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2011 Draft Grades

Well, time to indulge in everyone's favorite meaningless post-draft pasttime: NBA draft grades! Before we jump, time to set some ground rules:

- Teams will be graded by pick, not by overall draft. No fair to laud teams that happened to have a lot of picks and trash teams that only had one.

- Picks will be graded by what else is there. We assume that each team didn't have a realistic opportunity to trade up. So if a team picks a decent player but passes on a good player, they'll get penalized. If they pick a future rotation player but only passed on D-Leaguers, they'll get a good grade, as they did the most they could do with their pick.

- Only doing the first round because honestly I know maybe two players picked in the second round.

- Remember that all 30 GMs know a fuck of a lot more than we do while we make our five-second judgments.

Jump for my grades, and feel to criticize + reply with your own.

Star-divide

1. Cavs - PG Kyrie Irving - A - He'll be a solid to very good starter for them, and in this draft that kind of guarantee is invaluable.

2. Wolves - F Derrick Williams - B+ - For rebuilding teams, it's all about asset accumulation and by taking the best player available they increased the overall talent value of their team.

3. Jazz - C Enes Kanter - A - Better talent than Brandon Knight, fits in admirably with Favors.

4. Cavs - F Tristan Thompson - D - Wasn't the BPA and if you're rebuilding you can't afford not to take the BPA.

5. Raptors - C Jonas Valanciunas - A- - Not a sexy pick especially if he stays overseas for another year, but the lockout is looming and the Raptors really suck, so they had to make this pick.

6. Wizards - F Jan Vesely - C+ - He could become a solid starter, and I'm not one of those who thinks Biyombo would be a good fit in Washington (next to McGee? really?) but to me his floor is way lower than his ceiling is high.

7. Bobcats - C Bismack Biyombo - A- - The Bobcats have needs everywhere and Biyombo has massive upside, this was a no-brainer

8. Pistons - PG Brandon Knight - B - In this draft he's a good value, now they need to get rid of as many existing non-Monroe players as they can.

9. Bobcats - PG Kemba Walker - D- - For the second time in three years, the Bobcats waste the #9 pick on a backup point guard, never mind that starters remained on the board.

10. Kings - G Jimmer Fredette - D+ - Regardless of what you think about him, he doesn't fit next to Tyreke Evans. Weak attempt to boost ticket sales in a critical year in Sacramento; unfortunately that franchise is royally (no pun intended) fucked as they go with the Bobcats-esque strategy of using personnel decisions as sales pitches.

11. Warriors - G/F Klay Thompson - D - Sorry, shooters are a dime a dozen and they left the best SG in the draft on the board. Mark Jackson will be having nightmares about "hand down man down" unless they make a trade soon

12. Jazz - SG Alec Burks - A+ - He played on a bad team and doesn't have one standout skill, so the best SG in the draft somehow fell to #12. In the past four months the Jazz have acquired Kanter, Burks and Favors, plus the Warriors lotto pick (along with their own) in next year's stacked draft. It really isn't fair.

13. Suns - PF Markieff Morris - C- - Added a mediocre player to a mediocre team.

14. Rockets - PF Marcus Morris - F - Did the same, but with a worse player. The infamous "mediocrity treadmill."

15. Spurs - SF Kawhi Leonard - B+ - Giving up Hill was curious, but they got a haul in return. Leonard is at worst a much better Chris Singleton; him falling this far and past Walker, Thompson, and the Morris twins is ridiculous.

16. Sixers - C Nikola Vucevic - B- - He'll be a better and more tolerable version of Hawes, right?

17. Knicks - G Iman Shumpert - A- - Because he fits, and there was no better option at all. Grade will hinge heavily on whether Weber can make him into a shooter or not.

18. Wizards - SF Chris Singleton - B - Would like it better if they hadn't taken Vesely at #6, now it's just weird.

19. Bucks - SF Tobias Harris - D - Because they passed up Burks in order to get Harris and Stephen Jackson. Hammond really knows how to build a 38-win team doesn't he. Decent value for this pick though.

