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Postgame Thread: Grizzlies 94, Knicks 83

Well, that was...unpleasant. And not nearly as close as the score above. There'll be a short recap posted after I poke around in my eye socket with an icepick for a little bit.

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Seth didnt post it

but it needs to be put in the post game thread… Wheres the vomiting dude

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

and i dunno

how to post pics

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

see the image of a tree to the right of bold, italics, strikethrough, quote, link insert?

click on that and paste the link to the image

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he really destroyed any chance of us winning the game early on.

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by 2xtheBully on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

all signs point to

steve nash being the D’antoni whisperer

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh my god this is correct

Luckily, Steve Nash is no longer whispering to D’antoni about defense.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

even more so

Amare + Shump + TD + Tyson = 10 for 43

Everyone else = 21 for 40

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost everything that could go wrong, did

Dunno how long Melo’s out. Gotta get ready for the Thunder

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

These

Cop Dramas are so awful. We need Homicide or the wire back

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Really...

I have never been a D’Antoni hater but I’m not feeling a lot of intelligent leading from the coaching staff or from our 2 "superstars. Can’t somebody tell Shump “Stop fucking shooting and pass theball!!!!!!!!”

by robk on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

hehe yeah that was wonderful

i thought i saw a little CT actually…sad that that’s all we took from tonight.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm having (minor) surgery tomorrow

and thinking about postponing because I need to drink a lot after that

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

good luck brother

with the surgery and/or the hangover, depending

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

the shittier the city

the sluttier the dancers. i think our girls do work. definitely the most competitive program.

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sweet!

Did this dude just did this?

by Rubbercons on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It just dawned on me

If we get destroyed by OKC I could totally see MDA getting booted. I’m not sure how that makes me feel.

by Chuck Burly on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

That won't happen

You don’t make decisions like that based off of one or two bad games

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

plus, I think he gets to stay until at least Baron has been given a chance

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but Dolan is impulsive, expectations are high and Woodson is on the bench.

by Chuck Burly on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Dolan's NEVER been that sort of impulsive

Dolan waits too long to get rid of the fart making carcass that was here previously, but as far as firing too early? Never.

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

MDA is not getting booted this season.

Some might think he deserves it, but he’s going to get at least one full season of Melo and Amare. He’s not going anywhere til the offseason at the earliest.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I pray that Shump gets some stern talkings to

it’s just one game, but if these bad habits continue, he’ll turn into TD 2.0

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

you mean every shot will look off as soon as it leaves his hand, and hit nothing but back rim - hard?

if that’s the case, then yeah, they better get to talking.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst part was that they seemed like they hadn't even seen the Knicks before this

so they were spouting bullshit from the early minutes… but then the Knicks played so poorly it made their stupidity sound sage

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what is going to bug me

From now on, they will think the Knicks are what they were tonight

by SoReal on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially that asshat Miller.

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by 2xtheBully on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and they are.

They absolutely are what they were tonight.

by cynickfan on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

and by that I mean

inconsistent, lazy on D, no playmaker and no fire in their belly.

by cynickfan on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The Knicks D had been steadily improving before tonight

Before this game, they were one of the top teams in defensive efficiency

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

94 points ain't bad

though it ain’t stellar for this season

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

not if you look closely

Other than the sixers yesterday, the only tems that the knicks really stopped defensively were the kings, wizards and pistons – not exactly your offensive powerhouses.

When they met up with a team that liked o run and gun (philly, charlotte) they got lazy.

and yesterday, the sixers were on their back-to-back-back game.

by cynickfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst part was what they were saying about Shump

Like, they clearly had not watched him play for a minute yet this season. They didn’t mention his D at all (in fact they completely ignored his first few steals tonight), said he wasn’t a natural point guard… when anyone who has watched him before tonight could tell you that what’s remarkable about him on offense is precisely how natural he looks running the point. And then he goes out and takes 20 shots and they’re agreeing with themselves about how he’s not a point guard. And people will take their words as fact.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, wait...

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

right

my first non illegal cable stream game since christmas day and they look worse in hi-def then they do pixellated.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Tyson's D really worth that contract so far?

zero offense most games (not even trying to shoot lately) and it seems clear the spacing is poor for Amare when Tyson is out there

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

no.

he’s not a beast. we’re paying for a beast.

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a lot of research

but even if I can’t do it, which i wont try, I believe he hasn’t achieved the level of what he’s being payed. It’s possible all centers are overpaid, but that has no bearing on what one guy should be putting out given what he’s pulling in

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Your beliefs are not necessarily a reflection on reality.

