Voiding All Contacts, A Possibility?
by hvino on Aug 9, 2011 12:51 AM EDT
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Most of you already probably know this, but recently the NBA threatened to void all current player contracts if the Player's Union Decertified. (If you don't know, read this: http://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/2/2339838/nba-lockout-lawsuit-david-stern-players-union ).
So you may be asking, what does that mean? I think (I may be wrong tho) it means that every team in the league would have no players and every player would be a free agent. So what does that make? That makes pandemonium!
Hopefully we don't lose a season, but if this were to happen it would be pretty amazing for us.
Obviously this is extremely unlikely but considering the lack of bball talk we have in a lockout, I figured it would be a fun topic to discuss. Build your perfect team (under cap rules)
LETS JUMP
Think about it... There'd still be a cap but we'd have pretty much the choice of whoever we want (assuming they'd want to come to NY.
So for this discussion, lets assume that the cap is at $58 million and is semi-hard (hard but you can go over to retain players, which doesn't affect anything now, just for future re-signings). Lets assume that we see contracts shortened and lowered. I wasn't sure whether or not to keep the current rules regarding experience and contract size, so lets assume any player can make any money (i.e instead of guys like Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin being restricted to lower deals because of their age/experience, they can now make as much as somebody like Kobe, LeBron, etc.)
What would I do?
Sign Dwight Howard to a deal starting at $14 million.
Sign Carmelo Anthony to a deal starting at $14 million.
Sign Chris Paul to a deal starting at $14 million.
Cap total so far: $42 million. Leaves us with $16 million.
Sign either Arron Afflalo, Wes Mathews for $5 million.
Sign Lamar Odom or Paul Milsap for $5 million.
That sets the starting line up.
Leave the $6 million to fill out the bench.
Try to get a scoring punch like JR Smith or Jamal Crawford. Add a solid PG like Luke Ridnour or Ramon Sessions. Pick up an energy big man like Chris Andersen, Ronny Turiaf or Chuck Hayes. The rest could be minimum guys like Shawne Williams, James Jones, etc.
I really wanted to re-add Amar'e, but it doesn't seem logical with so many younger and better players available unless he's willing to take a smaller deal. Another scenario is similar to the one listed, but add Amar'e (for $12 mil) and Steve Nash or Steph Curry (for $7 mil) instead of Chris Paul and Odom/Mislap.
I was also tempted to just make a team that had some insane young talent (with a vet or 2) like: John Wall, Ray Allen, Tayshaun Prince, Blake Griffin, and Demarcus Cousins.
So lets see your team you'd create!
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that would be interesting
i think lebron has second thoughts ….and possibly tries, (Keyword…. Tries) to go back to cleveland.
This im not going to lie would be historic and something im interested in seeing. Melo wants to play here so we don’t have to worry about him.
I thought about that, and the more I kept thinking about it, it just didn't make sense.
LeBron cares way to much to admit he made a mistake. For that reason, I think he’d sign with Miami again (along with Wade). Bosh would probably leave after all the shit he got. He’d probably go to LA or Houston. Miami would then add a center like Bynum/Gasol/Bogut and some solid pieces instead of another trio (unless they’d get Dwight Howard).
i dunno about that
he says his heart is in cleveland and has shown some humility throughout the season…..if lebron can get a player or two to go to cleveland i think he would go back over going to miami….. i think he knows there is the only place he can build his legacy because it would instantly be lebrons city again….hell it would be his state……
I agree with bosh there is no way he goes back….but what other oppurtunities does he have ? maybe the lakers because pau would not be back in LA.
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Aug 9, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. It would be really weird seeing him in Cleveland again tho. And I don't think he'd be willing to say, "Leaving was a mistake, I'm going back," which is essentially what he'd be doing.
The funniest part is that as much crap as Cleveland did and all the shit they talked about him, they’d take him back in a second.
if you were a cleveland fan wouldn't you
as much as people hate him he is still the best all around in the game……hell he played us too and i would gladly welcome him to MSG.
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Aug 9, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Lamar Odom would accept the same salary as Aaron Afflalo
just for the privilege of playing in NYC
agreed.
Also, if the Knicks could have any three players, why they go for Dwight Howard, Carmelo, and Chris Paul? And why would they want to be on the Knicks? It looks like Durant loves NY and I’d take him over Carmelo. Why not take a guy who is playing basketball instead of playing with pandas?
I'm with you man. Playing with pandas? Cmon. Wussup wit tha
by GAx on Aug 9, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
pointing at them while wearing a glove is way safer
Plus this was last year while doing usual promotion for Nike.
Melo's played at Rucker before
Been there, done that. During a lockout with no end in sight, I don’t think anyone minds the fact that Carmelo took a picture with a panda. Especially when he was doing a promotional tour for Nike with Chris Paul… in China
by WSD on Aug 9, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What is it with NBA players and pandas?
