P&T Does the Draft, Knicks Pick Iman Shumpert and Josh Harrellson
by Seth on Jun 24, 2011 2:17 AM EDT
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PrintHey y'all. After getting lost in Newark for a little while, finally finding my way home, and sharing some cookies and a taped episode of "Louie" with Mike Levin, I'm ready to talk about the draft that just happened. First of all a few notes about the draft experience:
- The Prudential Center is a significantly better venue than the WaMu theater at MSG. Yes, I said it. It's arranged better, the food is better, the internet connection is better, and there's more space and closer bathrooms. I imagine if you were one of the people that got stranded on NJ Transit, you might disagree, but my night went swimmingly (until I tried to leave Newark, which is like escaping a Venus flytrap).
- The eatings: Some chicken fajita-type joints, Spanish rice, corn, and plenty of soda and water for the media. Not bad at all.
- The crowd was a little less involved than usual. They booed most heartily whenever LeBron James highlights appeared on the jumbotron and cheered most gleefully whenever a local-ish guy got drafted. The pick of Iman Shumpert was met with much despair.
On that note, let's talk about the picks. The Knicks drafted Iman Shumpert with the 17th pick, then bought the 45th pick from the Hornets and took Josh Harrellson. Jump for more!
On Iman Shumpert:
- I like what I've heard and seen regarding Shumpert. The flaws are clear-cut: Right now, he's neither a great shooter (though perhaps not as bad as his college percentages would tell you) nor a great passer, and thus isn't so much a combo guard as he is a...non-bo guard? I don't know. All that said, he's huge for a backcourt player, has absolutely obscene raw athletic skills, and loves to play defense. All good things.
- DX listed his best case as a bigger Kyle Lowry (nice!) and his worst case as Keyon Dooling (not as nice!). That Basketball Prospectus math thing found him most similar to Ronnie Brewer. Intriguing.
- From Chris Sheridan's post-draft article, here's Donnie Walsh:
"He shot the ball extremely well. His shot's not broke. Some guys you see, and you can tell right away they can't shoot and they're going to have to learn form. He has good form, he was hitting shots, he can defend very well. Very well. And he's got tremendously long arms, so I really liked him a lot," Walsh said.
"As the draft went on, because there [were] other guys that could have fallen to us, and I was like 'Whoa, if he falls down, we're going to have to take him.' And they got taken right before us, and we ended up doing what we did, and I was happy with that," Walsh said. "At some point you look and there was three teams to pick, and you had four players there, so you know we were going to do all right."
- Regarding Walsh's "not broke" comment, bear in mind that the Knicks have Phil Weber, who's as good as anybody at improving somebody's jumper. From what I've seen, Shumpert's form really isn't bad. He just had super reckless shot selection in college.
- From Alan Hahn's piece, Walsh again, this time explaining why he chose Shumpert and not Chris Singleton:
"The fact is, we're going to have more room at the point guard position and two guard position than we're going to have with the guys we have and three and four," Walsh said. "And I know people can say [Singleton] can play the two, but that would be very difficult for a guy his size. Get around screens and stuff like that, but I liked him too."
- Here's Iman's Twitter. Here's his Facebook. CRUCIAL INFO: Iman's activities include "Eating tacos" and "Rappin".
- If I'd never seen him before, I'd probably guess he was Jewish based on his name, so there's that. He sounds like a delicious Kosher pastry, or perhaps an Eastern European cousin of the flugelhorn.
- Shumpert turns 21 on Sunday! Hey, alright!
Let's give Iman Shumpert a chance. He fills one or two needs, defends, and can't be that bad if he likes eating tacos.
On Josh Harrellson:
- I'd be lying if I said I'd heard of this guy before tonight, but that puts me in the minority. He's apparently known for stepping in ably when DeMarcus Cousins et al. left the Kentucky frontcourt and even better known for wearing jorts to a recruiting visit. They call him "Jorts". You had me at "Jorts". Jorts.
- Other than that? Well, he's gigantic, rebounded very well as a senior, and I've heard he rolls off a screen pretty nicely. How he'll manage as a defender and finisher remains to be seen, but he seems like a decent candidate to make the Knicks as a center. Not a bad addition at all!
- Here's Josh's Twitter. As you can see, he embraces the "Jorts" thing, which is great. What a peach.
- Two R's, two L's, y'all.
And there you have it! We've two new Knicks to enjoy. Both are likable, capable players, and both seem to fit, more or less. We'll begin learning more about these folks tomorrow. For now, I can understand if you're not totally thrilled. The biggest names, some of whom appeared to be dropping, didn't make it to the 17th pick, and that sorta deflated the evening. Doesn't matter. Let's get to know these guys and learn to love them the same way we do everybody else. Hopefully, we'll get to see them play sooner rather than later.
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I like Donnie's rationale for picking Shumpert over Singleton
It sounds like he had to be a one man gang at Georgia Tech which won’t be the case here. I think he will fit right in. I’m good with both of these picks. I wish Dolan would have bought us a few more second rounders.P&T favoritge Selby lasted for a long time before Kahn snatched him.
Yeah, I agree.
The way Donnie says it, Singleton and Shumpert are both great defensive players with developing offensive games, only Shumpert can play guard.
Hard to argue with Donnie's point
And also pretty nice that the Knicks are at the point where we are drafting for need around a playoff team, not drafting around a couple highly paid players that don’t work at all with each other. A subtle sign of progress!
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Jun 24, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
also we werent drafting trade bait
im an fsu fan and i didn’t want singleton…he is talented but his game is frustrating to watch.
fsu fan huh??
i wouldnt have minded singleton but thats probably my fsu bias. but after reading walsh’s reasoning i’ll trust him..
If only we could clone Al Thorton's offensive skills
and Singleton’s defensive traits…and then toss in TD’s swag
Did you guys see Norris Cole??
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
this is why
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude looks like a steal to me
Bummed Miami got him
Most def.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
"also we weren't drafting trade bait"
Not so sure about that. Chris Paul at the deadline?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
if you want that, we are gonna need a lot more than a #17 pick.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
gonna need more then what we have
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
unless Denver didn't say "no backsies"
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
shit
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No way we were finding a starting center with either pick
and we have a starting PG. So project players seems the way to go. I like it. Its sort of a Jerry Reese philosophy.