20. Rockets - PF Donatas Motiejunas - A - Inspired pick after they blew the #14, basically because he has an actual chance of being good.

21. Blazers - PG Nolan Smith - F - Why?

22. Nuggets - PF Kenneth Faried - F - They don't think they're a playoff team do they?

23. Bulls - F Nikola Mirotic - B+ - Nice skillset, and the Bulls have the flexibility to stash him.

24. Thunder - PG Reggie Jackson - A - BPA, probable upgrade over Maynor, could be great in spurts playing with Westbrook.

25. Nets - SG Marshon Brooks - A - Doubt it'll have much effect on Deron's decision or anything but he makes more sense than anyone else.

26. Nuggets - SF Jordan Hamilton - B - Much better talent than Faried. If this is really the best they could do for Felton, at least they have Hamilton's rights for 4-5 years now.

27. Celtics - PF JaJuan Johnson - B - Good value. He's redundant, but who cares.

28. Heat - PG Norris Cole - A - Perfect fit for him, and for the Heat, as long as he can rotate with a shooter who's not Mike Bibby.

29. Spurs - PG Cory Joseph - C - Why even bother to go safe on a player who won't play right away anyways?

30 - Bulls - SF Jimmy Butler - B- - Underrated player. Cole is better, though.

Mavs - traded for Rudy Fernandez and Petteri Koponen - A+ - Fernandez is a good rotation player, which in itself is good value for the #26, but Koponen has a lot of potential and could play into the post-Kidd PG situation there. Hope they sign him after the lockout.

Magic - traded for some second-rounders. Why is Otis Smith employed.

Hawks - did they do anything except try to sell the team?

Lakers - got some good values in the second round.

Grizzlies - got Selby, does this spell the end for OJ MAYO???

Pacers - gave up Leonard/Bertans for George Hill. I know it's a bad draft, but they're just making a mediocre team better at being mediocre.

Clippers - missed them yesterday, they had two second-rounders and made two pretty safe(ly mediocre) picks while passing on better talents.

Hornets - forgot them too, because they acquired nothing but 750k. Reina made the point that their selling of the #45 to us while being owned by the NBA (for less than half of what GS got for Tyler) is suspicious, saying "begin the conflict of interest engines on Chris Paul's future right now." personally, I trust Stern's judgment fully /exaggerated wink

Other trades - Portland did well to get Felton, Milwaukee is completely inept at everything, why did Sacramento take on cap space to trade down, Charlotte did well for itself, San Antonio took a smart risk. Rockets got Flynn I guess, but that trade has more to do with them getting Motiejunas. The Jazz will be either the next Thunder or the next Blazers, depending on whether they play their cards right (and they've done excellently so far).

ok, that was longer than I thought, your thoughts?

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I agreed 100% with all your grades...except faried

its scary how much I thought the same thing, especially about #9 – #12.

I do think faried fits well on the nuggets because they don’t need him to score 1 point the entire season for him to be an impact.

"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."

by FrankWhyte on Jun 24, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Mostly agree

But

19. Tobias Harris- A
Lottery talent at #19, plus they improved at every other position. Definitely a playoff team if Bogut is healthy and Jennings improves.

20. Montiejunas- C
Rockets wasted both picks when they should have gone with Kawhi Leonard or Vucevic and Kenneth Faried. That would be a 50 win team if they had a center.

22. Faried A
Why aren’t the Nuggets a playoff team? If they keep Nene they are.

by mindfeck on Jun 24, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Those three are being penalized

for being mediocre teams trying to strengthen their mediocrity instead of taking risks to become great.

The Bucks passed on Burks to get Jackson so they can be a #6 seed at best. Denver is, like it or not, entering a rebuilding stage with or without Nene and the pick of Faried shows that they have delusions about being a strong playoff team. Houston wouldn’t be a 50 win team by adding Vucevic; you really have to give up on your boy Morey, who apparently struggles with applying his analysis and hasn’t built a strong team (healthy Yao or not) since Artest went to LA.

