With the 17th Pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks Select...Iman Shumpert!
by Seth on Jun 23, 2011 9:17 PM EDT
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The Knicks just drafted: Iman Shumpert, 6'6" PG/SG out of Georgia Tech
He looks: Not here!
They passed on: Chris Singleton and Marshon Brooks, to name a few.
I feel: Surprised, but kind of pleased, actually.
The crowd's reaction was: Violent.
More later!
Update: 11:14: Also Josh Harrellson from Kentucky. He's tall.
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I really like this pick and first
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 23, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
I like it. He'll learn how to shoot, and if he works hard he'll be able to guard any PG, SG, or SF.
If only there was a summer league…
I love this pick!
1) its not Faried!
2) he’s the SG version of Azuibuke!
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Azuibuke???
i wouldnt go that far, Buke can shoot
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
athletically, defensively, yes he is
and Buke couldn’t shoot for shit when he was drafted
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
correction
when he was undrafted
d-league stand up
by Rodger Sherman on Jun 23, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
He’s a defensive stopper, and although he’s not supposed to be a great shooter, he shot 21 for 25 in the Knicks three point shooting drill. Rumor has it that the Knicks wanted him to stop working out after he worked out for them. They got the man Donnie wanted, and I have complete faith in him.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Also, think of Trevor Ariza, Shane Battier, Jason Kidd, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant...
none of these guys were shooters, now they’re all pretty good. It’s a very learnable skill.
(Just guys off the top of my head, not to compare him to any of them)
(Although he is a tiny bit like Trevor Ariza)
more like
sprewell / westbrook type :-)
by Knicks Fan in OZ on Jun 24, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s just remember that we only remember the ones who figure it out.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
only Battier
the rest were worse
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I'd have to look at the stats for all of them,
but Wade is now shooting about three threes a games at 30%.
30.6%, you're right. I didn't look at the stats, that was just off the top of my dome. Even still, he's improved significantly.
Also, I think he’d be a better shooter if he played off the ball more.
I'm not so concerned about his shooting ability
because you’re right, that can be learned. I’m more concerned about his shot selection, and what that says about his basketball IQ. Apparently he attempted 5 3s per game even though he only hit 28%. That’s… not good. And unlearning those bad habits can be a lot harder than learning to shoot.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
You can't go off stats alone
Was he a) being selfish or b) trying to create whatever offense he could on a bad GT team?
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
it was b)
ther was no ther viable scoring option on that team. At all. Which is also why he led his team in assists, points, rebounds, steals…. i mean shit. They guy isnt jordan. But put him on a team where he doesnt have to jack up shots. He can be a very strong player. Im feeling good about shumpert
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I dont know how to feel about this pick....
but I think I like it
saw this dude play at northwestern last year
was underwhelmed. pretty much precisely the same impression i had from one game of toney douglas… so… take from that what you will.
Yeah, everything I've heard
is that he was an underachieving player on an underachieving team. Hooray?
Get that wallet out, Dolan
Time to buy a pick or two.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Jun 23, 2011 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
.......
he jus bought josh harrelson from da hornets for $1mil
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by FRESH DA FARI on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Amar'e's tweet:
Gr8 Pick. Welcome to the team Iman Shumpert. Can’t wait to get started to become a better Defensive team. Let’s go. #ChrisBrownVoice
Way to be STAT. Classy dude.
they share the same agent
That’s his guy.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
This agent runs the Knicks
Lets just put him gm already
by michael28102 on Jun 23, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Meanwhile Carmelo
Just gets pissed that we didn’t draft his boy Selby.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
well then
whos left for us to get. I can’t believe that we’ll go into the next season with this team. I can’t.
wtf?
Were people really expecting the Knicks to find some incredible diamonds in the rough in this draft? Were there people in this draft available at the 17 who were going to make over the Knicks? Come on and get real. This is draft is going to go down like the 2000 draft so I have no idea why people are getting so worked up. Just chill.
i actually like the pick (think he'll be a great defender
but preliminary nickname: IMAN THE TERRIBLE
by Rodger Sherman on Jun 23, 2011 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Took a Russian history class
Creation of the empire nation to the fall of Tsarism… It’s funny they can refer to anybody as terrible… Or great. Catherine was downright horrific, by any standards. Peter is the only one who can even be considered as mediocre in terms of leadership and at the very least equal treatment for all. He may have killed many, but the gentry weren’t excluded from his wrath… If anything they took the brunt of it while the serfs were able to maintain and somewhat thrive within their community as much as possible at the time.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If we were just gonna use our pick on Iman
why not just take Faried?
