Postgame Thread: Grizzlies 94, Knicks 83
Well, that was...unpleasant. And not nearly as close as the score above. There'll be a short recap posted after I poke around in my eye socket with an icepick for a little bit.
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Seth didnt post it
but it needs to be put in the post game thread… Wheres the vomiting dude
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions
and i dunno
how to post pics
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see the image of a tree to the right of bold, italics, strikethrough, quote, link insert?
click on that and paste the link to the image
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Any game that Shump takes more FGs than Melo and Amare combined is a bad game
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Yeah he really destroyed any chance of us winning the game early on.
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I thought D'Antoni was the point guard whisperer
what kind of guard play is this?
all signs point to
steve nash being the D’antoni whisperer
by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my god this is correct
Luckily, Steve Nash is no longer whispering to D’antoni about defense.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
even more so
Amare + Shump + TD + Tyson = 10 for 43
Everyone else = 21 for 40
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Almost everything that could go wrong, did
Dunno how long Melo’s out. Gotta get ready for the Thunder
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions
These
Cop Dramas are so awful. We need Homicide or the wire back
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions
Really...
I have never been a D’Antoni hater but I’m not feeling a lot of intelligent leading from the coaching staff or from our 2 "superstars. Can’t somebody tell Shump “Stop fucking shooting and pass theball!!!!!!!!”
he cant run this offense
not his fault, but he cant
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when that girl did all that awesome stretching stuff?
That’s what I’ll choose to remember from tonight.
hehe yeah that was wonderful
i thought i saw a little CT actually…sad that that’s all we took from tonight.
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I'm having (minor) surgery tomorrow
and thinking about postponing because I need to drink a lot after that
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but can't they give you an IV to cure the hangover?
they do it for surgeons all the time
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haha i'll have to ask
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
the shittier the city
the sluttier the dancers. i think our girls do work. definitely the most competitive program. 
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It just dawned on me
If we get destroyed by OKC I could totally see MDA getting booted. I’m not sure how that makes me feel.
it would mean a lost season
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
That won't happen
You don’t make decisions like that based off of one or two bad games
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
but Dolan is impulsive, expectations are high and Woodson is on the bench.
by Chuck Burly on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
He might be impulsive but he isn't a moron
The season is still very young
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Dolan's NEVER been that sort of impulsive
Dolan waits too long to get rid of the fart making carcass that was here previously, but as far as firing too early? Never.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
MDA is not getting booted this season.
Some might think he deserves it, but he’s going to get at least one full season of Melo and Amare. He’s not going anywhere til the offseason at the earliest.
I pray that Shump gets some stern talkings to
it’s just one game, but if these bad habits continue, he’ll turn into TD 2.0
you mean every shot will look off as soon as it leaves his hand, and hit nothing but back rim - hard?
if that’s the case, then yeah, they better get to talking.
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The worst part was that they seemed like they hadn't even seen the Knicks before this
so they were spouting bullshit from the early minutes… but then the Knicks played so poorly it made their stupidity sound sage
That's what is going to bug me
From now on, they will think the Knicks are what they were tonight
Especially that asshat Miller.
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
and they are.
They absolutely are what they were tonight.
and by that I mean
inconsistent, lazy on D, no playmaker and no fire in their belly.
The Knicks D had been steadily improving before tonight
Before this game, they were one of the top teams in defensive efficiency
94 points ain't bad
though it ain’t stellar for this season
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not if you look closely
Other than the sixers yesterday, the only tems that the knicks really stopped defensively were the kings, wizards and pistons – not exactly your offensive powerhouses.
When they met up with a team that liked o run and gun (philly, charlotte) they got lazy.
and yesterday, the sixers were on their back-to-back-back game.