And I’ll let you know that prior to this game, you could have named Bargnani and thats it. If all centers are overpaid then none are. Law of averages.

by erniesto on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not possible that all centers are overpaid

Whether or not they’re overpaid is a matter of their pay in relation to the market for centers

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

fair, but I'm not backing down.

I’m not saying he WONT be worth it; the original post said “so far”.
Also, for a team with a lot of other, possibly less expensive needs, and in a league with a salary cap and luxury taxes, money is still money. You can’t just isolate centers

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure you can

Unless you intend to play without a center, you have to have one. And the market for centers is what it is.

Besides, seriously, Nene, who was the most coveted FA big man this past offseason, is making the same amount of money as Chandler this year. Chandler started slow while integrating into a new team and he’s STILL outperforming him.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we hate each other here

and I definitely root for Tyson. I still disagree about the money, but you’re making me feel a bit better about him, so thank you very much.

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, OK

I’m sorry if I came across as confrontational. I think we’re all a bit frustrated tonight.

I really am seeing signs of Chandler’s game with the Knicks developing though. For one example, early on in the season we got killed when he’d switch to a perimeter guy on defense, vacating the paint, and they’d hit someone down low for an easy bucket. When he switches like that now, he really gets up on the guy. It’s still not ideal, but it makes it much tougher for them to take advantage of the mismatch by getting the ball to an interior player. Then they have to work the ball around the perimeter to try to find another entry point. Little things like that are really helping this defense, and they weren’t there in the first few games. I’m willing to bet that the progress continues as the communication gets better.

I will admit though that I have no defense for why he got stuffed by Rudy Gay tonight…

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely improving,

my bad too, i also can come off as confrontational when I’m not intending to, even in non-internet situations.
said improvement is why i believe he can grow into that value for sure.
many things from tonight will go unexplained until the end of time

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I am guessing Bynum is paid less

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

He’s making 15 mil this year

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

They’re still working out the kinks, but until tonight his defense had been steadily improving. And even tonight he grabbed 11 boards.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

9 in the first half

though I don’t know how much he played second half

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He played 30 minutes

13.2 rebounds per 36. Definitely solid

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

solid, yeah

I just thought he should have come away with more after that big first half

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I only caught the last quarter

I had been at MSG for the rangers (ugh), but it looked like he was the only one with a clue for the few plays I say (I could have been delirious, thought)

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

No complaints about Chandler from me

He is SO not what is wrong with this team right now. He’s overpaid but it’s worth it

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

he was good over that winning streak

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i did it!

thanks astromets! ive never been able to do that before

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

no prob

I been around the block on these sbnation sites, know a few tricks

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah ive been posting since early 09

but never knew how to do it

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

well

There

(is) more fun</> stuff

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

and 1 for 5

fail

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by astromets on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

that really sucked some ass

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by Ozraider on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

this is a weird thing to complain about

but it bothers me that D’Antoni rarely seems to get up in people’s faces when they screw up repeatedly. seems like a bit of a pushover.
I’d love to see this team with a John Tortorella type

by chris-9999 on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Not a weird thing to complain about

at least as legitimate as anything else put up here

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

mda seems to be a very conventional coach

the opposite coaching staff can pretty much nail his rotation and design matchup problems. But MDA simply does not adapt. Otherwise why not play lin / jj for some extended garbage minutes?

by cynickfan on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

Does not adapt.

one of my top 5 complaints about MDA

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't buy this one

Have we run his vintage ssol at all this season?

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

negative

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

But I don’t think anyone can credibly claim that he doesn’t adapt when he’s not doing the one thing he’s most associated with.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

abandoning your game plan and letting all hell ensue does not qualify for "adapting"

and he clearly can’t adapt to the players he has on his roster. Otherwise why would we always be talking about square pegs and round holes? A real coach, for instance Doc Rivers, is known for changing the holes (which are in the coach’s control moreso than the pegs) so that the pegs DO fit

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It has been ELEVEN GAMES.

Tonight was hell. But I’m guessing D’Antoni’s game plan does not involve his rookie PG taking 20 shots. Let’s wait and see how things develop. The team looks different from how it did even 5 games ago.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

though i think his apparent system,

or whatever he’s running, left the door or a window wide open to this happening with no consequences

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

But somebody, anybody! Tell Shumpert he’s not Kobe, Michael, or Lebron. I mean when I was 21 I thought I knew everything and was better than everyone but (surprise, surprise) I wasn’t. He NEEDS leadership!!!

by robk on Jan 12, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lol @

“us” talking about square pegs and round holes

by Kupe on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that is exactly the problem

if he doesn’t have the playmaker to drive his ssol, he’s got nothing.

by cynickfan on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

He doesn’t have the personnel for ssol, so he’s not running it. Is that not the definition of adapting?

