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Knicks 91, Bobcats 87: "So, I guess that counts as a win."

Well, that was weird. Here's the super fast recap in case you don't feel like reading my blather: The game started. The Knicks fell behind 10-0 in, like, a minute. The Knicks stormed back in, like, a minute, then took a lead that wavered between four-ish and ten-ish for the rest of the night. Though they kept building momentum and seeming like they were going to break the game open, that never came to pass, and the Bobcats predictably tied things up heading into the final minutes. In those final minutes, D.J. Augustin drilled one impossible three but missed an easy one, and the Knicks made enough free throws in the meantime to escape with a win. And, indeed, it did count as a win, though, like Mikel L expressed in the postgame thread, it didn't quite feel like one. At least not near the end.

Take the jump to get into a little more detail.

Star-divide

- I'm grumpy even though the Knicks won, but consider this: The Knicks emerged victorious despite:

1. Shooting 38 percent from the field.

2. Getting 13-43 shooting from Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire.

3. Shooting 1-10 from downtown.

4. Getting 3 points from the bench. Three.

I'm pretty sure if you go back and add the score up, they Knicks lost. Seriously, though, if you're looking for the stat that cancels all that crap out, look no further than the 40 free throws the Knicks attempted, 30 of which they hit. The point is, they did what it took to win despite sputtering in several typically important modes of attack. Good teams have to do that from time to time, so...cool?

- Those free throws came predominantly from Melo and Amar'e, both of whom were otherwise suuuuper off in this one. For Melo, there were a handful of bad, forced shots or ill-conceived attempts to draw contact, but it seemed mostly like he was getting good, close looks that just wouldn't drop. We were told before the game that his back/hip/groin/leg/tail were all fine, but he did seem a little off at times, and Tyson Chandler mentioned after the game that he thought Melo was still hurting. Amar'e on the other hand, just forced and forced and forced. He made up for it with eight(!) offensive rebounds, all those free throws, and a few nice baskets off the catch, but there was still way too much dribbling directly into multiple defenders and heaving up bad shots while other guys were open. You can tell how much Amar'e's forcing by how often Mike Breen uses the phrase "right at" while describing his drives. Anyway, both stars made positive impacts on the game, (Amar'e's rebounding, Melo's passing, both of their free throws and whatever made shots they could muster) but neither was especially efficient or effective at all.

- Melo's passing, though, really had its moments. Oh m'goodness. He and Chandler have begun to harmonize just like we hoped they would, at least for stretches. Offensively speaking, the Knicks escaped from that ten-point sinkhole by moving the ball so snappily, and that often culminated in a crisp Melo-Tyson pick 'n' slip. Those two are getting better each game at synchronizing the lob and the basket cut, be it a backdoor sneak or one of them slipped picks. Shit was picturesque, and the rest of the Knicks got in the mood, too. We saw Melo lobbing for Amar'e, Iman Shumpert lobbing for Landry Fields, and-- my personal favorite-- Chandler hitting Shump way up high for a one-hand cram off a back screen.

- And yet again, the fourth quarter saw the Knicks dumping Melo the ball, then pretty much sitting cross-legged on the weak side while he tried to create something alone. I'm all for Melo being the go-to scorer in crunch time, but what about running the same sorts of on- and off-ball screens to shake the defense a bit and create lanes for Melo so he doesn't have to bushwhack 'em himself? I'm without DVR at the moment, so tell me if I missed something in that fourth.

- And part of what's aggravating about the above is that Iman Shumpert had been so sharp offensively earlier in the game. He made some splendid assists and finishes in transition, both off backcourt steals of his own and speedy coast-to-coast pushes. In halfcourt sets, Shump did well to start the ball moving (though he didn't generate many assists in set plays) and call his own number when appropriate. So, it was troublesome to see Iman fade down the stretch, not necessarily in terms of his usage, but just in his influence on any particular possession. Some of that may have been attributable to the Cramperts, which sidelined (baselined, really) him again in the closing minutes.

- [Reminds self that, cramps or otherwise, Shump is a rookie with only a few games' worth of pro experience and it's downright greedy to demand fourth quarter leadership from him this soon. Goddamn does he seem ready, though.]

- Regarding that chronic affliction, we've heard separately that Shumpert's legs are just prone to cramping and, from Iman himself, that it's a temporary consequence of his missing time due to the knee injury. Either way, it couldn't hurt to up Shump's potassium intake, right? He could snack on a banana or two at halftime, or just do what I do during every athletic endeavor and inhale four to six whole avocados in succession. The Knicks have always been big on conditioning and nutrients and things, so one can assume that they're hard at work on the Case of the Cramperts.

- I've put off two of this game's finer aspects long enough. One was Tyson Chandler, who I've mentioned in passing, but more than deserves his own bullet, if not a trophy or at least a certificate. Chandler, as he has pretty regularly thus far, repeatedly made himself available for interior feeds. And when he got fed, the guy tended to find a way to either tomahawk that shit hard enough to leave craters in the paint or-- at worst-- rope someone into fouling him. Chandler's 20 points were his high as a Knick, and he bought them for just eight field goal attempts. And that's not all! Tyson's rebounding, a force on both ends all night, was instrumental in the game's final minutes when the Knicks desperately needed to limit the possessions of those creepin' Bobcats. Chandler's defense, particularly as a helper, was also crucial to the Knick win. We've fussed before about his drifting too far from the paint, but Chandler gave that strategy a better name tonight by employing it with more conviction, trapping and practically consuming ballhandlers instead of merely roaming to lend a hand. Three blocks (two, by my account, at Tyrus Thomas's expense, which is an entertaining expense because he get so grouchy, and I say that as somebody who likes Tyrus Thomas. He's just such a wonderful sourpuss. Do you even remember what we were talking about outside this parenthetical break? Don't even bother going back out there. Just stay in here and make yourself comfortable. Want a popsicle? I'm just kidding. We don't have any. Go back to the sentence now. it was about Tyson Chandler's defensive stats) and three steals only tell part of that story. Splendid stuff, though it wouldn't have worked so well without...