The worst part was what they were saying about Shump
Like, they clearly had not watched him play for a minute yet this season. They didn’t mention his D at all (in fact they completely ignored his first few steals tonight), said he wasn’t a natural point guard… when anyone who has watched him before tonight could tell you that what’s remarkable about him on offense is precisely how natural he looks running the point. And then he goes out and takes 20 shots and they’re agreeing with themselves about how he’s not a point guard. And people will take their words as fact.
Oh, wait...
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
right
my first non illegal cable stream game since christmas day and they look worse in hi-def then they do pixellated.
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Is Tyson's D really worth that contract so far?
zero offense most games (not even trying to shoot lately) and it seems clear the spacing is poor for Amare when Tyson is out there
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Sounds like a lot of research
but even if I can’t do it, which i wont try, I believe he hasn’t achieved the level of what he’s being payed. It’s possible all centers are overpaid, but that has no bearing on what one guy should be putting out given what he’s pulling in
Your beliefs are not necessarily a reflection on reality.
And I’ll let you know that prior to this game, you could have named Bargnani and thats it. If all centers are overpaid then none are. Law of averages.
It's not possible that all centers are overpaid
Whether or not they’re overpaid is a matter of their pay in relation to the market for centers
fair, but I'm not backing down.
I’m not saying he WONT be worth it; the original post said “so far”.
Also, for a team with a lot of other, possibly less expensive needs, and in a league with a salary cap and luxury taxes, money is still money. You can’t just isolate centers
Sure you can
Unless you intend to play without a center, you have to have one. And the market for centers is what it is.
Besides, seriously, Nene, who was the most coveted FA big man this past offseason, is making the same amount of money as Chandler this year. Chandler started slow while integrating into a new team and he’s STILL outperforming him.
I don't think we hate each other here
and I definitely root for Tyson. I still disagree about the money, but you’re making me feel a bit better about him, so thank you very much.
Haha, OK
I’m sorry if I came across as confrontational. I think we’re all a bit frustrated tonight.
I really am seeing signs of Chandler’s game with the Knicks developing though. For one example, early on in the season we got killed when he’d switch to a perimeter guy on defense, vacating the paint, and they’d hit someone down low for an easy bucket. When he switches like that now, he really gets up on the guy. It’s still not ideal, but it makes it much tougher for them to take advantage of the mismatch by getting the ball to an interior player. Then they have to work the ball around the perimeter to try to find another entry point. Little things like that are really helping this defense, and they weren’t there in the first few games. I’m willing to bet that the progress continues as the communication gets better.
I will admit though that I have no defense for why he got stuffed by Rudy Gay tonight…
definitely improving,
my bad too, i also can come off as confrontational when I’m not intending to, even in non-internet situations.
said improvement is why i believe he can grow into that value for sure.
many things from tonight will go unexplained until the end of time
I am guessing Bynum is paid less
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Yes.
They’re still working out the kinks, but until tonight his defense had been steadily improving. And even tonight he grabbed 11 boards.
9 in the first half
though I don’t know how much he played second half
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solid, yeah
I just thought he should have come away with more after that big first half
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I only caught the last quarter
I had been at MSG for the rangers (ugh), but it looked like he was the only one with a clue for the few plays I say (I could have been delirious, thought)
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
or at the free throw line!
which he was doing earlier
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No complaints about Chandler from me
He is SO not what is wrong with this team right now. He’s overpaid but it’s worth it
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
he was good over that winning streak
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i did it!
thanks astromets! ive never been able to do that before
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
no prob
I been around the block on these sbnation sites, know a few tricks
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yeah ive been posting since early 09
but never knew how to do it
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
well
There
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and 1 for 5
fail
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I know right, totally what happened on Christmas
Wait..what
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
well
wasnt the laker game on national
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
that really sucked some ass
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this is a weird thing to complain about
but it bothers me that D’Antoni rarely seems to get up in people’s faces when they screw up repeatedly. seems like a bit of a pushover.
