Something Tells Me I'm Into Something Good
by fuhry on Jun 25, 2011 9:25 AM EDT
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Jeez. The entertainment value alone. I really hope this guy makes the team. But I actually think there is a lot of intelligence to this pick. I think this guy is a good teammate and has fire and intensity. I could see him getting swallowed up in the NBA if he is an inside-only player. But if he can develop a little shot, even out to the elbow, I think he can be pretty useful. Apparently he's intelligent in the pick and roll and from the film I've seen that looks to be true.
He looks like your classic white klutz, but the guy scored an agility rating of 9.20. Can that really be true? Because that is an extremely good score for a big man. And a no step vertical of 30.0? Also, very good. And done with 15.2% body fat, no less.
Though he weighs a lot, he's short though. I think center might be a bit much to ask of him in the NBA, but you never know.
I actually think the Walsh team is pretty smart with their picks. The only time they messed up was when they got caught between reaching down on a questionable character guy and picking a guy that had dropped into their laps (Jordan Hill). If Harrellson shows some basketball intelligence and fire, and can develop a bit more range on his shot, I think he can be a better NBA player than Jordan Hill, who is physically more impressive but seems lacking in some intangible way.
As for Shump, well, I'm really happy we have a guy we can call 'Shump'. I'm concerned that Georgia Tech didn't win much when he was there. He'll be useful defensively. Whether or not he can develop into a point guard and and efficient offensive player could really be the difference between the Knicks contending and being early playoff exits. He seems like a good kid and hopefully this ends up being a good enviornment for him and his game matures. He's only 20, so there's hope.
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i’m more and more excited by both the picks.
shumpert’s interviews are great… and he should start from day 1 next to billups (as our defensive energy guy with the starters) with landry coming off the bench when melo isn’t in.
harrellson is kurt thomas, with better legs. his shot will continue to develop and his width will clog the lane as he has the agility to slide well to stop penetration. clips show him as being a smart defender and not jumping to foul… he knows he’s better off sliding, hands up and holding ground (unless of course it’s time to send a message). i also say harrellson starts (definitely over jordan who if we could turn into a pick, i’d be thrilled). harrellson is going to become stats best friend.
ya know Kurt Thomas led the country
in scoring and rebounding the year he was drafted. Just sayin
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jun 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
jorts has been saving it up for the NBA...
just sayin’
i know i know, we don’t know… but hunches are good for the soul, and my hunch (and some clips and measurements) says jorts will impress us all, maybe not with stats, but maybe with that new stat PC that mindfeck came up with.
by bucketsncents on Jun 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I like your enthusiasm about Jorts
but let’s be realistic: he’ll be lucky to get a contract.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
i wouldnt say lucky.
ronny turiafs game is built on emotion and effort. Althought he does block shots. That doesnt mean jorts cant learn from a player who is very similar in build and style.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
He ain't gonna get a contract because of luck
It’ll be because of grit. If he has that type of grit, we as fans will be the lucky ones.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
the kid knows...
the only way he’ll stay in the league is if his teammates, most notably, the stars on his team WANT him on the court. and that means cleaning garbage, taking bullets, and all the other crap no one wants to do, or is good at. i dig that kind of self-awareness and he’s got the size and apparently, the basketball IQ to do it.
by bucketsncents on Jun 28, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to burst your bubble or anything
but where are you getting all of this other than he’s a good ol’ boy white dude who played reasonably well in a bad conference? Because it’s bordering on the creepy.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
SEC is a bad conference?
talk about creepy…..
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i've been following his career since he was 4...
tirelessly examining all sources of basketball information and studying only the most objective advanced statistics… and what i’ve come up with is that he’s the bobby fisher of hoops and destined for a level of greatness never before seen in the mecca of basketball.
why do you ask?
by bucketsncents on Jun 28, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hardly just you or just P&T
but I’m seeing this pick described endlessly with all the cliches that happen to be used almost exclusively on white players, like “has toughness and grit,” “does the dirty work,” “has basketball IQ,” and I’m more interested in the actual player – his skill, physical abilities, attitude/coachability (which is apparently a question mark), etc.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 28, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we've been through his skillset.
