Isola: Knicks Plan to Pursue Kurt Thomas
by Seth on Jun 29, 2011 9:19 AM EDT
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PrintMarc Berman floated the idea on Monday of Kurt Thomas being one of several candidates for a one-year Knicks contract whenever there are contracts to be signed. The crazy-eyed vet (who, like I said, will lead a marauding gang of aging big men around the streets of the barren lockout landscape. You might get tasered by Tony Battie in the near future.) is a free agent once more after a decent season with the Bulls. Frank Isola follows up on that, citing a source who says the Knicks will, indeed, pursue Thomas and getting some words from the curt one himself:
"Everyone knows how I feel about the Knicks," said Thomas, who averaged 4.1 points and 5.8 rebounds in 22.7 minutes per game last season. "I have a lot of friends there. We'll see what happens. It's too early to say right now, especially since there might be a lockout. But I'm keeping myself ready because I want to keep playing."
Wait, do we all know how he feels about the Knicks? I'm not sure I do. I guess the answer would have unfolded a little differently if we were supposed to assume he hates his old team. Anyway, yeah, it'll be a long time until we know how feasible this is, but I certainly wouldn't be opposed. Last season, Thomas played in 52 game for the Bulls, started most of those, and shot, rebounded, and sweated on people at pretty much the same rate he always has, albeit at a career-low usage. If he comes at a reasonable price, I'd be perfectly happy for the Knicks to reel in the league's most venerable bro. Besides him being a childhood favorite and a relic of the last contending Knicks teams, he's still a serviceable enough big man that fits and could mentor guys like Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, and, really, Amar'e Stoudemire and Ronny Turiaf, in the ways of curtness. Neat!
So, yeah, whenever the time comes...
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Yay
I was hoping for this. If this is the last big move we make this offseason I would consider the team pretty complete.
It its a start that's one thing
if it’s the highlight then is it such a good thing?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
ONLY if he
brings back the cornrows
by blackhova on Jun 29, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Finally
To me kurt always looked funny in any other uniform but the Knicks
Tell Me I Can't, I Won't Hear You- Amare (GOD)
by makd2345 on Jun 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is a great start to getting some vets to come to NY, We need 1 or 2 more vets and then hopefully get lucky with some other free agents that fit our system that are willing to take less $
Tell Me I Can't, I Won't Hear You- Amare (GOD)
by makd2345 on Jun 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would love this pick-up.
He can give us a nice physical defensive presence, and on offense he can still make the help defense pay with a 10-15 foot baseline jumper. He’d be a nice compliment to both Stat and Melo.
by Crackback on Jun 29, 2011 9:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i've been bangin' the kurt thomas drum since last season
:pause:
actually it was marcus camby last season, but kurt thomas is a way-better re-tread i think. lowest-usage his entire career last season and he’s still got a lot to give. probably the only one willing to play 1 year of the other bigs we’re interested in anyway. plus he played for MDA in the past anyway.
Ugh. I totally saw the headline and freaked myself out for a second.
The “Isola” looked to me like “Isiah” and seeing the last word as “Thomas” made me hyperventillate for a second.
Worst brain fart ever. God damn I’m glad that’s over. Fucking speed reading classes…..
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jun 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
Was surprised
That the article included an actual quote from Kurt. Did Isola actually do a little journalism here? Wow.
Sounds like something that’s likely to happen. I think that’s great because I always like when old heroes are brought back for one more go-round. When you consider that the Bulls won 62 games with either Noah or Boozer out for most of the year, you’ve got to give Thomas some credit for that. When it comes to big men willing to play on a one year deal, I think Thomas will help you win a game better than anyone else available out there. Let’s get that old #40 jersey out of mothballs!
Get The Frickin' Rebound
It's funny
When Isola does a bit of legwork, he doesn’t have to rely on just trashing the Knicks.
by superturboultra on Jun 29, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Opposed
With the over-sized Muppet and Prince’s Landlord(http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6270915) being out for a major portion of the regular season last year, we got a chance to see a lot of one of my childhood favorites in a Bulls uniform fillin’ in. I must admit that he looked pretty good every time I saw him, and helped them in a handful of ways- something we need badly!