I read the Knicks measured him officially at only 6 foot 6.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
that's how you solve a team's size problem!
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Landry and Carmelo are excellent rebounders
so is Gerald Wallace for whoever he plays for. But 6"7 rebounders don’t solve your rebounding problems. They make up for your deficiencies in the frontcourt.
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it didn't, and it doesn't
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, what?
How does a stellar rebounder not help solve your rebounding problems? And what does it matter whether he’s 6’7" or 6’11"? The man can rebound. He’s going to rebound big time in the league. That’s a skill that translates directly from the college game to the NBA.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
That’s a skill that translates directly from the college game to the NBA.
…sometimes.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
Like when you’re playing on a team with guys over 6’4, and facing legit competition. Otherwise, why not go off his stats at a YMCA league.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Like his 18 rebounds against Florida?
His 12 rebounds against Ohio St? His 17 rebounds against Louisville? His 13 rebounds against Richmond? If you watch him play he is not rebound just because of the competition. I’ve posted this before, but if you look at this chart, Faried isn’t just a good rebounder. He is far, far ahead of everyone else.
its not who its against
its who’s on the team. He’s by far the tallest player on his team. That’s why he gets all the rebounds.
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Ok
How about his 7 offensive rebounds against Florida? His 5 offensive rebounds against Ohio St? His 5 offensive rebounds against Louisville? His 7 offensive rebounds against Richmond?
again, only one on his team capable of rebounding against
players taller then a SG.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 25, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Also you said "and facing legit competition"
and now right below that you say “its not who its against”
you missed the point on that one
meaning its who’s on his team that’s why he gets so many rebounds. the PF is 6"4 for chrissakes.
the competition has nothing to do with what I said.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
So you were just repeating yourself?
“Like when you’re playing on a team with guys over 6’4, and facing legit competition”
by EtSuKe on Jun 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno where I said that, in fact I didn't
seems you’re repeating yourself and saying I said it. Which is why I don’t care about this anymore.
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we had rebounders, didn't help
Charlotte had rebounders, it didn’t help. You need your big people to rebound.
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Measuring tape to the rescue
What would we do without it?
Oh, right, we’d probably have messed up and drafted Faried…
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I am disgusted with this pick.
He is another TD, perimeter shooter that plays D. My bias wanted Singleton but i would have settled for Faried. Seriously awful decision making in my opinion.
FIRE WALSH!!!!!
Oh wait…
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
uhhh
except he’s a terrible shooter and above-average defender.
by Rodger Sherman on Jun 23, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying, this pick was wasted, That dude could have been picked up later on.
Big man was the need, unless a kemba fell
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the best big vuvecic available to our pick was gone before us... so i don't see this as a negative
we need help at the sg and pg spots and iman is a good fit in that need
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Picking big men in guard-heavy drafts is a great strategy!
See: Jordan Hill over Jrue Holiday and Darren Collison
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
thats 6 over 11 or 12 not 17 over 22. guarentee singleton or faried is better
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Guarantee they're not!
Shumpert is more of a positional need pick than Singleton or even Faried, you’re just a homer :p
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The Singleton stuff, no one can trust a fan of the team's opinion on.
And Faried is the same size as Shumpert but plays Center. That’s a horrible fit.
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who cares?
we have them. He can’t play offense, so I doubt he can handle it
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whos minutes does he take? he is the SAME player as TD.
i fully admit i was biased for singleton but him or faried was better, i really dont see the argument.
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He is 6'5 and can guard 1 through 3. TD is 6'3 (maybe) and can guard 1's and 2's
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 23, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
and whose minutes does Singleton take? Carmelos?
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 23, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
fields', shawne williams, billy walker.
Boy could defend wing players.
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
TD is 6"2
Shumpert is 6"5.
Plus, two great on the ball defenders is probably something the Knicks could use drastically
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Bottom line is I do not think a PG was the way to go unless it was a homerun.
