2011 NBA Free-Agency: Top 8 Values
The 2011 NBA offseason has been and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, an example of basketball purgatory in every sense of the word with the unassuming lockout, European infested draft, and a lackluster class of free agents. However, being an optimistic fan that expects the season to occur, shortened, or not, I remain hopeful that the recent NBA power shift can continue with some smart signings by the teams that can afford them.
The "old-guard" teams like the Boston Celtics, Los Angeles, and the San Antonio appear to be capped out this offseason, giving the young teams on the rise like the Indiana Pacers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Denver Nuggets, Los Angeles Clippers, and the New Jersey Nets, who all have ample cap room, chances to continue to close the gap in talent and experience.
There are some big-names in the free-agent class of 2011 such as Tyson Chandler, Nene Hilario, and David West, but when considering what they bring on the court, their injury history, and then how those two things coincide with their respective asking prices, a misjudgment of how those factors mix can quickly become a burden to a team’s future aspirations.
The ability to properly gauge a free-agents potential value to your present and future team is one that will be essential to any team going into the "new NBA" where a hard cap looks imminent. So I present you with the top-8 values in the 2011 free-agent class.
8. Kwame Brown C
I would completely understand if anyone were to be initially skeptical about Kwame Brown’s title of being a "good value", but when all things are considered he can be an above-average backup center who will rebound and defend his position effectively all for a price somewhere around one-million dollars.
There are plenty of other backup centers out there who can provide more on both ends of the court, like Brad Miller, Brendan Haywood, and Louis Amundson, but their respective contracts are atrocious.
Kwame actually played well last year for a middling Charlotte team where he averaged 7.9 points and 6.8 rebounds in 26 minutes of work per game.
Despite his respectable numbers, Kwame’s "bust status" and inconsistencies over the years have prevented him from improving his financial worth. If I’m the GM of a contender that needs a few cheap pieces here and there to fill out the bench, ahem…Knicks, I would take a flyer on Kwame. There’s really nothing to lose with this guy.
Expected Suitors: New York Knicks, Charlotte Bobcats, Boston Celtics, Miami Heat
Winner: New York Knicks
7. Tayshaun Prince SF
Every February, leading up to the trade deadline, there is at least one trade rumor that is centered on a glue guy going to a contending team looking for that missing piece. It seems like Tayshaun Prince has been involved in one of them every year for the last three, or four years. Well, now teams can acquire his services without giving up any assets.
The most recent NBA championship team, the Dallas Mavericks, is just one big sticky compilation of glue guys around a star in Dirk Nowitzki. I believe that you could switch Tayshaun Prince with Deshawn Stevenson, or Shawn Marion, and you would get close to the same results.
Prince can post-up and finish well like a Shawn Marion, but he can also shoot the three effectively (a career 37% shooter from behind the arc). Prince’s greatest known asset is his length and defensive prowess as people often forget that he was an integral part of the dominant Piston defense that made them perennial Eastern Conference contenders for a good part of the previous decade.
I don’t expect Prince to garner any more than the veteran’s minimum because of his age and back injuries, but having him as the glue guy who can defend the stars at the small-forward position would be a huge boost for any playoff team looking to improve at that spot.
Expected Suitors: Los Angeles Clippers, Golden State Warriors, Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks
Winner: Los Angeles Clippers
6. Luc-Richard Mbah a Moute SF
Mbah a Moute is basically a Tayshaun Prince-lite without the versatility on the offensive end. However, Mbah a Moute is a bit bigger and can defend his position in the post much better than his older counterpart. This is where Mbah a Moute’s value becomes greater than that of Prince’s; he is only 24 years old and despite his limited offensive skills, he is already recognized as one of the top wing defenders in the entire league.
Mbah a Moute is a restricted free-agent, so there still is a pretty good chance that he will remain a defensive gem for the hard-nosed Milwaukee coach, Scott Skiles.
As a result of his limited offensive ability, he will not be considered an A-list free-agent, so he can be had for a somewhat reasonable price. He is only 24 years old, so he still has time to expand his game on offense.
His upside isn’t enormous in any way, but the least you will get out of him is a top-5 overall defender for the next 4-6 years. If a team can get him for somewhere between two and four million, I think he can be the steal of this offseason.