But what is more appealing to his game is his attitude + effort which =‘s grit. Now him being white is just that, he’s white. So what. Does foster blaze with his physical attributes? No. But his energy and motor are what make him a playable piece on a team. Oh, and hes white, i think(?).
hmm.. I dont even know what im posting about right now. I guess im saying that although he has some physical qualities, strength, surpisingly good lateral movement for a man his size 270(?), good jumping ability. Occasiional shorrt mid range shot.. better than turiafs but no way near consistent, has a bo’ gard attitude, which probably feeds into why he was labeled a slight coaching risk. (although imo, it was b/c of his tweet on the game he got 20+ boards “i cant get no respect!” when coach commented that “either they rebounded good or the other team was that bad”)
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
every athlete fits into a cliche...
for jorts, what seems to be resonating with people is the way he’s describing his own game and goals, and how he played in college… white or black.
the kid pretty much said his role is to “protect” his stars. he also seems to be very clear as to what his talents are and what will keep him in the league and productive.
and if you were to ask me to describe kurt thomas, i’d use “toughness and grit” just as comfortably.
i could care less about his color or his fashion un-sense (jorts), but the fact that this 6’9 behemoth wants to impress and protect his teammates with his brand of smashmouth basketball… i say HELL YEAH… we haven’t had those guys here in a long time.
by bucketsncents on Jun 29, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though
Jorts is no Kurt Thomas… but the important thing is that if Jorts’ shooting percentage and rebounding translate to NBA level, he’ll be a guy who might help us win a game.
a low to the ground, un-7 foot center...
brut strong, smart post defender, adept at defending the P & R, and capable of hitting a 12-14 foot jump shot.
no, jorts didn’t lead the NCAA in scoring in rebounding, but their games and grit do resemble each other… and i’m very cool with this pick.
by bucketsncents on Jun 27, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Walker led the country in scoring the year he was drafted too.
Kind of an empty accomplishment, since it depends on who the hell else on your team can score and who you actually played against.
You all know I’ve been calling for a Landry-Melo rotation at SF for a while now, and if Iman being better than expected and able to start is what makes it happen, then Hallelujah!
by superturboultra on Jun 26, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
nickname officialized.
does everyone concur?
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Hellll No I cannot 3rd this.
Makes me wanna put a pretty pink bow and frilly, puffy pink dress on him. Plus, the real Strawberry Short Cake Robin Lopez will keep trying to scratch and sniff him during games to see if he really does smell better.
we could just call him woody?
or mickey knox (natural born killer)?
by bucketsncents on Jun 25, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. idk, it sounds like a great name tho.
how bout bubba shump for iman?
does every1 concur with that?
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 25, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i will take that as you agree with the bubba shump knickname
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 25, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No Iman likes Sherbert.
He told me on twitter.
http://twitter.com/#!/I_Am_Iman/status/84794367189065729
jus waggin along son
Can't really top Shump
or the variant Shumpy
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 26, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
thats some shumpy sherbert
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Shumpity Shump Shump
Shumpity Shump Shump, look at Shumpy goooo!
That’s what I hear in my head when I think of Shumpert. To me, Shumpy is the way to go
I just say "Shumpert" like it's French
Shum-pear and Shon-say in the backcourt sounds classy as shit.
by flossy on Jun 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i love shon-say for dollar dollar billups.
but i think bubba shump is the way to go
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 29, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I dig that. Shum-pear
Sounds all culture-like. Aristocratical!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i like bubba shump better.
ask him what he thinks
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Harrelson is more of a Bubba
coming from the south and being a big guy. So we drafted Bubba and Shump which is a great name for their rookie video series.
awwww
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
someone needs to make bubba-shump t-shirts with those 2 on them (i legally get 50% of the profits. and 0% of the legal fees)
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jun 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes me wanna put a pretty pink bow and frilly, puffy pink dress on him
I’m definitely interested in making this happen. Does anyone know who in the Knicks’ FO we should call?
by superturboultra on Jun 26, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw him play at Kentucky during the tournament.