I do not see this as a homerun. in my opinion
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I just can’t see how the pick is destroyed, yet…who they’d pick over him isn’t any better.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not just a PG
he’s a PG, a SG and a SF. On a team that likes to play a short rotation, versatile defensive minded players are great.
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Singleton could do all those things at a better capacity.
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If you'd applied to Georgia Tech, how much of this discussion would still be taking place?
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by The Rooster on Jun 23, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton can't even dribble
he’d never be a PG.
Really, I can’t see why Singleton vs. Shumpert is a problem. I could make a case for either. Walsh felt that the Perimeter defender was more of a need and I can’t disagree.
Shumpert was their boy and they gave him a promise after he worked out for them.
I’d trust that judgement over an FSU homer
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm an FSU fan also.
Singleton was never an incredibly efficient scorer and he is definitely not a better PG/SG than Iman like you just said
What Homerun?
Was there anyone in the draft after the top 10 who is a homerun? I must have missed him.
obviously hope it works out and im wrong,
we’ll see though.
by Longislandnole on Jun 23, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhh, just realized you're a FSU fan. Shit, man, you must be bummed. I feel bad now.
Iman will be good, though, I’m confident.
hmmm... if we bought a pick and got julyan stone man... imagine our pg and sg would be 6'6 and above...
that’d be awesome man….
Victory goes to the courageous!!
in the other thread I said
“4. DX – Burks! No hesitation. Realistically, I think I’d roll the dice with Shumpert.”
so, yay!
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
Yeah but you picked two guys.
Disqualified!
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said I'd make a good GM!
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
"With the 17th pick in the NBA draft, The Rooster selects...
“A guy that’s already been drafted, a huge reach, and the 2nd round picks of three other teams!”
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Knicks fans would boo
A firefighter saving a little girl and some kittens.
"We knew it could get out of hand..." Dick Jauron following 56-10 loss to New England.
she was wearing a LeBron jersey.
whats fair is fair lol
by Fabfreebird on Jun 23, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
not the kitties!!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
“Yeah but he had to use a ladder, I was hoping for a guy with a better standing reach.”
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he sounds like a high risk- high reward type of prospect
the tools and defensive skills are there, but the shooting and passing skills need plenty of work
Carmelo backtracks
“My man, Iman. Looking forward to working with you. Hopefully I can teach you.” Sounds like he took some shit for that “goodnight” comment after the Knicks took Shumpert instead of Selby.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Does Stern announce when a pick is bought or no?
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 23, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
No
you gotta get that from the reporters.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
oh that sucks
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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 23, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Celtics draft Brooks
But they’re reporting he’s headed to the Nets.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Prokhorov and King are the Flighty Zeus
copying our ideas every damn time
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 23, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to emulate one of the most profitable losing franchises as all time, if you want to be a profitable losing franchise…
Celts get Net's number one and a number two
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
lol
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I was kind of hoping they'd draft Faried
he’d be a nice heir apparent to the Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker.
Shumpert makes a lot more sense though
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still possible
According to Hahn Donnie is projecting Shumpert will play the 2 guard. So there’s still a possibility to buy another pick and draft a pg.
I think we're the only team in the league who isn't making any trades
boooring. I like the Shumpert pick though.
Norris Coles is headed to the Heat
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
here have a frilly snack
Victory goes to the courageous!!
hmmmmmmm
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If we wanted d
why not take singleton? he’s the best defender and can spell both stat and Melo.
because we got d and backcourt depth.
spelling amare and melo wasnt that high of a need. those guys getting high 30 mins/game
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
He could have played in between Stat and Melo
and helped with their defensive deficiencies.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
yea but imo
thats going to limit his minutes. regardless how we look at it. If you have melo and stat, and u play both those positions. Your not getting burn when the game is on the line.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
yo pussies
we need to but one of the heats 4 picks left and draft jerkins… bitches
fuck them before they can fuck you
wow. Portland wins in that deal!!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Selby and Tyler
if we can buy 2 picks thats the route
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yea i was jus discussing it wit my moms
thinking the knicks can still buy him from charlotte but MJ might not want to deal with us because we’re the KNICKS… but it would be wise if he did, hes cash strapped right now and rich cho mite want him to sell the pick
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
John Starks?