Expected Suitors: Milwaukee Bucks, Los Angeles Clippers, Golden State Warriors, Utah Jazz
Winner: Milwaukee Bucks
5. Chuck Hayes PF/C
Hayes is an extremely undersized center at 6’6 who has received starter’s minutes because his 7’6 teammate, Yao Ming, has been injured for basically all of the last two years.
Hayes is a thick, tough, and tenacious frontcourt player than does almost nothing outside of playing defense and rebounding. The team rebounding and defensive statistics for the Houston Rockets last year were below-average because the undersized Hayes was exploited by bigger frontlines. However, if he is paired with a bigger power forward, or center, his flaws can be masked and his skills will become much more valuable.
He draws comparisons to a smaller Joel Anthony, or a smaller Anderson Varejao. Hayes is another energy/hustle guy that can give his opponents fits because of his relentlessness and strength on the block. His small stature will prove to hinder is financial status, so I think he can be had for between two and four million per year.
Hayes can be a starter if paired with the proper supporting cast, but for most teams, he can be an elite backup center that provides the prototypical "energy of the bench" that every contender needs.
Expected Suitors: Houston Rockets, New Jersey Nets, Indiana Pacers, New York Knicks
Winner: New Jersey Nets
4. Grant Hill SF
With the help of the legendary training staff in Phoenix, Grant Hill has resurrected his career and become a nice scoring wing that can play some defense from time to time. Despite his physical degeneration, Hill still has the experience and basketball IQ that few other players in the league have.
Hill saw his minutes take a hit after the trade that brought in Vince Carter and I think that his new role as a third, or fourth wing player off the bench could serve a playoff team make the leap towards contention next year.
Hill can still contribute on the offensive end with a decent mid-range jumper and the ability to create his own shot (which is a skill that is not as common in the NBA as one might think). However, due to his limited athletic ability, he won’t be able to stay with a Lebron James, or Carmelo Anthony on defense.
I can guarantee that a team will be getting a player in Grant Hill who will not falter in crunch time (ahemm…Lebrick) and knows where he needs to be, or what to do with the ball when the game is on the line.
Grant Hill can be a leader for his team in the first year because he is so highly respected by his peers for his past successes; his high character and efficient game will make him a highly sought after free-agent for any team looking for veteran leadership.
Expected Suitors: Los Angeles Clippers, Milwaukee Bucks, Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Oklahoma City Thunder
Winner: Oklahoma City Thunder (match made in heaven)
3. Shane Battier SF
Another former Blue Devil, and another great value in free agency. Shane Battier may not be the flashiest of players on offense, or on defense, but he is as consistent and efficient as any.
Battier is a good shooter as he has averaged 39% from three and 75% from the free throw line through his ten years in the league.
Battier’s claim to fame has been with his tenacious defense and high basketball IQ. Battier is still considered an elite wing defender, when he’s healthy of course, that can still start for a team at the small-forward position if he is surrounded by offensively superior players that will mask Battier’s own offensive deficiencies.
The reason I have Battier above Grant Hill and Tayshaun Prince, who are relatively similar players, is because of his age (32) and his remaining ability to guard the best wings in the game. Rarely will one ever see a defender completely shut down a Paul Pierce, or Lebron James, but those annoying defenders who really get up into the grills of the stars, will force the stars out of their games and instead commit silly fouls.
Shane Battier is worthy of a multi-year contract and an opportunity to start in the role of defensive stopper. The Mavericks showed the world how important it is to have a guy like Shawn Marion on a team and I think Battier can fit that mold on a championship team.
Expected Suitors: Los Angeles Clippers, Memphis Grizzlies, Oklahoma City Thunder, Utah Jazz, Milwaukee Bucks, New Jersey Nets
Winner: Utah Jazz (replacement for Andrei Kirilenko)
2. Tyson Chandler C
Tyson Chandler will be in competition with the other "marquee" players of this year’s class of free agents for the biggest contract. I would not be surprised in the least if he gets rewarded for his all-star caliber play last year with a 3-4 year contract worth about 8-10 million dollars per year.
I could probably count the number of true centers on my own hands, few of which are as talented as Chandler on the defensive end. Though some can claim that last year was an aberration and that the elevation of play is typical of any player heading into free agency, I think his uniqueness and the skill that he brings on the defensive end over-rule the arguments against him. Chandler also has his youth to cling to when negotiating what his asking price is, as he is still only 28 years old.