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/daryl_morey.htm

From the start until when Adelman was fired, pretty much all of his moves were winners. The only bad one was overpaying Ariza. Since then, I can’t explain anything.

Houston was basically a 50 win team in the second half of the season. Considering their youth, they should improve this year. It’s tough to be a playoff team when your franchise player is injured. Not many GMs can do that.

by mindfeck on Jun 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Billy King is bad

Every single move has been awful, except for trading Iverson for Andre Miller and 2 first round picks

by mindfeck on Jun 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Scola's latest contract anything but awful?

Morey just collects mediocre assets that don’t improve or gain trade value while in Houston. For the record, I’m arguing that they underachieved even when considering the absence of Yao (which had to be at least somewhat taken for granted before last season)

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

and while they have 40-45 win potential in a good year

they will never, ever go above that with their current roster. they are stuck in mediocrity because Morey fell into an age-old trap.

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they underachieved, then you’re saying they were a 45+ win team last year. And they’re young. I don’t like Jordan Hill, but you could argue that Morey took a risk on someone with upside. And he took a chance on Thabeet.

Scola’s good. You think he’s overpaid?

You think Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry are mediocre assets?

by mindfeck on Jun 24, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scola is under contract until 2014

Him, Martin, and Lowry are all efficient offensive players. But Scola and Martin absolutely suck on defense, Lowry is a league average starter at best, and the team lacks a transcendent player who can command double teams. They’re stuck in mediocrity unless Morey blows it up, which he has refused to do thus far.

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

better fit where?

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

Shumpert can play two positions, is more athletic, can guard SGs, and has a higher ceiling.

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shumpert can't play any position

He can just jump and push a bar away from his chest. Jackson is much closer to contributing, if he’s healthy.

by mindfeck on Jun 24, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, and steals

but since he had a good combine and didn’t play in New England he must be a “workout warrior”!

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

although i agree that shumperts pick is worth an A-

overall im kind of dissapointed with the knicks
a few 2nd rounders were bought by other teams and i dont get why we only bought 45
golden state bought tylers pick for 2m
we could have easily had him if that was the case and i dont see why we didnt

by noonyp6 on Jun 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

probably cuz Tyler's no good and the Knicks know it

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has potential and i dont think you can deny it

and at 39 why not?
he gets an unguaranteed contract
worst case scenario he doesnt work out and dolan loses some money but i doubt hes hurting for any so thats not a big deal
the 31 pick was also sold so any 2nd rounders they could have had if they used their money

by noonyp6 on Jun 24, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not your money

just saying. and, like all owners, Dolan budgets a certain amount towards the Knicks – I guess our scouts determined that the 2m can be better used elsewhere

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea i know its not

but dolan i hope is willing to spend to win
so far he has been but seeing as the knicks are (or where) the most valuable nba team and im pretty sure one of the only few that are recording profits i expect them to use their money to invest in the team and hopefully bring a championship
all im saying is i wouldve liked taking a gamble on a guy like tyler or selby in the 2nd round
we had the money to do it and the picks where available
worst case they dont work out and dont get their contracts guaranteed, if they fulfil even half of their potential we couldve had another landry type steal

by noonyp6 on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

We took a "gamble" on Harrellson for 750k

Our scouts, who know much more than we’ll ever know, decided that was the better move. As a fan it’s easy to say “oh buy everyone” but there are 29 other teams competing against you and you can only do so much

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's this year's BJ Mullens

potential is cute, but the fact the kid has basically been a nipplehead everywhere he goes doesn’t really make him a "disappointment’ that we passed on him.

Its actually good, cuz most likely it’d be an annoying subject all year on “when is tyler gonna step out of Pringles doghouse”

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

its not like they didn’t spend money. They did.