Also, the man hit 100% of his three’s in the regular season last year!
Also, the man hit 100% of his three’s in the regular season last year!
He could be the next Eddy Curry!
by superturboultra on Jun 29, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck it
lets just trade for the sunset that eddy curry is fading into. at least it will come to work everyday.
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the comments on that article make my eyes hurt
why are people so mind-numbingly stupid?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Isola makes his readers dumber by reading him
sort of like us P&T heathens talk about snacks and poop all the time
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jun 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
my z
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Dem cojones
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
das kerbangers
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Jun 30, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
one time I farted, stank so bad had a chain hanging from it
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jun 30, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
As a backup PF
Sure, why not.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Also heard a rumor from Allan Hahn
That the Knicks were pretty high on bringing in Lawrence Frank. I think that’d be great.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
I hope he's forced to fetch a cheesecake from Juniors every day he's here
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jun 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
When I think about kurt thomas...
I see crazy eyes and a minifro.
I sprinkle diamonds on everything I eat...1. its the most baller shit ever! 2. it makes my dookie twinkle baby.
crazy eyes and old school straight backs!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Forgetting that Kurt still is capable of playing..
i’d be pretty pleased if we signed him. Its finally coming to realization taht this team needs no more offense. Maybe a playmaker that can create for the 2nd unit(where we lacked last year) But Most importantly, we need defense. Billups, amare, melo..all score. And play avg defense (amare average defender who blocks shots) But with shumpert meeting defensive expectations, TD excelling at man defense, kurt taking the 2nd unit PF/C spot with Landry also being a slightly above avg defender.. IM going to be DRUNK off this Orange KOOLAIDE by the seasons start.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'd love to pick up Kurt. BUT...
We would need to add another big too. I’m talking about either Kwame Brown, Aaron Gray, Joel Pryzbilla or Chris Wilcox. Kurt Thomas would be an awesome addition, but the problem is we really can’t rely on him for over 10-15 minutes a game. The idea of adding a good vet on the bench is awesome (and yes we had vets this year, but not good ones, Kurt used to be good). That’s why we need to add another big man. Turiaf is good but he can’t be relied on because of his injuries so we need some depth at center. Either one of Jordan and Harrellson could contribute (I can’t see both contributing), but we can’t go into the season relying on them getting PT.
If we can go into the off-season adding Kurt Thomas, another big, a wing (probably an older wing) and re-sign Shawne, I’d be pretty happy.
I also think adding either Lawrence Frank of Kelvin Sampson would do wonders for this team. Both are great defensive coaches and would compliment D’Antoni well (assuming he allows them to do their job).
We don't need more from Kurt than 15 minutes a game.
Kurt 15 mins, Turiaf say 15-20, and whomever wins the battle between Jorts and Jordan for the remaining minutes, would be enough to get by next season. Remember folks we are unlikely to get a long term solution at Center (unless one of the young guys blossoms) this year, so really the goal is to get enough bodies and fouls, to eat up minutes at the 5 spot so Amar’e doesn’t have to play there. Kurt will play defense, bang on the boards, take a few charges, give some hard fouls, and hit the occassional open jumpshot, that is all we really need our Centers to do. Now if Turiaf is healthy enough to do the same thing, and one if at least one of our young Bigs can follow suit, we will not have an intimidating front line, nor will it stop the Dwight nuthugging that is going to start when the season starts, but they will be more effective than last year.
And yes we can go into the season relying on one of the young guys contributing. What do they really need to do, just come in play with energy. Jerome Jordan is a legitimate 7footer who goes about 250, Although when I saw him playing for Hemofarm he looked a lot thicker than he did in Summer league, forget talent, when player with a long 7 foot 250+lbs body is consistently active on the court they generally have a positive impact. The same with a 6’10 275lb guy. With that wide body if all Jorts can do is bang with other bigs and hustle he will be effective.