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Selby went to Memphis
Chad Ford said there were medical concerns surrounding him, too. I agree btw, definitely like Shumpert over Singleton for these Knicks.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
Sort of like Fields
Fields had to run the show at Stanford, and didn’t impress anyone doing it. But put him off the ball and let him do more intangible things, and suddenly he’s a top 5 rookie. I think they’re hoping for something similar with Iman
yeah, my mistake
I misread the Memphis logo on the Yahoo draft thread. They shouldn’t make these logos look so similar, damn logo designers.
half the teams in the NBA look identical now
uniform/logo designs are so fucking dull
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
I'm ashamed to say in short clips and highlights
I sometimes confused our own Knicks with OKC
when reading some reactions
I like how the idea is that Singleton plays defense, so he should’ve been the pick. No regards to what position he plays or that Shumpert’s just as good defensively.
Who would Singleton have guarded if he’s here? He’d have to guard 4’s, but that leaves Aamr’e to guard 5’s. Yea…that works.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton, I thought.
Although there were heavy Newark (duh) and Long Island contingents, so either Faried or Jenkins would have gotten huge cheers.
Michael Jordan
Shaq would have sufficed
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by knickswin on Jun 24, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to go ahead and trust they made the right move.
Because all I know is what I read in mock drafts by people who don’t have front office jobs. I will say this guy looks like he could beat the shit out of me if we ever fought (unlike the other draftees).
After some time to think about it
Can’t fault Donnie/(whoever else was drafting) for this one. If not Shumpert, who else? Maybe Singleton or Monty or something but neither filled a need. I would’ve loved to draft Darius Morris with a 2nd rounder but I guess those Dolan Dollars could only afford Harrellson. If the guy will ever play, he looks like an amazing enforcer, and that is something the Knicks haven’t had in quite a while.
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 3:05 AM EDT reply actions
Monty would've been intriguing, but hard to take that risk
and select a player who can’t play in a lineup with Melo and Amare.
if you’re rolling dice, you might as well do it on a guy who fits a positional need (defensive combo guard who can guard SGs)
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
Also 2k12 will be awesome
Shumpert is a crazy athlete, and lineups where the PG can dunk are just ridiculously fun
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 3:07 AM EDT reply actions
Looking back it kiinda sucks when you see....
Walsh could have taken singleton and then bought darius morris
Shumpert can guard SGs in the NBA. Morris can't.
semi-related, this post is the top result if you search for “Iman Shumpert” in Google.
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This guy has been on Darius Morris’ nuts all morning. I do want his FO source that tells him that buying this pick was even possible
I very much doubt it
Lakers valued Morris highly and were thrilled he was there when they picked, is what I’ve heard.
Looking back
Singleton doesn’t make any sense to pick, and then you realize he probably could not have bought a pick to get Morris. Also Morris is redundant after getting Shumpert.
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Also...
There are a lot of unhappy veterans out there. Stuckey, Augustin, JJ Hickson, Baron Davis, Al Jefferson, Michael Beasley, Spencer Hawes; all of those guys should be available. Any interest in any of them?
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 3:19 AM EDT reply actions
huge hickson fan...
he’d be a great sidekick for amare (especially because he made amare look foolish when he played us). strong enough to guard most 5’s. evolving offense. good, hungry rebounder.
by bucketsncents on Jun 24, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
please confirm...
… that you mean you loved Baron David… back when was in shape in ’98 when we was playing for Golden State. Because since then he has been a shadow of his former self and not worth our time at all.
Augustin, Hickson, Al Jeff, Spencer Hawes
all worth a look into.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Guarding twos is a serious weakness for our team right now
I’m hoping Iman can fill that void
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
yeah when you're putting Anthony Carter on Wade you know you could use a helping hand
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
the sad thing is he was by far the best at defending him on our team
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in that particular match up
anthony carter does seem to have wade’s number for some reason. but in general, anthony carter is not gonna get it done. wade underestimated what he would have to do to beat carter. the hubris is strong with this one.
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he is not really a jew, he's jew-ish :P
by Teutoknicks on Jun 24, 2011 3:51 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
on an unrelated note, with amar'e in mind...
would have been cool to snag e’twaun moore.
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A'greed
Did he get drafted at all? Maybe we can invite him to camp.
Boston drafted him in the 2nd
they got both Purdue seniors
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i was at the draft
first one and prolly not my last . only thing is i almost got arrested by a newark cop for basically nutttin and got lost on my way back to pa otherwise great experience
does Seth Davis have something personal against Shumpert?
SethDavisHoops Seth davis
Most overrated player in the draft is Iman Shumpert. He’s fool’s gold. Looks great in workouts, lousy once the game starts.
He went on to say he isn’t a fist round talent and the Knicks will regret the pick, weren’t other teams looking at him in the first round?
A lot of the guys who looks amazing at the combine turn out to suck
Athleticism doesn’t always make for a good basketball player. Can’t say I blame anyone who is a bit skeptical of Shumpty.
iman is already skilled. got great handles, terrific slashing game and finishing and his shooting motion is fundementally sound to say at least.
Plus this guy is beast on defense and has so much room to improve its ridiculos. Playing under mda could do wonders for this guy.
Where did you see he has
great handles? Even NBA.com said that was a weakness and they are as optimistic as anyone
Seth Davis shouldn't be taken seriously, ever
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by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
for the record
that article is far from entirely fair to him, but he still really sucks.
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by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pissed when we drafted him
But I’m fine now actually. He was probably the best player we could have drafted considering everything that happened in the draft. It’s just a shame that we couldn’t get more picks and pick a PG or more legit big man. If Harrellson pans out though, that would be great.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
And I still don't get the Harrellson pick
8’8" standing reach, sub-par conditioning and slow footed. He’s probably not the answer to our C problems.
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Vince Lombardi
Were you thinking our C needs would be filled by the #45 pick??
I sure wasn’t.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I was hooked
when I saw his dodgeball move. Dude’s got a fire. Reach is way too low, but agility is actually extremely, weirdly good, though slow in the 3/4 sprint. Also, the guy has a 30 inch standing vertical leap. That’s way superior to Vucevic and is actually in Blake Griffin territory. And – he does that at 280 pounds with 15% body fat. Wait until the Knicks trainers get a hold of this guy. I like him – he may be a 15 minute player that comes in with fire and and gets some rebounds and fires our guys up while pissing off the other team.