I’d love to see this team with a John Tortorella type
mda seems to be a very conventional coach
the opposite coaching staff can pretty much nail his rotation and design matchup problems. But MDA simply does not adapt. Otherwise why not play lin / jj for some extended garbage minutes?
negative
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
OK
But I don’t think anyone can credibly claim that he doesn’t adapt when he’s not doing the one thing he’s most associated with.
abandoning your game plan and letting all hell ensue does not qualify for "adapting"
and he clearly can’t adapt to the players he has on his roster. Otherwise why would we always be talking about square pegs and round holes? A real coach, for instance Doc Rivers, is known for changing the holes (which are in the coach’s control moreso than the pegs) so that the pegs DO fit
It has been ELEVEN GAMES.
Tonight was hell. But I’m guessing D’Antoni’s game plan does not involve his rookie PG taking 20 shots. Let’s wait and see how things develop. The team looks different from how it did even 5 games ago.
though i think his apparent system,
or whatever he’s running, left the door or a window wide open to this happening with no consequences
that is exactly the problem
if he doesn’t have the playmaker to drive his ssol, he’s got nothing.
What?
He doesn’t have the personnel for ssol, so he’s not running it. Is that not the definition of adapting?
yeah, if he runs something else in its place.
what? he has got nothing except ‘if you see an open shot, take it’. That is the extent of his offensive genius.
I admit I haven't followed his career
but I’ve also seen no evidence of this apparent “offensive genius”
I don't know why you're putting that in quotes
I never used the phrase “offensive genius” or anything resembling it.
no, I actually feel this after three seasons
yeah, he had a constantly changing roster but his up tempo style clearly could not succeed without a great PG. Knowing that he was at least a year away from Chris paul, he did not seem to develop any alternative strategies that might work with a middling PG like Felton. Now, he is pinning his hopes on Baron Davis.
Which brings us back to – he has nothing else offensively, except his ssol run by a sharp pg.
In MDA's feable defense
This team has 9 8 players healthy and playing on an NBA level right now. And that’s being generous in including Balkman.
Shump overcame his leg cramps...
…and has now moved on to brain cramps.
j/k I still love you Shumpy.
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by Jeff W. on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He might have played head-strachingly terrible but I still love him also.
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
I just ate half a box of Chips Ahoy cookies
god, that game was depressing
i just googled pics of chips ahoy
at least you got to eat them
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I wish
Landry had been part of the Melo package. What a fall from grace.
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what r u talking about...he had a very landryesque game 9 points 6 rebounds 2 asssts, 2 steals, a three, and 3-5 from the line..
Try picking another game for a Landry slam. Not this one.
Who cares what the pundits and media say
If the team’s losing they’ll shit on you, if they’re winning they’ll jump on the bandwagon. Knicks lost so they suck. Beat OKC and it’s gravy. You are what the record says you are.
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions
Thats true...
…but that doesn’t excuse the team’s performance this year
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not, I'm just saying we needn't be concerned with losing on nat'l tv or with what Chuck or Reggie say
What matters is the play on the court. Knicks are 6-5. Not good, not terrible, they can be better than this. I think they will be
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
word
i misunderstood your post. i’ve been drinking.
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Serious lack of leadership for this team
Melo Amare and Dantoni dont hold the others accountable and the result is games like this one.
Completely Agree...
I feel one of us on this board could provide more motivation!!!
I'm glad others see this huge problem as well
it’s the underlying theme of and impetus for everything going wrong that is within the team’s control
+1
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Fuck.
At least the 2nd unit got some confidence. I guess. Whatever.
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by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions
Don't know about that
I didn’t think it was possible for another player to have a crappier FG% than Shumpert but low and behold TD does it.
This was a good thing. Shump was learning a lesson and MDA didn't bail him out.
Unfortunately with a rookie PG, we have some growing pains to go through. MDA let him chuck and chuck, and now he’ll make him watch that shit in excruciating detail and let him feel the burn from his teammates’ disapproval. He’ll learn and he’ll be better for it.