Chandler is very limited on the offensive end as he scores almost all of his points on dunks and alley oops; I also wouldn’t bet on him developing a post-up game in the future because of his long and lanky frame.
However, he is an elite rebounder, shot blocker, and front court defender. Players of his ilk are few and far between; he can be the difference between a first round exit and an appearance in the finals.
The combination of Chandler’s leadership, that was alluded to by Dirk himself many times throughout the season, and his skills on the defensive end make him a great value to any team lacking a defensive presence in the front-court.
Expected Suitors: Dallas Mavericks, Toronto Raptors, Sacramento Kings, New Jersey Nets (Lopez + Chandler = Twin Towers reborn), Detroit Pistons, Minnesota Timberwolves
Winner: Dallas Mavericks (If a hard-cap isn’t immediately put into effect)
1. Wilson Chandler SG/SF
Wilson Chandler is not a name that is highly recognized amongst NBA fans, but he will be in a few years. Chandler is 6’8 and 230 pounds who, though not elite, can defend shooting guards, small forwards, and power forwards. He has the athleticism that gives him the potential to be a poor-man’s Lebron James. Yes, I said it. Lebron James. The "poor man" part comes from his lack of passing ability, or the ability to shut down a player on defense. The similarities come from his dominating play in the fast break and in transition during which he can be one of the best finishers in the game.
Chandler can create his own shot and he also has a pretty solid mid-range jumper to combine with his excellent slashing ability. The thing I like most about Chandler is his versatility because he can be a mismatch against almost any team as he is too big for shooting guards and too quick for small/power forwards.
The guy is only 24 years old and his PER has increased every year he has been in the league. One might wonder why would someone want a guy that was one of the mainstays in every trade rumor involving the Knicks and Carmelo Anthony, but I believe the reason he was being offered is because the Knicks knew they wouldn’t be able to keep him from leaving in free agency if they were to also have Carmelo on the team.
I’m not sure that he will light the world on fire next year, so I don’t see veteran teams that are looking to win now going after Wilson Chandler. However, he can be a good get for a young team looking for a second or third option on offense. I really like this guy in case you haven’t noticed.
Expected Suitors: Denver Nuggets, Charlotte Bobcats, New Jersey Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Toronto Raptors
Winner: Charlotte Bobcats
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Good write-up.
Obviously who knows about the FA salaries (goddamn lockout!). I think if this year’s salaries held true, I think Tyson would get 12-14 Mil a year.
I agree completely about Wilson Chandler. He’d fit great with the Bobcats, Nuggets, Raptors or Clippers.
Theo-trade John Lackey for a used condom and a punch in the nose. Remember, it's all about value.
Such a tough call on Tyson
He seems to be one of those players who only excels during his contract year. He had 1 great season with NOH and one great season with Dallas (bringing home a title… how can anyone argue with a ring); but the rest of his career has been somewhat of a disappointment due to injuiries.
For those old-schoolers…. I call this the “Wayne Cooper” effect!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I'd go ahead and remove the Nuggets from that list
The squawking heads choose to avoid mentioning this because they don’t want to be blackballed….
But Short Arm Stan Kroenke is going Avalanche on the Nuggets. He’s has control so he’s going to be cheap and stay cheap and remain cheap while sucking up every last dollar.
Here’s the kicker… I dare him to prove me wrong; but he continues and continues and continues to prove my point.
Look at what has become of the NHL Avalanche; they were once the NHL darlings; now they are a painfully bad team at the top of the draft each year…. Gentlemen… let me now introduce you to the NBA version of that… the Nuggets.
The ultimate joke of course is on me…. that’s the home team I’m stuck with…. ewwww that’ll team me!!!
Looking at your list, I’d throw the rest of the teams you listed out too. They either are incompetant (Raptors), already dumped him and imcompetant (Bobcats), or deliberately cheap & bad in a historical manner (Clippers).
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Brooklyn Nets Baby!
The Little General’s type of player. The Nets should go hard after W.Chandler. He wants to come back to the NYC area.
The guy will be a double-double at small forward the Nets with D.Williams passes for fast break layups. Not playing out of position like he did with D’Antoni. PF/C/SG.
What a joke, the guy is a lockdown SF whom should start at the three and have D.James backing him up.
I was always pissed off how W.Chandler got jerked around by the B.S. D’Antoni system and favortism for Gallinari. The guy will shine next to B.Lopez/C and D.Williams/PG passes.