Somehow, at Kentucky, this guy found a way to get it done. May not work against NBA players, but it might, you never know. It’s crazy what desire can do.
exactly!
may be a 15 minute player that comes in with fire and and gets some rebounds and fires our guys up while pissing off the other team.
He’ll be a in your face physical player. cool wiht me for a late 2nd rounder on a team who lacks interior toughness outside of Turiaf
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Pissing off the other team should actually be his goal
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he's going to surprise us all...
harrellson will get his body fat down to 10%, which will improve both his agility (which is already very impressive) and his vertical (which is already surprising). and he’ll hit the weights and get stronger upper and lower body.
the kid will be tireless in all aspects of the game and quite possibly turn himself into the perfect compliment to melostat. 12-14 pts, 10 boards, 3 assists, good pick and pop, and lane clogging defense. only thing he won’t be is a shot blocker and a highlight reel guy.
he wears jean shorts for crying out loud… JORTS DOESN’T GIVE A FUCK!!
by bucketsncents on Jun 24, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
why no sir... i am dead serious...
mark my words.
by bucketsncents on Jun 25, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That stat line you mentioned = a better-passing Andrew Bynum
Harrellson wil have an uphill battle to even make the team
I was hooked
when I saw his dodgeball move. Dude’s got a fire. Reach is way too low, but agility is actually extremely, weirdly good, though slow in the 3/4 sprint. Also, the guy has a 30 inch standing vertical leap. That’s way superior to Vucevic and is actually in Blake Griffin territory. And – he does that at 280 pounds with 15% body fat. Wait until the Knicks trainers get a hold of this guy. I like him – he may be a 15 minute player that comes in with fire and and gets some rebounds and fires our guys up while pissing off the other team.
Somehow, at Kentucky, this guy found a way to get it done. May not work against NBA players, but it might, you never know. It’s crazy what desire can do.
After watching more film on iman, i love this pick. That guy has potential to be defensive gamechanger and his shooting motion is really good.
Now we add two more players and we contend in the east. First Grant hill. Second Chuck Hayes, who just become expandable in huston.
i've actually mentioned harrellson a few times in posts...
as good depth size. if he can tighten up some of that weight and turn it to strength, he’s got real good agility and IQ and can be the girth we’ve been looking for. not a shot blocker, but a good post defender and very good rebounder. decent vertical for a guy his width.
undrafted hopefuls remain greg smith, bryan amaning, rick jackson and maybe even mccamey.
shumpert confounds. i like the idea of drafting a shut down 2. we don’t need much from him in terms of offense so we can let that simmer slowly, as long as he can turn into a proficient 3 point shooter for now.
it also moves landry to the 6th man which is better for him with melo out there… they just don’t mesh and shumpert and landry running the lanes as the 2 and 3 might be pretty… though we still need a backup PG IN A BAD WAY.
i say TD is gonski. jerome jordan better have some offensive moves.
hopefully not for a couple of years of tutelage...
if he learns the craft of knowing when to pass and when to shoot (because that sounds like one of his weaknesses)… having a 6’5 guy run the point would be awesome. just don’t know if he’s got the head for it yet.
i can see it now in short bursts if the 2nd unit is told to grab the board and push push push… then it’d be exciting to watch. i just hope he’s not a douchebag, which it sounds like he isn’t.
by bucketsncents on Jun 24, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
yes.
Under MDA,CB and melo this guy can become a BEAST. Shooting and decision making are CB strenghts so… Most exciting part is fact, that CB is excellent post up pg and now picture Iman posting little guys.
He has a lot less pressure than most other PGs though.
All he really has to do is initiate. Billups and Melo and TD can reset and run the offense at any time.
by Crackback on Jun 24, 2011 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shumpert is a turnover machine when playing point He will not see minutes there
this year and probably we see more time in the D-League than for the Knicks. He’s turnover prone and can’t shoot. Two no nos for a D’Antoni guard. However he is an athlete and has upside so let’s see.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see that
D’antoni hates turnovers a little too much, in my opinion. Makes his point guards afraid to fail. But maybe Shumpert is too brash to care and that’s a good thing if he’s doing athletic stuff and running the pick and roll and playing D.
Hmm I don't know about that
I’ve heard one of the things that makes Nash such a great PG is that he’s not afraid of anything. He may make a bad pass, but if he sees the opportunity, he takes it. If it goes awry, he’ll admit his mistake, and make a better choice next time down.
I think he was patient with Felton as well. Ray turned the ball over alot, but Pringles let him get his sea legs, and while he was always turnover-prone, he became pretty good at running the plays
I can see that
D’antoni hates turnovers a little too much, in my opinion. Makes his point guards afraid to fail. But maybe Shumpert is too brash to care and that’s a good thing if he’s doing athletic stuff and running the pick and roll and playing D.
You could be right
Apparently he showed good instincts with the pick and roll. More than you can say for Toney. The guy’s got a bit of swagger too.
You could be right
Apparently he showed good instincts with the pick and roll. More than you can say for Toney. The guy’s got a bit of swagger too.
Harrellson is not an NBA player. He is probably a Jerome Jordan type move
Snag a big body stash him over in Europe and see if he can develop. Harrellson will not be on the roster when the season starts.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Negative Nancy
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Realistic Robby.
Please if Kanter was eligible for Kentucky this kid probably does not see the court. He is not ready to play in the NBA but he does have some size, so why not get him send him to Europe and let him develop then if he does bring him back when he’s ready. I do not see what is so negative about that. But if you think that he is gonna play 20 mins a night at center for us next season you are dreaming. There is nothing negative with taking a guy who has some size and then giving him a chance to work on his game.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no issue with him going to Europe. Sure dude may not be ready to step in instantly.
But your’e a Depressing Debbie. A Sad Susan.
Harrellson COULD be an NBA player!!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes in a year or maybe two if given time to work on his skills. Better he do that
in Italy or serbia or Greece, than try to do that for the Knicks next season. Harrellson needs playing time and he is not going to get it here. So let him get it over there and see what happens.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Why Europe and not the Bayhawks?