I never knew his name, and now I do. Jorts.
"I'm coming after whoever who has it."
Jorts is pretty legit. I actually heard that he's got a good jumper too.
Apparently Kentucky’s coach just asked him not shoot a lot outside because once Kanter was ineligible they needed him to be down low all the time.
Also, I do think he’s got size for the center spot. He’s a legit 6’10" (NBA sizes always round up and sometimes add an inch or two). If Chuck Hayes and Ronny Turiaf can play center, then this guy can. He’s not gna come in and be our savior at center but he could battle Jerome Jordan for 15 mpg.
Word.
I think what a lot of his haters are overlooking is the fact that Jerome will be over here next season too, so it won’t be only Harrellson picking up backup time at the 5. Between the two of them, Ronny and Shawne sometimes I suppose, that’s not a terrible bench of bigmen. Strange and unexperienced, but not terrible.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 25, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
jeffries might still be in the mix
and i would not rule out a free agent big man just yet.
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for league minimum? count me in
Victory goes to the courageous!!
at league minimum seriously a no?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
i'm with you
but he certainly seems to help team chemistry otherwise we wouldn’t have brought him back last year.
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I think he's a good team guy
and he has defensive skills but his lack of layup ability is, I think, just going to kill us. I like him but I don’t think he’s a championship level rotation player. I just don’t want him in the rotation. I’d prefer a guy who’s a better rebounder.
i like JJ a lot
i think he also would be just as motivated if he played 5 min a week or 20 min a night…
plus, he seems to be in Mike D’s corner, and is a smart ballplayer. I will welcome JJ on my team (for the right price) any time.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
He didn't win at GTech
Not sure why this should get any traction. He is not a complete player, he was drafted for his defensive ability and non hopelessness/rehab potential on offense. He led Georgia Tech in scoring…why?…cause they didn’t have anyone else that could put the ball in the basket. That tells me the school needs help in recruiting, not that this guy is a loser.
Many players are one and done. Do they learn to be winners in that year if they don’t get to the final four? Shaq’s LSU won 2 of 5 NCAA games in his 3 years. What did that portend?
I beg to differ
He led Georgia Tech in scoring…why?…cause they didn’t have anyone else that could put the ball in the basket.
Glen Rice Jr. is a pretty good scorer
This is worrisome
But I mean, he’s only 20 years old. He could learn to harness his game in a smarter way. We’ll just have to see.
I think the problem is he was supposed to be the iMan there
but that’s not his game. They expected him to be Dwayne Wade, which is unfair. He’s much more of a role player, but his size and athleticism make him look like he should be a star.
Hewitt did get fired from GT for a reason tho. Recruiting, coaching…he couldn’t build shit there.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 27, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
if thats the case
they’ll blame it on the system.
instead of giving credit to d’antoni.
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Yeah
“Despite the well known fact that D’antoni specifically instructs his players not to play defense, Harrellson overcame that burden and defended. Of course, D’antoni’s no-defense ‘shoot it whenever you get it’ offense is to be credited with raising Harrellson’s shooting percentage from 58% in college to 58% in the pros.” – Some clown at ESPN, 2012
by fuhry on Jun 27, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they always use
_’antoni
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Every time
I see that on TKB I cringe. The D’Antoni hate is astounding, with their only argument being that he has no rings. They’re idea for a replacement? (insert young coach with no rings)
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
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If we'd hired Thibodeau fans would be clamoring for a coach that "teaches offense"
The name being thrown around would probably be Mike D’Antoni
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
Thibodeau sucks.
The Bulls couldn’t run an offense against preschoolers.
knicks glory years of the past 20 years were when thibs was on JVGs staff. the intelligent coaches know their weaknesses and fill them.