Wake up B.King and get him asap when allowed.
Totally agree....
He could be a potentially “cheap” option so that if they do get Howard, they will at least another weapon to fill out the team. Not sure getting Howard is the right way to go though. I really like B-Lopez; if King could just get a defensive big-man next to him like a Tyson Chandler, or Nene with Wilson Chandler, I think they are a top-4 or 5 team in the East.
leave that shit for the Nets site
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 5, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
he would be a pretty good pickup for jersey.
An upgrade for sure. But He’d still struggle to guard Melo… :)
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
who's on the list...
for most valuable shooter/scorer/slasher? ‘cause that’s the depth i’d like to see now. kwame would be a solid pick up… that’s if kurt isn’t making his return. a bench points guy would be a real good addition. i’d love reggie williams, jamal will be too pricey and bonzi would be interesting.
I think the sample was too small for Kurt THomas last year
for us to really think he can still be an impact for 82 games. The guy is so old. Despite the obvious veteran qualities like taking charges and setting perfect picks, I’m not sure he is the kind of player we need right now. I think there are better bigs to be had for the veteran’s minimum.
I would take Kwame, or Pryzbilla any day over Kurt Thomas.
Kurt THomas would be good for a team like the BOston Celtics who will only need him to play like 10 minutes a game
Give him more than that.
In the last 4 years…from most recent: He’s playe 22, 15, 18, 22.
Yea he’s one year older. But with a roation of Turiaf, and either one of J Jordan and Jorts, amare, I dont think we would need 20+ of him.
And about Boston, why would he need only 10 m/game there and much more here in NY? Who is Bostons’ big men?? Kristic is gone, shaq is gone. Big Baby doesnt play center most of the tiem. They have JO and…..?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I want Wil back because I miss this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNiWsFHuDTA&feature=player_embedded
Imagine if DWade or LeBron or someone else did that? They would have saluted the crowd, fist pumped, scowled, etc…not Wil.
the master blaster!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PDxjuRT8A&feature=related
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I love how Turiaf celebrated for Wilson
Man, I miss how Wilson used to do something crazy, all while keeping a facial expression that would be appropriate at a tea party. Every season there would be a designated celebrator for Will, last year it was Amare and Turiaf that yelled and celebrated for Wilson, before that it was Nate. Good times…
by Gallinari's Barbershop on Jul 5, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, i do wish he would re-sign here.
As a starter he is decent. Not very consistent, but not a weakness when in the lineup. But as a bench player he is above average. And in most cases would be better than the other bench guy he’d be matched up against.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Um
I <3 Wilson Chandler, but you inhaled too many charcoal fumes this weekend if you think he is in any way comparable to LeBron James, even a potential “poor man’s version” or what have you. He’s a hard-working and versatile player, but he’s hardly dominant at any facet of the game, and to say things like “his PER has gone up every year” ignores the fact that his PER has gone from from straight-up bad to just slightly below league average. I mean, I think Wilson is generally underrated, but LBJ’s name should never pass your lips when talking about his potential. Just remember that after several years in the league, his best (half)season came as the 4th offensive option on a team playing a system that is known to inflate the production of wing players who have any kind of game.
this is true
but i still really want him back.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Good point... though I wonder if he's a player who ultimately becomes overrated with his underrated status
He’s a pretty good SF with defensive skills
But he has durability issues and I really doubt he can ever play SG. He’s kind of a 1 trick pony but not good enough to be a premier starting SF.
A comparable (not necessarily fair I admit) description from Denver is with Linus Kleiza.
Denver, a team with no starting SG or reliable C/PF makes a draft day trade to get Kleiza. Other than being college roommates with the owner’s son, this deal made no sense. In defense of Kleiza, he showed he could be a NBA-level starting SF. But what he also showed was that he was NOT a NBA level SG or NBA level PF or NBA level 6th man. The only time he excelled was when he was starting at SF. But when you’re team already has Melo, keeping someone who plays the same position and who’s game actually digresses when coming off the bench was a stupid move.
It’s possible Wilson may fall under tweener-hell unless he hooks up with a team that commits to him as the starting SF.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Why does every body have to be premier? why can't a player just be solid.
last time I checked you need alot of those guys on your team as well.
Solid
is not the same as “a poor man’s LeBron James.”