I kinda feel like the overriding problem is ...
that this team was put together the wrong way.
As a rough analogy, say you need furniture. You go and buy the most expensive sofa, the most expensive rug, and the most expensive coffee table. They don’t necessarily go together so they might clash. You still need an armchair and a dining room set so you hit Ikea and get some shit that does the job but isn’t really that great. In the end your apartment looks pretty good but it takes awhile for the pieces to work together and at the end of the day the Ikea shit breaks.
Maybe not that insightful but possibly an apt analogy…
i feel the problem is
that 2 of our key contributors from last season have regressed to the mean. let’s call it how it is – landry and DWTDD have fallen off badly from their numbers and contributions last year. Landry is looking like a late 2nd round pick, and Toney just looks….off. i mean his shot looks so unpretty leaving his hand. i don’t know if it was that ugly last year because they were going in, but it looks like he’s aiming it, with no arc, and they have almost no chance of going in the minute they leave his hand. and he’s not a great passer. so if he can’t shoot anymore, and never could pass, with no size, then what good is he really for the team right now?
MDA likes to go 8 or 9 deep. if 2 of those 8 are giving you nothing, that’s a big problem. moreso than stagnant offensive sets or bad shooting pct. from Amare. at least, IMHO.
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Its more like you have an obsolete computer and decide to upgrade the monitor, graphics card, sound card with the latest and greatest but run out of money and need to scrounge an old CPU out of the “As-Is needs repair” bin and don’t bother with the operating system, while keeping the half the old RAM and slotting in some newer RAM that’s incompatible with the old stuff.
You should try Linux
Totally free! Where can we get an open source point guard?
by superturboultra on Jan 13, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Every Knick player and coach should be strapped down and forced to watch this game tape on a loop
Quick Question : If every Knick looks lost and/or concussed on offensive end, what exactly is Mike D’Antoni’s contribution as coach? Other than telling everyone how good they can be, that is. I mean, because defense isn’t “his forte”. I’m becoming more and more convinced that he got Nash in his prime, told him to run, and duly cashed in when praise was disproportionally credited. I’m surprised they even broke 60 tonight.
This game gets filed into the “Benchmark” folder. Reality check, boys.
he doesn't have the personnel to run his offense of choice
get rid of him.
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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like I'm coming off as D'Antoni's biggest fan here
which I’m not. But let’s be fair. His gameplan was not for Shumpert to take 20 shots today. Shumpert chucked a ton of shots, making it impossible for the team to find any offensive rhythm, and then Melo got hurt. Then the backup plan, going to Amare, was foiled by a mixture of stellar D by Gasol and some questionable officiating. I’m sorry, but the only conclusion I can draw from this game is that our rookie PG has some growing to do.
Sure, I can go with that
But (and this is coming from a HUGE Shump advocate) in the convoluted context of the “D’Antoni System”, I can’t help but notice that he’s already picking up some bad habits. I mean, the guy is shooting 25% from 3 yet still chucking it 4 times a game on average WHILE jacking at least 10-15 shots a night.
I wouldn't call them all chucks though
Shump has missed a lot of wide open jumpers. Until tonight I was thinking how remarkable it is that he’s a rookie running the point and he only takes a couple of bad shots per game. As far as total shots per game, 10-15 is a huge range. I think 10-12 is OK, and 14+ is where you have to worry. 20, obviously, is completely unacceptable unless they’re mostly inside or jumpers in rhythm after the ball’s been worked around. I’ll be surprised (and disappointed) if we see Shump taking 20 again this season though.
by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree on the Nash thing partially
But I think that the other side of that is that D’antoni got saddled with the ‘No Defense’ label which was also all about Nash.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
In all honesty
I didn’t expect much out of this game. I wasn’t expecting this ugly, but a home-road back to back after working real hard for a win against a division rival in game one? Recipe for a loss. Pick up and try to do better Saturday.
