Knicks Draft Day Thread 2011! WOOO!!!!
by Seth on Jun 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT
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PrintUpdate (1:45): Here's my Knicks draft preview for the New York Magazine Sports Section. It's poorly informed and obsolete at this point, but hey!
Good morning, prospects! It's draft day! The next 24 hours or so will be fraught with rumors, transactions, and colorful hats. It's the best day of the year, probably. I'll put a thread up for the event itself, but in the meantime, this will serve as a hub for updates with links, rumors, and other thoughts leading up to the real deal. Updates will be posted at the top of the page, because this is IMPORTANT, GUYS.
Some stuff to anticipate, if you care:
- I wrote a big-ass Knicks draft preview for the New York Magzeen that will be posted at some point today. It's not really intended for such astute Knick fans as yourself, (I mean that) but I'll post a link when it's up.
- From about 4 PM until 5 PM, I'll be doing a live chat for Knicks Now. I invite you all to come and expose me for my ignorance. (By the way, as I'm writing this, the lead photo on Knicks Now is rather pleasant. I highly recommend visiting.)
- Whenever that ends, I and Mike Levin of Liberty Ballers will embark into the dank New Jersey fog en route to the draft itself. Barring internet troubles, (there are ALWAYS internet troubles at these things) I'll be tweeting and posting things here live from the draft. Mostly tweeting.
That's all for now! Again, updates will go up at the top throughout the day, assuming there will be updates.
Stay hydrated!
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you all hear that rumor that the knicks are gonna trade up
to the number 3 spot?!?!?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
mess with people on the internet?
is that even possible?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Thirst is everything?!
GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
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Being that I'm Nigerian, being a Jets' Fan only comes natural... it's all about that old Green and White.
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference. If you don't understand this, then you're losing big time.
Net Income posted on NetsDaily that the Knicks are "close" to buying the 30th pick IIRC
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I've heard the Bulls ain't dealing that pick now
tho it probably could swing either way if a player they want is on/off the board
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, here it is for what it's worth to y'all
Knicks are close to buying the 30th pick in the draft from the Bulls…may take Selby.
by Net Income on Jun 22, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
yeah that came straight from hoopsworld
it was on yesterday’s AM piece towards the end.
I posted it one of the threads here.
wake n bake?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
no but I heard the one that we're trading Chauncey, Toney, and Landry for the 11th pick!
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Will you be taking video, Seth?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
by BigTom on Jun 23, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
the crowd and such
Reactions to David Stern, Adam Silver, the Knicks pick, etc.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
any jewish guys in this year's draft?
is fredette jewish?
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he kind of has a jew fro
but no, he is religiously ambiguous/ mormon
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
it was my understanding that the mormon religion and
the jewish religion are 98% the same.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
hopefully just the jews in your area
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
can't argue with that
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
WAHH WAHH WHEEE WHAAA
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 23, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to say that, after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided I hope we take a flyer on a high risk/high reward kind of guy such as Bismack or Iman. It would suck to come away empty handed, but it’s not like this is an incredible draft with a bunch of surefire talent. I want some excitement for this team.
would anybody be against drafting vucevic if hes available?
i think philly might take him at 16 but if hes there for us i think we should pick him
unless of course we have another way to get a legit 7 footer
hell no
he’s possibly the most perfectest player for the Knicks to draft in the entire draft. If they were drafting at #5 Id’ consider him.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever happens today
I will be sure to boo the pick
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
it is our duty as knicks fans
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Heard a rumor that we talked to the Kings about trading up for the #7 pick
Mocks have the Kings taking Fredette, so I hope we’re not trading up for him
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Fredette isn't my first choice, but I'd love to have him.
And I think he would be great bait to get CP3.
I can't draft players and continue to see then as trade chips
Somewhere along the line we gotta draft somebody we hope to have on the team a couple of years from now
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Vince Lombardi
this
G*d forbid we have a stable roster for more than 4 months
by total hermination on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Thing is
if we want to draft a guy that will be a good trade chip for Chris Paul, he’s going to have to have playing time and he’s going to have to show something special. So if the best player available is a forward, they may not get enough PT to be valuable.
I'd be pissed about giving up whatever they'd have to
but in the end, Jimmer should be a star for us. I guess that counts.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing though
Should. He should be athletic enough to play defense even though we’ve never seen him do it. I think he’d be great at 17 but at 7? I don’t know. Theoretically, is Jimmer worth TD, 3 million and Vucevic?
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Vince Lombardi
I think not.
Get a later pick and snag Charles Jenkins. I honestly don’t see why Jenkins won’t be as good as Fredette. GET THE QUEENS GUY.
theoretically...yes, he is
the $3mil I could care less about. Also Vucevic do we really know if he goes at #17? If he goes before, its not a big deal then.
Big thing is TD. Of course, if we get a pick later on for someone like SHumpert, then it all pans out.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the 3 mill is a moot point
Especially for Dolan. But is it worth it to basically exchange TD for Jimmer when we could have gotten another player that could potentially fill a need for this team?
Don’t get me wrong, if Jimmer turns into the All-Star I think he could become then I’d be pumped if we got him at 17. But I don’t know about #7, not when we could take somebody like Kemba, Kawhi Leonard or maybe even Valanciunas.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Jimmer fills a need
of course, he fills a more specific need if Toney Douglas is still on the team (pure point).
Jimmer is the Knicks boy. Him and Klay Thompson. They like these guys for a reason and from what I see abotu them, I can’t disagree with it.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about Jimmer being a pure point
He was never a pass first PG, even though he is a good passer. I just think that a shooter can easily be picked up in FA, while more pressing needs like a pass first PG, rebounding, defense and a starting C (although unlikely) can be filled in the draft. I think Jimmer’s going to be much, much better than people expect but that seems like a lot to give up. I guess we’ll see come tonight.
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Vince Lombardi
he was a pass first PG at times, so that skill is there
of course he wasn’t a pure pass first guy, why would you when you can shoot like that? He’s a pass first PG that can shoot, very well. Actually…that sounds like 2 needs.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Dammit Rorschach
I’ve just pictured Jimmer on this team and know I don’t really give a crap where we draft him. It would suck giving up TD, and it would suck even more to give up Fields, but I’d love to have Jimmer here. 7 just seemed too soon. But screw it, let’s go Jimmer.
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Where are these shooters you can easily get?
Why wouldn’t every team have these incredible shooters that are a dime a dozen?
I'd be fine with Kemba tho
Leonard…not so much and Valaciunas doesn’t really make a ton of sense considering we want help now, tho it could really, really pay off a year from now.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be sick
It’s possible we could have him this season, even though it’s unlikely. But it would be an absolute steal if he goes outside the top 5.
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Vince Lombardi
No doubt
he’s probably my favorite big in the draft. And the extra year of seasoning will only help considering he’s 19 y/o. Its just, can we wait like that?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, the ghost of Fred Weis would probably make people go apeshit
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd definitely go apeshit. This guy has bust written all over him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The guy is not Fred Weiss
I mean, I can’t guarantee he’ll be good, but Fred Weiss was a stretch pick at 15 in an age when everyone was picking completely unqualified foreigners. Valciunas is a pretty universally high rated guy who might fall due to buyout issues.
only reason I say that is the buyout thing that will make him sit a year
as far as talent and whether he’d actually play here, I know he ain’t that.
Just stating the general (stupid) NY reaction to the pick.
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Lots of rumors flying around
Really hope we don’t trade up for Fredette. I want some rebz
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by Jsz on Jun 23, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd consider trading up for a big
and then trying to replace TD later in the draft. But trading up with TD for Fredette? Hrm…. not so crazy about it.
Observations and gut feelings from Europe
1. the good news about being here is that I finished a round of golf before most of you yokels woke up.
2. the bad news is that I am going to be up until sunrise tomorrow while getting all my draft info from the internets. No French cable channel working the draft…sacre bleu
3. Shumpert is not going as high as most/many have him
4. Bismack is going inside the top ten. Back issue or no back issue.
5. Kahn is a bluffing fool, I wouldn’t trust anything coming out of his camp
6. There will be lots of trades – and they’re gonna mess you up
neither is greek cable
thank god for the internet
oh yeah! draft day!
fill me in, guys – is there a consensus guy that we all want to draft? i haven’t been on P&T for like a month, so i need details!
by latrell chokewell on Jun 23, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
seems like
everyone would be happy with at least 3 or 4 different guys.
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A lot of guys have polarized the site
Biyombo, Faried and Jimmer for example. But most of the guys here would be happy with Vucevic at 17 and Morris with a later pick.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
lets get it on!
Vucevic, Faried, Brooks, Biyombo, Shumpert (in no particular order), are all fine by me. Although i’m sticking by my guns of size and defensive savvy as the most important needs.
by total hermination on Jun 23, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
Like Vucevic
but… if someone snags him before us it could mean that Markieff Morris falls to us, and though I wish he was bigger, I’m really liking his 58.9% FG percentage and 13.7 per 40 rebounding. Even though playing him with Amar’e isn’t exactly ideal, I think he’d help us with rebounding and he can hit shots, even 3 pointers.
We'd basically be drafting a bench player
And I think a lot of guys can drop that have starter potential.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Morris vs. Vucevic isn't a big difference to me, if at all.
Vucevic has better size, but Morris might fit us better cuz he can get up and down the court better and has been battle tested more.