I think Frank will stay in Boston, he’s friends with Doc and they have a great working relationship. He only agreed to a one year deal in Boston because Rivers was uncertain if he was going to stay. Can’t see him leaving to take basically the same job here although he would do a good job if he did. Kelvin Sampson, his ethics issues at the college level aside, is a guy I have always liked. He is an excellent teacher and communicator, and everywhere he has ever been he has coached the hell out of some defense. P.J. Carlesimo is also a guy who may end up in the mix, he is available, knows knows D’Antoni pretty well, and is a good defensive coach. He did a great job in San Antonio when he ran Pops defense. The only drawback to him is PJ is still a yeller. He would scream at the players so loud and so often in practices when he was in San Antonio, that Pops had to tell him to calm down sometimes. Now when Gregg Popovich is the calm guy in the room, you are a bit intense.
by Robert Curre on Jun 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
a kurt, a jorts, a rony and a jordan...
would be more than sufficient. and if we add a swing/athlete/scorer/defender type for cheap (joe alexander maybe?) i’ll be very interested in what we’ve got going on.
by bucketsncents on Jun 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
dont forget that STAT can play the 5
for a little bit… especially if the opposition doesnt have a legit big in the game.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
True, but you just hate to play your top players out of position
Amare ran out of gas last year because he had to do too much, a lot of it was having to player Center
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
i am not advocating it as an everygame all game thing
much less then last season…
but the dude isnt a baby… lots of teams have C’s smaller then him that he can manhandle. We dont have to completely remove that from his game.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Agreed completely
He’s gonna have to play center some minutes a game, unless it’s against Dwight or Bogurt or Bynum or something. He can play with most 5’s, and I feel like he usually cominates them on offense, but when you have him guarding the big boys, that’s where you need reenforcement.
But 5-10 minutes a night for Stat at center is perfect. Ronny, FA center, and Jorts will all be fine to fill in the rest
The Knicks need one guy that can actually start and play Center
Rule of the jungle, two halves do not make a whole and four quarters do not buy you a soda.
Kurt playing 15min and Turiaf play 15min and Jordan playing 15min and Harrelson playing 15min and Willis Reed playing 15min and Patrick stepping in the last two minutes of each half do not equal a legit starting Center. All that equals is a bunch of old, broken and young/clueless guys sitting on the bench unable to play.
You either have players that play or those that can’t and those that can’t get swept in the first round of the playoffs… if they even get that far.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Umm Luc Longley, Will Perdue, and Bill Wennington's rings would like to talk to you.
And when they are done, Bill Cartwright, Stacey King, And Scott Williams’ rings would like to have a word with you as well.
by Robert Curre on Jun 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I miss the part of the story
where we drafted the greatest basketball player of all time?
What are you talking about?
PJ cant yell anymore. SPREWELL!
I sprinkle diamonds on everything I eat...1. its the most baller shit ever! 2. it makes my dookie twinkle baby.
by GottaLoveMelo on Jul 1, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Gray.
Thats who I want.
I sprinkle diamonds on everything I eat...1. its the most baller shit ever! 2. it makes my dookie twinkle baby.
by GottaLoveMelo on Jul 1, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think James Jones just opted out.
He’d be a good fit as a shooter off the bench. Another JJ. Would be sick to have shooters like Jones, Shawne and Billups on the court with Melo and Amar’e.
Jones would want more money than we would pay him. He just opted at of a deal that paid more
than Vets min. Remember we are only looking to sign guys for one year min. deals. Jones probably thinks he can get more than that. And I doubt we are gonna pay him what he wants to basically pay 8-10 minutes a night behind Melo.
by Robert Curre on Jun 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really think he'll get much money.
I think the only reason he opted out was because he saw that once Miller got healthy, he took all of his minutes and he wants to play. Jones can see maybe 15 minutes a night here. Idk if that’s enough for him. He can back up Melo and play some time at SG.