True
the real “poor man’s James” is Andre Igoudala
Most Definitely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU
by Ray Smuckles on Jul 13, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll go there with you
And I think if anything Wilson Chandler is more like a poor man’s Igoudala.
i'll say chandler...
is a poor man’s shawn marion.
by bucketsncents on Jul 13, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice fan post.
But a few problems… first of all, I’m pretty sure Louis Admunson is a back up PF (he’s like 6’8") and is only making like $1-2 million. So how in the world could be considered an overpaid center is beyond me. Also, I can’t fathom Tayshaun Prince getting a minimum deal. Especially for the Clippers. If he’s willing to take the minimum, every single playoff team would make a run for him. I think he’ll get closer to MLE value (even if there is no MLE, he’ll get like $5 mil from a team with cap space) and go to a team in California.
I’d add Joel Pryzbilla to that list. The guy has been one of the best defensive centers in the NBA and is huge. He probably will only take a one or two year deal and will produce well. I hope we can pick him up (along with Kwame). I’d hate to see him go to Boston or Miami. His value is lowered because of his injuries but IMO he can still be a great 25 mpg guy. Perfect center for us my opinion. Only problem is, can he be relied on for 70+ games?
Possibly Kenyon Martin too. He’s made tons of money (over $100 mil) in his career and should end up taking a major pay cut. Who ever gets him (my guess, Dallas, San Antonio, New Orleans and us will all be suitors) will get a steal (assuming they don’t give him over a 2 year deal). Same could be said about Kirilenko, but I think he’ll get another long deal. I know we don’t need AK at all, but he’s pretty much like an amazing version of Jared Jefferies. Tall, lanky small forward who can cover all positions… but he’s actually good. D’Antoni would love to get a versatile guy like him.
This FA class is extremely weak in stars, like a complete lack of… but there are plenty of really good rotation guys that could help us. Even if we do only offer one year deals (which would be smart), guys like Kwame, Pryzbilla, Kenyon, Gray, Redd, Hill, McGrady, Shawne, and Kurt will all consider and/or want to sign with us. Adding any 2 (and re-signing Shawne) of those guys would greatly help us.
Are you not even the least bit curious why Pryzbilla would be available
I would be concerned that he is coming off of what was thought to be a career ending injury and had trouble playing back to back games in Charlotte.
Absolutely
It also says something that Portland was willing to move him in a deal where they weren’t even getting back a center. To say Portland was hurting for a center is about a big an understatement as you can make.
I like Pryzz, but I think the very LAST thing the Knicks could want for a team where we kinda complain about Turiaf injury frequency is to acquire a center whos logged enough hours in surgery to possibly consider med school.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 5, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But didn't he play fine for Portland before he got traded?
I may be wrong.. though.
I’m just saying, if a team needs a big man (which we do), he’d definitely be worth a minimum deal. I’m not saying just add him and call it an off-season… add 2 FAs and he should be considered an option. Even if he only plays 50-60 games for only 20 mpg, we’d be better off than we are now.
And, how could Jared Jeffries ever be compared to AK47
Ya gotta give respect to AK47 for his all-star level skills
Jared never had a sniff at an all star game
For a fragile durability team like NY, why would they want to pursue players that cannot stay on the court? Players with health issues do not magically become healthy & durable. Danny Ainge painfully learned that lesson this year with the O’Neal’s
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I was implying that Jefferies is a versatile defender and so is Kirilenko, but AK is actually good.
I’m saying he’d play the role that Jefferies did. D’Antoni played JJ a lot because we lacked size and needed defense. AK has a similar body but is much more athletic and has skill. So he’d get minutes on this team.
Like I said, we don’t need AK… it’s just intriguing.
I just figured you compared them because they are both old and broken!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
If I could figure out how to keep AK47 together without breaking I'd do it in a heartbeat
If for his ability to score a 1day a year hall pass… ya gotta respect a man with that kind of skill!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Interesting post
I don’t want to get nit picky on it, since it is just a little speculation and all, but I think you should reconsider your Grant Hill predictions, dude.
First off, he loves Phoenix and he is on a very reasonable contract with them. Of course they want to keep him and he wants to stay there, as he has said multiple times. Dude has specifically said he is not interested in uprotting his kids again. He is settling in Phoenix. Maybe Ok City is a nice situation for him, but I don’t think I would go as far as to give them frontrunner status, especially without putting Phoenix in the “Expected Suitors” section. Dude is at the point where money isn’t an issue for him, so he seems to be all about playing where he wants and not just nomadding across the league ala Shaq.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 5, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed.