Knickola or Queef Morris and Darius Morris would be a great haul
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Vucevic too
But will he be available when we pick?
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I hear the 76ers want him as well, although I'm not sure why they would.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
I've decided that as long as David Stern doesn't accidentally skip our pick in the draft, I'll be fine.
But in a perfect world:
Vucevic at 17 (I’ve wanted Motie, but it seems unlikely)
Buy #30 and draft a PG (Morris, Jenkins, Jackson, Smith, I don’t fucking care)
Buy a 2nd rounder and draft Jon Leuer
by tkow on Jun 23, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Vucevic is better than Motiejunas imo
At least for our team
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by moose35 on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea I'd like 3 picks too
I think getting more then 2 is more likely if we trade up tho.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i like this vucevic character
would be happy with bbgun and farside about the same… if the Don says either one is what we need I will trust that.
Love Selby still… would love to sneak him in with a later pick.
like morris, and like jenkins…
klay sounds like dirt, and dirt is dirty… so thats cool. Im down.
I honestly have heards so many a different things that i am down for whatever. I hope they buy a couple picks cause its fun to have rookies around.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
looking at different mocks
selby isnt even a 1st rounder in some of them
if we can get a 2nd rounder id be willing to gamble on him
with melo around i think hed be motivated 2 prove his many doubters wrong
yea he does
but i would probably still pick selby over him
probably right
I’m kind of hoping that we get a second rounder and pick up Isaiah Thomas, just to see what the crowd reaction would be.
for what it's worth, Jay Bilas pegs Cole as the 3rd best PG in the draft
Idunno if I agree with him, but that’s pretty high praise considering the PGs this year!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a really good point
Hope Selby is. But yeah, in the second round, despite the risk, it’s a terrific pick.
Imagine if he fullfils his potential
A draft of Vucevic and Selby would later be seen as franchise defining. I’d be ecstatic if we got Selby in the 2nd round.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
When I think of the guards available near the end of the first round
It’s really exciting. Lots of guys with potential, between Selby, Jenkins, Morris, Norris, Goudelock, Isaiah Thomas, even Ben Hansbrough…. kind of exciting if the Knicks can get a big at 17 and the Bulls #30. If I were the Bulls I wouldn’t trade it but it’s hard to give two guaranteed contracts/roster spots to the 28 and 30 picks….. That said, if other teams see what we see it may drive the price up.
if we can buy two picks, on being the 30 and a second rounder
i say try and snag selby and jeremy tyler, because if anything we can stash tyler in the dLeague.. you cant teach size
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nope
But size isn’t everything. See Jordan, Jerome.
Tyler would be a fine 3rd pick though.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
I'd much prefer Keith Benson or even Michael Dunigan over Tyler
Selby would be nice tho. Darius Morris would be betterer
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
One could argue
That Jenkins could be even bettererest.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Jenkins is going to succeed in this league, I tell you
He’s strong, efficient, and knows how to win.
I want to draft Morris more and more as time goes on.
Late first, early second. Could be a steal.
Predraft coverage
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4:00 pst
Cavs on the clock at
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2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
tonight*
See?! I’m so phurcking excited that I can’t even spell right!
by CJGreffrath on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
how did u do that
i’ve been dyin to go
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I went to a chinese restaurant...
I had just finished a delicious meal consisting of sesame chicken. When getting my fortune from the fortune cookie, it read something that confused me. it read, “You will have a great time at the NBA draft on thursday”. I laughed, then preceeded to exit the restaurant. When I got home and went in my room, two tickets to the NBA draft were sitting on my dresser! I was stunned! I said “%$^# yes!” and thats the end of my story.
by CJGreffrath on Jun 23, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
as unbelievable as that sounds
i believe you 120%
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I got summer school
Fucccckkk
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a sophomore
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Same bro!
You take that geometry regents today? Shit was kinda hard, but I think I passed.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Yeah
The Part 2’s and shit was hard
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
dont forget to carry the y
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Hm, new math system.
I remember when it was math A and math B. And before that, I took Math 1, 2, and 3.
What are people's thoughts on Kemba?
I really want Faried. Rebounders like him are special. Look at this chart. He destroys everyone in the draft.
What would suck though
Is that Amare would be forced to play C unless we magically rejuvenate Oden’s or Yao Ming’s legs and sign them to a team friendly deal. Which would suck. He’s a good rebounder but he’s too one dimensional to be picked at 17.
Kemba would be sick, but I’d take Jimmer over Kemba.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
I said the same and agreed with Seth on the pick.
But people ripped it because of his height.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
he's 6"6 and played on a team with a 6"3 PF
the rebound numbers are drastically flawed since he’s really all they got. Plus, he can’t play offense at all.
As for Kemba, love to get him here.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...the more I think about and read about Faried the more I agree
if noone’s tall on your team you’ll get some boards cause you have to.
If Kemba finds his way to us, it'd be amazing.
I don’t think he’s gonna fall though.
Out of the first 5 projected picks
So Irving, Williams, Kanter, Valanciunas and Knight-who’s going to be the biggest bust? I’m thinking Kanter has the biggest bust potential out of the top 5.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Kanter will be good because he tore it up on international play.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Valanciunas, Kanter, or Knight, in that order
But my money would be on Valanciunas. Buyout problems, not a great athlete, not a varied offensive game. On the other hand, a lot of people think he could wind up being the best player from this draft in the long run.
I can't say any of them
but Valaciunas has a shot of never playing in the NBA. THat could be a bad thing if you draft him top 10.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty crazy hearing how Kemba might fall to us.
Although, any team to take the Jimmer over Kemba is crazy. But seems like we could get our hands on one of them.
If Kemba or Jimmer is a Knick, NY has a bright future.
All they’d need would be the center.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Jimmer fits Kings better than Kemba does.
But I still wouldn’t take him as high as 7. Thus, all the trade rumors about the Kings dealing the pick for Felton or Tony Parker.
I agree that 7 is high for Jimmer. But a lot of times when teams pass on the guys they really want because it's considered a reach, it usually comes back to haunt them.
That’s what happened to Miami with Beasley in 08. Riley wanted Mayo or Westbrook but was told #2 was too high.
Yeah... I dont buy it, but stranger things have happened.
Question is… if Kemba falls to us, do we take him even if guys like Klay Thompson, Jonas Valaciuncas, or even Jimmer fall??
Kemba IS short, yes… but I would think you have to take a talent if it’s there.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kemba over all of those
Except Valaciuncas. A franchise point guard is more valuable than a shooter, but a franchise center is more valuable than both
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
For the people who think Euro players are busts...
Here are the differences between the two.
Euroleague allows hand checking, NBA does not.
Euroleague allows the zone to be more effective than in the NBA.
NBA court is larger than the Euroleague court.
Euroleague allows more physical D than in the NBA.
NBA is faster paced than the Euroleague.
NBA has better athletes and basketball players.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Not to mention Euro teams play much, much more team orientated basketball.
Everyone usually touches the ball in a possession. That’s why it’s hard for stars to flourish over there.
Which probably means
That a good offensive players from Euroleague usually make it at a larger rate than good defensive Euroleague players.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Speaking of Euro players...Anyone think the Knicks could deal with the T-Wolves for Ricky Rubio?
SUMMARY: RUBIO IS AN ELITE PASSING TALENT, AND PASSING TRANSLATES VERY WELL TO THE NBA, ACCORDING TO HOLLINGER
Maybe this is hypothetical, but Rubio would like the area in NY. He doesn’t want to be in Minnesota, but he knows they own his rights so his only choice is to be a Wolve. Maybe he demands a trade?
For people who think he’s a bust.
On average, switching from the Euroleague to the NBA does the following to a player’s pace-adjusted per-minute stats:
•Scoring rate decreases 25 percent
•Rebound rate increases by 18 percent
•Assist rate increases by 31 percent
•Shooting percentage drops by 12 percent
•Overall, player efficiency rating drops by 30 percent
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I don't question Rubio's skill, but I doubt Minny would deal him.
They think he is the future of their franchise.
He kinda did
What with the whole “Staying in Spain for 2 years”
Then his stock dropped a lot and he realized Minnesota wasn’t going to trade him.
They'll trade Rubio if he tells Minny that he won't play for them
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Jesus lord
Are you insane? Did you see the way Kahn was parading Rubio around? Kahn thinks Rubio’s going to be a superstar. There is no chance anyone’s getting Rubio for anything.
Now, Minny’s #2 pick… that can be had – but I doubt Landry Fields would be enough.
He doesn't control it though. If Rubio doesn't want to play ball for Minny there's no way he's going to.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
You overestimate the power he has over management
He could’ve just stayed in Spain if that were the case.
He signed a contract to play for them
He. Signed. A. Contract. With. The. Minnesota. Timberwolves.
I’d say he better intend on playing for them if he wants to avoid legal action.
it is easier at this point to let Rubio learn the NBA in Minn
then just get him here later on in his career.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Yup.. he'll flop in Minny and be crucified...
only because expectation are SO high for him. He’ll be much better on his second team where expectations will be much much lower after his initial stint.
I don’t envy the kid…
I know about him playing in the wrong system
And that his skills would be better utilized on a different team…but the guy averaged 5.4 points and a little over 4 APG. He’s going to have to prove himself in the NBA.
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The talent level in the Euroleague is much lower than in the NBA
So I really don’t see how it could be harder.