Yes and a greater percentage of the fan base wanted Van Gundy fired
back in the day than want D’Antoni fired now. Of Course there is a ton of revisionists around here.
by Robert Curre on Jun 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. There might just be a younger demo by nature on a blog than might normally remember the 90's.
I’ll be 29 this year and have been watching since ‘93, but honestly my memory’s hazy til like ‘96 when I started HS. Some members’ memories here might start to sharpen even later than that.
Shit some people here are STILL in HS.
Well... some of us learn at a slower pace??
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
And I’d much rather have D’Antoni than Thibodeau, if we had to choose between the one is defense only and the other is offense only argument. Even though D’Antoni does preach defense, he just hasn’t had the roster for it.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
And THATS what Walsh is trying to do now...
amazes me that analysts cant grasp that idea. The draft is talent/need based. Depending on the team and the situation. We did both, Got a need filled at whose talent at that need is high. Is he an overall “better player” than brooks or singleton. Draft boards says no, but fuck the draft boards. If our team nees a pg/sg who plays D at both those positions, and theres a guy who happens to do this along with having a 42" vertical and height advantages…then you grab em.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
If we picked Singleton
Then the Knicks would be blasted for picking a player that would be made redundant by the presence of Amar’e and Carmelo. If we picked Brooks, it would be another offensive player that probably wouldn’t mesh with our 2 stars since he needs the ball in his hands to score. Shumpert was an almost ideal pick given the circumstances and I’m pumped to have him.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
so would it be safe to assume now, with the 2 stars on board (billups as a .5 star if you will) and a full training camp to learn the plays and more athletic, young, defense minded people on board (brown, shumpert) that if MDA falters this season it would be grounds to terminate him? i’m curious how much rope he has.
I think if he gets this team to 50 wins
They let him stay around to coach Chris Paul. Any less and he’s prob’ly gone.
d'antoni deserves a lot of credit
the man had to sit through 2 seasons of futility, and a 3rd season of serious upside only to be unraveled by a change in direction halfway through it. i think he deserves at least 2 years with an in-tact roster to get us to the second round. don’t forget that in spite of the lunacy Dolan typically shows, he’s also profoundly loyal. this is D’antoni’s team.
Well, only Dolan and the new GM will know that
But D’Antoni should have a season to prove himself. Any arguments that he plays favorites, sits players for no reasons and doesn’t have a coherent line-up or defensive strategy are made redundant by the fact that everybody in the world knew that the Knicks were rebuilding and changing their line-up. His mindset must have been: I’ll sit through these 2 years and then have my promised good team in 2010/2011.
What happens after that season? Another huge roster overhaul. Next year’s playoffs will probably be a huge indicant of how good D’Antoni is. He’ll most likely have a full season (albeit no training camp) with his roster and it should be fun to watch. We’ll be deeper, better defensively and in all likelyhood a 50+ win team next season, and I can’t see him being fired for that.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
so if we’re not a top 4 team it would be safe to say the team underachieved and he should be fired then?
If the Knicks are a top 4 team in the East
I’m be surprised. Very, VERY fucking surprised. So no.
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Top 4 seems pretty realistic to me
Chicago and Miami are probably going to occupy top 2 for at least a little while but I feel like the Knicks are in position to overtake at least one of the Celtics, Magic, or Hawks
D'Antoni is going to get a 5 year extension even if the team
loses 50. With Donnie gone D’Antoni now has direct access to Dolan. Even people who hate D’Antoni say the mutha fucka is charismatic as hell when you get him one on one. Dolan is a sucker for guys who talk a good game so you do the math.
Do The Math?
I told you from the beginning of the 2011 season he was a clown.
But you just jump all over me and the Gallinari B.S.
Just watch W.Chandler in 2012 shine as the starter of the Brooklyn Nets at SF.
Oh the 2011 season will be canceled.
lol
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jul 7, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Miss You GAx
Just put down and order for seasons at the arclay Center.
Maybe I can barter with friens on Knicks seasons.
Thats in 2012.
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