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you,

abandoning your game plan and letting all hell ensue does not qualify for “adapting”

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I actually feel this after three seasons

yeah, he had a constantly changing roster but his up tempo style clearly could not succeed without a great PG. Knowing that he was at least a year away from Chris paul, he did not seem to develop any alternative strategies that might work with a middling PG like Felton. Now, he is pinning his hopes on Baron Davis.

Which brings us back to – he has nothing else offensively, except his ssol run by a sharp pg.

by cynickfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

The pick and roll with Felton wasn’t working? That was some of the most beautiful pure basketball I’ve ever seen.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

In MDA's feable defense

This team has 9 8 players healthy and playing on an NBA level right now. And that’s being generous in including Balkman.

by erniesto on Jan 12, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Shump overcame his leg cramps...

…and has now moved on to brain cramps.

j/k I still love you Shumpy.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

He might have played head-strachingly terrible but I still love him also.

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by 2xtheBully on Jan 12, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i just googled pics of chips ahoy

at least you got to eat them

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Meanwhile,

WArriors up 9-0 on Magic.

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

I wish

Landry had been part of the Melo package. What a fall from grace.

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Who cares what the pundits and media say

If the team’s losing they’ll shit on you, if they’re winning they’ll jump on the bandwagon. Knicks lost so they suck. Beat OKC and it’s gravy. You are what the record says you are.

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Thats true...

…but that doesn’t excuse the team’s performance this year

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not, I'm just saying we needn't be concerned with losing on nat'l tv or with what Chuck or Reggie say

What matters is the play on the court. Knicks are 6-5. Not good, not terrible, they can be better than this. I think they will be

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

word

i misunderstood your post. i’ve been drinking.

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Serious lack of leadership for this team

Melo Amare and Dantoni dont hold the others accountable and the result is games like this one.

by ibnyc on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

Completely Agree...

I feel one of us on this board could provide more motivation!!!

by robk on Jan 12, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad others see this huge problem as well

it’s the underlying theme of and impetus for everything going wrong that is within the team’s control

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Fuck.

At least the 2nd unit got some confidence. I guess. Whatever.

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by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Don't know about that

I didn’t think it was possible for another player to have a crappier FG% than Shumpert but low and behold TD does it.

by erniesto on Jan 12, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This was a good thing. Shump was learning a lesson and MDA didn't bail him out.

Unfortunately with a rookie PG, we have some growing pains to go through. MDA let him chuck and chuck, and now he’ll make him watch that shit in excruciating detail and let him feel the burn from his teammates’ disapproval. He’ll learn and he’ll be better for it.

by Crackback on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

I kinda feel like the overriding problem is ...

that this team was put together the wrong way.

As a rough analogy, say you need furniture. You go and buy the most expensive sofa, the most expensive rug, and the most expensive coffee table. They don’t necessarily go together so they might clash. You still need an armchair and a dining room set so you hit Ikea and get some shit that does the job but isn’t really that great. In the end your apartment looks pretty good but it takes awhile for the pieces to work together and at the end of the day the Ikea shit breaks.

Maybe not that insightful but possibly an apt analogy…

by robk on Jan 12, 2012 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

Totally,

and I’m aware I already said the overriding problem is leadership, but this ties into that and unfortunately we may have more than one

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i feel the problem is

that 2 of our key contributors from last season have regressed to the mean. let’s call it how it is – landry and DWTDD have fallen off badly from their numbers and contributions last year. Landry is looking like a late 2nd round pick, and Toney just looks….off. i mean his shot looks so unpretty leaving his hand. i don’t know if it was that ugly last year because they were going in, but it looks like he’s aiming it, with no arc, and they have almost no chance of going in the minute they leave his hand. and he’s not a great passer. so if he can’t shoot anymore, and never could pass, with no size, then what good is he really for the team right now?