He was able to figure out the long range shot, is this a good comparison otherwise?
by superturboultra on Jun 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
So how long until we buy a pick??
Or is everyon who is on our radar already gone? what a bout goudlock? Or does mgm like TD and rautins more?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I think we may be done for the night, folks.
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THANKS MIKE
i knew Mike wasnt going to deal with us… i still buy his sneakers tho
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hmm. From Alan Hahn's twitter
Shumpert caught Walsh’s eye at Chicago combine when he shut down Jimmer Fredette in one-on-one coverage.
Donnie Walsh obviously very high on Shumpert. Says he can be a rotation player right now. Decision to pass on Singleton bc of need at 2G.
As for knock on Shumpert’s shooting, Walsh says he shot well at Knicks workout. “His shot’s not broken.”
Plan is that Shumpert can defend 2’s next to Chauncey and then Chauncey can play 2 on offense and Shumpert can play pick-n-roll.
I can dig it.
plus,at the end of the day. We still have toney douglas. And thats a win in itself!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
the scouting reports say that
his shooting mechanics are good, but he takes a lot of bad shots.
by secret defense on Jun 23, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah plus we have shooting guru Phil Webber to hopefully sort that out
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do we still have interest in Josh Selby?
to make Melo happy? to actually give him a shot? trade bait perhaps??
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
not sure what trade bait he would be. hes been passed on 44 times
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
a fill in with "potential"
he’d be that guard to give away
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
selby is what tdd
sg in a pg body
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
selby still isnt drafted.
he must have not did too well in workouts afterall
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
not happening..unless we want the center they got
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'm good at reading between the lines.
Ken Berger twatted something that insinuated a rich team will buy a pick from a poor team… But Josh Harrelson???
JOSH HARRELSON!!
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by #MoreAboutNothing on Jun 23, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Somewhere Chris Dudley is giggling
except instead of getting broken noses, Josh will be delivering them
I remember watching him in the tourney
he played pretty well. He’s got good size
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by bluecheese999 on Jun 23, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i jumped halfway off the couch til i heard Harrelson
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mentioned him in my first draft thread
I said in the 2nd round he would be a great pickup
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
decent offensive rebounder if i remember correctly
played much better in tourney than in reg season. dude is mad ugly tho
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
he was good against UCONN if I recall correctly
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Starting center for a Final Four team?
Come on dude, did you not watch March Madness?
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
he was expected to be the face of the franchise, so yea, he did
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I really dont see why we didnt try to get goudlock
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
two words
Andy Rautins
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by bluecheese999 on Jun 23, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking for Harrelson highlights. that's the only thing I found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg9QEtvxdq4
Are you all as excited as I am?
by Nilov on Jun 23, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Seth, are you cheering on Adam Silver
like the crowd behind you?
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
for free? why thank you.
*wipes ass with 1million
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
got any PGs you don't want ?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
sold!
you can have Humpty
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Harrelson is a great Rebounder
He is a man down low. Very tough guy very tough
The greatest player ever!!!
hopefully
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldve like to gone after Benson
Josh Harrelson jus seems like another undersized center
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Harrellson's bigger then Benson
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
horizontally yea
but doesnt he measure wit shoes at 6’10", like Turiaf?? let me know if im wrong
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's 6"9.5, Benson's 6"11
but Benson’s 220lbs. Harrelson’s 275lbs
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
what does that mean tho lol
theres no rule of thumb that says to be a good rebounder you must be 6’10"+
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
no but i wouldve like a bit more vertical inclined players
im afraid of him becoming a dare i say…Mike Sweetney
by blackhova on Jun 23, 2011 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rebounding was never about hops anyways
Victory goes to the courageous!!
except sweetney was a top 10 pick
harrelson was picked 45
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Also Sweets was a good rebounder
Although, like Faried, he was on a short team.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Benson might've been disappointing outside his size..