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Myriad of reasons
Handchecking is allowed.
Assists are calculated differently.
Defenses are allowed to be rougher.
Young players get much less playing time.
More restrictive offensive schemes.
Talent level has nothing to do with it.
Are you serious?
Talent level has nothing to do with the Euroleague being an easier league to play in? The fact that you can hand check or that young players get less playing time ( a huge generalization btw) does not compensate for the fact that the NBA is filled with players that have higher basketball IQ, are much more athletic and skilled. It’s filled with coaches and defensive assistants that can take advantage of a player’s weakness and design a defensive scheme just to stop him. If Rubio struggled in the Euroleague, he sure as hell is not going to play better in the NBA unless he steps his game up.
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lol i heard kurt rambis is out...
dolan might hire rambis though
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Heard that too
I think Rambis is a nice guy but hiring him was definitely dumb. Guys that come from Phil Jackson’s staff and try to implement the triangle elsewhere always seem to fail. Also I remember Rambis kind of being a joke the time he was interim coach for the Lakers.
Hope so for this Rubio kid
I guess it doesn’t make a ton of sense to make a new coaching hire before the lockout
No
and worry about the Heat.
Yea, the duck I know.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think all of those percentages are wrong
Since most players who have come over recently have done just as well or better in the NBA
If Kemba Walker falls to 17, do you guys want him?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Kemba Walker is going to be star for whoever gets him.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i thought he was like a top 5-10 pick?
how on earth will he fall to 17???
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Well, if Utah picks Knight 3rd, they don''t need another PG #12
So the thinking is if Sacramento passes on Walker for say… Kawhi Leonard… one could argue the rest of the teams up to the Knicks at #17 don’t really need a PG. Indy is lookin at Jimmer, so of course they could take Kemba #15 though…
The kicker will be to see what Toronto does. everyone expects them to take a PG (myself included), but I just read for 2 diff spots that Colangelo and Casey are looking to go defensive and MAY jump at Biyombo at #5. I personally think that’s way to high to take Bisquick, but who the hells knows in this draft???
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
this draft is going to be just a little wild.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Totally...
wild, fun, unpredictable… all of those lovely adjectives that make it a must-see event.
Hope it lives up to that hype tho… at the very least from a Knick perspective (as long as it helps the team of course).
about as much as i want minka kelly
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by tanman5 on Jun 23, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Time to sit back, coast through the speculation and rumors,
and just enjoy whomever the Knicks end up with tonight. I would argue for which specific players I dig the most, but I was also super hyped for Andy Rautins last year, Huh.
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Hopefully he'll be able to figure his shit out in Erie
because I still dig the theory of Andy Rautins.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Save me Marshon Brooks
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
I got a feeling Brooks might be a Knick for like 25 seconds
then be traded to the Pacers for Knickola
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Seth, whats your Twats name?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Jun 23, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Either
@seth_rosenthal or Ellen, depending on what you mean.
by Seth on Jun 23, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Wow. Now THAT was crafty!!!
Hahahahahahaha
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Chad Ford's latest mock draft
has Chris Singleton falling to us, Alec Burks falling to 18 and Marshon Brooks falling to 19. And Vucevic to the Rockets.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
that sounds realistic
cuz it’d make all of use boo.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Great another garbage guard from FSU who can't shoot but can play defense
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Singleton's the best defender in the draft
And he’s 6’9"
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Singleton a lot
but if Alec Burks is also on the board, he should be our guy.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously what is with all this Vusevic talk?
The guy can’t defend and doesn’t have much athletic ability. If we take a Big we need someone who will compliment Amar’e and do the dirty work-rebounding, shot blocking. We don’t need our two bigs to be ball dominant on offense and liabilities on defense and the glass. Also, we need a big who can get up and down the court. Here are the guys I’m interested in, if we aren’t taking a guard:
1) Byombo (pardon the spelling, going off the top of my head)-Triple Double of 19pts, 10 brds, and 10 blocks at the Hoops Summit is nothing to poo poo. The guy may not have much of an offense to his game, but he works hard, crashes the boards and can block shots.
2) JaJuan Johnson-the guy can run the court,
rebound, block shots, and if need be, he has a polished offense as well. I would seriously take him at 17 or try and aquire another first rd pick and take him.
3) Markieff Morris-the guy is big and physical at 6’10 246 and isn’t some uncordinated stiff.
4) Another guy I’d consider, if we could purchase a second rd pick is Keith Benson. In my opinion, he’s as good a player as JaJuan Johnson, but because he needs to bulk up a bit, he played at Oakland, and didn’t look so good against Texas I’m sure he’ll be availble in the second round.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
welp...he can defend quite well, so there's that.
He’s also one of the better rebounders in the draft. He doesn’t dominate the ball, if anything he’s the perfect catch and shoot big that would actually take (and make) those 18 fters that Turiaf could only make at Gonzaga.
So, uh..yea, that’s why.
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Did you see him play at USC?
The guy wasn’t anything special. We need a guy who can defend and rebound and get up and down the court. Vucevic passes 1 of these 3 requirements. Which write up have you read that says he can defend quite well? From my own personal eye test, and from what I’ve read the only thing he’s praised for shooting and rebounding but doesn’t have the athleticism to defend his position.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he doesnt jump well
but does he have to?
he’s the heaviest in the draft, how does he move? our offense is not slow…..
From what I read (and saw) is that he'll struggle with the 6"7 220lbs centers that don't exist in teh NBA
but the 7fters like Bogurt, Gasol or the other big guys that have destroyed the Knicks, he’ll do well against.
All I see out there is Marc Gasol. That pudgy bastard can’t run around all day either, but I doubt the Knicks with Burps and Melo are doing that sort of stuff anymore anyway.
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Leuer is a good value
but his short wingspan makes him less able to play the 5. I like the idea of picking Leuer, though, in the second round. He’s a slightly above average rebounder in college, which is probably better than what we’ve got.
I dunno, have to ask Amar'e on that one
in theory he could and should at least.
I like Leuer too, just his name hasn’t gotten thrown around as much at 17
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yeah not at 17
He’d go second round, which is why he’s a better value. I read that Leuer’s rebound total is about what you can expect for the system. Not sure if that’s true. He’s been training with David Lee.
wonder if they have talked about defense?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So pretty much that training is
1st to miss a shot, lol!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they are playing HORSE?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
he did, but he tried to do it with sign language
and it just took too long
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll be camped at the elbows or the 3 point line on offense
And he’ll have a shorter trip to the other end.
I know he’s not a spectacular athlete, but I really think the guy has what the Knicks need. But if you’ve seen him play, that certainly counts for a lot, so I’ll take your word for it. I guess I’ll think about that if the Knicks don’t pick him.
I live in LA. If the guy was truly good like Kevin Love the LA hype machine would've been out in full efffect.
I’m not saying he’s garbage, because if he truly was, he wouldn’t start at U$C. However, I just don’t see first round pick material here, unless we’re talking about late first early second.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Landry Fields wasn't hyped up either
the only reason Vucevic isn’t a top 5 pick is cuz he played in the US, for a college team.
If he played overseas, his size and polished skill set he’d probably be above Kanter and valaciunas for chrissake. He’s no less athletic them them either.
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yea, every player without hype is not good
and every player with hype is good.
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No one pays attention to Stanford Hoops outside of the Bay Area, hence Landry wasn't hyped up.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one really pays attention to USC hoops either
especially after all the sanctions against them.
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Are you kidding? Out here U$C and UCLA get non-stop press
Along with the Lakers and Dodgers. You can’t go 24 hrs without these 4 entities being discussed to death in the LA Sports Talk Radio market.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm wondering
Can you be more specific about what you didn’t like about his game while watching him play?
Pac-10 Tournament against UofA and NCAA First 4 vs VCU
Derrick Williams took the challenge of guarding him and held Vucevic to 12 pts and 12 rebounds. Vucevic was a non factor in that game. USC lost by 10 points in that game.
In the VCU game, he puts up 11 and 14, USC loses the rebounding margin by 10 and and they lose the game by 10.
It’s one thing for Derrick Williams to shut you down, but it’s another for VCU to render you irrelevant in an NCAA Tournament game.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
12 and 12, 11 and 14...that's a bad thing?
what?
Also VCU was very, very, very good defensively. That he put up 11 and 14 is pretty damn good.
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If you're a "first round caliber" big man
You better dominate VCU and put up near 20-20 numbers. There’s no way a BCS school with a first rd nba draft big man should get out worked on the glass and have their big man not dominate that game. That 11-14 and 12-12 would be respectable if he wasn’t supposed to be their best player.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No first round big man dominated VCU
None. Not even the 2nd rounders did anything great against them.
That’s why they made the final 4.
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yes you are correct with that. I still maintain though, JJ from Purdue is a better fit for us than Vucevic
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would really rather have Vucevic AND Johnson
Johnson to me is ideally a backup 4/5 that can score.
Vucevic I think is a starting caliber 5 as he grows into his body (he was a 6"10 220lbs stringbean a few years ago, so he’s not exactly used to being as big as he is)
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Well... I think that's a bit of disrespect towards VCU
To their credit, they turned their weaknesses into strengths in the NCAA tourney. No one saw them coming.
We are talkin about a team that went to the Final 4 after barely even making the tournament. Luck only takes you so far.