We do have a D-League team now, why not use it. Jordan was stashed in Europe because he needed to get a lot stronger and because we didn’t have a D-League team to stash him in.
Rec'd.
Agreed… stash him with the D-League so, if necessary, you know… when Ronny gets hurt for the 50th time in the shortened lockout season… we can call him up for 6 hard fouls and some playing time in the big leagues. No harm in that!
Agreed
Side note though. Why is it that we have no Harlem Rens in the D league? The name has history, Harlem would be perfect for a D league team, and we could keep a closer eye on the development of players. The cyclones and staten island yankees have already shown that NY will support minor league teams. As expensive as knicks games are, Harlem would go crazy for this.This is something that I really think should happen.
by Jeff Van Gumby on Jun 24, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Europe is more established in terms of tough competition.
But I’m sure the BayHawks would help too. We just aren’t so used to using the D-League. Plus I believe that in Europe, the guy would sign a contract with another team so the Knicks wouldn’t be on the hook financially, but they would retain his rights should he return to the NBA. The D-League may be different in that he would technically still be a part of the Knicks.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the NBA ultimately WANTS to mold the D-League to become similar to MLB Minor Leagues
but its a process. Teams are slowly attaching to D-League teams. I think in terms of Europe its pretty simple in that guys can sign contracts but NBA Teams retain rights for a few years. So they just go with what they know… I’m not sure on the technicalities of D-League rosters either though. I’m just good at pretending.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i think that makes so much sense
I am a huge fan of minor league baseball, and its lots of fun to watch your young guys grow.
This would be a great way to give guys more of a chance in the NBA. I feel like its such a shame when good players get one shot to make a team then is sent out to europe. This would be a way for guys to develop in such a positive way.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Ideally it would be nice if you could have a d-league player on your d-league team and retain all rights, and then sign him when he’s good enough, and only then does he take a roster spot.
It would also be nice if other teams could try to sign that player, and then you have to either sign that player to your roster, or let him go.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Whether D-Leaguers take up a roster spot or not could change with the new CBA, though
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Harrellson ending up kind of like
a Nick Collison – Chris Dudley hybrid. And it’s not because they’re both just rugged white dudes. I think his game is similar to both in a coulple of respects
no your like mindfeck
he always finds something bad about players
meh..i dont agree
I see him as a low upside, play now guy. If anything, we can send him to our newly owned by allan houston D league team. His strengths are hustle, dee-bo’ing the paint, and grabbing offensive rebounds. Things that translate to the nba easily. He’s also incredibily efficient when givin the chance to score. He can play now if he can learn to rotate on D and not foul out in practice.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I agree with you
I’m irrationally optimistic, sure. Currence is right that the guy would never have seen the floor if not for Kanter being ineligible. And yet, the guy came in and produced – got rebounds, operated in the pick and roll et cetera. He’s undersized for the center position due to his short arms, but he can jump and he can move. And if he has a fire to succeed (and from the dodgeball video and the fact that he actually did succeed at Kentucky, I think maybe he does), he can and will find a way.
Guys that are not highly regarded in high school get overlooked in the draft. Guys that don’t have big seasons their first couple of years get totally overlooked. This guy may be a serviceable banger/tough guy/dirty work specialist off the bench. The Knicks paid $750,000 for this pick and I think they believe he can play.
He’s not an athletic guy that needs to learn how to play basketball – he’s an ungraceful, undersized lunk that has learned to succeed on the basketball court. And he happens to have skills the Knicks need. Don’t stash the guy – sub him in and let him piss guys off.
by fuhry on Jun 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the kid was interviewed on boomer and carton this morning...
i am now officially a BIG iman fan. the kid sounds like a real good guy. sense of humor, no jittery misplaced cliches’. understands what’s going to be expected of him and definitively sees him as a PG, though he’ll come in to the league and give what is asked of him. he also didn’t shamelessly plug his rap interests, in fact, he mentioned that first and foremost he gets his workouts in.
now we need nicknames….
Harrelson...
…did you guys watch the NCAA tourney? Harrelson was a beast. getting rebound after rebound, all over the floor, hitting little putbacks and jumpers. Unlike one Ronnie Turiaf…
by Nothin purer than the rooster on Jun 24, 2011 7:30 AM EDT reply actions
Yes I watched the NCAA tourney
Name 2 NBA quality bigs that this kid played against? Answer you can’t. Even Zeller at NC is would be considered a project if he came out right now. The guy has some size, but probably is not ready to contribute much at the NBA level right now.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
if we end up with a shot at him next year that will mean we did absolutely horrible
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
you said bigs
anyway I like that we drafted for immediate team need. I’m not so sure Harrelson is a project. He could step in and be productive from day one. This is a very low risk high reward pick.
*mistaken
which I might be, too lazy to look it up
He's bigger and more athletic, but Douglas was a better player coming out of college
and is better right now.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Douglas shoots better
And was thought as a better decision maker coming into the NBA, but he’s shown to be a little deficient in that regard.
completely different player
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I think he compares better to John Starks
Before Starks got that jumper and then the 3-point shooting.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
In other words, he'd be great if it were 1996
In 2011, he’s alright.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Shumpert does not make TD expendable
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agreed
If anything Carter or Rautins is expendable.
by Crackback on Jun 24, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
carter isnt on the team
technically
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
If anyone, I think Shumpty is the most available...
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
so no one?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
The Knicks are so shallow that no one is “expendable”
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
no trade Amare and Melo
for soem LBerz……
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
One crucial thing now
We need to decide what “Shumping” is, and how much we like it. As soon as possible.
Humpty Shumpty
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
P&T may well explode.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Just imagine...
If a shump could lead to a poop?
a Shumpty dumpty?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
anyone else notice
how josh harrellson is a missouri native? it’s a bit of a reach but the last 6’9-‘10 ish tall white guy baller (who also hailed from missouri) served us pretty well. here’s to pieces that fit and that stern caves. i dont think he’d want 2 lockouts within his tenure.
From around the same area, too!
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like I've failed you, P&T
Iman Shumpert was supposed to be the next “Know the Prospect” and it has literally been about half-done for over two weeks now. I wish we could have all learned together before he got selected/I wish I had written a profile of the kid we drafted!