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Hawks take Keith Benson with the 48th pick. Tall, athletic but Charmin soft.
he'll probably never play a minute
but he’s got a large ass. The Knicks need a player with a large ass, aside from Carmela
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao true story
The greatest player ever!!!
by terellchewy on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Not watching the draft what’s the deal with Harrelson
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by Major on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he had Jorts on when he was recruited
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
harellson
hes the scalabrine we need lol. hustles, doesnt back down. can hit the open midrange set shot. and should be able to rebound when given the situation. Ill take that for a crapshoot 2nd rd pick
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I felt that his brother Woody was the better prospect
Him and Wesley Snipes were impressive in workouts
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by The Rooster on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why..if hes going undrafted..then hey. let em go
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
No more Cuse scrubs plz
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by The Rooster on Jun 23, 2011 11:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
QUICK analysis
On the offensive end, Coach John Calipari has creatively found ways to take advantage of Harrellson by using him in ball-screen actions and dribble handoffs to free his teammates for shots. He’s comfortable catching the ball on the perimeter and shows good decision making skills, as evidenced by the fact that he has as many assists as turnovers this season, which is rare for a big man and ranks him 4th amongst all centers in our database in assist-to-turnover ratio.
Harrellson will never be a player who will get many post-up opportunities (only 7% of his possessions this season have been in the post) or really have any plays called for him, but he’s been very efficient with his touches, scoring over 1.1 points per possession on the season, and shooting an impressive 61% from the field. He also shows great activity and effort on the offensive glass, grabbing 5.2 offensive rebounds per forty minutes pace adjusted (3rd highest of all centers in our database), and utilizing both hands to finish around the rim on put-backs
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Harrellson scouting from a fan of the player/pick
Hey guys, it’s been a while. I figured I’d weigh in here and give you a bit of background on Harrellson, who I bet I saw about 20 times this year. I really think he’s a great fit for this team. He’s an animal on the glass, the O glass most of all, not a great finisher, but doesn’t finish automatically either, he will reset the ball. He’s able to operate up top in a high pick offense or a high handoff offense much like Turiaf did, with better passing in my own opinion, and he even has the occasional NBA 3 pointer range, not his best shot, but he’s ok at it. He sets great screens. He will require zero offensive touches, but he can score, Sullinger couldn’t handle him in the Sweet 16, he won Kentucky that game.
And he’s a pretty good defender, not great, but he knows how to get his body in the way and play with bigs. And he showed some talent in transaction. I really think this pick will work out, he won’t be a star, but he gives us things we lack and doesn’t take away from our talent. I’m optimistic we all will be happy with him as the season goes on, he got so much better week after week this season, finding his game, I think he can get a little burn for us right away and hopefully grow into a rotation down low for us as the season goes on.
Remember, he was on a team that played with 3 guys who will probably be top 20 picks when they get drafted, he knows how to be a role player on a team with NBA talent, that is a rare commodity from a college kid. I give the draft right now a B/B+, here’s hoping that next season is great!
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 23, 2011 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the insight!
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 23, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Anytime!
Just happy to actually know something worth sharing!
I think most people would have been surprised if they watched UK’s season to see how much Harrellson helped Knight get his points. As the season went on, they really had him setting on ball screens a lot, and trusting him as a tall outlet to reset if initial penetration failed and he can follow penetration well on the O glass. He’s heady. I think he helps great players be great, which is a nice player to have.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like a beefier Turiaf, perhaps?
At any rate, picking up somebody with his size at 45 is nice. I’d be uncomfortable going into the season with Jordan and Turiaf being the only guys to spell whomever ends up at the starting 5.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
In many ways, very similar to Turaif
Doesn’t turn it over, makes good passes. Probably not as good at help D as Turiaf right now, it’s not something UK really did much of last year. But I think Harrellson will rebound better, which has to help.
I agree I was uncomfortable with our size before today, too. I honestly wanted the Knicks to get Jorts in this draft, I’m very happy we did. I’m not a UK fan actually, but I tend to watch them play a lot since they became an NBA factory (plus i am a Memphis fan so watching Coach Cal comes natural). He impressed me.
I think it’s likely we notice little difference between the two this year, and maybe Harrellson can be a slightly better fit if we get the best case out of him.
Of course all that will really matter in the end is if he can control the paint well enough to help us win playoff games, which is the hardest thing to predict out of a college big man defender, but right now, I think the pick makes good sense.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
This I am fully happy with.