- ...our second Fine Aspect of the evening: better defensive rotations. This wasn't an all-game thing-- they're not nearly there yet-- but tonight brought the longest stretches of impressive defense we've seen. Instead of token switching, we saw an increased effort to stay matched up properly, and that started with Shumpert on Augustin or Kemba Walker up top. For the most part, switches only took place in response to a solid pick. If Fields got clipped off the ball or if Shump got smothered in Boris Diaw's bosom, then the match-ups got shuffled as needed. Most importantly, the Knicks were finally diligent about the subsequent rotations that had to be made. Folks were accosting the open man before he got the ball instead of pointing and grunting at him while a shot was already aloft, as in previous games. Again, this wasn't a wire-to-wire phenomenon-- it was most notably absent in the opening and closing minutes-- but, for my money, it was as regular an event as it'd ever been this season.

- And the numbers seem to agree. The Bobcats-- Diaw in particular-- executed on open shots nearly as well as in Wednesday's game, but the Knicks didn't give them as many (I think). The team that shot 55 percent from the field, 64 percent from downtown, took 21 free throws, and turned the ball over 13 times last week went for 42 percent/37 percent/15/17 this time around. That is marked improvement across the board.

- One time Tyson Chandler dove on a loose ball only to have it roll between his legs. What I'm saying is it looked like Tyson Chandler pooped a basketball.

- Landry Fields was quiet, but had a couple nice finishes, didn't force things tooooo much, and did a far better job than last time at hounding Gerald Henderson over screens and helping when called upon.

- Loose Amar'e Stoudemire notes:. 1. Yet another double-digit rebound game for the apostrophe. It was another game flush with rebound opportunities, and he could still be snaggling 'em at a higher rate given the defense he plays, but it's still nice to see Stoudemire grabbing a couple more boards per outing. 2. The drives were really ugly, but Amar'e single-handedly kept the Toney Douglas-led Knicks afloat in the early second quarter by repeatedly getting to the line. He did all of New York's scoring (9 points) in the first four minutes or so of that period.

- It pains me to report this, but nothing was really "Toney Douglas-led". It was another short stint for Douglas, with little in the way of scoring, nothing even resembling point guardsmanship, and little to show on defense besides a face-first collision with DeSagana Diop's backside that knocked Toney supine with little stars and chirping birdies circling his head for the umpteenth time this season.

- I hate the word "umpteenth" and I'm sorry for using it. On the other hand, I would like to have a Sweet Umpteen party every year.

- One lovely sequence: Amar'e shanks a dunk so hard that the ball rockets backwards and practically assists a D.J. Augustin layup going the other way-- only Augustin misses the layup and ignites a counter-fast break, which ends in Melo getting a clean look inside...and missing.

- Mike Bibby, fresh off a couple fine three-point outings, had pretty much nothing to offer in six minutes (apparently his knee's acting up now. Always something). Neither did Bill Walker in his fifteen. Josh Harrellson at least grabbed a bunch of rebounds, humped folks into some turnovers, and had the most nonchalant, thought-it-was-a-dead-ball put-back attempt rim out in the first half. I vote for more Renaldo Balkman and I mean it. Especially if the Knicks are moving the ball (which, to be fair, they haven't been in the units with which Humpty would usually spin. Still.)

- As I mentioned earlier, D.J. Augustin hit a ludicrous fall-away corner three over Bill Walker (who had a beat or two to give a foul if he so chose) to cut the Knick lead to one with ten seconds left...then bricked a wide-open attempt that would have tied the game at the buzzer.

So, it could have been cleaner, and the ending left a bit of a sour aftertaste, but the Knicks beat a team that'd previously blown them out, and they did so with improved defense and spurts of offensive splendor. We'll take it, right?

That's three straight wins and a 5-4 record with the very lively Sixers next on the schedule. That'll be a bigger test.

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Very excited to see how this team comes out against the 76ers, hopefully Melo will be at least somewhat healthy by Wed

Is anyone else a little concerned about the minutes our starters are playing? I’d like to see us get a few more blowouts or at least give the rookies more burn when possible, particularly Harrellson to spell Chandler and Amar’e.

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 10, 2012 4:40 AM EST reply actions  

Oh god what it is late

By healthy I mean healthier and by “rookies” i mean bench

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 10, 2012 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

im sitting, all comfy in the parenthetical break, waiting on a popsicle

when you become the bearer of bad news “we dont have popsicles…” What kind of BS thing you running here??? it was all comfy and cosy in there…

by blackhova on Jan 10, 2012 5:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Either way, you still don’t have a real popsicle. Seth just gave you the gift of disappointment, and for that we thank him, amen.

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

No way man

It’s OK to give someone a popsicle in a parenthetical break, or to not ask someone if he wants popsicles and then not give him one, but the one thing you should never do is invite someone into a parenthetical break, ask him if he wants a popsicle, and then not give him one!

by Joamiq on Jan 10, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize

on behalf of the people who wrote that parenthetical break. They were really being obnoxious while I was trying to just write my recap without interruption.

by Seth on Jan 10, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

bench bench bench...

gutty win ’gainst the cats, but yet another glaring example of the TOO unpredictability of bibby and bully. yeah, they both tease us with occasional bursts of outside shooting, but no way are they enough.

our starters all played almost 40 minutes.

maybe it’s time to hit the bayhawks up for a mike james delivery… we need reinforcements IN A BAD WAY. and yeah, at least balkman can be counted on to do what balkman does.

by bucketsncents on Jan 10, 2012 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

I kind of like anybody better than Bully

I’m not sure what skill he brings to be getting minutes on the floor. His shot is so inconsistent, he rarely attacks the basket, and when he does, he charges or pushes off. On defense he has the ability to be good, but he is lazy and doesn’t commit to a switch or fighting over a screen, and he rarely closes out with any conviction.