Hill had both Denver and NY make strong pushes for him 2 summers ago. He declined both so he could stay in Phoenix. I think he’s gonna be a guy we see wait out the off-season. If Phoenix improves a little, he’ll probably re-sign… if not he’ll probably consider leaving to a playoff team. But I remember watching some video on him on NBATV (I think like a day in the life of or 24 hours with… something like that) and he said something about his wife being a singer and going on tour so he cares for his kids a lot. Would he be willing to make them move? I don’t know.
the ability to get a ring
can change oppinions about things like that.
NY was about to rebuild, maybe he viewed denver and phx as somewhat the same…
now, ny is in a good spot and he did have a nice relationship with Mike D…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Wilson Chandler... #1 value, maybe just a lil NY biased???
Wilson also is a RFA, so his value per cost actually takes a hit because any team pursuing him would have to overpay to keep Denver from matching… unless you sign & trade.
No real ground breaker here, but here’s an article about Jason Richardson
I wonder if he’ll go the Juwan Howard route. After fiishing his monster contract he’ll talk and talk and talk about winning over money… and then proceed to sign to the highest bidder and dash away hopes of ever winning a title.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I think JRich will go to the highest bidder.
A lot of teams could make a run for him, especially if there’s some kind of MLE. Dallas, Chicago, Denver, New Orleans, New Jersey, Indiana and maybe us could all use a SG. One of those teams will probably overpay.
I agree... I see Juwan Howard written all over him.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I'm starting to wonder about Jason Richardson
Dude is a good scorer and defender (I think), but he is switching teams like mad over the last couple years. If dude is so good, why are teams so eager to move him in trades?
Golden State traded him to Charlotte in 2007, Charlotte moved him to Phoenix a year later, Phoenix shipped him to Orlando exactly 2 years later. Just feels like dude is alwayso n the move. Is he an asshole or somethin??
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 6, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it had more to do with him being a convienent trade piece
either as an above-average scorer that can hopefully sell tickets, or as a contract.
GS thought Brandon Wright would actually be good, and they had a Davis/Ellis backcourt. Charlotte, no idea why they wanted Bell/Diaw. Phoenix was simply swapping bad contracts for better contracts.
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GS thought Brandon Wright would be able to block shots with his arms AND ears!
watched him at UNC… never should have left so early. Dude was raw like sushi.
Course… I guess he DID get a guaranteed contract worth millions soo…. joke is on us?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 7, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounded like Larry Brown wanting to bring in defensive better players.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 7, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i still want him
he was starting to put up good stats in consistent mins at GS and then got hurt. He could be a very good buy-low
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 8, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
could be, sure...
But more likely he is gonna be one of those guys who is always injured and when he finally IS healthy it’s only for a handful of games….
I guess if the price is right… but it would have to be reallly low IMO
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 8, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He has a chance to demonstrate his mettle this year
Is he Juwan Howard (waa waa I want to win I’m all about winning…. errr wait who’s offering the most money? I want to go to there…)
or is he more Michael Finley (huh, paycheck… yeah whatever, let’s go win a title… go Spurs!!!)
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I could see him going to the Bulls
which would make ESPN hand them the O’Brien trophy immediately, even though what that team really needs is JR Smith
Congrats on winning your first NBA championship, Peja Stojakovic!
think JR Smith is a better player than Jason Richardson?
I don’t know that I would agree with that…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
JR is much younger and a lot better at creating his own shot.
But then again, JRich isn’t a headcase. I could see the argument for either… but if I ran the Bulls I’d go with JR Smith.
JR Smith is about as consistent as the Bulls offense
in that he’s not.
Richardson is a consistent shooter. You can expect him to show up every night. Any team in their right mind would choose Richardson over JR Smith.
Smith is younger, but he’s not any more of a long term solution cuz his act wears thin very soon.
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like both are good scorers...
but it seems like Richardson might be the better lockerroom guy? Or a guy willing to play his role and shutup.
Also, how is JR Smith’s defense? The Bulls are all about that and I believe Richardson is a very solid guy on D.