"Landry Fields! Hottest rookie in the game! Yes he is... Tall dark and handsome..."
http://www.lostinbostonblog.tumblr.com
@ross_bernhardt
Yea man, post up what you have/finish it up
It’s still good!
I loved all the Know the Prospects!
Time Machine know the prospect!
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
THEN WHAT GOOD ARE YOU?? THIS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!
(throws newspaper angrily to the floor)
(storms out)
I love this pick.
Especially if he can start at the point. And super-especially if he can run the PnR. At the very least he can attack and force switches for Stat, Stat’s man will have to move too far away and recovery will be impossible. And if they don’t switch he can explode for highlight reel dunks.
Having a guy with this kind of athleticism at the point opens up a lot of things for our offense. Can’t double off of Melo; tough to switch off Stat on the PnR; can’t double off Burps…
And to top it off he has the length and athleticism to bother the really tough PGs defensively. Billups can guard most 2s.
by Crackback on Jun 24, 2011 9:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Having not really keyed in on watching him in college
I think he can play a similar role on offense as Chandler at the 2 – when the defense collapses to one side, he runs in on the weak side and throws it down.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the pick of Shumpy, one of you bros said he can be like a Toney Allen for us and that kinda openned my eyes
but i think a lot of us wanted Walsh to sort of hit a grand slam because we dont have a first round pick and wanted this year to justify that, so we can look back and say “we got a real gem last year so not having a pick this year is not too bad”. but i do think we got a good player in Shumpert, i didnt know his passing was sub-par, i think out of all that would need to be his biggest improvement, not his shooting
by blackhova on Jun 24, 2011 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't understand how people can be so against the SHumpert pick
yet, jumping up and down to draft Singleton. The Knicks crowd at a draft always is confusing. I mean..its like they were taking Jay Bilas’ board seriously and when looking at Jordan Hamilton and Singleton there all night, it was a horrible move not to draft either of them.
Shumpert fills a really, really big need. The Knicks had trouble with big, quick guards and Shumpert will specialize on that. Landry wasn’t quick enough for that and Carmelo is too fat. I think he’ll have no problem being this year’s Landry Fields too.
His shooting is underrated. He had to chuck and duck a lot at GT cuz he was the only one capable of scoring there. He shouldn’t be asked to do that cuz that’s not his game, and he won’t be asked to do that here.
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Except
Shumpert shot 40 FREAKIN PERCENT! Unless Singleton covered him exclusively for 20 games, that’s damn awful. And the ACC was no great shake this year.
there is no way
that a Mike D led team would draft a guy that was a lost cause in shooting. If this knicks management group feels that his jump shot is not broken… i trust their assessment.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
How many NBA players are the same as they were in college?
And isn’t that the whole point of potential?? Do you think Shumpert has already peaked? Think 40% is the best he can ever do?
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Well..
a lot of players regress from their college stats as well.
My point is the college game is entirely different from the NBA.
Shumperts role at Georgia Tech will be completely different than his role with the NY Knicks. Let’s not write him off because of how he played at GT just yet. The biggest knock on him is his shot selection. Could it be that he was the #1 option on GT and expected to carry his team?? Could that be one of the reasons for his forcing bad shots?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
What do the Knicks do with all these PG's now?
Billups TD and now Iman.
I like we have a vet, a scorer, and a defensive guard, but how are we rotating playing time?
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Not everyone plays a lot of minutes
Iman is probably not gonna be our 6th or 7th man. He also likely wont be a primary PG.
But he IS a guy seemingly capable of playing multiple positions while giving other better players a few minutes to rest. And with his apparent defensive abilities he comes in handy for spot match-ups.
Im not expecting dude to play 20+ minutes a game. But 10 or so… why not?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
All 3 are combo guards
so that’s really 4 SGs. Landry should see time as a 3 too
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank god
Landry at the 3 off the bench in a lineup with good ball movement will be nasty. How does MDA make that happen?
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Play Fatty Anthony at the 4 when Mare goes to the bench
hopefully the Serbian Stiff actually is something so we have a 5 off the bench
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
(pouring out liquor)
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Jun 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
all I know is he's not Rondo
they showed people who actually looked at him that he can shoot. Compared him to others that had better % in college and he shot well. This is in workouts, either private or public that he showed he can shoot.
His shot selection was more of the reason those numbers were so low, not that he can’t shoot.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So..
we should trust workouts before gametape? Scouts before statistics? Man, I hadn’t noticed our analytic regressions taking hold.
by Chuck Burly on Jun 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
are you looking at gametape?
gametape shows that when he’s not jacking up a questionable shot, he’s a very good shooter. Statistics are great for people who don’t like to watch the game. Nothing is done ‘before’ or used over something.
Its all used together. The workouts show that he’s capable and will get better. Noth
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is questionable shots. With some players it is actually a habit.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to believe
that on a team with Carmelo, Billups and Amar’e Shumpert’s going to be hogging the ball and jacking up bad shots.
Poor shot selection is something that is very hard to fix. That was Larry Hughes
same problem coming out of college, never got fixed, it was Al buckets problem never got fixed, It was Nick Young’s problem and it is still not fixed 4 years later. And the scary part is all those guys were better shooters coming out of the gate than this kid. But we shall see.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
the reason those don't get fixed
is cuz they’re allowed to continue them. If there’s one thing Pringles doesn’t like, its poor shot selection. He just schemed and waxed his carrot for hours trying to make the offense run so we get the best shots for everyone on the floor.
If he takes bad shots, he’s not gonna play. If he listens to the coaches, he’ll get good shots and he made those sots of shots at GT.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
If you let them take the shots they’ll take them. If you tear them a new asshole they won’t.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
He better play and play alot, because the folks here will lose it
if Pringles benches him.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
the folks here would understand
the rest of the internets though… they will lose it no matter what.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
that doesn't really matter
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just going to say
His shot selection will get fixed by Melo and Amar’e slapping him upside the head if he’s jacking up prayers. Then again, Melo tolerated JR Smith, so…
Maybe it is... but consider the situations as well.
We are talking about this kid taking poor shots and turning the ball over a lot.