They’re not even really bears, guys.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
i always thought they were
young Chinese children in costumes… its what they do if you have 3 daughters or something.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Why isn't PETA all over this, this is clear evidence of Panda abuse!
by Robert Curre on Aug 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What's with the gloves, KD?
Can’t touch the fuzzy panda? Melo had HIS paws all over that bear!
Obviously, but it's funny because the owners are the ones who threatened to do this. The very same owners who are so concerned with parity and control (although I still think only 20 or so of the owners feel that way).
I still think it’s just a threat to the players. Mainly because they feel it’s best for the union to stay intact or else negotiating would be even harder. Right now, I think the owners are really making a mistake by playing such hardball with the players. But the players aren’t perfect either, they do need to give up a decent amount of the BRI. The current system has spoiled them.
They already have offered to give up 1 billion dollars
and the majority share of the revenue. What is being under reported here is that the NBA will negotiate a new TV deal in 2014 for 2015. The conservative estimates from the network folks is that the NBA will end up with a deal worth 2x’s the present deal. That means that the deal the owner’s rejected would have given the players 54% of revenue from 2011-2014. From 2015-18 player revenue share would have dropped to 43% and the egregious raise the owners bitched about to 7million a year average salaries would have only given the players 47% of projected revenue.
That is why the owners do not want the players to de-certify. If the players de-certify they can take this before a judge and given that the players have already submitted a deal significantly reducing their share of revenue, a judge could very well decide to order the owner’s to accept the players proposal and end the lock out for face a possible anti-trust ruling. The owners do not want a more equitable revenue share, they want a hockey deal!
by Robert Curre on Aug 10, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that if the NBAPA de-certified all contracts would have been voided anyway as a matter of course. This whole lawsuit is dishonest, disingenuous, and dis-frivolous.
I hope the owners keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Agreed. Seems like an empty threat.
Players’ contract being voided would mostly hurt owners of good teams IMO. The only players who get hurt are the ones that are overpaid and won’t get the same contracts again. But then again, players who are underpaid will balance that out. All the players will still get contracts, it’s just a matter of where and for how much (and more or less than their old/current ones).
This is not a possibility.
I also really can’t believe the NBA really will be cancelled this season, its really not in their best interests to miss a season when the game appears to be at its most popular.
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if this weird idea would happen i would..
1.resign amar’e and melo each gettin 15 mil
2. sign marc gasol for 12 mil
3.sign james harden for 5 mill
4. resign billups for 8 mil
fill out bench with guys like fields, dwtdd, shump and jorts, jerome jordan , extra e and some veteran minimums for rest. Basically id try and keep roster same but with some modifications
It will not happen
Number one the owners are not going to vote to void all players contracts, that actually would strengthen a players anti-trust case. Secondly, once a deal was reached, the owners would have to re-instate the contracts or open themselves up to lawsuits, which could end up costing them a ridiculous amount of money.
The issue is the owners are making a threat, but a pretty empty one. For example, if they voided all contracts they would not have any rights to players at all. What does that mean? Another group of billionaires not in their little club, could swoop in form a league and steal all their players.
I seriously can only see a slight PR victory among those in the public not really following this lockout.
That’s it. No other benefit unless I’m missing something. What the hell are the owners thinking throughout this 2 year process, and where do they think this will realistically end up? I can’t believe this stupidity is costing me the 2nd season out of the last 10 I was really looking forward to.
I’m actually totally on the players’ side on this one, with the caveat that I empathize with the owners’ predicament of a constantly rising slippery slope of payroll, but have no sympathy in light of rising profits and popularity and the fact that they’re the ones making the final decisions on each and every bad signing they’re complaining about.
by GAx on Aug 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The rising payroll is tied to rising income. Under the current deal, the players get 57% no matter what. Even with all the bad signings, overall the players get the same amount of money, right?
by superturboultra on Aug 10, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Essentially this is asking what 3 players I would love to have the most.
The answer to that would be Paul, Durant, and Howard.
I would than fill out the rest of the playing roster with 5 solid players all making around 3 mil.
Than fill out the rest of the team with a bunch of minimum deals.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I'd rather have two guys (in this case preferably a SG and PF) make $5 mil and the other 3 make around $2 mil.
But that’s just my preference. Your way is smart too b/c by adding 5 equally average guys instead of two above average guys and 3 below average guys you can really just play a lot of different rotations. Then again, it depends who you have. And really the difference is marginal. I’d just rather have a top heavy team.
Both work. You want the 5 best players on the court when the games on the line, and your strategy accomplishes that. Mine is more along the lines of already have 3 stars to carry the team and wanting depth behind it.