I’d so much rather play Balkman or Novak

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by WSD on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it sucks we're arguing about whether...

bully or balkman deserve getting more playing time doesn’t it!

by bucketsncents on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way 51% shooting for a guy who has been basically a dunker for his whole

career is terrible shooting Mindfeck. I mean it is not like Balkman takes a bunch of mid range jumpers. But anyway, the fact that we are arguing over Balkman or Bully is just a sign that while the teams topside talent is upgraded, this is far from a complete roster.

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

just compare jeffries and Balkman

they both take few shots. Balkman makes more than half and can dunk. Jeffries can’t. Obviously Balkman is not a good shooter but Jeffries is worse.

by mindfeck on Jan 11, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

What does the team need more?

bully provides points and balkman provides rebounds. Both provide fouls.

D’antoni seems to believe its points. Can’t disagree with only 4 points coming off the bench last night. If TD ever gets it together then Balkman seems like he’d be the proper choice. Then again D’antoni seems to have an aversion to Balkman.

by erniesto on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Every coach in the NBA has an aversion to Balkman.

The guy is not a good NBA player plain and simple. If we had better players on the bench no one would even be talking about Balkman. Isn’t this a dude most of yall wanted to be amnestied or traded? So please let us not act like Balkman is a 6th man of the year candidate. D’antoni has actually used him properly. Balkman is mostly a garbage time player or an emergency defender when there is foul trouble up front. Let us stop making him things he isn’t.

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not horrible though

a good rebounder for his size and can take it to the rim. He’s not particularly skilled, but he has pretty good instincts and hustles with the right intent, instead of just hustling for hustlings sake.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is that the new found affection for Balkman here is the result of

1. Our bench kinda of sucks right now big time.
2. There is a considerable lack of talent on the bench, especially from a consistency standpoint.
3. We love to over hype the scrub of the moment.

Acting like Balkman should be getting 20 mins a game off the bench is stone cold silly. The guy simply is limited in what he can give you. And it is not like he has actually been buried, he has played in 7 of the teams first 9 games.

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yea we agree

i just don’t think he’s entirely useless.

If Steve Novak shoots anything less than 45% from three on the other hand, he should be cut.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 10, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

The guy is alert on defense, moves the ball well on offense, plays hard on both ends… shooting 42% from 3 wouldn’t be good enough?

by Joamiq on Jan 10, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

he's soooo slow

on defense especially.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 10, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet he's still a better defender than Amare

It’s about how you use your tools as much as it is about the tools themselves. Novak is limited, but he’s shown that he can play.

by Joamiq on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Um

I would not say that Steve Novak is a better defender than Amar’e.

by flossy on Jan 10, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

steve novak can shoot 3s

and thats it

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is probably more than Bully does

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by WSD on Jan 11, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

I resent that! I’ve consistently over-hyped Balkman from day one! Never been an “of the moment” thing!

by Seth on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

D'Antoni?

Your love for D’Antoni needs to be corrected again.
The guy does not use Balkman properly along with the rest of players on the roster.

Shumpert should be a starting two
Anthony should be a starting three
Stoudemire should be a starting four
Chandler should be a starting five

That leads us to the starting one point guard.
As of now it should be by committee until next year when we can address this issue.
L.Fields should be the backup three
B.Walker should be the backup two
J.Harrellson should be the backup four
Balkman can come in for defensive purpose when needed. Maybe three minutes in each quarter.
So th eproblem is point guard done by committee for this year.
Not putting round pegs in square holes like your D’Antoni seems he can do to win.
The guy is short changing the fans and has been doing it ever since him came here.

by Dziedzic on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Since we're talking about where players should play

Bill Walker is a backup SF too, fyi

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by WSD on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Should be backup guard

L.Fields and R.Balkman should be backup small forwards.

by Dziedzic on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

for those complaining

about lack of movement by the rest of the team wehn Melo is iso’ed, Balkman is your man. He’s great at cutting to the rim when nobody is looking and getting easy feeds.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 10, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This was the first game i have missed this year happy with the win

but concerned with the over reliance on the starting 5 although I think the team will look a lot diference with Boom back health permitting

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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:46 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully there’s an accumulative effect once Bibby gets back, so that not only is the bench improved by Shumpert (or Fields or whomever), but also the other guys on the bench can be more productive in an overall more capable unit.

by paxon on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Starting to think our best backcourt might be Boom and Shump

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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That seems to be the 2:00 drill team, yes

Although I like the idea of Shump coming off the bench and getting reps at PG so we’re not completely reliant on a Davis/DWTDD rotation at that spot.

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

PG not WTDD

Just gotta keep saying it

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think everyone should chill

It was one game with no bench scoring. If it happens for a run of games, it’s a problem. For now, I think our bench is OK. Douglas at some point WILL start to score off the bench.

by Joamiq on Jan 10, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Great game by Chandler

He’s rapidly becoming my favorite Knick. Without him, this would have been a Bobcats blowout.

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 7:12 AM EST reply actions  

I love his dunk style

always have

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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking for a silver lining here:

I have always wanted the Knicks to win a game where they suck at shooting (especially from 3). I forget how he phrased it, but Jeff Van Gundy had an awesome quote about being more impressed with players who could find a way to scrap out a win even when their shot wasn’t falling.