Also, 1st round caliber Big Men shoudl be able to double-double. 20-20 is pretty fucking amazing, dude. Far, far, far from a standard. And especially given that it’s highly likely that Derrick Williams gets drafted much lower if this were a stronger draft and such… he’s good, but he’s not great.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe that's out there
over here and anywhere outside California, USC gets no play for basketball.
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I’m not a scout so maybe my opinion doesn’t count. But as an employee at USC I got access to free game tickets through my department.
I went and watched him play, along with following the Pac-10. Nikola has a nice scoring touch (which we don’t need) but he is slow and plodding. The guy has bust written all over him. He was outplayed by Josh Smith @ UCLA, who is a 300 pound tub of lard freshman. we should stay the hell away from Nikola
we need a scoring touch, actually especially at the 5 spot
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I'm feeling like a fucking tape recorder
he can most definitely rebound, shit the only one better is Faried in this draft.
And defensively he’ll be fine against the big bastards.
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Kawhi Leonard at 6'7" with 7ft+ wing span is a better rebounder than Vucevic
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather have Kawhi over Fields
Kawhi’s shot is still developing, it’s gotten substantially better every year. He isn’t afraid to shoot in big games. He’s only been playing basketball since his sophmore/junior uear of high school. He’s a more active rebounder than fields and he’s a really good defender. He can guard SFs and SGs.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hrm.
I think it’s generally a bad idea to exchange a guy that has actually had some actual success in the NBA for a draftee who supposedly will do some things better. The chances of Leonard being as good a player as Fields are actually pretty low, though it’s certainly possible.
Ive seen both Leonard and Fields play
I like em both. But one hasn’t reached his potential, while the other is probably not going to get any better. I’m not advocating dumping Fields. I’m just saying that today if I had to decide between one of them for the long term, I’m going with Kawhi. I’ve never seen Kawhi get lost in a game, I’ve seen him play 60+ game in college, and I’ve seen Fields in his rookie season. Fields for how well he played at times, also tended to disapear or never even show up in a game. It became especially noticeable as the season came to end. That concerns me.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you offered Landry
For any top 10 pick, you’d be turned down. Kawhi is expected to be significantly better than Landry
That doesn't mean it make sense
Think about it: Landry was 3rd in the ROY voting. How can all ten of those top ten picks be better than that?
Teams historically overvalue their picks
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
There are plenty of guys who didn’t get many minutes early on, but played much better than Landry in the second half of the season, and will be much better in the future
Lets be honest, his second half of the season was very mediocre
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I wasn't saying we should play Leonard at Center
I was just saying he’s much better rebounder
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Leonard is one of the better rebounders too
but again, he’s 6"6. He’s basically Kenneth Faried that’s playing his ideal position.
We’re talking about a Center in Vucevic. Leonard is not that.
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the only reason we needed scoring in the postseason was both amare and billups were out. if we’re counting on offense from our 5 this season, we’re fucked. there’s no reason a team with amare /melo/billups should be lacking for offense.
we're not counting on offense from the 5
we’re counting on offense from all 5 on the court. ITs about being better then everyone.
You can never have enough scoring. It helps everyone out. Amar’e or Carmelo don’t have to go 1 on 5, ever. One on one those guys are amazing. Having a guy that can hurt you if you help off him is essential.
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Incorrect
You’ve got to have more than one or two guys capable of scoring. They don’t need to be capable of taking guys one on one or scoring through a double team, but they have to be able to hit an open shot. I think you need at least 4 guys on the court willing and able to take and make an open shot because good defenses will take options 1 and 2 away.
JaJuan Johnson
He can rebound, He block shots, he can run the floor, and he can score with his back to the basket and has a face up game with a decent jumper. The guy IS better than Vucevic.
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Johnson would be a fine pick
but he’s not as good a rebounder and is about 40lbs lighter. the jumper is about the same tho Johnson’s back to basket game is better.
The difference is Vucevic is a legit 5, Johnson really is a PF/C type of dude. Also Johnson is probably more close to his ceiling while Vucevic is a bit more of a project.
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we don't need shot blocking
we need man to man post defense, which Vucevic provides and I did not know you were god and can declare one person better than another
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 23, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
any reasonable NBA player should be able to hit an open shot. the fact we have to play inept people like JJ out there is more telling of trying to get under the cap more than acquisition of talent but no way do I see nikola as a 4 year commitment I want to make.
yes he has a decent scoring touch, but if he’s allowing more to be scored against him he’s not going to see much playing time. the guy is slow. the speed of the NBA game will kill him and send him to the bench. I’m sensing Darko Part 2 here.
We're talking about Centers
there’s not many Centers that can shoot like this, THAT is the difference here.
I think you’re missing the fact that he’s not any slower or less athletic then Marc Gasol or Andrew Bogut, two very good Cs who would fit in fine with oru offense.
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that's a bad thing, I'd think if Jeffries name is in there
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Well said Raj
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well...he could destroy David Lee too
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It's sad Golden State is already regretting that contract
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and Bumbles having a triple double in the Hoops Summit
after being ntohing more then that African dude that could jump high in the Spanish league, really is something to sneeze at .
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Vucevic defense
Vucevic won’t block a lot of shots, but he’s a solid defender int he post. In that sense, he’s actually a good complement to Amar’e, who’s a great weakside shot blocker but struggles guarding bigs in the post.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
wonder if TD + cash would cut it for eric maynor. i’ve always liked him and feel he would be a good fit here. can run a good PnR, and as a UCLA guy I watched him almost upset us with VCU
they're shopping him for a lotto pick (I'm assuming with their pick too)
But no way they do that straight for Douglas and cash
Some non big men I like in this draft in no particular order
The Guards
1) Jimmer
2) Kemba Walker
3) Norris Cole
4) Marshon Brooks
5) Reggie Jackson
6) Charles Jenkins
The Forwards
1) Derrick Williams
2) Tristan Thompson
3) Kawhi Leonard
4) Kenneth Fareid
5) Malcom Thomas-potential second round steal.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If we trade for a 2nd round pick we need Norris Cole
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck Norris Cole
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and the roundhouse!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeterian I like both Kemba and Jimmer
Both will be really good if given the opportunity to be themselves on the right team.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well.. if Toronto and Sac pass on Kemba... it seems a good bet he is on the board and gets taken by Indy
Which would in turn possibly leave Jimmer on the board at #17…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmer will get drafted by either Utah or Indy if he's there
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what if Utah takes Brandon Knight #3?
Why would they use both of their lottery picks on PGs??
And Indy, sure… but what if Kemba Walker is available?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Indy has Collison
I think Collison is Kemba’s floor, so I don’t think they’re gonna want two of the same player there.
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Agreed.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also... Collison is kinda undersized as well...
and with Jimmer about hte same size, that makes for a very short backcourt…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Utah is not taking Brandon Knight
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
honestly
they can go either way with Kanter if they really like him but Brandon Knight is something they need
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
My reasoning
1) I don’t see Brandon Knight fitting their offense.
2) The need more shooters, and Jimmer is one of the best shooters in this draft.
3) He’s a local kid from BYU. The team jettisoned fan favorite D Williams at mid season, and Jerry Sloan left the franchise. The Jazz need to keep their fans interested in coming to the games while they rebuild their franchise. Jimmer allows them to rebuild and mantain local interest in the Jazz. He’s a cult hero in that state. He would actually up season ticket renewals for them.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what I saw last night
Knight makes total sense for them because Harris isnt a shooter
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Knight isn't the shooter that Jimmer is
Brandon Knight is merely a slasher with streak shooting.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Utah could totally take Knight.
my guess is they do… but who really knows? But I don’t think you can even come close to rule them totally out from taking him.
Well, if they dont take Knight at #3, they might not take Kemba at #12 either
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmer is a better 3 point shooter, and Indy desperately needs 3 point shooting.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
I dont see Jimmer falling past them either
I wouldnt rule out him at 12 either
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We shoulda made some kinda game outta the first round...
everyone projects the first 30… points for each one right based on the pick… track it in a spreadsheet or sumthin’.
The winner get the title of “P&T Draft Guru” til next year’s draft. ;-)
k...
so we’ll wait approx 10 years for the results? ;-) Gotta let everyone’s full career run the course.
Alan Hahn's mock has Kemba at 17.
I’m positively giddy. I know that it’s just a mock, but to see Kemba falling that far is awesome.
Iverson that plays great D
has basically the opposite of Iverson’s shoot always attitude and also has Carmelo, Amar’e and Burps to learn from? I’d say that’s a good thing
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12th all time in steals, at least. What would Kemba be learning from Carmelo and Amar’e? Tunnel vision?
he'd be learning from Billups
Carmelo and Amar’e would be handling the star stuff so he won’t have to do it all here.
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He'd be pretty good along side them if he can run a little pick n' roll.
He plays good D on point guards, can catch and shoot, and can create/take big shots as well as anyone. He never had a chance to pass much, only because UCONN’s other scorers were Shabaz and Lamb, both of whom preferred to created for themselves. I think he’ll be a good play maker in the NBA. I do not, however, think he will be available.
Agreed with Rorshach's assessment of Kemba
It’s the best comparison I’ve heard
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kemba doesn't fill a need though
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I wouldn't mind going BPA though.
In my opinion, he would definitely be that at 17.