Won't lie
Does my heart good to see Nate drive to the hoop and get 2
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yeah i like him
also for when he made me laugh after pierce put a dagger to us in a game last season, and Nate tried a congratulatory body smash and just flipped over Paul’s back. It was in every replay too
It is kind of good
that everything that could go wrong went wrong in one single game.
Let’s turn the page and forget it. This exceptional kind of crap can’t statistically happen any more. Although this is the Knicks … Nah. Just forget this game. It never happened.
Better days are ahead
It is almost impossible that Shumpert, Douglas, Fields, and Amare don’t start to hit more jumpers. Though perhaps this stretch will convince them to take fewer going forward, which would be best.
This is the best thing I've read all night and don't care what response it gets, it's the truth
It’s the answer to the playmaker and leadership problems and why Landry and TD will continue to be off cuz they are so much better when someone else is the playmaker:
alanhahn Alan Hahn
For the millionth time, Chris Duhon used to run this offense effectively. The issue is at PG. Not defense. Not Amare. Not Melo.
58 minutes ago
We didn’t stock a team then hire a coach, we hired a coach with a very specific system and common sense says you stock the team with players that can run the O. TD, Shump (not seasoned enuff but shows potential when he gains a conscience), Bibby nor Lin are skilled or seasoned enuff to get the job done. So MDA has to adjust to the players on the floor and it’s not ideal at times. Leadership is not what Amar’e or Melo do. They are scorers and it ends there. The best playmaker is a guy you’d rather have the ball at the end of the play, not setting it up. Right now, Shump is better as a secondary playmaker, not the main man.
Enter Baron Davis. Who hasn’t even ever played with this team and may or may not be the answer. But he is the only true playmaker on the floor when he gets there. Landry Fields and TD have games that shine much better when a playmaker with court vision and leadership is on the floor. It’s not Mike’s fault the team comes out flat on a given night or shrinks in the 4th quarter. We hedged our bets and cash on Amar’e, Melo and Chandler. After that, you get what you pay for and hope your rookies work out. 1st REALLY bad game from Shump, but if you saw him in college, it’s to be expected. Team was flat, Amar’e and Melo in foul trouble (and Melo dinged), so he tried to take over but was ill equipped on this night to do so. Bad ball handling and passing, bad shots (1 on 5, really?), not even trying to set the offense from the get go or get the team set or under control. Not Mike’s fault. I saw plenty of shouting but at the end of the day it’s not he who plays on the floor.
As Hahn said, DUHON ran this offense and he couldn’t shoot if the basket was bolted to his belly. Fields and TD looked great next to Felton, a (IMO) 2nd tier point guard also with a shaky shooting acumen., The offense works. It’s not his fault the team is still a work in progress. It’s also not Melo’s fault he has to ISO in the 4th. When teams bring pressure on D we’re ill equipped because we don’t have a PG who can handle or break down the D. It’s not Mike’s fault guys can’t get the ball to a freaking 7ft monster in the paint who spends more time trying to set screens for guys passing around the perimeter like chickens with their heads cut off.
Few Centers are worth even 10 mil these days, Chandler is an exception and he’s not even someone I like as C. But there are VERY few better. He is a leader on the floor as much as Baron Davis is. Chandler does his part on D, but, and I’m sure you’ve seen Baron on the sideline, Baron is the only true leader on O. And I don’t expect Melo or Amar’e to be. It’s not their game. They the recipients of good leadership and reward it with points scored and dimes for the PG.
Heck, do any of you really think TD would be a huge PG player elsewhere? Iman (MAYBE down the road)? But we’re gonna have games like this and we just might go down to OKC and win one there in WTF fashion. I like trashing in game threads cuz it’s heat of the moment and keeps games fun when they’re this bad. But when the dust settles, win or lose, we’re still a decent work-in-progress team going thru growing pains while being ill-stocked to be a complete offense. 1 man short and hopefully that man’s name is a HEALTHY Baron Davis. Duhon could do it. Felton could do it. Baron Davis is a step up over (+2 over Duhon) them and light years a better floor leader than the guys running in that spot now. And because we haven’t seen him here or if he can stay healthy, even that is not guaranteed.