MDA likes to go 8 or 9 deep. if 2 of those 8 are giving you nothing, that’s a big problem. moreso than stagnant offensive sets or bad shooting pct. from Amare. at least, IMHO.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Its more like you have an obsolete computer and decide to upgrade the monitor, graphics card, sound card with the latest and greatest but run out of money and need to scrounge an old CPU out of the “As-Is needs repair” bin and don’t bother with the operating system, while keeping the half the old RAM and slotting in some newer RAM that’s incompatible with the old stuff.

by erniesto on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If you analogy comes with meatballs

I am totally on board :)

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Every Knick player and coach should be strapped down and forced to watch this game tape on a loop

Quick Question : If every Knick looks lost and/or concussed on offensive end, what exactly is Mike D’Antoni’s contribution as coach? Other than telling everyone how good they can be, that is. I mean, because defense isn’t “his forte”. I’m becoming more and more convinced that he got Nash in his prime, told him to run, and duly cashed in when praise was disproportionally credited. I’m surprised they even broke 60 tonight.

This game gets filed into the “Benchmark” folder. Reality check, boys.

by Rochacha on Jan 12, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

+1

this is my joint right now

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like I'm coming off as D'Antoni's biggest fan here

which I’m not. But let’s be fair. His gameplan was not for Shumpert to take 20 shots today. Shumpert chucked a ton of shots, making it impossible for the team to find any offensive rhythm, and then Melo got hurt. Then the backup plan, going to Amare, was foiled by a mixture of stellar D by Gasol and some questionable officiating. I’m sorry, but the only conclusion I can draw from this game is that our rookie PG has some growing to do.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, I can go with that

But (and this is coming from a HUGE Shump advocate) in the convoluted context of the “D’Antoni System”, I can’t help but notice that he’s already picking up some bad habits. I mean, the guy is shooting 25% from 3 yet still chucking it 4 times a game on average WHILE jacking at least 10-15 shots a night.

by Rochacha on Jan 12, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call them all chucks though

Shump has missed a lot of wide open jumpers. Until tonight I was thinking how remarkable it is that he’s a rookie running the point and he only takes a couple of bad shots per game. As far as total shots per game, 10-15 is a huge range. I think 10-12 is OK, and 14+ is where you have to worry. 20, obviously, is completely unacceptable unless they’re mostly inside or jumpers in rhythm after the ball’s been worked around. I’ll be surprised (and disappointed) if we see Shump taking 20 again this season though.

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree on the Nash thing partially

But I think that the other side of that is that D’antoni got saddled with the ‘No Defense’ label which was also all about Nash.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

In all honesty

I didn’t expect much out of this game. I wasn’t expecting this ugly, but a home-road back to back after working real hard for a win against a division rival in game one? Recipe for a loss. Pick up and try to do better Saturday.

by Branta on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed...

I was dreading this game… at the end of the day it wasn’t that bad. A loss is a loss and a win is a win.

by robk on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Won't lie

Does my heart good to see Nate drive to the hoop and get 2

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by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

yeah i like him

also for when he made me laugh after pierce put a dagger to us in a game last season, and Nate tried a congratulatory body smash and just flipped over Paul’s back. It was in every replay too

by mp987987 on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It is kind of good

that everything that could go wrong went wrong in one single game.
Let’s turn the page and forget it. This exceptional kind of crap can’t statistically happen any more. Although this is the Knicks … Nah. Just forget this game. It never happened.

by YIK on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Better days are ahead

It is almost impossible that Shumpert, Douglas, Fields, and Amare don’t start to hit more jumpers. Though perhaps this stretch will convince them to take fewer going forward, which would be best.

by Joamiq on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the best thing I've read all night and don't care what response it gets, it's the truth

It’s the answer to the playmaker and leadership problems and why Landry and TD will continue to be off cuz they are so much better when someone else is the playmaker:

alanhahn Alan Hahn
For the millionth time, Chris Duhon used to run this offense effectively. The issue is at PG. Not defense. Not Amare. Not Melo.
58 minutes ago

We didn’t stock a team then hire a coach, we hired a coach with a very specific system and common sense says you stock the team with players that can run the O. TD, Shump (not seasoned enuff but shows potential when he gains a conscience), Bibby nor Lin are skilled or seasoned enuff to get the job done. So MDA has to adjust to the players on the floor and it’s not ideal at times. Leadership is not what Amar’e or Melo do. They are scorers and it ends there. The best playmaker is a guy you’d rather have the ball at the end of the play, not setting it up. Right now, Shump is better as a secondary playmaker, not the main man.