Yeah, I understand the rationale
But he would be more useful as a trade asset than for your own team.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Well, that fills a need too, no? lol
We could use trade bait! Damn we need a lot!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the Knicks have too many needs to determine if a need isn't filled
tho…he’s a PG that plays defense and can run an offense. Pretty sure that’s like need 1A
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he’s a PG that plays defense
Kind of short to be a lockdown defender
can run an offense
Eh, I’ll take your word for it
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I admit I haven't seen much of him, so...
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Well, to be fair... there have been some good PGs in the past who have been a bit on the vertically challenged side
Iverson, Damon Stoudamire, Muggsy Bogues!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Isaiah Thomas is short...
and he’s currently climbing draft boards (maybe into the first round, but doubtful). I’d love to see him on our Knicks as an early-mid 2nd rounder.
the other guy too.
Joe Dumars was another…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
heh... "the other guy"
is he our latest HWSNBN?
I was thinking of Mini-Me
:-)
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
how is Kemba short?
he’s 6"1, pretty much the going rate for PGs. He’s also very strong for that size and quick. Maybe he’ll have a tougher time with the 6"5 PGs, but they are rare anyway. His quickness and overall Bball IQ on defense overcome that anyway.
Chris Paul doesn’t struggle on D and he’s really the same sort of defender.
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If you can ball, you can ball. He passes the eye test.
When we start splittling hairs on a player’s height we start talking ourselves into the wrong player. So many idiot NBA gms do this is beyond ridiculous.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Played great defense on John Wall last year, is as tall as Toney Douglas and much quicker and more athletic,
so his size shouldn’t prevent him from guarding PGs. Taller than Felton, Chris Paul…
Never had to pass because he can create his own shot so damn well, but when he did, he threw some bullets that were right on the money. Never going to be a great passer, but is better than Toney Douglas (if it sounds like I’m hating on Toney, I promise I’m not).
He’ll be like a smaller, quicker, more athletic, weaker, Chauncey, in my opinion.
Yep...
he definitely fills a need. Size/Toughness (D and boards) and a PG. We’re obviously set at the 1, 3 and 4 spots. The 2 is “adequate” currently with what we have. It’s the 5 that’s the biggest concern and from there it’s the backup/future 1 spot.
I'm calling homerism on that one
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Please no Chris Singleton
Out of all the guys we’ve been connected to, Singleton is the one that makes me shudder the most. I’ve read scouts that love him say his peak scoring the ball is around 7 points. Sure he’s a great defender but imagine a matchup with the Heat. Everyone says we should draft him to stick LeBron but if he’s on Lebron, then Melo is either out of the game or completely mismatched on DWade or Haslem or someone like that. Overall, having Singleton in would hurt the Knicks D more than it would help, and it would certainly hurt the offense because he won’t space the floor
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 23, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
agreed
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sup dude
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
sup.
man how ridiculous was it to see those cry baby eagles fans bitching in BTB this week?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because a bunch of us were of the opinion that DeSean Jackson's not even the best WR on the Eagles
Those babies came out of the wood work and started ripping the Boys, Romo, and calling every one of us bandwagoners. Then they started calling Eagles fans who’ve got no connection to Philly bandwagon fans in order to justify ripping Cowboys fans.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
I barely go on BTB because the NFL off-season is so boring.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
yeah got hectic
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewer is not nearly the defender that Singleton was in college
he’s also pretty much limited to defending guards since he’s 180lbs soaking wet.
If we’re talking about a player the Knicks gave away that could compare to Singleton, its Wilson Chandler. And he wasn’t nearly the defender that Singleton is either.
If we’re talking about who he can defend, he’s much similar to someone like Udonis Haslem. He can guard guys much bigger then him. His offense would be work in progress tho.
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I think Singleton is way farther ahead than Brewer was
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well its Sunday gameplanning to take a look at what the players are
sure, on the outside they’re both defense first SFs. But other then that, Brewer was perimeter guy and Singleton is an interior guy.
Its almost like saying that Amar’e and Carmelo are both great scoring forwards, so they’re the same.
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Because this contract would be a fraction of what it costs to keep Brewer!
Brewer makes $3 mil this year… and his qualifying offer would have to be at least $3.6Mil (according to HoopsWorld). Our #17 pick will make $1.34 Mil this year.
So, like about 1/3 of the cost!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
from what I heard was we released Brewer more cuz of the money, not his skillset.
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Right. Pringles didn;t think Brewer would get many minutes in the rotation
so why pay so much for a guy who isnt gonna play? The Knicks did Brewer a huge favor
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
woooo hoooo
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
Kemba Walker is the best player in this draft, yeah I said it
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
they should
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is the best player in the draft
thats jmo
Kyrie Irving is special no doubt about that but idk im just a Kemba fan
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno
there’s been no word on if they like him. No workouts or anything like that. I don’t think they’d pass
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Kemba wont fall that far
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Vucevic should be the pick if he is available imo
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
im just saying Vucevic fills a need and makes this team better now
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
Chia normally we agree, on these things
Would you seriously rather have Vuvevic over JaJuan Johnson, Markieff Morris, and Biyombo? Please give reasoning.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we need a center though
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh... doesn't size/defense/rebounding imply probably a center?
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
didnt he average a double double at USC?
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also non-athletic, slow, and can't defend
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and he defended well - tape recorded message
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If we draft this guy, I hope you're correct
the last thing we need is a big man whose useless
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did he?
Because draft profiles seem to consider him a defensive liability. Which is the last thing we need.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
smaller Cs yes, cuz of lateral mobility
the bigger ones he defended fine.
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...for a price the Knicks can not afford.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that too
But if the rumors of trading Josh Smith to get high enough to pick Enes Kanter turn out to be true… they look pretty solid with Horford able to play PF
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if we don't draft anyone
I think we could beat the Hawks in a series. They aren’t that good.
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AND STAY HYDRATED????
i cant even keep my pants on, im running around like Quagmire… have you ever seen a Security Guard with NO PANTS ON!!!! and say “Stay Hydrated”???
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
one can only dream
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife" Mozzarella 17:3
Delonte took his talents to Gloria
For a draft that people say is thin
seems pretty thick to me.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
the idea this draft was thin has been bullshit for months
sort of sad that “weak” and “thin” still describes it
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What players do you think will help the most?
Kemba
Jimmer
Vuvecic
Markeiff
Johnson
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
I'd say
Kemba or Vucevic( my 2 Favorites besides klay thompson)
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife" Mozzarella 17:3
Delonte took his talents to Gloria
i guess its weak if you need a
1 or 1a kinda player…
since we have that, the fact its filled with role players is kinda awesome.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Ideal draft
Vuvecic+ Morris/Jenkins in the 1st round
Have JuJuan Johnson fall, buy him up in the 2nd round
= No reason we shouldn’t contend this year
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 23, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
I dunno about 3 rookies allowing us to contend for anything
also I think Johnson should be snatched up first if he falls that far.
but I like that trio of picks.
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Well
I really think we have a good core, and were a bigman/ backup pg away from making a deep run last year. Add in a year of getting to know the system/their teammates, I think the Knicks will challenge the Bulls and Heat this year.
As far as Johnson, D/X has him falling to the 7th pick of the 2nd round. Definitely a buysblr pick if it does happen
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 23, 2011 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jajuan's the type that in real life his experience and polish gets him drafted a lot earlier then
what imaginary mock world has him. Of course if he fell that far, it’d be better. But I think he’ll go before all those PGs.
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Not a lot to dislike here
This would be a nice haul, although we’d need to grab those picks and Philly would have to pass on Vuc
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmer is more Ben Gordon than Kemba is
If you watch Jimmer play, he plays the same way Ben Gordon did/does. Kemba, like Rorshach said, is Iverson with defense and will actually pass to his teammates.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rubio would solve all problems.
He can score well, but is an elite passer. DAMMIT MINNESOTA!
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Rubio passes well
he can’t score for shit, can’t shoot, can’t defend and is slow. Kahn can have em
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That can get by when Amar'e and Melo is the team.
I His defense is only a liability because he’s always going for steals.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
It really can't get by. You need more then 2 players who can score. Like 5 of them.
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Ehh with 2 stars I think you can have 1 guy not scoring.
He’s making up for it with his passing.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Rubio wouldnt solve all our problems. he cant shoot and could have big problems adjusting to nba game.
but he brings d and passing, yes.
I'm not sold on Rubio. Love his ball handling, PAUSE, but he can't shoot.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The way you described Gordon fits Jimmer
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, though he shot so much in school, dude apparently has an excellent hoops IQ
I think people are underestimating him in a major way by assuming he is simply a short shooter.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt go nearly that far...
but I think Fredette is gonna be a very good player.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
and I think he will translate quickly to the NBA
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
both of those players
averaged 8 assists a game last year. jimmer hasnt done that yet
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right. Let's not go batshit on expectations just yet.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmer can handle the rock and offense much better then Ben Gordon could ever dream of
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this is true.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Is it me or does it seem like one guy is going to fall and the Knicks are going to just take whoever it is
and please dont take vuvecic
Anyone interested in Burks?
If he dropped, we would HAVE to take him.
Berman posted a rumor that Burks declined to workout for NY
Obviously it’s Berman so giant boulder of salt, buuutt…. maybe declined cus he thinks he’ll be a lottery pick??
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
prob means nothing
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Because I read that he tried getting a workout here last minute b/c he felt his stock was falling. Sure weeks ago he might have declined, but I’m pretty sure he tried to get a workout today.