It’s nobody’s fault for games like tonight. You come out that flat your due a loss. It’s nobody’s fault MDA’s complete O hasn’t been implemented. Our guys are ill-equipped to do so right now, let alone any O. Focus has been on D primarily as well as Chandler said. Mission accomplished. I’m impatient, but it ain’t gonna happen overnight. Flame away kiddies. Hate Mike all ya want. But the truth is the onus is on management when they hire a guy like Mike and have the job to stock the team with guys that can run the O that comes with him.
Good points all...
But if I’m D’Antoni I pull Shump. I mean to be honest the only active player we have that knows how to run an offense is Bibby. Start Shump so you don’t hurt his feelings / confidence level and then put Bibby in to run things and dish and hopefully hit a couple 3s. Shump is a green 2 plying the 1…
I dont specifically disagree
with any point you’re making, and of course management is the reason this team hasn’t gotten it together. I don’t argue that MDA’s system could be Better if these other factors fell into place. I don’t think he’s the answer at coach, but he definitely hasn’t had a fair shot.
In the interest of getting along, I’ll leave it here. great post. Emphasis on the part about management.
Actually, maybe one disagreement. I don’t think it’s too much to ask of Amar’e and Melo that they lead, tho maybe expecting it right away is a little unrealistic
But why did we come out so flat?
Did we think it would be easier? Tired? No focus?
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
I think a combination of tiredness, lack of focus, and Shump being way too trigger happy
In the first few possessions, we seemed to be trying to get everyone a shot or two. I’m OK with trying to get the ball to Landry posting up once or twice early. But I’m not so OK with Shump, or whoever’s starting at PG, taking early shots. The focus early on (and part of this is coaching, so I hope it’s being addressed) has to be to get Amare a few chances going towards the basket. Melo can turn it on whenever he wants, but Amare really needs to get that confidence going to be effective, and the best way to do that is to have him moving towards the rim.
Of course, the other thing is that we did try to go inside a few times in the first quarter, and I sound like a broken record at this point, but Gasol played awesome D and there were also a few possessions where he and Speights clearly got away with fouls. When that wasn’t getting us to the line, we got away from that, and then it all fell apart.
Well last night we got whatever we wanted from the refs
So you win some, you lose some, sometimes the refs help, sometimes the refs hurt
by superturboultra on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Starters are getting 40 minutes a game
The rotation is not large enough, either because MDA is not adapting well or because other than Harrellson and Bibby every full moon are completely unproductive.
Interestingly though
He changes the rotation a lot from night to night. Balkman and Novak don’t play for a few games, and then all of a sudden they’re part of the rotation.
This is probably another example of his adapting, honestly
This might be a way for him to keep the rotations short from night to night in order to keep things from getting disjointed by playing 10-11 guys every night, but to still rest guys enough during this compressed season. No idea whether or not it’s wise, but it’s interesting.
It's unproductivity
I’ll use Melo as an example whom I hate as a playmaker (primary rather, and to clarify, I want him finishing 75% of the time when he gets the ball, he brings it up too slow and he can do it fairly, but it’s just not his game):
Few games back Melo was continually ISO’ing then kicking out…he passed to Landry to Bully to whomever was set up along the perimeter be it the corner or up…not a shot would fall. Not jorts, not TD. When you can’t trust your team mates what are you gonna do? You try to do the job yourself. Jorts has steadily improved but do you really want him starting over Amar’? Novak might deserve to get more burn but really every guy not starting is wildly inconsistent and needs a ballhandler to set them up. Bully’s one of the few who can successfully drive with positive results, but likes to pull Kung Fu Panda thru the lane to get to the hoop. I could keep on going but I got throw on some Aerosmith, Same Old Song And Dance

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