Too many times we’ve seen this team live and die by the 3 ball, and I found it really refreshing to see them get a win on a night when they couldn’t shoot the ball in the ocean.

Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 10, 2012 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Didn’t see this game, but I know from watching boxscores the last few years that incidences of the Knicks shooting this badly – particularly the 1-10 from downtown – and actually pulling out a win against any opponent are rare.

Winning these types of games is really what seems to seperate the good teams from the mediocre ones.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

True

The low number of 3’s was almost shocking. The folks that are always clamoring for the Knicks to take less 3’s should take notice.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Jorts in particular pass up some open 3s

I have confidence that he’ll hit them in time, but it’s wise for him to pass on the shots until he works out the kinks in his stroke

by Joamiq on Jan 10, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Traditional Knick Win

It’s not just a silver lining. I know it’s the Boobcats, but if the Knicks can manage to pressure other teams into shooting that kind of percentage, I just might relent on my calls to fire Mikey D! That shit was beautiful to me.

by chin8tao on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm also very pleased with Amare's renewed affection for rebounding.

I think it could be Tyson’s influence (I hope it is).

Also, someone (I think it was Flossy) mentioned in the game thread that D’antoni’s substitutions are starting to reflect a chemistry developing between the duo of Melo and Chandler and the duo of Shump and Amare.

That’s great news because we’ve all seen Melo and Chandler in sync this season, but I think a lot of us were worried about where Amare was going to fit in, and it’s good to see that someone on this roster (Shump) is able to get him the ball where he needs it.

Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 10, 2012 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully Baron Davis will amass a quick sum of chemistry with all of them, so Shumpert can watch him do his thing and learn a bit more. I love that we’re going to be able to run multiple playmakers out there, because in the playoffs against the Heat and Bulls, we’ll need that.

The reason the Bulls couldn’t beat the Heat wasn’t that the Heat had those three stars, it’s because LeBron was able to tie up Rose when the game was on the line. Having more than one playmaker is something the Bulls have still not addressed, but hopefully the Knicks have.

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

I mentioned this in the game thread, but I’m just not that impressed with STAT’s rebounding. It’s definitely irrational, but it’s true. It’s great that he had those o-boards, but on the other end of the court he was supremely lazy all game long.

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree

I don’t care about the number of rebounds he gets as much as seeing him go after them with gusto, as Clyde might say. Even when he gets double digit rebounds there are always at least a half dozen times per game when he’s totally aloof when a shot goes up and doesn’t even think about boxing someone out.

by Joamiq on Jan 10, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Now a want a (popsicle)...

We won that’s all that counts… but man we need some scoring from our bench!!!!

by robk on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

I don't mind us getting the ball to Carmelo and letting him do his thing down the stretch.

We have one of the best pure scorers in the league on our team and we should at least take advantage of it.

But can’t we at least be intelligent about it? Don’t just hand him the ball and stand back. At least create some sort of favorable mismatch or situation for him.

Remember the Raptor game? Everyone knew they were going to give the ball to Bargnani, but they didn’t just give him the ball and say, “Alright now, let’s see you go 1 on 5.” They spaced and set a screen in such a way that he had guys like Fields and Douglas on him. Then he went to work.

I know that those mismatches had a lot to do with our switching, but there are still things we can do to put Carmelo in a better situation. Honestly, right now I don’t see any creativity. They just dump him the ball no matter who’s on him.

Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 10, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Even if they know what’s coming, it’s not like Melo’s man will be able to fight through a Chandler pick. It’s not even a creative thing, because it’s pretty obvious, so I’m not sure what the problem is.

Maybe for some reason Melo would rather fight through a defender or two hanging on him, rather than wind himself running a lap around the court to go thru the screen? That’s possible, right?

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Just spitballing here

I find it hard to believe that D’Antoni has never considered the potential of getting his star player a mismatch at the end of the game.

Maybe he’s concerned about the lack of cohesion on the team, and is worried that all the slippery fingered backcourt buddies on this team will throw the ball away?

by superturboultra on Jan 10, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the man is not stupid (although he is irrationally stubborn at times).

I am looking forward to crunchtime becoming less of an adventure though.

Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 10, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Knicks are afraid to fail in the end of games

Hence, they are funnelling the ball to Melo. Not sure if it’s D’antoni telling them to do it, or D’antoni giving them the freedom to decide and the ballhandlers not wanting to turn the ball over. Shump is an aggressive guy but in the end he’s deferring too. I do think that having Baron out there will solve this issue a lot. As for Shump, he has to learn and get a bit more confidence, but I think he will. I really like where we are headed.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of crazy that it's even remotely reasonable

to say “our 4-game-old rookie is deferring too much to Carmelo Anthony down the stretch of a close game.”

Not that I disagree, I would have liked it if he showed the same aggressiveness at the end of the 4th (cramps notwithstanding) as midway through the game. It also makes Melo’s job easier if he doesn’t have to do 99% of the work. I guess I’ll wait ‘til Shump has played, I don’t know, 7 or 8 NBA games before I expect him to be a stone cold killer in the clutch.

by flossy on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

He better get it in the next two games

Or it’s fire D’antoni for sure!

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

4 games and his second career start as well!

Hell he should be telling Melo, move over fool I got this, go get a rebound!

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind it but I don't think it should be in the game plan or anything.

Melo is a natural scorer. He can pretty much get his shot anytime so why be so predictable and lean so hard on him in the 4th?

We look good when the ball is moving, I’d rather them keep doing what they’re doing until our opponents can stop it and then go to Melo to perhaps lull the rest of the defense to sleep before switching it up again.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding said popsicles

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/1/2/2677890/game-thread-knicks-vs-raptors-1-2-12#87392357

If we get this down to 5 by the half, everyone gets free popsicles.