Could have, sure
Berman is a twatter too.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Its Berman
it likely means that we’re working him out today, privately and he was shut out about the info.
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If the Knicks get Tony Parker I'll shoot myself.
How many old PG’s do they need?
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
why exactly are you worried that much if the Knicks get Parker?
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We tend to do crazy shit like this
I think that completes the thought
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
just saying dude's not a Knicks fan
its like you shooting yourself over the Giants trading Osi for a draft pick.
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LOL, that's messed up but funny.
I’ll admit he doesn’t help himself as a Heat fan.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Heat aren't worthy of love.
They’re worthy of all the hate they get. And this was before the 3 Douches came together. It goes back to Pat Riley lying about why he wanted to leave the Knicks, negotiating a power deal with Miami at the same time. It goes back to David Stern awarding us two useless draft picks as compensation. Furthermore, it goes back to their rip job in 1997 with PJ Brown body slamming Charlie Ward in front of the Knicks bench in series the Knicks were up 3-1. Stern suspends 3 core players from the Knicks for both games 6 and 7 so his boy Mickie Aranson can enjoy an Eastern Conference Finals appearance vs MJ and co. Aside from 1993, and 1994, 1997 was our last real good shot to win an NBA title, that was one of the deepest Knick teams we had that could score and defend. We also were the only team to beat the Bulls twice that season. I’ll never get over that series being stolen from us like that. That’s why I hate Miami.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
AMEN... A EFFIN MEN
i really damn near shedded a tear, you not only hit the nail on the head with what you just said, you rebuilt all the houses in New Orleans… i hated the heat for as long as i could remember but whenthat asshole pj brown German Suplexed Charlie Ward i officially hated Patrick Riley, he orchestrated that i hope you know
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I shed tears inside till this day over that series
I’d trade our wins over them in 1998, 1999, and 2000 just to see how 1997 would’ve played out had we gotten to play Chicago.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
being a Heat/Knicks fan is like being a Cowboys/Giants fan, or a Red Sox/Yankees fan. Shit don’t mix.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or a Suns fan also liking the Spurs-see 2007
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to like who I want to like.
I’m not going to be basing it off what some guy on the internet tells me I can and cannot like due to previous actions.
So if you really bout it jump in a pool with no clothes and streak at your nearest schools jv baseball game.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
I get it you like Wade. I knew Knicks fans who loved Jordan
Both guys are tremendously amazing to watch. You’re a Knicks fan, at least in my opinion, if during a Heat Knicks game you’ve never pulled for Miami to win.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I pulled for the Knicks in that Heat vs. Knicks game
when the Knicks just came off the loss to Cleveland. I was in this game thread to prove I was.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Don't sweat it.
Miami is touchy subject for us. It fuels anger and emotions we haven’t gotten over, even 14 years later, at least for those of us who are in our late 20s and older.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't even know this era.
It’s hard to believe when you tell me this. haha
I just remember watching Wade do amazing things when I was in middle school.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Damn you're young.
I was in my 3rd year at San Diego State when Wade exploded during the tournament at Marquette.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
most consider Parker to be in his prime years right now...
old, he is not.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
More importantly, who are you to be making that reference?
If you’re a mummy I’m going to be PISSED OFF.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not happening. The Spurs want a lottery pick for Parker and Richard Jefferson.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have friend whose a spurs fan.
That’s from his mouth to my ears to this thread.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's exactly what I told my friend, and he wanted to punch something.
But that’s the state of things. The Spurs desperately want to unload Jefferson in the same deal, kill two boards with one stone.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I can't imagine a team wanting
to take on both their problem contracts, let alone toss them a lotto pick for the honor
Agreed, but... Parker is 29...I wouldn't call that old. And with championships...
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the analogy but I still disagree
If I’m building a tennis team, you bet your ass I want Federer on it.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tennis careers end much earlier
Because they play year round, maybe 100 hours per year of matches, from the time they’re children. They get burnt out.
you know he's not #1, right?
He’ll likely be done in his early 30s. Of course, Parker probably will be also unless he learns to shoot threes like Nash and Kidd.
I know
But his game hasn’t really changed. He isn’t number 1 because Rafa is really, really good, and Djokovic has also played at an insanely high level.
It’s not the best analogy, it wasn’t meant to be. But then, how many tennis players make it past their early 30’s?
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showing plenty of signs of slowing down
he’s still good, but he’s not what he was in like 2007
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sampras got old real fast
and agassi lasted because he took a few years in the nineties to do meth and be Brooke Shields’ whipping boy
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federe just doesnt give afuck anymore, he won everything. plus competition got lot tougher, befire he schooled one trick pnoy player like roddick or safinf.
novak or rafa are completely different animal.
no no no no
Do you watch tennis? He just schooled Novak in 4 sets at the French.
Pop quiz: How many players have beaten Djokovic this year?
One. Federer. The once and future king.
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what evidence is there of that?
roger beat novak and took a set off nadal at the french (considering that nadal has only lost 12 sets in his LIFE at the French, that’s pretty good)
Federer isn’t losing to them because he lacks motivation. He’s losing to them because they are better right now.
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I can't believe I'm about to say this but this is the first thought that came to my head.
Andy Roddick is the Tony Romo of Men’s Tennis. He’s got game, hasn’t really done mutch in the Grand Slam events, with an amazingly hot wife.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hated typing that.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agassi married an ugly one
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Minka Kelly is fiiiiiiine!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he won an open . . .
and he does very well at wimbledon, he just keeps on running into the best player of all time in the finals
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Dudes point is Parker may be 29, but he has a ton of NBA mileage already
And he will possibly hit a decline at an earlier age than other 29yr olds. While i think he will decline earlier, that won’t happen for the next couple years. Parker is still in prime condition right now in my opinion.
But it really has little to do with the diferences between tennis players and basketball players, guys. So, you know… it doesn’t really further the thread much to dissect the analogy so finely.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah lengthy contract, too
I know I posted a trade proposal for the guy, but I wouldn’t want him here unless we got a sweetener back
Parker's got 2 really good years left. Also, his contract is cap friendly
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
A couple of new bits of info.
From tweets:
-via probballdraft:
Probballdraft Probasketballdraft
Great news for @thenyknicks fans who want Kemba. Sounds like Walker is slipping & will likely be at 17 for NY to take. Great fit w/ #Knicks
-via Alex Kennedy:
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Biyombo may also have an issue with his buyout, according to @ESPNAndyKatz: http://tinyurl.com/6gh8fjg
Hopefully allows him to fall to us. Endorsements should allow him to pay the buyout.
-via Woj:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Kings have made it privately clear that they expect to trade 7th pick, sources say. “They’re confident they have deal,” one official says.
Hopefully we can work out a deal. Many different options. Either Douglas, 17 and cash for 7. or Landry, 17 and cash for 7 and Casspi. or Turiaf, Landry or Douglas, 17 and cash for Udrih or Garcia, 7 and maybe Casspi. It’s looking like the only way to get Biyombo is to move ahead of Charlotte, Detroit and Houston (and hope that Toronto doesn’t take him at 5).
There were a couple of other tweets earlier that are lost my twitter feed (which is exploding w draft talk). Some about Robin Lopez, Ramon Sessions and Shumpert.
I like the idea of Iman Shumpert
if guys like kemba, burks, jimmer are all gone…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Shumpert wouldn't be bad, but he's definitely not one of my top choices.
Draftexpress currently has us taking him. But over Burks, Brooks and Motiejunas which I strongly dislike. I’d take any of those 3 guys over Shumpert.
Yeah. He would be a great pick up to add to a big or shooter at 17.
So if we trade up for Biyombo or get somebody like Jimmer, Klay, Motiejunas, Vucevic, Burks or Kemba then Shumpert could be a good pick with a later pick as the Tony Allen role.
What about Marshon Brooks?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
more sold on Brooks than Shumpert
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by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in fairness
He played at Providence. Football players at Vanderbilt don’t get great coverage either despite playing in the SEC. same thing
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Well.... providence sucked.
BYU was a top 10 team….
That kinda has something to do with it
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Or you could say Jimmer is an adorable little white kid from a small Mormon school in a cow conference who can shoot 30 foot 3pters and lead the nation in scoring.
Big East is the closest thing to the NBA in the NCAA. And thats the real bottom line. Its not Marshon’s fault he plays on a bad team in a ridiculous conference.
kemba received at least as much hype as Jimmer
Because his team WON in the Big East. Marshon’s didn’t.
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Sure there is a part of all this that plays to Jimmer being a catchy name and maybe even white.
But cmon now… BYU is not even close to a basketball powerhouse.
The idea that people got excited about BYU playing San Diego State is nothig short of amazing.
It’s not like Jimmer Fredette was playing at UNC, Duke, UCLA, or Kentucky.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I also heard that Biyombo might have a herniated disk in his back and knee problems. Probably explains his stock dropping.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No I heard it's nothing major.
I think it was Kennedy or one of the good reporters saying that most lottery teams would still take him. Nothing to be too concerned about.