And the fact they spent 750k on Josh Harrelson and didn’t use it towards Jeremy Tyler, speaks a lot of volume.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

they did spend some money

but it wouldve been nice if they could get one more pick and take one of those high risk/ high reward guys
i dont think harrelsson really counts as one of those

by noonyp6 on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrelson is better then Tyler

so if he doesn’t count, either does Tyler.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The picks aren't always there,

even if another team made the move. Notice how some teams tend to deal with one another more than the rest of the league? Or how Billy King supposedly had a backdoor route to Deron Williams? There’s no way to know what front office relationships influence what deals

by Dutchmarau on Jun 24, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see tyler as just High risk

and not much reward. His name is only out there cuz he was #1 in his class as a junior (same as BJ Mullens) and his path to the NBA was different.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tristan Thompson pick gets an A in my book

Good kid, good motor, good 2-way skills, good attitude, raw but with upside and better all-around big-man than the Euro-picks….=Good Pickup

by screamedia on Jun 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Valanciunas really is the better prospect

Thompson should become a solid player, but that’s it, and if you’re rebuilding you can’t take a player like him at #4 when better players remain on the board.

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im STUNNED why the Cavaliers arent getting killed for selecting Tristan Thompson at 4 and not Valanciunas. Tristan was arguably not even the 10th best player on the draft board.

Varejao is approaching 30 and coming off major knee injury AND they already had JJ Hickson. Can’t see why Tristan was that much better than Marcus Morris while similarly undersized. It ALWAYS harder to find a guy like Jonas Valanciunas: athletic rebounding big with great dimensions who can defend, post up, shoot AND pass. So what if he is going to play in Europe for one more year. There is going to be a lockout anyway. Ironically, that actually would have given the Cavs a major advantage. Their pick developing, everyone else collecting dust. They should get an F. What a cursed franchise.

by bababooey2 on Jun 24, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

While good points I see Tristan as much better than Marcus and slightly better than Markieff

and I’ve seen all 3 play. I am biased as I like Texas after Pitt, but no matter the points, Tristan is not a D in the top ten.

by screamedia on Jun 24, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like most of these grades.

but idk about our pick.
i feel like we could have traded back and maybe gotten him in the mid-late 20’s rather than at 17.
but its done, and we need a guy like him.

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

He was getting a lot of love from teams with picks in the early 20s

I mean, you always hear that, but he was projected to go soon after our pick. I doubt trading back was a realistic possibility, and for what, a future second (that Dolan could just buy, saving us the risk of losing Shump)?

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was thinking like a trade with the mavs. or a perrenial playoff team for their next year pick aswell

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows who we called

but looking at the Mavs, they got a haul (Fernandez + Koponen) for their #26. Nothing we could offer would beat that package.

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree.

i cant believe they got rudy fernandez for their pick.
the mavs front office is real good. being able to get a b-level player like fernandez after they just won a championship, is pretty amazing

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could've went to the Suns right outside the lottery too

Shumpert was the Knicks boy. If that’s the pick you want, you don’t trade back based on what some fantasy land mock draft says.

You have a player you want on the board, either trade up for him or take him if he’s there. You don’t try and fuck yourself by trading back only to see the guy get picked right before you.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am always more of the BPA guy.

and i didnt think shumpert was th BPA their.
is this the guy melo waned us to draft?
the guy that lived in baltimore?

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares who Melo wanted us to draft

and this was the BPA on the Knicks board, not fantasy mock world

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 24, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont know what fantasy mock world is.

i was just asking if it was, not saying i cared.
and i dont think he was a BPA pick more of a position and need pick

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Selby went #49 overall

doubt Melo’s losing sleep over passing on him at #17

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am really surprised (As i think he is too)

that he went that low.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

and it was said fields could have been had after the draft

till we found out that would never have happened.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jun 24, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

true. but i just thought we could have tried something

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and who are you to say that we didn't "try" anything?

Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!

by The Rooster on Jun 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt mean that we didnt make attempts.

im sure we made the most attempts out of any team not named the timberwolves.

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 24, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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