That never happened, thus no popsicles.

The alley-oops were hilarious, and got the crowd right back into the game after that weird 10 point handicap they were given to start the game.

by rzor on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

As much as I wish we had more time...

Thats it… preseason is over. Take a look at the next few games. It’s time to see what this team is made of.

by The Monsieur on Jan 10, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Tyson Chandler

Is freaking HUGE. Watching him sky to grab the alley oops was like someone shot a battleship or a 737 out of a cannon. Nobody on Charlotte wanted a piece.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Jan 10, 2012 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

DWTDD?

Anyone else more than a little concerned about TD? I think he’s hurting and lacking confidence, and basically contributing NOTHING!

I’m glad we got the win, but we can’t continue to tax our starting five this way. We need positive contributions from TD and at least one other player each night if we are to survive this schedule.

by NY Tony on Jan 10, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Toney needs to go on a vision quest

Find his spirit animal or something. Channel the ghost of Pete Maravich. You know, like that Wayans brother movie.

by Jeff Van Gumby on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

aaaaaayyyyyyy

Peter: Brian, there’s a message in my Alphabits! It says, “Oooooo!”
Brian: Peter, those are Cheerios

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bounding and Astounding

Loving Chandler on the boards! We’ve been missing that for a long time. Stoudemire’s also been great on the boards.

...driving and mesmerizing

by mwu56 on Jan 10, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

I'll absolutely take it.

I mean it’s Charlotte but they’re still a competitive professional basketball team. For the most part we looked in control the whole game but the thing that I like the most is that coming in at .500, in the past this was a game it just feels like we would have lost. It would have been what we know as a more traditional Knicks game, where we blow the lead in the 4th only to get blown out or go back and forth, get within two then collapse in the 4th before getting blown out.

So I’m glad. a wins a win but this one just seemed like one of the ones we would have let get away in the past.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 10, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

First of all, props to Seth for another great recap.

I actually think the return of Jared Jeffries will be a big net positive for this team.

by 100% dundee on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i think JJ is where

the 5-10 min spell of Chandler comes in

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

a skinny guy who can't rebound is a poor excuse for a center

Harrellson or Jordan can stand in at center and just tell them not to shoot outside of 5 feet.

by mindfeck on Jan 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

They haven't cut Jeffries yet?

Is anyone still expecting him to get play time with Harrelson developing?

by erniesto on Jan 10, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Shump looks good

Which is good, because Douglas, does not.

by JWurm on Jan 10, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

The officiating in yesterdays game was stinkin crap.

One awful call resulted in a later “makeup” awful call. Like a hockey game.

by bababooey2 on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Shh!

I think the “awful” officiating helped us more than the Cats… so don’t complain bout it. lol

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Landry REALLY needs to find a jumpshot.

That one from inside the three point line that ended up being about four feet too short of the basket… ugly. I still feel that Toney’s next shot will go in no matter where it comes from (unless it’s a layup). With Landry, if his jumper comes CLOSE to going in it’s almost like it’s ok at this point.

I like ’em both and really hope they break out of their respective slumps… but how nice would a 2-guard be that could consistently hit an open jumpshot? Maybe adding Baron will change everything, with Shump starting at the two (his jumper has been SO much better than advertised) and TD and Landry making up our second unit (as long as their mixed in with other currently functioning offensive options until they improve).

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

Our starting 2 guard + bench contributed 8 points, total. Hard to win games that way.

by flossy on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

these guys have no balls.

Shump I do have to say he plays with the swagger of a ballplayer in his prime. Landry and TD are talented, we all know they’ve had many good games but for some reason they’re just playing with a lack of confidence.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't hate on Fields

when most of the team played like poo this game.

At times it looked like a 5th grade playground game..

Fast break.. miss lay-up.. rinse and repeat.

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...

by Giantssincesix on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed about this game...

meant from what I’ve seen in the admittedly small sample size of the season.

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

btw STAT

stop complaining all the time.

there was one play where you were clearly fouled. but you stopped playing and even though Jorts got the O board, his layup missed and the ball sailed right over your outstretched complaining hands into a bobcats trying hands.

It was maybe, the worst play I have ever seen a player play. If anything deserved boo’s it was that.

Seriously, shut the fuck up. complaining to refs has never changed a call. ever. for anyone. I mean, I know you never foul anyone and yet you get fouled all the time, but please let it go and just play the game.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

I've noticed this too from STAT

It’s really annoying. I concede there may be a benefit to working the ref. But, dude, keep your head in the play, and if you want to complain, wait until a stoppage. Missing a rebound or letting a guy score or beat you down the court because you are whining to a ref is wheeak.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And the WAY he does it...

“And 1!!” or whatever other reaction he does is more likely to annoy the ref than anything else. He should just let the ref know he was whacked and let it go. A lot of times he does that AFTER his initial reaction, but the damage is already done by that point.

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

NO a real coach wouldn't!

Kobe does that shit all day long, Phil Jackson all 11 rings of Phil Jackson never pulled him for it. Real coaches understand you talk to him about it in private, you do not show him up in a game. Why? Ask Paul Westphal. When coaches get into pissing contests with Players that owners believe the franchise revolves around, it is the coach ont the player who loses.

