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I know there's no point in having a negative attitude about life and moping around.  That said, I don't really care what I know.  I'm going to bitch.  Sue me.


Star-divide

Less than a year ago, I was very much enjoying being a Knick fan.   Donnie Walsh was proving himself to be my favorite GM ever.  Simply put, it was a joy to root for a team that he was running.  On the court, Donnie's work seemed to be coming to fruition.  The addition of Turiaf, Felton and Stoudemire to Gallo, Chandler, Toney and the rest had them showing flashes of great team chemistry.  The Landry phenomenon looked like one of those kismet-y luckouts that pushes a team toward contention.

Yes, Stoudemire acted a bit like a rockstar celebrity, but on the court, he backed it up pretty well.  And surrounded by a bunch of guys that seemed to truly believe in defense, Stoudemire seemed to fit perfectly.  I felt like I was in the middle of something really nice.

Fast forward to today.

1. First of all, we lost Gallo and Chandler and Felton and Mozzie and had to watch an ill-prepared hodgepodge of a team try (and largely fail) to figure it out.  Shit happens - what can you do?  I still have hope, but at this point I'm still bumming a bit.  We had a team that seemed to care most of all about basketball...

2. Amar'e yanks his back and we can't even win one playoff game from the goddamn Celtics

3. Walsh, still in charge, presides over a couple of draft picks that I've come to be very hopeful for.  But then he leaves, and the spectre of Dolan expands to cover most of the sky and block out the sun.  I hate when that happens.

4. The lockout.  It's apparent to me that the owners are intent on breaking the players, or at the very least continuing the lockout past November to the point at which the players will be missing paychecks.  It's clear to me that Stern & co are not interested in making a deal.  I could see this going the way of the hockey lockout.  The owners, most of whom have made awful basketball decisions, are seriously playing hardball because they want a NHL or NFL type of system and they're not going to stop until they get it.

Meanwhile, since there's no actual basketball happening, the news we get about basketball is mostly about the locked out players doing this or that bullshit.  I get ESPN the mag delivered to my house, I think it's a perk from my internet deal - and it's awful because it's not about sports.  It's about big star celebrity athletes doing celebrity things, talking about their bodyguards of the clubs they go to or the cars they drive or the video games they play or the clothes they wear or some bullshit.  I don't..... really.... care about Amar'e's ideas of being a fashion consultant or putting on a fashion show.  I mean, I like people that have style, but I'm not a fan of fashion shows.  I don't really care about what Carmelo is wearing or the new fancy apartment in Manhattan or what was featured on Lala's reality show.  I don't watch it.  Maybe Lala is a nice person.  I don't care.  I like basketball.  I like to watch basketball players play basketball and talk about basketball games.  Amar'e and Carmelo seem to like the other trappings of celebrity a bit too much.

It seems to me that basketball players, during a lockout like this, should be a)working on their game, b) keeping in touch with their teammates and c) working on making a new basketball league, collectively owned by the players.  That would scare the owners back to the table in a hurry.  But no, I gotta hear about this celebrity shit - and I have the misfortune of having two of these celebrity superstar guys on the team I root for.   I mean, part of this is certainly ESPN's fault.  They'd rather suck up to the superstars and their rich and famous lifestyle.  I wish they'd go find Toney Douglas and find out what he's working on and what his thoughts are on the lockout.  But I guess that's not what they do. 

OK, I'm done.  Shit has fallen so far so fast.

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I tend to do my complaining after we see negative results from things that we don't like

In other words, if Amar’e and Melo come into the next NBA season out of shape and playing like garbage, maybe we can then point the finger at their lack of focus on basketball during the offseason. But if they play the way that we expect them to play, well, there simply isn’t any reason to complain.

These guys are people too, and they are allowed to have secondary interests. The greatest basketball players in history have all had their own important secondary interests, and some of those interests have actually negatively affected their NBA careers in major ways. Let’s just be happy that Amar’e and Melo are more interested in fashion and television than they are in gambling and drugs.

by BJabs on Aug 4, 2011 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh please.

That was the saddest story I’ve ever heard.

If you’re frustrated by prospect of no basketball, I can understand that, but let’s just chill out with all the Knick-related doom and gloom. Have you ever entertained the notion that they might be good? And fun to watch? It’s very possible (and IMO, probable).

They haven’t named a GM yet, so let’s wait on worrying about that.

Dolan’s meddling is not new, so to those who are all-of-the-sudden bummed out about it, I ask, where exactly have you been the last 15 years?

And I know everyone is still divided on the Melo trade, but can we please just be happy, for one second even, that we’ll have two of the league’s most talented players? We haven’t even had one guy this good since Patrick Ewing and now we’ve acquired two within a year of each other. It’s really not the worst thing in the world.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 4, 2011 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You make good points

But I just needed to vent. You’ll have to admit that when Walsh was here it mitigated Dolan’s suckiness immensely.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Aug 5, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're both right
when Walsh was here it mitigated Dolan’s suckiness

It was more fun rooting for last years team, and I think they could have done better against the celtics. In any case they are gone and we’ve got two shiny new super stars. I also never had a favorite GM until Walsh. As far as Dolan is concerned, I am a proponent of the Steinbrenner Conjecture, which simply stated is that given enough time, any shmuck can turn into a genius.

We haven’t even had one guy this good since Patrick Ewing and now we’ve acquired two within a year of each other. It’s really not the worst thing in the world.