To be honest not really interested in another spot up 3 pt shooter who can't do much else
But I hear you. He can hit a few open 3’s and D’Antoni likes guys who can do that.
by Robert Curre on Jun 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
oo Jones would be lovely on this team
we need him
idk how healthy he is...
but Kapono will be available as well as anthony parker I believe
I sprinkle diamonds on everything I eat...1. its the most baller shit ever! 2. it makes my dookie twinkle baby.
by GottaLoveMelo on Jul 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta start somewhere
I tell you what I caught a few Bulls games last year and he looked pretty good knocking down his mid range jumper and crashing the glass somewhat
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Noah was able to set wicked picks to allow Thomas and his walker to step around and take his set shot
Do they still shoot underhand now a days?
heh heh heh woo hooo that’s not funny!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
You are right We should sign Jarvis Varnardo. Although Kurt and his walker would
probably break him in two with the first box out! Earl Barron is the Answer!!! Wooo Hooo!
by Robert Curre on Jun 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno how hypothetically realistical it is
but pryzbilla would be an excellent fit
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go for it
If this is true, then we gotta go for it. KT can still do what he used to do and I remember seeing him play for MDA in Phoenix and he was doing well. I watched many Bulls games last year also and he can still do what he used to do in NY. It be wise to get as many players possible. It won’t hurt and 15 to 20 minutes is all we need and he don’t even need to play every game of the season but he would be someone who would become especially useful come playoff time. Kurt, Turiaf, Jerome, Josh and Sheldon should be good enough for our big men. We would be loaded with good players. My ideal roster for next season would be:
Stat
Melo
Fields
CB
TD
Shumpert
Extra E
Walker
Kurt
Turiaf
Jordan
Josh
AC
Roger
Brown
This roster would be deep and we have plenty of options and players we could use in case of injuries and flunks. I welcome Kurt back anytime because he will always be a Knick to me just like Marcus Camby and others.
though there is no backup...
low post scoring option… unless jordan has himself some moves. a jump hook would be outstanding.
by bucketsncents on Jun 29, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Knicks also looking at Felton Spencer
Okay on a serious note, he’s still better than Kwame Brown….
He's pretty bad.
But coming from a guy who ended up coveting what Joel Anthony contributed to his team, at least defensively, I’ll take Kwame fucking Brown and smile through gritted teeth about it.
Felton just signed with Miami
And on an unrelated report Big Country has just committed to Boston for five years $200dollars
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Kurt is my all-time favorite Knick
The crazy-eyed glares after every foul call were just the best. His game has always been quietly efficient and even now he does well whenever he’s given minutes. Please bring him back!
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
loves me some kurt thomas
dude was rock solid during his time here, even though he was playing out of position. Totally undervalued and under-appreciated by many Knicks fans imo. Guy played his ass off.
Now as for the 40 year-old incarnation, I have doubts. It’s amazing he’s remained an effective player for this long, but that shit doesn’t last forever. And when it goes, it happens real fast
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been successful in Milwaukee and Chicago
because he acted as emergency depth. He ended up getting key minutes in crucial games and playing well, but he did so after resting for pretty much the entire regular season.
We’d have to do the same, and I see no reason why we can’t. He has the type of game that can be effective into advanced age – it’s all spot shooting and fundamental defense. I’d take him for the minimum and not make him part of the rotation until late in the season, if we need him. For the first ~70 games he can wear a suit on the bench and glare at the refs for 48 minutes.
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
by The Rooster on Jun 30, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
And you could do far worse for an emergency/backup big
Though if he approaches 20 mpg, that probably means we’re in trouble
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
True, but having 4 emergency backup bigs don't equal one legit big
And the Knicks so far won’t have one.
It may be a necessary evil to save up $$$ for the 2012 FA Bonanza. But how did the 2010 FA Bonanza go. NY saved and saved and saved and did not get the FA they wanted. They ended up having to “settle” for All Star Amare and then gut the roster for Melo.
They won’t have the same luxury next time once play resumes in 2016….
That’s about how much time it’ll take for Donald Sterling to get arrested for slum lording and for Short Arm Stan Kroenke to get arrested for embezzeling WalMart money and the rest of the owners will decide to end the lockup and we can stop watching the new Harlem Globtrotters!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
For 2010, NY shed the salaries of bad players and acquired good players to replace them
I’d say it went well
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
It didn't go the way NY wanted it to
and in 2012 they won’t have a stockpile of several players all playing similar positions to tempt Orlando or NOH with for their player if they can’t sign on their own as a FA.
Maybe it’ll work; but there was an assumption that it would work in 2010 but LeBron didn’t come and DWade didn’t come. The player to come was Amare; but only after NY accepted the risk of taking him top top dollar and accepting all risk for his health
In hindsight I’d say that yes Melo did take NY for a bit of a ride and teased NJ just enough to keep the game in play. If Melo said to NJ point blank “hell no” then the NY trade would’ve been for less. But I can’t blame Melo because there was not a guarantee NY would truly do what they said they would.