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't watch every single Lakers game

But Phil definitely called out Kobe in public and wrote books about him. And it’s not like Kobe was a defensive liability out there. So not comparable.

by mindfeck on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike D is gonna write a book

called: “Seven Seconds or JUST GET THE REBOUND AND PLAY D YOUR ALMOST 7 FEET TALL FOR PETE’S SAKE”

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention

if he didn’t stop to complain he could have easily gotten a dunk instead of Jorts missing that lay up

by ubd on Jan 10, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This game proves that

Bill Walker is better then Landry Fields and should be the starting 2

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...

by Giantssincesix on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

If Bully finds his OWN jumpshot

I wouldn’t mind at least considering it, but it’s been MIA. As part of the starters, all he would need to do is hit that open 3, which Landry can’t do at this point. And he’s even shown a greater effort on D and rebounding, so if he does start hitting again consistently, it’s worth having the conversation about him being a starter. And that would last only until Baron is playing for us.

And of course, with how often Bully fouls, Landry would be subbing in before ya know it anyway. ;-)

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Tommy Beer of Hoopsworld sez

that 3 points is the lowest bench scoring output in one game for the Knicks since 1971!

by flossy on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Wait!! Is that 31.6 years???

Ok, it’s not… but kinda close. ;-)

Let’s hope it takes that long before it happens again.

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what happens when you're distracted...

my math was a decade off…….. gotta be Tebow’s fault. lol

by Zhantee on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a sign

We are headed for a championship, just like we were in 1971!

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo puts his head down again, but don't hate him for it

Another game carried by Melo, particularly the infamous iso play.

There’s some legitimacy to those hating on Melo’s performance — while he’s definitely our most prolific scorer, he’s been pretty inefficient so far.

He’s a career 45.9% FG shooter. In the 9 games he’s played this season, though, he’s shot that well or better only 4 times. The other 5 times, he was well below that standard, including 23.1% shooting in the loss to Golden State, 35.7% in the win over Detroit, and 33.3% last night. He’s averaging 44.1% for the season so far — a significant drop for him.

If we’re going to rely on Melo to do so much of our scoring, then we need him to be shooting much more efficiently. That, of course, will happen if Melo gets better shots, which, of course, will only happen if the ball moves around more. And that means less iso play.

However, Melo does seem to be taking his new role as “point-forward” seriously. He’s averaging 4.4 assists/game — a huge improvement over his career average of 3.1. He also has the most assists of anyone on the team.

Improvement is really going to come not so much from Melo stepping down but from other Knicks stepping up. Shumpert’s promotion is a good first step towards getting better ball movement, more team assists, and better team shot selection, and the introduction of Davis should help out a lot too. Chandler’s starting to show us what he can do too. But Stoudemire still has to work on getting his game back, and Fields and the entire Knicks bench are looking pretty weak right now. When these guys sort themselves out, the whole team is going to look a lot more balanced.

by sisterray24 on Jan 10, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Why the whining

Did they win the game yes they did.
Did they hold a team to 87 pts that just a week ago lit them up for 118? Yes they did.
Did they win a game despite getting 3 points from the bench? Yes they did.
Did they win a game that in years past they would have lost? Yes they did.

And a side note Landry Fields only scored 5 points but grabbed 6 rebounds and played solid defense. All I hear is about how Landry Fields is a role player, well how about understanding what a role player is folks. Landry is not on the floor to score, he is on the floor to do what he did last night. Shumpert, Anthony, And Amare put up 56 of the teams’ 79 shots last night, so the last thing the Knicks needed was another guy looking to shoot! The last couple of games Fields has done his job. Keep it up Landry and fuck all the haters!

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Landry's shot is so off and he's better suited to SF

So he should be playing SF off the bench with a bit of SG, definitely not guarding Dj Augustin and leaving him wide open. Definitely not shooting when he has no arc to his shot.

by mindfeck on Jan 10, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He attempted 6 shots and two of those were dunks. So obviously he is not forcing up shots, but finding other ways to contribute.

And given that Bill walker was 0-2 and averages a foul every 4.5 minutes and Toney Douglas cannot hit the side of a building right now with a shot, all of your arguments about Fields playing SF are not really important whether he should or not, really there aren’t any other options on the roster right now. Start Walker? Why dude would foul out be half time. Start Douglas, why he is actually playing worse than Fields offensively. Start Bibby maybe? Hell no he can’t guard me. So applaud Landry for realizing his limits and finding other ways to contribute and move along!

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agreed with start Walker

Maybe he’d foul less if he’s starting. 2 fouls and he’s out of there. Then Landry can come in. I don’t know why he reworked his shot. Players with new shots aren’t ready to start.

by mindfeck on Jan 10, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know why he reworked his shot.

’Cause the coaching staff told him to?

by flossy on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No coaching staff in the world would teach anyone to shoot like that

If he’s trying something the coaching staff taught him, he’s failing to do it right.

by sisterray24 on Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

its about muscle memory

Seriously, folks when you break down an athletes mechanics it takes time for that guy to commit those mechanics to muscle memory. Shooting like swinging a golf club, tennis racket, or baseball bat is about the ability to repeat your mechanics without thinking. That takes muscle memory and there isn’t a way to speed up that process. But it needed to be fixed, teams close out on Landry faster now than when he was a rookie and his release was too low and too slow. Normally this would have been done in the off-season and training camp, but this isn’t a normal season so the guy has to do it in season. Once he has the reps in the shot will get better

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Beer Pong Law

Also, in an attempt to debunk the SG v. SF, can someone explain the difference in a Melo-less D’antoni offense? Because I’m pretty sure that I can’t.

by erniesto on Jan 10, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes it takes a whole lot of repetition

Sometimes years. So why would that guy still be starting when he’s not ready? Shouldn’t he be focusing on his strengths?

by mindfeck on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Not fair

Amar’e was late down the floor, so Landry closed on Diaw who had the ball and can hit a 3. Therefore Diaw swung it to Augustin, who may have been a little rushed and missed the shot.