Hopefully help D is something he can get acquainted to, but I wouldn’t expect it to magically develop after training camp or anything. It’ll be a process, but fuck, he’s a rookie. That’s the game.
Any info on his injury history? Hopefully he doesn’t take after Uncle Ronny in that respect, too.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not very injury prone
He’s built country strong, like a basketball Adam Dunn, hard to injure a guy like that. Don’t think he missed a game or even part of a game due to injury last year, which is really the only year he played non-scrub minutes.
Had a lot of conditioning problems early in his career that made him a scrub-time guy, but he got worked like a mule last offseason when he got serious about playing and did ok/good with conditioning this season. UK was SO bad at backup center, he was forced into big minutes due to lack of options (they went 6-7 deep a lot of games).
Given the NBA and our system, he may not need to be able to go more then 20-24 minutes a game unless he keeps working on that conditioning. But I’m more worried about his stamina then his health, he won’t be as brittle a Turiaf, I am very confident.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your analysis is right on
Now, I’m not sure that he’ll be able to handler bigger bigs defensively. But he plays hard. If he gets into slightly better shape, I think he will eventually learn to handle them at least somewhat.
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we need defense
i say we trade for Metta World Peace
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
metta world peace's best defending days are behind him
and he has a garbage contract
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i just wanted to get in a line about metta world peace
i dont actually want him
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
A shooting guard!!!!
What I’ve been wanting all along. And one that can play D too. This was definitely Donnie’s swan song.
Now Landry can go to the bench and become 6th man of the year for as long as the Melo / Amare years last.
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
umm i dont think hes going to start
i do believe Landry Fields is safe at the starting 2, and Shumpy will come off the bench wit TD and not allow a single point
by blackhova on Jun 24, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I must say we screwed this up
Should have traded down if we really wanted shumpert
or
Singleton and then bought morris in the 2nd round
yeeeah baby!! i was there and looooved that crowed reaction and dissapointment!!! WE did pretty solid in tha drift! u suk! go nets! u pass on nolan smith 4 a nonamer!!!
His name is Joshua Harrellson
You’ll want to pass that on to Loopy Lopez when while he gets his nose pushed back in place
what did they yell back? 12 wins?
b/c they are both irrelevant at this point lol
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Jun 24, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, generally we look to draft good players as opposed to Nolan Smith
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I really think this might have been a major reach. I'm not necessarily mad b/c I like his potential and ability to defend but it's not my top choice.
I wanted Moteijunas the whole time and I really think we could’ve gotten Motiejunas along with Flynn for Douglas and Cash.
I think Shump was kind of a safe pick. But I really wanted Walsh to do something crazy. But about 2 hours before the draft I said I think Walsh will be going with a safe pick. I was right. But I was thinking more of Markeiff.
If he's like Amar'e than he's a major steal at 20 (which I think he is)
I’m really disappointed we couldn’t work out a deal to get a third pick and get somebody else.
i've said it before and i'd say it again i do hope we work out julyan stone again
him and shumpert makes for a great backcourt
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Others to look at,:
Gilbert Brown and Gary McGhee of Pitt, Scotty Hopson of Tenn, Malcolm Thomas SD St, Greg Smith and Matthew Bryan-Amaning, Diante Garrett….
yep but that stone and shumpert backcourt.... it's epicly tall
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I'd take a look at Greg Smith
Could be a decent backup PF/C.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
I'm not blown away but I'll do what I usually do let at least 20 games pass before passing judgement
I really wanted Vuce but since he was gone I can’t complain. We needed interior and perimeter defense and hopefully took steps towards addressing that.
David Khan fucked this up for us
He told everyone that he’s gonna pick Kanter at 2, and then picked fucking Derrick Williams when he already has Derrick Williams on his roster in a guy named Michael Beasley. If he picked Kanter, everyone wouldve slid and we probably wouldve ended up with a solid big. honestly, I was pissed when they took Shumpert, but he was the best guy available. Most mocks had either Vuvecic, Markieff, or a guy like Burks/ Kemba available. None were and while JaJuan Johnson might end up better, this guy fills a need I guess. I wish we couldve bought Selby or Jenkins or something though.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 12:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No1 actually believed Kanter was going 2.