Can we attribute those things at least partially to his usage at Georgia Tech… where he was the best player on the team and expected to lead a mostly crappy team to wins?
Not trying to make excuses for the kid, but I’d like to think those are both very fixable AND less likely to affect him with a lower and more specific role.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
shot selection will be fixed...we have 3 stars that know what to do when someone
takes a bad shot, especially a ROOKIE
Amare will be all over that
so will Camelo
Billups too, although he sometimes takes them also, but he’s earned somewhat that right to do so (at least more than a rookie)
That's just Ridiculous!
I hate to ask
Criticisms aside, did they boo the poor guy? I missed it live.
by Chuck Burly on Jun 24, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Seth said it was violent
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
he wasn't there tho
and from watching the video of him surrounded by about 30 family members cheering him(including some slimmy in a short white dress!) i don’t think he even heard the boos. nor will he care. this is the biggest weekend of his life. he just became a multi millionaire, and his birthday’s on Sunday. my man is still partying, as we speak!
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where was this vid aired? i didtn see it
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
can't find it
if anyone has a linky, it’d be appreciated.
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do you even have to ask?
it’s the 17th pick, of course they’re booing it
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
If I may put a good spin on Shumpert's chucking
At least he has the balls to chuck it to try to win the tame. Hopefully, he’ll be more selective with better players on his team, but I like the boy’s Chutzpah (just continuing in the jewish theme)
I am surprised that Selby
fell so far downin the fraft. And even more surprised that the Knicks didn’t buy a pick to get him. I mean 49th pick shouldn’t have cost more than 1 mil…
Any thoughts?
yeah
although, i can see it becoming a bad situation with his relationship with Melo.
as in, if it wasnt working out and the team wanted to cut him, or not play him… how would Melo react to that?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
i think a pic that low would be less than 1 mil
im guessing a price range of $600,000 to $750,000, cuz who knows he may not even make the Grizzlies roster and we can scoop him up near the start of the season on a possible 10 day (if the cba will still have those)
by blackhova on Jun 24, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He had some medical red flags according to Chad Ford
and he was picked by a team with one of the worst scouting departments in the NBA, so those red flags may very well be legit.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Iman used to be married to Spencer Haywood
and is currently married to David Bowie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(model)
I wanna call him
Sherbet (even more so now that I just found out that its not Sherbert… which I always thought it was).
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
lol.
What do you mean, it IS “sherbert” still. And im in the same age group. Must be an 80s baby thing.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
its sherbet.
In the United States, sorbet and sherbet (although it’s spelled ‘sherbet’ it is widely pronounced ‘sherbert’23) are distinctly different products. For Americans, sherbet is the more widely known term and typically designates a fruity flavored frozen dairy product with a milkfat content between 1 and 2%. Sorbet, on the other hand, is considered by Americans to be a fruity frozen product with no dairy content, similar to Italian ice.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Another way to put it
Sherbet has balls, Sorbet is for quasi-intellectual wimps. Ain’t no f**kin sorbet on our squad.
I definitely prefer Sorbet
Sherbet is for kids and civil war generals. If you would like a sweet minty, creamy alcoholic beverage, you’ll also like Sherbet. If you want shit with chunks in it or you accidentally just moved to Philly, go with Sorbet.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Motherfucking Flinstones Push-Pops.
’Nuff said.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm starting to see comments that seemingly misinterpret the expectations of Iman Shumpert.
Donnie Walsh said it himself. The Knicks arel ooking at this kid as a rotational player. NOT a starter. NOT a potential all-star. NOT the answer to our problems. NOT a guy who will turn this team into a defensive juggernaut.
They drafted an athletic guard with good size and who plays good defense. He should help us off the bench.
I mean, seriously… were you guys expecting to draft a future all-star? If we went for a Center… who out there would be able to come in NOW and start for us a the 5 and contribute heavily?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
Considering..
we don’t have a five? Trade up 2 spots and get Vucevic.
by Chuck Burly on Jun 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
with what?
to who? The Pacers had Kawhi fucking Leonard fall into their laps, they’re not going to trade with us. The Spurs already made the trade with them too.
Impossible is what you’re asking for.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
how could a team not want to trade with us
i mean, we are the knicks… all our players are awesome and everyone wants to just give us whatever we want!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Bitterness
is what I’m full of. Sixer bastards.
by Chuck Burly on Jun 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked Vucevic too
but he’s not doing shit there. He doesn’t really have any minutes to play and he’ll just rot on the bench. Poor guy
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
you think Hawes still gets all the minutes at the 5?
or does he become the one expendable?
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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That is a really good point
I bet the Knicks were prepared to do the Pacer swap and it fell through when Leonard fell. But the more I think about it, I’m not too upset. Vucevic might have thrived here but if you can get a great perimeter defender with some functional offense and some possible point guard ability, that’s a good snag at 17 because usually teams stretch for stiffy bigs or offense-only guys from that spot.
All the stiffy bigs of note were taken already
Otherwise that’s probably what we would have done.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a combo guard that cannot shoot when he plays the 2 and turns the ball over at a high
rate when he plays the point. Yes he can develop into a rotation player, but it will be later rather than sooner. What Donnie drafted is an athlete with some potential, but he has alot of work to do before he can give us a productive 20 mins. off the bench.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
the glass if half empty?
We need defense. Thats what he does. And the high turnover and shot selection & % is a concern. But he was asked to do EVERYTHING on that GT squad. I mean, im not taking that reason and erasing his deficiencies, but it directly relates into why his shooting percentages were low. Not becuase he has bad form or bad habits. He was asked to do too much. I mean shit, he led his team in rebounds, points, steals, assists. And he even on tape said taht he was forced to do a lot on offense w/o any type of wing to kick it to.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
The glass is patience. Look the Kid has a great body, size for a combo guard, and is
an Athlete, but he has alot of work to do, and some bad habits to unlearn.
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
patience, good choice.
But it comes off that your bashing his qualities and emphasizing his areas of concern. He does need work. But im less worried about his shooting% and turnovers, because like you said..he isnt going to get playing time with coaches asking him to do those things. If he does crack rotation earrly, it will be in specific roster movements where he plays D and isnt handling the rock. Tht being said though, I wouldnt be surprised if he gives landry strong competition in camp. Becuase Landry isnt a ball handler nor a great shooter either.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Currence is managing expectations
A sound practice, and one I engage in in every aspect of my life with the exception of my Knick Fandom. Sherbet and Barrellson are going to be 1-2 in ROY voting and are also going to open a show on Broadway in the offseason!