If Landry had stuck on Augustin, and Diaw had buried the tying tre, Landry would probably get shit for that too.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

this was almost written in Dziedzician

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 10, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think you know

why there’s whining. They barely won a game on the last possession that they should have blown open in the 3rd. The bench didn’t show up to play. The shooting from Melo, Stoudemire, and Douglas was terrible. Diaw once again looked like an All-Star (actually, like two All-Stars).

They won, but they didn’t win well, and so we whine.

As for Fields, I’m baffled by what you’re saying. Fields is on the floor to play like he played until March of last year: scoring double-digits, contributing a good haul of rebounds and assists, and playing real defense. You know, playing a well-rounded game of basketball. He’s not there to be a role player. That he’s been reduced to a role player is an indication of how far he’s fallen.

The Knicks certainly need another guy looking to shoot. It’s a BAD thing that 70% of the team’s FGAs come from 3 players — it makes our offense obvious and easy to defend. Wonder why Stoudemire and Melo shot a combined 30.2% from the field? How about because it was obvious what they were gonna do and so easy to defend them?

The Knicks should continue to turn to Melo and Stoudemire as Plan A on offense. But these guys need to be able to count on their teammates to pitch in as well in order to keep the defense honest. If Fields can’t be that guy, then he shouldn’t be a starting SG. The thing is that we all know that Fields CAN be that guy, since we’ve seen him do it on many occasions in the past. That’s why we’re calling on him to step up more.

6 rebounds and 5 assists is a fine contribution. 2-6 shooting in 37 minutes of play is inadequate, and is undoubtedly part of the reason the Knicks struggled on offense yet again. Fields should step up more.

by sisterray24 on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

the starting line up scored 88 points

meaning they outscored the Bobcats team by themselves. You want a blow out well then you need more than 3 points off the bench. Get 13 points off the bench and the Knicks win by 14 pts! The Knicks have the worst bench in the league and therefore all the ranting and raving about Landry not starting is just blowing a bunch of smoke.

There isn’t a better option on the roster right now. Sure you could start Bill Walker but he commits so many stupid fouls that Landry would end up playing 30 mins off the bench anyway cause dude would stay in foul trouble. And again people learn basketball. If you are not shooting well and you are the 5th option on the floor then it is better to not shoot unless you are wide open or right at the rim. That is what he did. As for him socring double digits, did you watch the Knicks. You guys were slurping on Landry’s nuts last year and dude had plenty 5 pt 6 rebound games prior to Melo coming to town. Fields averaged double digits last year because every 5th game or so he had a scoring binge. he was never a steady 10 pts a game. Fields is a smart player. If it is not there do not force it and find other ways to contribute. Grabbing 6 defensive rebounds leads to stops. So his 6 rebounds prevent the bobcats from scoring another 12 points at the least. He also had 5 assists which helped the offense. That is why the man was a +5 when he was on the floor. There is more than one way to help a team win. Grabbing rebounds and getting assists, and playing defense when you are not shooting well helps teams win games. I would rather have a Landry Fields realizing he can’t throw it in the ocean and finding other ways to contribute than say a guy like Gilbert Arenas or Nate right now who even though they are colder than an iceberg continue to jack up jumper after jumper after jumper! Fields helped his team win a game last night. I am sorry if you cannot see it.

by Robert Curre on Jan 10, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

but nate won the dunk contest!

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 10, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If Fields or Douglas take shots and hit only a third of them, they are lambasted for chucking. If they don’t shoot much, then they are not ‘contributing’ enough.

The offensive flow is very sporadic right now. If there’s no flow, and someone’s going to have to take an out of rhythm, contested shot, it should be Melo. But of course you have to keep working on getting the flow going, and getting guys like Fields and Douglas open shots in rhythm. The fact that their bench scored only 3 points is not because their bench players suck per se – it’s because the offense had crappy flow last night, as it’s bound to have until the team gets a little more used to playing with each other.

Meanwhile, keep playing D. Their defensive chemistry was good last night.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

when you at least play D

and have Melo, you could theoretically win any game.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 10, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. It is.

If you take bad shots, you get criticized. If you’re so unconfident or inept at shooting, then you get criticized. I would like to see Fields get his confidence and his game back, and to start taking smart shots so that he can contribute about 10 pts/game, as he has in the past. Is there supposed to be some contradiction there?

I agree that Fields will likely do better once the rhythm and flow gets settled. With TD, I’m hoping, but there seem to be serious problems with every aspect of his game right now. But I’m rooting for both these guys.

by sisterray24 on Jan 10, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

?!

I didn’t say that Fields shouldn’t start. I am suggesting that we need him to contribute more scoring in the future. That doesn’t strike me as even controversial. It doesn’t mean that I’m discounting the contributions he did make last night. And it certainly doesn’t mean that I’m satisfied with how the bench performed last night.

You are demonstrably wrong about Fields’s performance last season. Landry played all 82 games last season and had a total of 18 games all season in which he scored 5pts or less. He scored double-digits in 40 games. He certainly did not rely on scoring binges every fifth game to keep his average at 9.7pts/game — in fact, he broke 20 only twice! He did it by coming in and making baskets in 80% of the games he played. You just got this completely backwards.

Forcing shots is obviously a bad idea. Finding ways to get good shots and not be ice cold 5 games in a row is obviously a good idea. Fields needs to step up his game.

Of course, even if you can’t score, there are lots of other ways to contribute, and Fields did just that last night. That said, grabbing 6 defensive rebounds does not usually prevent the opposing team from scoring “another 12 points at least,” as you claim. Not even the Knicks give up 2pts/possession!

I’m not sure what you’re on about, but you’re way off base here.

by sisterray24 on Jan 10, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No. I didn't realize that.

Robert said Fields contributed scoring 1 out of 5 games last year; I said Fields contributed scoring 4 out of 5 games last year. That is not the saying the same thing.