If Kemba falls to us, I know we need a big man, but this kid has serious chops
Sees the floor, can score with the best of em…I don’t know how we don’t take him
Biyombo =Bust
Hope the knicks don’t draft this guy. He has bust written all over him. Here’s a guy who people don’t know his real age. He couldn’t even get quality playing time in Europe and when he did, he didn’t put up quality stats. Very limited offense and very raw on the boards and D. He will foul a lot which will limit his playing time. I see him as a reserve who comes in and plays below average and will fall off the charts like so many European players. Yea, he can dunk, but can’t all 6’8" guys with no one around them. The minute you put a big body on him, he goes away from the basket and tries a fade away. That won’t cut it in the NBA.
I'm very skeptical about Biyombo too
however, every year there is always one guy who garners a ton of last minute rumors that turn out to be bullshit. Biyombo, though he has many flags, could very well be that guy this year.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
NY should draft Faried, as he is a monster on the boards with a non stop motor, ala-Rodman and B Walllace. With Stat and Melo, they don’t need another scorer down low but a boarder and defensive playmaker who he will be. He will give everything he has every night and will go through a wall for the team. I see him easily 8-10 boards every night. The Garden crowd will love him.
After drafting Faried, they should buy back in the second and take Shumpert if he is stiil there. Or take a flyer on Selby if they can buy into the 2nd round. He and Melo are good buddies and chemistry will be key.
I agreed with you on the Biyambo stuff
but Faried is basically a shittier, smaller version of Biyambo
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yeah no to Faried
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if the knicks draft BBgun
I trust that Mike D is confident enough in his O, which is good enough for me.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
alot of this is NOT TRUE. bismack has tool to become really great defender in the league.
But he is not my fav pick and his lack of offense is gonna be tough to swallow for couple of years.
Biyambo
The guy is VERY VERY raw. I’ve seen him play and he will need a lot of time to get aclimated to the NBA. He is 18-21 yrs old and I see him being below average now. Maybe 3- 4 yrs he matures into an average player but by then, Melo and Stat will be at their playing limits. With Faried, you know what you will get, great short game, tough D and a lot of boards right now. with Biyombo, he might be good in 3-4 yrs or become a lost European player who could make the transition.
very raw on d, but on of he isnot significantely worse than faried. that age thing is speculation on your part.
and playing in spanish league is ALOT tougher than in NCAA, its not even comparable.
Faried is awful on offense though..
saying Biyombo isn’t significantly worse you might as well say he can do layup lines
Faried and Biyambo are both useless on offense
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At the same time, you could say “Very few centers have ever come into the NBA at such a young age with such a phenomenal combination of strength, wingspan, athleticism, and timing on shot blocking and on the glass. He doesn’t have much offensive skills, but neither did Dwight Howard when he came into the league, and now he can score pretty much at will.”
Honestly, I don’t know the answer, because he could be a bust, but I fear not drafting him as much as I fear drafting him.
He's the same height as Dwight Howard
Faried is the one who’s a forward, and he’ll always be undersized.
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whoa whoa whoa...
if we draft Biyambo I hope I’m wrong. I hate the sight of the idea that we’d draft him. I think he stinks.
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Howard is listed at 6 11 and Biyombo is listed in his team roster as 6 9.
And remember height only goes as far as how use your body for position. Faried, knows how to block out and get position for every single shot as he wants that board. Thats what he craves for. Biyombo is still searching for any part of his game.
according to actual measured height
Dwight is 6"10.25 and Bismack is 6"9.5. That’s basically the same height. Their standing reach is identical. Their weight, entering the draft is close too. They’re pretty much the same.
Faried did all his rebounding on a team with a 6"3 PF, so he had no choice. He also defended Cs that weren’t in the most competitive of conferences either.
Biyambo and Faried are exactly the same. No offense, defending rebounders. They won’t get on the court much cuz they hurt the team on one end.
Bismack probably will have a better shot cuz he at least is Center sized. Faried is too small.
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Height
This is from the NIKE summit where they measured him.
‘He measured a 7-7 wingspan (which would rank fifth longest in our expansive database) at the Nike Hoop Summit, despite standing just 6-7 ¾ without shoes.’
His wing span is awesome which is great. But did you know that he turned the ball over 1/4 of all his possesions last season. That 25% of the time he got the ball. That is crazy for a European/Spanish league. He won’t last in the NBA like that.
again, I don't like him either
but this http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/
says he’s 6"8.3 without shoes and 6"9.5 with shoes (and they play with shoes in the NBA).
I’d rather he get drafted by Toronto and turns to shit.
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at least Amar'e wouldn't have to waste 3 pairs per game
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that is actually false he only wears 1 pair
he wore out a pair of hurache trainers that he wore for like 60 games or so
Victory goes to the courageous!!
why the hell do you know that
haha
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as seen here
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Victory goes to the courageous!!
Gerald Green would be the reigning MVP
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
That would be some kind of trainwreck
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Faried did get offensive rebounds at the highest rate too
So it’s not like he was only competing with his own guys
Givony reporting some "mock draft grenade" meaning a big trade or development that changes everything.
I think it’s a trade for #7 (Sacramento). It would match Woj’s tweet too.
Hopefully it’s us.
saw that on le twitter
I think its minny and utah, right? I hopes its the knicks.
I think it almost has to be Sacramento.
It just seems inevitable.
But some new tweets have a MIL-CHA deal in the works where Charlotte get #10 and they exchange vets. I think Charlotte wants Biyombo or Tristian Thompson along with a SG.
Charlotte really wants to have more then one TT boy
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I think Charlotte will draft Kawhi Leonard if they make that trade
They traded away Gerald Wallace at the deadline, and Kawhi is out of the same mold as Wallace. If that deal goes through, and Kawhi is there at 10, Charlotte takes him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
other then possibly buying another pick (which I wouldn't count on either)
I’d say teh Knicks ain’t doing shit other then picking #17
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the knicks will buy a pick
if not the 1st round, def the 2nd.
i think you could bet on that.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
we've all convinced ourselves of that, no doubt
I think they will too.
But it’ll be hilarious if/when they don’t and people flip a shit calling them dumb for not doing so.
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Two of them they had going in though
Just sayin what if picks aren’t as available as we’re all hoping
Like someone just said...
could be Minny – Atl…
Here it is
Jonathan Givony: Teams calling Sacramento about the #7 pick are being told it’s already been moved. Problem is, no one knows to who, or for which player. now
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Looks like Milwaukee is the team getting #7 from Sacramento.
I guess Sac wanted #10 b/c Jimmer will still be there and they could still pick up an extra asset from Milwaukee.
Nobody knows yet. But it's a three way trade between Charlotte, Sacramento and Milwaukee.
Milwaukee gets #7. That’s the only sure thing I think. I think there’s a Jackson and Maggette swap in there too.
but Woj says it is def a 3 way.
Jackson/Maggette swap? Why?
Their contracts are for the same length and Maggette makes more money.
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ouch, that is painfully on pint, lol!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but what does this do for the Bobcats?
Isn’t that a lot of money and a big talent downgrade to move up a few spots in a bad draft? Especially when a contender would have considered trading an expiring for Jackson at next year’s deadline
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thats my first thought too
Jackson has been a model citizen for them too… why move him for a guy who spends a lot of time hurt?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Jordan
is painfully bad at the draft. He now has the #7 pick and Corey Magette, plus he lost the #9 and #19 picks. But he’s out from under Stephen Jackson’s mammoth contract.
well you'd think Cho is calling these shots now
and they still have the #9
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So now they have 2 chances to get it right.
- will be Biyombo if Toronto doesnt take him and I bet #9 will bee… Tristan Thompson.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it puts them in front of Detroit at #7.
They both like Tristian Thompson and Bismack Biyombo, so Charlotte jumped in front to make sure they get their guy.
guhhh
third straight year I’ll miss all/part of it. although, shouldn’t miss too much if first pick is 7:30.
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and by about 3:30 in the morning they should be up to 17
if I recall correctly from last year’s excruciating wait
At five minutes per pick, which is the max the NBA allows, that puts the Knicks picking shortly before 9:00.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Alec Burks or Kemba?
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
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Delonte took his talents to Gloria
kemba
though i would be thrilled if we were in the position to make that choice
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even though the draft is in jersey
if we drafted kemba, the place would go nuts
Is this a serious question?
Maybe it’s this year’s Brandon Roy (Burks) or Randy Foye (yeahhh)
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i remember the last time someone was compared to brandon roy
ask the sixers how evan turner is working out for them
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The difference is that Turner was a mediocre player and everyone knew it
Burks is a better talent
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"Turner was a mediocre player and everyone knew it"
reflected in his #2 draft position
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
I know I wasn't the only NBA fan
who was ready to put money on Turner being mediocre in the NBA. Or on fellow #2 pick Thabeet (zomgBigEast!) busting for that matter. GMs can be really stupid.
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Do you really think Turner is as terrible as he was last year??
I mean. havent we been pretty defensive when people judge our rookies after just one year??
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a suckeye
which means he’s brain-dead, sucks, and probably traded game uniforms for tattoos
I wish him nothing but the worst
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
The sixers hates themselves
they routinely give away their best players. See Barkley, Iverson, Andre Miller, and soon to be Iguodala.
I don't think he likes them
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damn....
I’d probably go with Burks. He fills a bit more of an immediate need and also can play point.
But I’d be thrilled with Kemba too.
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Partial of deal: The Bucks get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, sources say. Charlotte gets the 7th pick and Corey Maggette.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
I thought the Bucks were getting #7
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Salmons..lol
Beno’s a decent backuo too.