What screwed us over was Kanter going 3 (instead of Knight), Cleveland selecting Thompson and Charlotte getting #7. With Kanter at 3, it meant that Utah was guaranteed to go guard at 12. Cleveland taking Thompson meant that either Charlotte or Detroit would most likely take Biyombo. And the biggest changer was Charlotte getting #7 and Milwaukee trading down. That took another big off the board for each team after because Sac and Milwaukee would’ve both gone guard, leaving one of Markeiff or Vucevic for us.
But too late now. It’s done and nothing can be done about it. Just to be happy with Shumpert and Harrellson.
We were too far down in the draft for any of that to matter
When the Knicks went, the guys who were supposed to be gone, were gone. Doesn’t matter who took them or in what order
hmmm
Really really was hoping for Faried. Why make Fields untouchable in The Trade if this is where they felt the greatest need was? I predict I’ll have talked myself into Shumpert by the time I wake up tomorrow though. Would LOVE to eventually be proven wrong with my feelings on this pick right now….
by shadrach_minkins on Jun 24, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
he plays defense...
remember ray allen? that’s why this guy is a good fit. not the sexiest pick in the world but we need someone who can defend the perimeter
by oldskoolewings on Jun 24, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone is hyping his athletic ability as well and supposedly has good shooting mechanics
This is a plus, and if there’s a coach who can put those 2 assets together, it’s MDA. He does have the potential to become an explosive scorer – albeit streaky at the outset, but at least we won’t be looking for it and will be pleasantly surprised when it happens. I’ll look at the bright side cuz I’ve never seen him play, and he already fills a role which is pretty much all we could’ve asked of this draft. Joshua Harrellson got a B! on CBS Sportsline. So yeah, neither pick was sexy, but we already got flashy scorers
Ok ok
I can see the case for Shumpert athletically. But does this make TD redundant? I don’t get Walsh’s comment that a rebounder like Faried is just a “luxury”. Felt like rebounding (especially offensive) was just as big a need as defense, if not bigger, and it’s not like Faried was a total slouch in that regard either. Though maybe he’d have trouble with the types of players he’d have to cover, whereas I don’t see that being an issue with Shumpert. Alright I think I’m halfway towards talking myself into Shumpert, but seriously, does TD get moved now for a pg?
by shadrach_minkins on Jun 24, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not neccessary
First off Iman is not going to just slide into the NBA. He’s got way more holes in his game than TD. Secondly, the Knicks are not so deep that they can really afford to be selling low on dwtdd.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Honeslty, it was Fields contract that made him untouchable
It’s very small and he’s not coming due for a big ass raise at the same time CP3 and the like expire. If the plan is to get a 3rd max player, which it seems to be, then Fields was the one we had to keep for cap considerations.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
man Reggie Jackson looks impressinve athletically and could shoot the ball
7 ft wingspan, maybe we shoulda drafted him……
shumpert is more impressive athletically
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
well, now we'll have someone to guard Dwyane Wade in the Eastern Conference Finals
/delusions
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you're actually right
we need to build a team with the goal of beating miami/boston… and ray allen/wade are two guys that have to be stopped
by oldskoolewings on Jun 24, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Boston is old
they embarrassed us this year but I don’t worry about them for the future
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if
we start shumpert and fields we have tallest backcourt in d league. thats a mismatch that dantoni is going to exploit alot. i hear shumpert is really good at pnr i hope he can develop that at a highlevel to be an impact player for the knicks.
that's what a julyan stone is for. dude is a 6-7 PURE POINT
Victory goes to the courageous!!
A little disappointed I guess.
For a team that has a few holes and needs value, it seems like we reached on both picks we ended up with. Shumpert was projected to go anywhere higher than 17 in any mock I saw… and Harrellson was not really projected to get drafted (I know the second round is a crapshoot though). I know we didn’t draft him… but still, 45 seems like higher than he was expected to go.
I know both fill a need for us… but I’d much rather end up with guys who were expected to go higher in the draft and we got at a “bargain” rather than the other way around.
Nothing against both guys and they may work out fine… just feel meh about it.