Robert said that grabbing 6 rebounds prevents the other team from scoring “another 12 ponts at least”; I said that is not the case as not even the Knicks are giving up 2pts/possession. That is not saying the same thing.

Robert said “Landry is not on the floor to score” and shouldn’t change that; I said that Landry needs to contribute scoring. That is not saying the same thing.

Robert said that, because I think Landry needs to contribute scoring, I must not have seen the way he helped his team win last night; I said that, his other contributions notwithstanding, more is needed from Landry in the future. That is not the same thing.

So, no, I didn’t realize that my post is saying exactly what Robert was saying. Because it isn’t. Robert and I seem to agree that Fields is contributing and should continue starting. We also agree that the bench needs to contribute more. We disagree about whether Fields should be contributing more scoring, with Roberts presenting an utterly fictional account of Fields’ play last year and the impact of his current contributions, and me countering that fictional account with actual stats.

by sisterray24 on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude,,,,

Enough

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by WSD on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

It’s like mental masturbation.

by bababooey2 on Jan 11, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Preach, Currence!

A rec for you!

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by WSD on Jan 11, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Anybody else watch the Fix on the Basketball Jones???

I’m so freakin sick of Tas hating on the Knicks even when they win a game. I mean, yes, this wasn’t the most demonstrative win but that douchebag just loves to have the chance to rant about how the Knicks aren’t as good as their 5-4 record for 20 seconds after he waxes poetic about the brilliance of the Raptors in their win over the Timberwolves and Bargnani’s All Star dreams for 25 minutes. Maybe they’ll devote a full 3 minutes to the Knicks when we beat Philly tomorrow night but I’m sure he’ll find some reason to deride a win regardless.

by robk on Jan 10, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Who cares?

Knick haters are ubiquitous. I just think about how idiotic they will look when the Knicks start clicking and sticking.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 10, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch it

But the Knicks have played such weak opponents it’s ridiculous. 76ers have been the best in the NBA so far.

by mindfeck on Jan 10, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

if you didn't watch then you really don't know what's going on

Your 76ers have also played against sorry teams. Your point? I guess you consider the kings a good team? that’s who they beat tonight and they beat on a bunch of sorry teams. I am not saying they’re not good but to say they’re “great” is a bit premature. Let’s see when they play some real teams and as the season goes on. Philly also made the playoffs last year and were coming together so they should be an above 500 team in the weak east but don’t sit here and say the knicks have beaten sorry teams while praising philly which also has beaten sorry teams.

by RASHADI on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They're not my 76ers

Based on strength of schedule and margin of victory, the 76ers are #1. Look at Hollinger’s chart. Knicks will have to play much better.

by mindfeck on Jan 11, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

"Hollinger's chart?" ..u serious?

Whatever happened to just looking at a team’s record/roster?

by bababooey2 on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Knicks didn't beat all of them

And the sixers destroyed teams the Knicks struggled to beat. They’ve played very well, and their record/roster are strong.

by mindfeck on Jan 11, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Knicks didnt beat all of them? They didnt even get to play all of them...

and secondly your obsessing over point differentials and opposing team’s record so early into the season is simply meaningless. By your standards then the Golden State warriors are the best team in the NBA because they beat the Heat, Knicks and Bulls….LETS GET READY FOR A TICKER TAPE PARADE IN GOLDEN STATE!!!!

by bababooey2 on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he qualified that

To be that if he was amnestied while injured the Knicks could get him while he’s still injured.

And no, the Warriors are not good because they also lost games. Plus Curry is battling injuries and they’re inconsistent. Overall the Knicks have played like garbage and the 76ers have been much hotter. Obviously things can change over the course of a season but that’s just how it’s been so far.

by mindfeck on Jan 11, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you have to recognize

that a team like the 76ers, who have almost a full returning cast from last season and are all young are in a great spot to start this lockout shortened season.

and a team like the knicks, who are all coming together for the first time, are older and have many players coming off of minor surgery are in a much worse position to start the season.

right? like… you have to see that…

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 11, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He's Canadian....He's a Raptors fan

So it’s very understandable to me why he wouldn’t want us to win or why he’d not like the team. Also we are far from polished. So outsiders looking in on our team may see things different from how we do.

Hell, I log on here and see Knick fans bashing Knicks so it can’t be that far fetched.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Very True...

I enjoy their show and their “reporting” is usually pretty even handed except when it comes to the KNicks and especially from Tas.

But, yeah, everyone’s a critic.

by robk on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

jealous

most Americans are jealous of NYC.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 11, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Funniest moment of the night

Stat missing the dunk and then Jorts casually shooting and horrendously missing a point blank bank shot

by MaxwellD on Jan 10, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Wait, I'm like 100% positive Tyson had at least a 22 point game against Sacramento

I didn’t imagine that did I?

I don’t think 20 is his Knick-high (insert joke here)…. but his efficiency was ridiculous

by hvino on Jan 11, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

420 is his knick-high!

/inserted

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 11, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, now you expect me to base my statements in fact?

Indeed, he had 22 against Sacramento. My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.

by Seth on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved that stretch after Charlotte went up 10-0

Not only did we storm back, but I felt like every basket in that run was just absolutely beautiful. Loving all the lobs we’re seeing and that will only increase with Baron’s induction into blue and orange (NO not the Cavs throwback jerseys- gosh). Melo and Tyson have already established some great chemistry that seems to do wonders for Tyson’s offense. Hopefully Amar’e and Melo can establish some more of that too. Man, I love Shumpert. I just love this rookie. And I’m also really proud of D’Antoni for playing this kid a lot… I know it’s actually a pretty easy decision, but I’ll give D’Antoni a head nod in approval over giving this kid the minutes he deserves.

by hvino on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

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