But can they staff a Modell's during the Weds lunch hour rush?
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob you are overreactibng with raw athlete stuff. Kid has long ways to go no doubt, but is already pretty polished.
Even his shooting form looks good.
Who the fuck does this guy think he is?
Not leading GT in blocks. What a piece of crap. TRADE SHUMPTY!
loved this from hahn
Plan is that Shumpert can defend 2’s next to Chauncey and then Chauncey can play 2 on offense and Shumpert can play pick-n-roll.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Then that is scary because Shumpert turns the ball over alot!
by Robert Curre on Jun 24, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He does, sure... but that was at Georgia Tech were he was the man.
And obviously a much higher usage rate with more pressure to score and carry his team.
That obviously wont be the case in NY.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
much easier to get the ball to STAT and Melo then whoever it was he was passing to at GT
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
landry is gonna be 6 man
i think DWTDD is gonna be traded
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
nah i think Landry is safe as the starter
DWTDD maybe get traded but we wont know until deadline, i like the backcourt of him and Shumpert and the thought of them just closing off halfcourt… a dreamer can dream
by blackhova on Jun 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hahn pissed me off with this Toney Douglas is expendable now stuff
Shumpert has basically nothing to do with him.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Trading away DWTDD while his value is at its lowest would be crazy, esp for a guy who is more flawed than him. If the new GM wants to put their stamp on this team, a good start would be making good moves, not selling low on DWTDD.
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at Harrellson's twitter account
Shoot for the moon cause if you miss you will still be amongst the stars!
Oh boy. Josh. The stars are so much farther away than the moon.
Needs to improve: understanding of astrophysics
Aim for the box on the glass
cause if you miss you will still get a favorable carom
by Dutchmarau on Jun 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shoot for the stars because if you fall you'll land on a cloud!
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Now I saw the Dumbo documentary, same as many of us
but I think they cgi’d that scene with the stork on the cloud. Pretty sure that’s not physically possible either
Dutchmarau: needs to improve definition of Astronomy vs Astrophysics
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
god-willing
he wasn’t even considered an nba talent when we drafted him
With Humpty and Shumpy, do we now call Poope "Dumpy"
and hope he not jus poops but takes dumps all year long??
by blackhova on Jun 24, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Didn't know the Knicks tweaked the logo a bit.
Looks good.
http://sportslogos.net/logo.php?id=2nn48xofg0hms8k326cqdmuis
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Meh, I like the black contrast a little better.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah not a major change really... but looks a tad bland now. Not as striking.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The black gave me the halloween look. Which I don't like that much.
Blue and Orange looks really nice, but the black ruined it. I love this logo.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
I don’t like it.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
List of 2011 NBA undrafted free agents that the Knicks should look into....
Descriptions are from Bleacher Report
Gaurds:
- Jacob Pullen – G – Kansas State
A great scorer. Has shown flashes of great leadership skills. Too small to play his natural position of shooting guard, lacks the athleticism of NBA point guards.
- David Lighty – G/F – Ohio St.
Solid defender. Great work ethic. Last member of the “Thad 5.” Streaky shooter.
- Ben Hansbrough – G – Notre Dame
Great shooter. Big time player. Doesn’t possess great size, athleticism, or speed of an NBA combo guard.
- Brad Wanamaker – G – Pitt
Strong fundamental player who improved every year of college. Isn’t exceptionally quick or explosive.
Forwards:
- Jamine Peterson – F – Providence/New Mexico Thunderbirds (D-League)
Undersized for a NBA player and has a troubled past. Still worth a look as he has professional experience and averaged 20 & 10 in college.
Centers:
- Yeah, we should looks towards free agency for this position
Landry Fields for ROY
don't really seen any of those guys as someone the Knicks will pick up... but
these guys looks good IMO:
Mike Dunigan (6’10" Center)
or
Julyan Stone (6’7" PG)
That's just Ridiculous!
Brad Wanamaker isn't a NBA player
well, none of them are, but still.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would've pegged David Lighty for a Landry Fields type of dude before the draft
If we need a player just to fill out the roster, he’s one who actually will make the team.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have gotten Morris
Still don’t have a PG. Hopefully Shumpert can shoot. Not a huge fan of this draft but hopefully I’ll be proven wrong.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
We should have bought Darius Morris from the Lakers too..
he would be nice to have
That's just Ridiculous!
Lakers liked Morris a lot
They weren’t selling him to us. They also got Goudelock. I think Morris is going to be their starting point guard this year.
Who said we had to buy him from the lakers
we could have bought any pick before that
by michael28102 on Jun 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh could we?
The draft is just a buffet for Dolan and Walsh to pick from isn’t it?
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
39 was sold
Morris was 41 so yes….we could have bought him
by michael28102 on Jun 24, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
also
i hate michael jordan. now kemba gets to rot in charlotte. thanks a lot mj
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
I like the picks...it wasn't bling bling
but then again, I knew that coming in…there’s not much bling bling in this draft outside the top 3, some would say 5 …
anyways, defensive minded, these guys can contribute right away in the rotation…I like it…we got our 2 stars…now we are filling around them. I’m cool with this.
That's just Ridiculous!
I too, have come to like the pick
I think they drafted a guy that is definitely athletic enough for the NBA and has a defensive mindset and ability. After losing Felton, Gallo, and Chandler, who all were pretty enthusiastic defenders and getting Carmelo who often isn’t, this is a good move. If his offense improves, it’s a great move, but even if it doesn’t, the guy’s bound to be a good rotation player and good addition to the team’s overall defensive mindset.
I think this is a way better pick for us than, for instance, Markieff Morris even though Morris is more likely to end up an NBA starter.
I see musings that Sherbet was good at the P&R in college
any truth to this?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
How does Shumpert compare to...
Players such as Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, and Tyreke Evans??? He seems to be just as athletic as them.
Yeah, those are exactly the guys he should be expected to emulate.
How about Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson too?
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
???