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alive at five?
watch the draft, it’s raining
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Milwaukee’s 10th overall pick goes to the Kings, source says.
Bucks send 10th pick and John Salmons to Kings.
The Bobcats will have the 7th and 9th picks in the draft tonight as part of the deal, source says.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
Oh well then
this makes a lot more sense for Charlotte.
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Conflicting reports
between Ford and Woj
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
this is good for us then
basically you trade a team who could use a guard (Kings) for a team that has its point guard (Charlotte). one less team to worry about picking kemba
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
agreed
but they like him. maybe they take jimmer?
Cho appears to be a non-shitty GM, so they'll never do that
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they seem to think so
that’s why they’ve been trying to move livingston…though I agree with you of course I’m not impressed with augustin
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he'll prob be gone
by the end of the lottery
or, teams finally remembering that he's not that good
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well let him slip all the way to the knicks i bet pringles would cream in his pants.
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Jun 23, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm already at half mast
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apparently he had a knee problem. someone tweeted that. It might have been Spears.
But I think Charlotte is gonna take him at #9 now that they have #7 too.
If you switch Burks and Walker last NCAA season
(Burks to UConn, Walker to Colorado)
Burks would be the undisputed #1 pick in this draft. Kemba would be somewhere in the 20s
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Considering Kemba, basically on his own
won the big East and NCAA tourneys and Colorado…not so much, I’d say that’s a dead on assessment. If anyone owns some swampland and wants to sell, I’d sure you’re on their calling list.
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Kemba's the known commodity though. And in the draft that gets you more street cred.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
With the recent 3 way trade. I see this happening:
#7. CHA: Bismack Biyombo or Tristian Thompson
#8. DET: Tristian Thompson or Biyombo (whichever is left)
#9. CHA: Kemba Walker
#10. SAC: Jimmer Fredette
by hvino on Jun 23, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the Bobcats traded up for the purpose of getting Bismak
the Pistons wanted him, so that sort of reasons out.
The rest looks good, tho will the Bobcats role with Kemba and Augustin? Do teams ever learn (No)
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I know that's why I put Biyombo/Thompson at 7.
I think it’s Bismack, but HoopsReport says it’s T Thompson.
Either way, I think both are gone by the 9th pick.
Charlotte isnt passing up Kawhi Leonard.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
yea, he makes more sense then Kemba at #9
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I feel like Walsh isn't going to do anything big. Just a safe pick at 17.
Probably Markeiff or Vucevic.
Disappointing.
MARSHONNN
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I've read he's basically a LOCK to go to the Pacers at #15
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fml
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He gets buckets
And has a 7’2" wingspan. Freak of nature.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You're saying you wouldn't want someone of Kobe's ability?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
What I meant to say, if he really is the next Kobe, would you really want to pass him up?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
With this new trade
There are now three teams (Cavs, Bobs, Jazz) picking twice before us. I actually think this is good, because teams with two picks will get risky with one and someone interesting can fall to us.
But they all need centers and PGs
just like us. Cats are prob going Biyombo and Kemba. Jazz will go Knight and a big at 12. Cavs will go Kanter and Irving.
I say we take a shot at Norris Cole
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I don't think he gets past the Kings
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But that 'asset' is John Salmons
and his too-big contract. Strange trade for the Kings – but maybe they’re trying to piss off their fan base so they can move to anaheim…..
no need for Udrih and Fredette
might as well upgrade at whatever Salmons does, which it seems is play well for a new team
I heard they realyl want a shooter
that could be Jimmer of course, but also Klay
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http://twitpic.com/5fsits
maybe we can just draft this guy again?
Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston & 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons
Knicks to take Shumpert. Montiejunas 18, Brooks 19, Burks falls to #20.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz1Q8PqsEoD
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Shumpert?
Why not just buy a pick in the 2nd round? If he’s there, he’s a good value, otherwise he’s not so pass on him.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Then we don't get him
There’s so much parity in talent near the back of the 1st round/into the 2nd, I don’t see a need to reach for this guy.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather trust what the Knicks think about players they've seen in person
if they feel he’s worth #17, so be it. Not worried about fantasy mock land agreeing with where they picked someone.
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I'm just thinking a lottery talent will fall to us
Odds are it happens.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd just hate to pull another Balkman out of the hat
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No one even heard of Balkman that year
this year plenty of people would like to see Shumpert drafted at #17, or at least depending on the board.
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I mean reaching for a guy and overlooking decent talent, when that same guy could be had in the 2nd round for cash. Obviously, and hopefully, there will never be a draft selection quite like Balkman ever again.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
its just the whole "reach" and "could be had" stuff
I mean, there’s really no basis for that.
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I'd rather have Brooks than Shumpert
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I really like Sherbert
but not as much as Burks. Or even Jordan Hamilton
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makes no sense
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Plus there are a lot of decent PGs around...
I’d still rather go big with this pick… but would probably be ok wtih Burks or Iman assuming we could get a pick a little bit later too that would turn in a 1.
I don't think the idea is that Shumpert is a PG
more of an Azuibuke type of dude.
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What do you think of Brooks?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I like Brooks
I just don’t think the Knicks do
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Too much injury history with him
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
The guy hung around for a whole year, he at least is familiar with the system
He hurt his knee, they fucked up the surgery, he got it corrected. Signing Azubuike might turn out to be a brilliant move.
we could do that
but I wouldn’t expect him to play
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he got much, much better as the year went on
he has good form too. I’m sure the Knicks could make him into a decent shooter. Defense is his calling card tho
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For this coming year, I agree...
but if things worked out and he progressed well enough, he could def turn into our future pg. Maybe that would just be a bonus based on their current thinking. I fit didn’t work out that way, so be it and he still fits a role. And if it does… jackpot.
I seem to have a very difficult time saying Iman Shumpert
I’m automatically programmed to go with Preston Shumpert!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 23, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep thinking of Terry Shumpert from the Colorado Rockies and this dude I knew always calling him Terry Shum Pertplus
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
So how many guys took a perfectly good day of work
and chucked it to keep an eye on P&T and any little slice of dirt on Twitter? Man! I have no focus today….
Called it. If Parker gets traded, so will Jefferson
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
He's instantly an upgrade over Richard Jefferson.
They need someone who can defend and knock down 3s
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Its more that they don't want Jefferson and Parker
and also either want Klay Thompson or to stash Valaciunas overseas
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Knowing the Spurs they want to stash Valaciunas overseas
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I love how the Knicks are getting mad play
on every afternoon sports talk show
by total hermination on Jun 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
It looks like Bobcats won't take Biyombo, but Tristian Thompson.
But I still think Detroit takes Biyombo.
I'd probably take Thompson over Biyambo
Bumbles could still be taken by Toronto tho
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I'm hoping Kawhi doesn't get selected by Charlotte
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Why not?
Sounds like Biyombo is the 7… I’m still leaning Kemba with the 9 over Leonard. Leonard then goes 13.
I don't want Leonard to waste away in Charlotte. I'm an SDSU alum I want my guy to go a team that isn't completely crap.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
KBerg_CBS Ken Berger
Word among execs is the Bobcats have moved up to 7 to select Bismack Biyombo.
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
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Delonte took his talents to Gloria
I meant
I;m happy that it means the knicks cant pick him.
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
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Delonte took his talents to Gloria
MJ just hired Rich Cho f.k.a. the GM of the Trailblazers
I think this was his idea, which I think is a good one if you are blowing up your team and starting over
Another player whose intriguing is Scottie Hopson from Tennessee
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Dude is damn good athlete and can shoot 3s
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
DAMMIT SETH, THERE HASNT BEEN AN UPDATE SINCE 1:45!!!
say something, lie, I DONT CARE… i feel so neglected :’(
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Storm clouds just overtook where I'm at...just watch....
“And with the 17th pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select….” – Que Thunder and Lightning….
The Knicks select the entire Thunder roster! This solves our Center, SG, and PG problem, and also intorduces a 3-man scoring-only forward rotation.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be awesome
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
But they had to sell their soul to do it!
The trick is that they already sold it to get Melo! Ha, joke’s on you Lucifer!
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it does not solve our center problem
ibaka= power forward
perkins = crap
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although I could roll with collison
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I'd take them
Center would be our weakest position, but that puts us in the same boat as the rest of the NBA.
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Either Alec Burks, Klay Thompson, or Marshon Brooks is primed to fall to us
With the trades that have gone done. Bucks were thinking about all three guys, but they finally have a scorer in Jackson
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by King Henry the 2nd on Jun 23, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions
Time to work some magic, Donny!
No money, no one to trade and needs galore.
Do that voodoo that you do so well…
…hmm, we may need a 3-card monte dealer?
Is SBN screwing with my head, OJ confessed?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
to Oprah?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I'm getting restless
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
You would have loved baseball's draft when the 6th round started.
Each round lasted about 10 minutes. With 30 teams, that came out to about 20 seconds per pick. No commercial breaks.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Why do people think that Vucevic is slow?
I’m looking at ¾ court sprint times:
Dwight Howard 3.14 sec.
Enes Kanter 3.26 sec.
Nikola Vucevic 3.27 sec.
Blake Griffin 3.28 sec.
Brook Lopez 3.57 sec.
Is 3.27 sec. really so slow?
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It's not a sprint
It’s his moves, he looks like he’s going in slow motion.
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