Might be a case of just because dude is younger, doesn’t mean he is the better buy.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 7, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well JR will be better in Chicago than he was in Denver
just because the imminent threat of Kenyon Martin murdering him after finding his SUV filled with packing peanuts will be gone.
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No No No No No they were not packing peanuts!!!
KMart’s car was filled with real popcorm…. greasy popcorn.
Tuff to fill too bad for KMart because the fact is… KMart started it!
JR went nuclear in the bonehead payback category; but KMart needs to suck it up a bit because he did his childish-ness prank to JR first
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"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Also, free popcorn.
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by The Rooster on Jul 8, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Overall, no
but the Bulls, due to their GM doing an awful job of cap management and dumping their best scorers so they could overpay Kyle Korver, need someone who can get hot on command for the many moments when the Thibs offense collapses.
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I'd say JR Smith would be better for the Bulls because he can handle the ball and create his own shot better
Rose isn’t good at facillitating for off-the-ball scorers like JRich
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I would love JR Smith in Chicago
Just to see Thibs head explode. You know how he gets that bulging vein in the middle of his forehead when one of his players does something stupid. Now Imagine him with Jr. Smith on the floor 30 minutes a night. Priceless!
God!!!! let him go to the Bulls
I guess they forgot they had him once before… only long enough to do a pass through to Denver…. But I’m sure JR has really matured since then.
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Prince
I think that Prince will be signed for way too much money. He is a very good player, but will not deserve the contract that he will get. I would much rather have a guy like Chandler than Prince.
The part that keeps being so easily overlooked is that Wilson Chandler is a RFA
Unless the new CBA drastically change how RFA & UFA’s work; you will actually have to pay more for Chandler than you will for Prince
Prince just needs to be sold on the locale and the offering $$$ needs to equal or better the other suitors
But…
With Chandler you’ll have to overpay everybody and you’ll have to overpay so much that Denver does not want to match the offer sheet. Plus you’ll still likely have to agree to a sign & trade to appease Denver into not matching. So you’re overpaying and giving up players and/or picks.
Legendary case in point. One of the 10 all time stupidest trades. Denver agrees to a s&t with New Jersey; giving up three future 1st round picks and a total Max Contract… for Kenyon Martin. That’s the kind of stupid you run into when pursuing RFA’s
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
hopefully chandler
accepts the 1 year deal denver offers him, stays there and become a ufa after that.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
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Restricted free agency is the biggest overpayment mechanism in the recently expired CBA. I can’t imagine the players like it either. I think it’s going to go the way of jimmy the shoe, but the question is whether they’ll grandfather in the current RFA’s. One interesting possibility is that current RFA’s become unrestricted.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Chandler/Humphries
We only need to get RFA W.Chandler to start at SF. D.Jmaes will be a solid backup at SF in the rotation.
As PF we need to sign K.Humphries for about seven million and not a penny more.
If he disagree’s then we have to go to FA for a rebounder.
Getting rid of Outlaw for less is a scenario we need to explore.
Beware of Fool's Gold with Humphries
Did he have a breakout year solely because he was playing on the worst team in the league. Even the worst teams need someone to score a couple of points or rebounds.
He has cap-trap written all over him. If you’re talking about bi-annual exception kind of money then I think it’s fine; but much more and he’ll be a waste of cap space.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
From this point forward he's now Cadillac Humphries
Like the long forgotten Greg Cadillac Anderson of the daze gone past, he only has impressive seasons when he’s playing big minutes on the most wretched teams in all the land!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
this is the Knicks site
keep that Nets bullshit elsewhere
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 7, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also saw a blurb where the Broken Nyets claimed they'd rather have Cadillac Humphries than Nene
Yeah of course they do because they know they have no stinky chance in all of Hades to get Nene to sign with them
Given the choice between choosing either the vapor trails of Nene running away from them laughing or Cadillac, I can see why they’d choose Cadillac Humphries
Choosing between that, I think I may still the vapor trail
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
Wait -
Dziedic is actually a Nets fan? Now it all makes sense, including the delusional rants…
by superturboultra on Jul 8, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its actually both
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He's two opposites in one whole.