Who said that’s who he is expected to be. The question was how does he compare to them. Is his game similar, different? I’ve never seen him play.
by Pretty Tony on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying temper your expectations, PT
Those guys were lottery picks and ROYs. Shumpert is not gonna be any of them.
Athleticism doesn’t necessarily mean you will be a star tho. I actually don’t really understand why people use it as much as they do. If you aren’t a 7’7 monster, then odds are you are athletic enough to be a professional athlete.
Maybe athleticism leads to guys being able to adjust better to an assortment of roles and situations. Shumpert had good size for a guard (6’6") and plays very good defense. he has a very long wingspan and good shooting form. I am looking at him as a similar player to Landry Fields.
But my point is the second you mention big names, people assume you look at said player to be as good as one of those “comparisons.” Shumpert prob won’t ever be a franchise cornerstone in that regard. But can he be a guy off the bench that doesn’t hurt us during a game and may even become an asset in terms of a defensive stopper late in a game? I believe so. That may be who I’d compare him to. Guys like that.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
man we got a STEAL!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he can jump as high as Wesbrook and Rose
but agility wise he’s probably more similar to Evans. Shooting wise he’s probably similar to rookie Rose and Wesbrook (which makes sense, hes’ a rookie). As far as pure point skills, he’s probably right along with those 3, but that’s not really a good thing.
Scoring wise, not even close to any of them.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
if only we had some guys that could score.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I don't get all the love for Chauncey's tutelage
Who did Billups coach ip over the coarse of his career? Westbrook, DRose? Neither are good decision makers, all they learned from Billups was the pullup 3 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. Don’t get me wrong, I love Billups, but I’d rather Shumpert try to emulate a pass-first PG if he’s viewed as our PG of the future. A Westbrook type wouldn’t be ideal on a team with Melo and Amare
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
over the course of his career, Billups has gone from a journeyman bust to an all-star, Finals MVP
and maybe an arguable Hall of Famer.
Think he doesn’t have knowledge to share?
This dude has been a major leader ever since his days in Detroit. Detroit collapsed after he left. They mistakenly thought it was Rip Hamilton who was the glue. It was Burps. Hands down. Then he went to Denver and suddenly Denver is fighting in the Western Conf Finals. He coems to Ny and in his 1st game, he’s already talkin to Toney about things. Dude, Billups is the kind of role model every team wants.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the glue was Burps AND Wallace
by superturboultra on Jun 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure it was. It just wasn't Rip Hamilton.
And when Detroit thought they needed a change, they were wrong to think Billups was the guy to move.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Westbrook and Rose may not be the best decision makers
but what they’ve done to help the team win reeks of Billurps tutelage. Billups was never this pass always PG who never worried about his own shot. Actually he was always a shoot first, drive second, pass third type of guy. Just went to do it is what he did best.
Really, Rose and Westbrook should be who Shumpert emulates. None of these guys are half the shooter that Burps is, but athletically Shumpert is closer to Rose and Westbrook.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, Westbrook and Rose are who you want Shumpert to emulate?! You know there’s only one ball in the game of basketball right? You wouldn’t rather the kid defer to Melo and play more of a Kyle Lowry role?
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want anyone defering to Melo or Amar'e
I’d rather those guys take less shots per game.
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We pay them 40 million combined, whether we like it or not
They’re here to take 40-50 shots a game. Telling our 2 max guys to shoot less is just not good business. they’re our 2 best players, let them earn their money. Having an inefficient rookie cut in to their attempts isn’t gonna lead to wins, although I’d love for Shumpert to develop an off the ball repertoire and get his points Landry Fields style
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jun 24, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you don't shoot with your paycheck
and I’d rather not be worried about who gets paid what when we’re trying to win games. Sure, Amar’e and Carmelo get the bulk of the shots. But the other 3 or 4 guys on the court shouldn’t be going out of their way to make sure they get their points.
We need players on the court who can help us win. You do that by scoring more points and stopping them from scoring points, believe it or not. Team game, all that shit. 2 players ain’t winning us a god damn thing
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Here's an interesting look at Shumpert
Highlight:
Guys like this don’t come around very often. 6-9 power forwards with a mix of potentially average NBA skills do.
Suns picked Markieff Morris….
One more positive thing to say about this pick and then I'll shut up
and go back to work:
Drafting a guy that can play defense, I’ve always thought, is a good strategy because good defensive ability will keep a guy on the floor where he can hopefully refine his offense. The best example of this is Ron Artest, a guy the Knicks quite famously passed on at 15 way back when. Ron was great defensively coming into the league and his offense just got better and better.
Bottom line is that you just don’t know. But drafting a defensive guard with at least a little offensive promise is an absolutely solid move with a mid-first round pick.
A defensive, athletic guard who's played both guard positions
and had a high usage in college – guys like Shumpert are often the best bets to improve in the NBA
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly how I feel.
Walsh seemed pretty insistent that it wasn’t his shooting mechanics that sucked, just his selection. Hopefully being on the floor with guys like Carmelo and Amar’e will keep him from chucking, and if anyone can help him refine his offensive game it’s D’Antoni and his staff.
I’m actually happy with Harrellson too. He can get in the paint and bang around, something that the roster was lacking (severely) to this point. So what if he’s chubby and not particularly athletic, if he can pull down a few boards and defend opposing 5’s even serviceably well, he has a spot on this team.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the opportunity of a lifetime for Harrelson and the Knicks
All he’s got to do is avoid getting eaten alive by Dwight and Blake. We have a glaring need for at least a placeholder guy at center. I don’t care about the short arms as long as he’s got that big butt and even bigger heart. If I’m him I’m thinking that last night was the luckiest night of my life and I am in the gym today turning myself into a beast.
Will he be any worse than Shawne Williams at defending 5's?
I’d venture to say nah, prolly not. I’m def excited to see what he can do.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
looking at Shump's jumpshot
He has a late release and doesn’t go up straight, putting too much power in his arms. reminds me a bit of Rodney Stuckey’s form. I wonder how much Weber will look to fix it; there are a lot of “fixable” points but sometimes it’s better to let someone be.
I also hope we surgically remove his conscience so he becomes the next Trevor Ariza as a rookie.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
Omnom Shermpunt
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
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