I call that a win; but not the significant win that the Knicks were selling they would make.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I don't at all disagree
I like KT, but yeah, stockpiling backup bigs is not a winning plan. Now, if we signed Kwame Brown to a 1 yr deal, that could work. Brown + Jordan + Ronny/Kurt + Harrelson is sufficient as far as bigs go.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
You may be right about Brown,
I’ve never been a fan of his, and its hard to tell but it seems like his lack of time on the court is more the teams just not wanting to play him. Don’t know how much if any is due to health/injuries
I think last year Brown did demonstrate he understands his role, which for NY would be simple;
*play defense, *get rebounds and *eat a lot of minutes to protect Amare and a weak bench.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Also
having one big 7 foot guy that can’t play basketball is way worse than having 2 rookies, an injury prone guy, and an old guy if 3 of the 4 can help you win a basketball game while they’re ong the floor.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Thats a great theory ecxept when you factor in real life
Meaning the injury prone guys and guys who cant play all are unable to play at the same time. So suddenly you have a large part of your roster unavailable for long periods of time… like what happens every year to many teams that try to use that failed cheap model
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
So who you getting then. Let me guess we are gonna trade Jorts and Jerome Jordan
and Bill Walker’s ball sweat for Dwight Howard/
by Robert Curre on Jun 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to hear we just gave a QO to Derrick Brown.
Never bad to add some cheap young talent. You know what’s crazy? Look at his draftexpress stats. Pretty close to Blake Griffin. I just hope nobody offers a multi-year deal.
Idk if it’s legal under CBA rules (or new CBA rules), but I want to sign him to a pretty big one year contract just so we can use him in a trade as a contract filler (because the way our payroll is currently set up, of course besides Stat and Melo, we really only have Billups and Turiaf who can get back anything major because Landry/Iman/Doulgas make so little)
You could offer a player a 1 year contract for as much money as is available on your salary cap
But no star player would ever consider it because it would be career suicide for them
No team has enough money to offer a star enough for 1 year
No star player will accept a 1 year deal for fear of injury.
The NBA owners are not full of good intentions. Most will screw the player the first chance they get because the owners truly don’t get it
Nobody would want a big dollar Derrick Brown. They will take a low dollar Derrick along with 3 other low dollar throw away players because several small pieces are easier to work with than 1 large one
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Interesting
I don’t think Brown was happy to be here – I bet the Knicks will let him go if he gets an offer sheet elsewhere. But….. I have a feeling that restricted free agency may go the way of jimmy the shoe post-lockout. So who knows, Brown may be stuck here. Which, for all we know, he might be OK with.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I think Brown is fine here..
at least better than Charlotte. He got pretty much equal playing time, and he’s working at that record company. Looks like he’s having fun in NYC
Like I wrote that wouldn't really help and he's likely not qualifying for Bird rights anyways
Just like a couple of years back when the Nuggets signed Birdman to his contract extension. he did not qualify for Bird rights (with his nickname he should’ve) because he was a 1yr FA signing from the year before.
That’s also why Matt Barnes never gets his payday; because he keeps going team to team on small FA contracts and never stays long enough to qualify for Bird rights.
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"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
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Reported today that Nene is officially opting out
Tuff to feel bad for the Nuggets, you play cheap long enough your players will walk
There’s going more qualified suiters chasing Nene than some first thought; especially since we now know the owners low cap figure appears to be $62m (in twelve years when the CBA is finally resolved and the league starts again its possible the number may be higher)
If an amnesty clause is included again I could see more players going after him. NY for example could clause out Billups and let him return to Denver and then sign Nene.