Like an NBA yin/yang. Or just call him a sports hermaphrodite.
by GAx on Jul 8, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
ill will
i would loveeee to hav hime back.. not only did he get better and better each year, but besides a pg or center what we need. he can play 2,3,4 all very well. we could start him at the 2 and bring landry off the bench or start landry and bring him in for anyone of them (Landry, Melo, STAT).. i mean money which is obv going to be am obstacle, but he loved NY and there going to be one of the top teams in the east. would he take a pay cut, not a huge one but one from which he could get elsewhere for a chance to be a an important piece on a really good team. we can only hope but if we dump some guys the more the money adds up. Balkman, Shelden, maybe even walker could be moved or gotten rid off. I also understand we just got Iman and he could possibly play some 2 but personally i wasnt ecstatic about the pick or his game.. i hope i am wrong i really do but i just think ILL is almost a garuntee in knowing what you’ll get and more. Go KNICKS
hmmm, watching his game, i'm not sold
I see a true SF who’s too slow, improperly skilled and a durability risk to play SG and too small to play PF. This is not a dig in any way about Chandler. Except for durability, I’ve said the same thing since day 1 about Melo. He’s a SF; he’s an ill fit at any other position; he’s a SF, likely the premier SF in the league
I see 3&4 as the positions NY needs to address least. Real world you want Amare playing PF. This isn’t 1974, he’s too small to play Center full time. Short of injuiries the SF & PF positions are set in stone 35minutes a game, 82games a year
The other 3 positions… actually the other 7 positions if you factor in a 9man rotation, is wide open long term.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
+1 on all of this. I love Ill Will as much as the next guy, but he’s a SF first, a PF a distant 2nd, and a SG third.
by superturboultra on Jul 8, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
eh I don't really want Chandler back
I liked him on his rookie scale contract, but I don’t want to pay big money for what he brings.
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ill will...
good depth and versatility at best. but not for the full MLE. he’s more of a 3/4 than a 2/3. i’d still rather get a veteran 1 (ridnour-blake type) or shooter 2 (crawford-reggie williams type)… or a veteran big with actual post up scoring skills (eddie curry?… nah, just messin’).
true
Blake seems to have been mostly a 1year wonder… though he seemed to do ok in his time with the Blazers. I think fans & teams expect too much from him. Expect him to be durable, reliable (ability to stay on the court) play defense, play smart and stay out of everybody else’s way… If those are his marching orders then he’ll be fine and occasionally surprise people
I really do like the Crawford idea…. as opposed to JRich I do see Crawford as someone who may choose environment over money
The skill sets on the 6’10" and over Living Dead is so bad, if a legit-sized big can be found that can stay healthy, play defense and get a rebound, I’d be satisfied. Based on what I’ve just written I do realize I’ve counted out all virtually all possible candidates, current or retired
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I'll be very curious to see how things turn out with Tyson Chandler
Other than really 2 years (one in NOH and the other last year) he’s been mostly regarded as a disappointment… but not at the Kwame Brown level. That’s why Dallas was able to steal him off of the scrap heap for nothing more than expiring money
But if you look deeper, you see that he’s been a durable & reliable player. In his 10 year career he’s had 3seasons with injuiries; but the other 7 he was very reliable. You remove his 3 injury seasons and he averaged 75games/yr (91%) during the other 7
Still a bit of a risk due to the “Wayne Cooper Effect” not so much from injury but from quality of performance; but that looks to be a safer gamble then the “oh he’d just stay healthy then the world would be rosey” scenarios that get dragged out each year
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
I really liked what Tyson showed in the playoffs
granted, the only way he’s a very good starting center is if your power forward is a 20+ppg player who scores from the high post (so pretty much Dirk and Amare, maybe Bosh) but he’s a perfect fit next to those guys. He has great size, great athleticism, and he’s a very good all-around defender—man-to-man, help defense, and low post defense. If the only thing you need from him on offense is alley-oops and putbacks, he’s perfect.
Hopefully he can stay healthy, I think he had absolutely no problems this season and he’s still a great athlete.
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I think Tyson will forever be tied to the draft day "dear lord why did we give up Elton Brand for this guy"
But when he’s motivated he really delivers; and like I wrote above, I’m far less concerned about his durability. He’s a couple of injuries; but what he seems to have avoided is the lingering problems that drag on year after year after year
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
yeah why did they give up Elton Brand for that guy
he was good this year and in 08, but it took half a decade for him to gain the defensive IQ to really be useful
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Jason Richardson.
Jason Richardson. Jason Richa…go watch his performance in the playoffs for the Suns during Amare’s last year

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