyrie Irving
2 – Derrick Williams
3-60 – fuck if I know
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The way the posters over-value Toney Douglas on this board is
CRAZY. He’s not that good. Can’t play PG. It’s been two years and the only thing thats improved has been his jumpshot.
Wouldn't under value him either
sure he might not be a starting point or even a backup point. But he can handle the rock for stretches and also can create and is a good 3pt shooter. His defense should not be overlooked either, since its pretty exceptional.
Ideally we have a true backup PG running the offense who’s 6"4 or taller so this dude can guard the 2.
P&T “overvalues” TD cuz we know he’s good. He’s just not an ideal fit for what we need and have on the roster.
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I'd be so psyched
if the Knicks got Knickola Vucevic and Darius Morris but I’m going to drown my hopes in a sea of pre-emptive pessimism.
Actually
His rebounding and passing improved. He turns it over very infrequently, which is a tremendous asset. Compared to the NBA as a whole, he’s about league average. However, he can only guard point guards and isn’t much of a point guard, so you’d need another passer in there, and he’d have to be the smallest guy. You don’t think he’s better than Casspi?
He has Knicks drafting Shumpert
With Brooks and Vucevic also options.
Also has Reggie Jackson going in the first round. Goudelock as the last pick in the 2nd round.
I wouldn't trade TD for Casspi
I would draft a true back up point and let TD float between PG/SG. If we come away with Markieff/Vucevic/Faried/Morris and a guard like a Selby then I’m good with this draft.
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There is just too much uncertainty heading into this draft.
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P.S. Vucevic is at 17 or below in 98 percent of them.
Jeez this week has been killing me.
So many rumors but nothing happening!!!
All we need is one domino to fall for all the trades to start happening (then again, we can’t trade 17 until we select).
Vucevic/Dizzy
Dizzy has been saying it for six months that this is the guy for our team.
He can become a solid backup PF to A.Stoudemire. Play backup C behind J.Jordan when needed.
With him playing in the second unit with L.Fields/SF you have two solid defenders int he second unit.
6 months?
maybe that’s 2 weeks in your mescaline induced state, but you’ve been saying E. Kanter/C for the past 6 months.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 21, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No No No!
I said Kanter if we could move up. At 17 I hope Vucevic is there for the Knicks. Get it? Good.
I absolutely love this pick.
From everything I’ve read he’s the perfect fit. Also, we really should buy a late first round pick and take a PG.
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Between Vucevic and Markieff at #17 (no trades involved)...??
Who would you go with? Markieff can also split time between the 4-5 along with STAT and he has the ability to step out and drain the 3 which helps clear the lane for STAT/Melo.
Discuss.
6"9 with shoes (they play with shoes in this country) and his wingspan is 6"10.75
3" longer then his natural height, which indicates an above average wingspan.
Plus, he’s good at basketball, which is really all that matters.
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I dunno how much you value ol' Scrote's beet farm
or what’s considered a bust in what part of the draft, or who amounts to what and the expectation of them (star vs. role player), but guys like Darrel Arthur, Nick Collison and Drew Gooden have been good role players.
Really the only bust has been Raef Lafrentz.
Also not sure how a completely different player’s success or lack thereof has anything to do with a future player’s career.
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I know, its technically superstitious but it just seems difficult to avoid the fact that certain schools distinguish themselves in peculiar ways..
for example, virtually every big man drafted out of Georgetown(exception Sweeney)turns into a starter/All-star. Kansas? Darrell Arthur, Nick Collison and Drew Gooden are not “major” busts, but Drew Gooden has not had a career that justified drafting him 4. 9 teams in 9 years. Bust.
Nick collison, very solid bench player for 2 teams, but I think the expectations for the 12 pick are much higher than 7pts and 6 rpgs off the bench.
Darrel Arthur, good value for the 27th pick, but the point remains when has a Kansas big man ever been good enough to be a regular starter let alone an all-star.
Raef Lafrentz? You betcha. You forgot last years number 11 in Cole Aldrich too. And remember one of the biggest busts in the history of Number 1 picks, Danny Manning,went to Kansas. Knicks need to hit a home run in this draft.
At 17, let’s take N.Vucevic/PF-C o backup Stoudemire and Jordan int he rotation.
If we can move up then we should grab K.Thompson/SG for the future.
I would also still after O.J.Mayo via trade. The guy could play PG with Thompson along with moving over to the two guard.
If we can buy a late 1st round pick we can then grab I.Shumpert.
Let’s Go Knicks!
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