Edit
Shumpert WASN’T projected to go anywhere higher than 17….. that lil mistake kinda changes my whole meaning there. lol
Shumpert was rumored to be liked by the Suns at 13 in the last few days
For what it’s worth. I was against him at first, but after the Harrellson pick, I see the idea behind both. I think it’s a draft with a vision. If you want to cheer up about Shumpert, go look up his epic NBA combine stats. That helped me some hehehe.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
also just cuz mock drafts didn't have him higher then 17, doesn't mean he's not worth it
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Mock drafts are stupid though
The only other player I’d have wanted at #17 was Selby and he fell to #49 and might have a long-term injury issue, plus Shumpert is taller. It’s all up to whether Weber can teach him to shoot or not.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
For any advance stat guys:
Harrellson was 13th in the NCAA last year in win shares per 40 minutes of all players who played 20 minutes a game (14.3). He achieved that with the 9th lowest usage rate of all players who played 20 minutes a game (9.2%). If you like the advanced stats, it shows he can do what it takes to get W’s without using up many shots, which I happen to think is going to be key from our complimentary players.
For those curious, the list of players with similarly low usage rates last year is oddly very heavy with top NCAA teams, so it’s not just a factor of Harrellson being one of just a few guys who played such a small offensive role on a big time winning team. And of course the win shares stat includes players from teams who had equal or better seasons then UK did.
It’s by no means justification in and of itself that he’s a good pick, but hopefully another reason for optimism he can pan out into a good role player for us and help us win a few games.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Draft Express
Over in stats, then change the first drop down to usage stats.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 2:35 AM EDT reply actions
A reply to Joamiq
Was the intent of this post. The sad, failed intent.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bummed all over again
Checked those draftexpress stats… Faried was #1 by a healthy margin in win share / 40. Also checked PER rankings (now again, not saying he’s THAT good but…..)
- - Kyrie Irving (32.5)
- - Derrick Williams (32.5)
- - Kenneth Faried (34.7)
by shadrach_minkins on Jun 24, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
ack
that should be Kyrie #3, Derrick #2, Kenneth #1
by shadrach_minkins on Jun 24, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
well faried should have been drafted top 10 then huh? :)
nah but in reality. OUr needs were (and in this order)
1. Center (overall / defensive)
2. Guard depth (defensive)
3. melo/amare depth
faried would have been nice, but he just wouldnt have gotten a lot of burn. Plain and simple. Vucevic was out, so we went with our nexxt best move. Shumpert impressed in one on one workouts when he shut down freddette. and blew everyone out in athletic combine testing. Not to mention he lead his team in all important categories. Did he force shots, hell yea, and that was his only weakness. On our team, he wont have to force shots. Only his strongest attributes will be needed. Rebounding, defense, open shot, fast break. 40+ in VERTICAL. imagine what it is running on a fast break!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
This will probably display how much of a Faried fan I was....
but I think he IS one of the 10 best in this draft (especially this draft), easily. Even though Fields is a GREAT rebounder for his position I would rank rebounding right up there with size and defense as needs for the team. Knicks are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, but I just don’t see that brought up as much as the defense, which just looks worse than it is because of the pace they play at (more shots means more points for our team and theirs). Statistically Faried is the best prospect in the draft, but even if you discount the stats, look at how far he was able to take that Morehead State team. I thought he filled a need and was easily the best player available at that spot. I get nervous when a pick starts to get justified on workouts and not what they did on the court, but I think D’antoni may be right that the criticism on Shumpert’s shooting is over-blown. His form doesn’t look bad, and he had to take a ton of bad shots on that GT team. Compare his FT% to Rondo coming out of college (another athletic guard who’s primary concern was his shooting ability). Shumpert was over 80% while Rondo was under 60%. I’m beginning to think Shumpert can be a very good shooting guard.
by shadrach_minkins on Jun 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the picks or hate the picks, as it stands now our center line is Ronny Turiaf, Jerome Jordan, and Josh Harrellson.
A pretty likeable line if you ask me. The bearded French guy who sounds kind of Jamaican and makes hilarious faces, the extremely lanky guy who sounds Jamaican is actually Jamaican, and the pot-bellied Missourian who wears jean shorts. I mean, come on.
true. lol
But two of em have fire. So the crowd will llike them. And we still have free agency (whenever the agreement happens) to go after a more experianced center.
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