They both could work and neither is proven more than the other. Plus, good SG and PF are less expensive than good PG, SG, and C, so we would be able to bring in some solid players for 2-5 mil a year.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I like this.
As much as I appreciate what Amar’e’s done, Paul, Durant, & Howard would be DIRTY.
Maybe this makes me a homer
But I’d rather have Melo than Durant. Did you see the way he shrank in the playoffs? Melo is on every year.
by superturboultra on Aug 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah yeah!
I was actually arguing with a friend at work about who’s the better scorer, and he kept saying Durant and I kept saying Melo, trying to ignore my homerism. And even though Durant scores more, is taller and longer, and shoots better %’s, I just trust Melo way more to score the ball when the team needs it.
Melo never shrinks, he’s strong and quick as hell, super clutch and just much more forceful when he wants to do something. I don’t know what it is, but Durant seems like wobbly and not in control. If I had both of them on my team, and I’m running an iso in the final minute on must-score possession, I’m throwing it to Melo all day
Melo is what?
His numbers go down in the playoffs every year and he’s only been out of the first round once. A career .419 playoff FG% is nothing to brag about, though it is better than last year’s .375 (and that’s including the one game where he was unconscious).
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we’ve gone through this in other threads. melo’s one big game really helped to divert the attention away from his 2 pretty terrible ones
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is it unfair
He’s a supah stah! I mean, did LeBron not put a talent-deficient Cavs team on his back year after year? Dude never got knocked out in the first round.
Yeah, but at the same time nobody's calling Melo the best player in the league either.
Just saying let’s keep expectations in line with how we view these players.
Plenty of people here were on the "I'd rather have Melo than LeBron" trip
He also makes more money than LeBron and cost the Knicks half their roster.
What? Seriously? I didn't take those guys seriously.
Did you take them seriously? I don’t think they took themselves seriously.
I seriously think they were serious
not that I took them seriously myself.
Also there’s a HUGE difference between the East and the West. Think facing the Lakers in the 1st round vs facing the Pacers. Also I have him at a .446 career playoff fg%, where are you getting yr stats? http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html
by superturboultra on Aug 12, 2011 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
LeBron may have never lost in the first round, but he did fail to make the playoffs twice in two of the weakest conferences in NBA history.
by superturboultra on Aug 12, 2011 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i think to carry the entire team
you would need to shoot phenomenally well. Especially if the thing that makes you good enough to cost a full team is your shooting ability.
yeah… still bitter. The fact that I cant watch this team at all is just making it worse.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Look ya'll don't get it twisted
I’m an ardent Melo supporter. He’s got more talent in his left nut than Gallo Chandler and Felton combined and I would do that trade 10 times out of 10 if given another chance. Melo gives you a shot, albeit not the best one, to win a chip and that alone makes him worth any combination of 3 non all-stars in the league. He has the ability to do what Nowitzki did this year, which puts him in very select company. He’s got all the talent in the world and is capable of unleashing it any time.
But he’s not better than Kevin Durant. Or Lebron James. Or Wade. At least not across any meaningful measurable span of time. He needs to take the next step, and while there are plenty of believers out there (me included) who are completely enamored with his skill and potential, the empiricists still have every reason to be skeptical, because it just hasn’t yet come to fruition.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 12, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said, rec’d
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Steve Nash, Howard, and Amar'e
plus fillers. Boom, championship
I would want
Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
as the big 3
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
round out the starting 5
wish some shooters and you got a sick team.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
My big three would be
STAT, Durant, Paul
We cant let Stat leave after he starting the rebirth of NYK
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by seton hall and steelers on Aug 10, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
AGREE, but if I could pick any three guys with no emotions It would be Paul, Durant/LeBron, Howard.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Oh yeah! Well my big 3 would be
Corey Maggete, Chris Bosh, and Baron Davis!
No but really I think I’d go:
D-Will
Amare
Dwight
by WSD on Aug 10, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
:)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
thats the obvious one
gimme lebron and you take the next 3 picks and my team’ll still son you. my second pick just wouldn’t be Wade.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 12, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
shumpert fields and jorts.. LOL xD
paul nowitzki howard..
Shumpert, Fields and Jorts might actually pass to each other
I don’t know about some of these other lineups!
by Robert Curre on Aug 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirk's good, but I would never spend a legitimate amount of money on someone his age if everyone in the NBA were available.
I know he’s the best PF in the game, but I can’t imagine it being worth it when he retires in a few years and the other 3 or 4 big threes are fully intact.
Paul Wade Lebron Amar’e Howard
Rose Kobe Durant Nowitzki Gasol
Deron Westbrook Melo Griffin (You choose the final big man)
Thats my 15. :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Corey Brewer, Earl Barron, and Spanoulis!
And I would spot every team 20 points!
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