In a perfect world we would have gotten a hometown discount on Melo with enough capspace to get a premier point guard or big man. And DW would have been allowed to finish what he started. Who knows? If they blow up the season and ultimately roll back salaries while allowing a $62 million cap it could still happen.

Also, there is the possibility of Armageddon, and a new league forming without Dolan. That’s a pleasant thought.

by YuckFou on Aug 6, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

hear ya fuhry...

we’re a long way from the beginning of last year… which was a lotta fun.

by bucketsncents on Aug 4, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Shit's gone downhill since Feb. 21st

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 4, 2011 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I think folks just need to get their gripes out of their system

and be prepared for no NBA basketball. I am already prepared for not having a season. The season would not start until November anyway, and I will still have football. After January I can focus on college basketball, then by the time the NCAA tournament is over it will be time for Baseball again. In between I’ll just bang my ol’ lady and work on my stamp collection. The only thing I will really miss are Clyde and his suits. How will I know what not to wear otherwise?

by Robert Curre on Aug 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I like basketball. I like to watch basketball players play basketball and talk about basketball games. Amar’e and Carmelo seem to like the other trappings of celebrity a bit too much.

Because Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, etc. didn’t like the “trappings of celebrity.” Please.

Amare and Melo are no different than any other basketball star. The media landscape (and consumer base) has just changed immensely and athletes are targeting demographics that don’t include you via media you don’t enjoy consuming. The question is, why do you care?

by The Rooster on Aug 7, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Please indeed.
and athletes are targeting demographics that don’t include you via media you don’t enjoy consuming.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head there (and I’m not being sarcastic). Guilty, I guess. I’m yelling at that cloud.

The question is, why do you care?

That is a good question. I guess I tend to care because it’s particularly irritating when there is a lockout and this celebrity stuff is all that there is. And I do feel like some basketball players embrace and enjoy this sort of thing more than others. A lot of my care for it is just a fan being frustrated with the lockout and lack of a summer league.

But also, it’s one thing to appreciate a basketball player or an actress or a musician, but looking up to a celebrity class and being enamored with other aspects of their lifestyle is, I think, an unhealthy practice. There’s lot’s of money to be made selling people unhealthy stuff, and so maybe this is another example. I do care about my fellow person, even if I recycle the BSPN mag and don’t fall into that particular hole.

But maybe I should just be playing basketball instead of following these guys in the first place.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Aug 8, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Professional Athletes are celebrities afterall they are entertainers

We seem to forget that. The only difference between Amar’e and Brad Pitt is they way they entertain, but both are entertainers.

And you are right, celebrity worship like all forms of nuthugging is unhealthy I mean really who gives a shit about what the hell Carmelo, Lebron, or Charlie Sheen for that matter think about world peace, but let them say something and it is all over the news. Likewise we overreact to these people dysfunctions. Charlie Sheen is a womanizing drunk and a scumbag, big deal so is my uncle and no one gives a shit about the train wreck my uncle makes out of his life, so why give a shit about Charlie or Ron Artest for that matter.

by Robert Curre on Aug 8, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

word

unfortunately there’s nothing the athlete can do about that. shit, you think Amare and Melo create their public images? nope, that’s done by marketing teams at conference tables in suits and ties. with or without their consent.

money is status in America, and athletes like all Americans are practically engineered to crave it. so that results in a lot of shitty BSPN exposes and TV spots, but at least with athletes the standard is still to focus 100% on basketball when it comes time to play basketball.

by The Rooster on Aug 9, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I partially disagree

I think any kind of famous athlete or actor can choose the extent to which they participate in celebrity / promotion stuff in varying ways. At the very least, some enjoy it more than others. I guess it’s not the end of the world if guys have fun with it. Still, as a basketball fan, I’d like to see winning a basketball game be priority number one. Not to say that it isn’t for Melo and Amar’e, but sometimes seeing them enjoying the celebrity aspect is worrisome.

Bottom line, I hope to see these guys playing basketball one of these days!

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Aug 9, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is like saying that your job is your life Fuhry and that really doesn't work

with most people. You watch basketball because that is one of your interests. You may also spend your time picking out furniture for your living room, test driving a new car you would like to buy, volunteering at a local hospital or church, taking vacations with your family. All things you may do when you are not working. The difference is athletes and other celebrities do those things and they receive media attention. Carmelo buys a new car and some magazine has a picture of him driving it. Amar’e gets new furniture for his living room and some magazine wants to do a layout of it. One of these guys goes on vacation with the fam, and its is all over the damn media. And the funny thing is when athlete’s don’t allow the media to intrude into their lives to that extent they are seen as jerks. But these guys are just doing what we do, their is just more attention paid to it.

by Robert Curre on Aug 9, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad they are cashing in on their celebrity
it’s particularly irritating when there is a lockout and this celebrity stuff is all that there is

True enough, but having a successful celebrity career, especially in New York, sends a strong message to potential recruits. Plus, some of it is amusing, and what else do we have right now?
I would urge everyone reading this to support our celebrities. I personally pledge to get a full wardrobe of Melowear and Amar’i underwear. I will also eat Fields Cookies exclusively, and I am going to the hardware store right now and buying a Billups Head Screwdriver.

by YuckFou on Aug 9, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could care less what folks do on their off time

but bigtime rec for the Billups Head Screw driver. I want one!

by screamedia on Aug 9, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of non basketball Celebrity shit!

Anybody see the pick of Shaq and his new main squeeze. Geesh the Chick practically has to get on her toes to give him a blow job!

by Robert Curre on Aug 10, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno

Shaq might be a tripod

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

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