Given the option I’d rather NY use that $$$ as planned (CP, Deron…) though until NY gets a reliable and sturdy big to play alongside Amare and take up a lot of minutes my concern is NY will remain a bridesmaid to the NBA big ceremony.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Dude is leaving a lot of money on the table
I doubt he’ll get 12 million in a new deal for next year. But he might do better in the long run – maybe not. Sounds to me like he wants to get out of Denver even if it means less $$. Interesting, but I doubt the Knicks can get him.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
he is not that great a D big man is he?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Not really... he's all around a pretty good player
who happens to be 6’9"…. errrrr I mean 6’11"
Is he a fit for NY???? No, you need someone durable (Nene’s not) who’ll commit to defense (no again), rebounds (not really) and eat a lot of minutes
Guarantee, no matter what else NY does player-wise, they need a durable beast in the middle to be the cushion and last line of support for Amare or Melo. It’s happened too many times in the history of the league. You gotta have it or you will fail.
There’s a reason why Dallas suddenly won the title this year. They’ve had the same recipe of players for years and years…. except this year they got a big man who stayed healthy all year and ate those minutes in the middle.
Good thing it was a contract year for Tyson Chandler; otherwise he would’ve been hurt (like always) and Dallas would’ve lost in the 1st or 2nd round again.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Also helps when your backup center
Would be a starter on 90% of the teams in the league. That’s some quality depth
I have a feeling that Kroenke low-balled him and said, fine if you don't like this offer, go opt out into a lockout.
Even if the cap is pretty close to where it is now, he’d have trouble finding a better situation than Denver. And if the CBA eliminates Sign and trades, he’s kinda screwed. Either forced to go to a crappy team like Sacramento, NJ, Indy or Cleveland. Even then, would those teams offer him big $? Sac has financial issues, NJ wants Dwight, Indy has Hibbert and Hasnborough, and Cleveland has Varajao and a lot of PFs. He better be hoping for a sign and trade that allows him to go Atlanta, San Antonio or Houston.
Pleeeeeeease!!!... the number of better situations than Denver... survey says.... 10, no 12; maybe 15...
Denver squwaking heads, beat reporters on Enos’ payroll and their mindless mass has been trying to sell that “older than McSorleys stale beer” for years.
Short Arm Stan is the poster child on how you can be both *A. a cheap-azz owner and *B. be over the luxury tax.
This occurs by having the luxury tax implemented in the middle of bad contracts and then sitting, pouting, doing nothing except cutting costs, stewing in their own mess and do wait for the bad paper to fall off the books rather than fixing the problem.
Enos has Mark Cuban’s wallet and Donald Sterling’s brain;
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Not really, he'll get more money
GSW and Houston are the 2 obvious teams with available cap when the starts again in 5 years. If The Logo says to GSW that Nene is someone you want…. guarantee Nene is listening to that.
If there’s an amnesty then other teams will pursue; plus who knows what new rules will be in place for agents and manipulative FO types to abuse
The one detail the squwaking heads choose to ignore is if the NBA is successful in breaking salaries… it’ll be for everyone so if Nene only gets $8mm as a FA when the league starts his salary likely would’ve rolled back to $7.5mm if he didn’t opt out.
Nene is the great illusion. You think you’re getting Karl Malone and he shows skills; but at the end of the day and the end of the season, you get a 6’11" nice player… which isn’t all that bad in the NBA
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
State of the NBA now
We’re sitting here getting excited about Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown, and Aaron Gray. There just aren’t great centers anymore, and in the current state of big men, Nene is a very good center. Athletic, big body, can bang in the paint, good scorer. I mean, he is a pretty poor rebounder, and not a great defender, but he’s a hell of alot better than what most teams have.
Before the lockout happened, I had my money on Nene taking the MLE (if it existed) to Miami. For any good center, Miami is the place to go, because you have the chance to be the savior big man who clogged up the middle for them and brough them a championship (potentially). To me, if not Nene, they’re gonna get some “good” center to take less money and go there to be the savior. Nene seems like that sorta chap to me
We'd have to get really lucky to get that situation. Like we'd need a lot of things in the CBA talks to fall in our favor.
Not only would we need an amnesty clause, we’d need a high cap and Nene’s interest.
Even then, I’d rather keep Billups and have chance at Dwight/Paul/Williams next year. And using amnesty on a guy we had the option to waive, seems counter productive IMO.
Kurt Thomas Would Be The Perfect Addition For Them.
We need his toughness and he can teach the Newbies how to be a Knick Enforcer.
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