Enter Baron Davis. Who hasn’t even ever played with this team and may or may not be the answer. But he is the only true playmaker on the floor when he gets there. Landry Fields and TD have games that shine much better when a playmaker with court vision and leadership is on the floor. It’s not Mike’s fault the team comes out flat on a given night or shrinks in the 4th quarter. We hedged our bets and cash on Amar’e, Melo and Chandler. After that, you get what you pay for and hope your rookies work out. 1st REALLY bad game from Shump, but if you saw him in college, it’s to be expected. Team was flat, Amar’e and Melo in foul trouble (and Melo dinged), so he tried to take over but was ill equipped on this night to do so. Bad ball handling and passing, bad shots (1 on 5, really?), not even trying to set the offense from the get go or get the team set or under control. Not Mike’s fault. I saw plenty of shouting but at the end of the day it’s not he who plays on the floor.

As Hahn said, DUHON ran this offense and he couldn’t shoot if the basket was bolted to his belly. Fields and TD looked great next to Felton, a (IMO) 2nd tier point guard also with a shaky shooting acumen., The offense works. It’s not his fault the team is still a work in progress. It’s also not Melo’s fault he has to ISO in the 4th. When teams bring pressure on D we’re ill equipped because we don’t have a PG who can handle or break down the D. It’s not Mike’s fault guys can’t get the ball to a freaking 7ft monster in the paint who spends more time trying to set screens for guys passing around the perimeter like chickens with their heads cut off.

Few Centers are worth even 10 mil these days, Chandler is an exception and he’s not even someone I like as C. But there are VERY few better. He is a leader on the floor as much as Baron Davis is. Chandler does his part on D, but, and I’m sure you’ve seen Baron on the sideline, Baron is the only true leader on O. And I don’t expect Melo or Amar’e to be. It’s not their game. They the recipients of good leadership and reward it with points scored and dimes for the PG.

Heck, do any of you really think TD would be a huge PG player elsewhere? Iman (MAYBE down the road)? But we’re gonna have games like this and we just might go down to OKC and win one there in WTF fashion. I like trashing in game threads cuz it’s heat of the moment and keeps games fun when they’re this bad. But when the dust settles, win or lose, we’re still a decent work-in-progress team going thru growing pains while being ill-stocked to be a complete offense. 1 man short and hopefully that man’s name is a HEALTHY Baron Davis. Duhon could do it. Felton could do it. Baron Davis is a step up over (+2 over Duhon) them and light years a better floor leader than the guys running in that spot now. And because we haven’t seen him here or if he can stay healthy, even that is not guaranteed.

It’s nobody’s fault for games like tonight. You come out that flat your due a loss. It’s nobody’s fault MDA’s complete O hasn’t been implemented. Our guys are ill-equipped to do so right now, let alone any O. Focus has been on D primarily as well as Chandler said. Mission accomplished. I’m impatient, but it ain’t gonna happen overnight. Flame away kiddies. Hate Mike all ya want. But the truth is the onus is on management when they hire a guy like Mike and have the job to stock the team with guys that can run the O that comes with him.

by screamedia on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

Good points all...

But if I’m D’Antoni I pull Shump. I mean to be honest the only active player we have that knows how to run an offense is Bibby. Start Shump so you don’t hurt his feelings / confidence level and then put Bibby in to run things and dish and hopefully hit a couple 3s. Shump is a green 2 plying the 1…

by robk on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont specifically disagree

with any point you’re making, and of course management is the reason this team hasn’t gotten it together. I don’t argue that MDA’s system could be Better if these other factors fell into place. I don’t think he’s the answer at coach, but he definitely hasn’t had a fair shot.
In the interest of getting along, I’ll leave it here. great post. Emphasis on the part about management.
Actually, maybe one disagreement. I don’t think it’s too much to ask of Amar’e and Melo that they lead, tho maybe expecting it right away is a little unrealistic

by mp987987 on Jan 13, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

But why did we come out so flat?

Did we think it would be easier? Tired? No focus?

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Jan 12, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

I think a combination of tiredness, lack of focus, and Shump being way too trigger happy

In the first few possessions, we seemed to be trying to get everyone a shot or two. I’m OK with trying to get the ball to Landry posting up once or twice early. But I’m not so OK with Shump, or whoever’s starting at PG, taking early shots. The focus early on (and part of this is coaching, so I hope it’s being addressed) has to be to get Amare a few chances going towards the basket. Melo can turn it on whenever he wants, but Amare really needs to get that confidence going to be effective, and the best way to do that is to have him moving towards the rim.

Of course, the other thing is that we did try to go inside a few times in the first quarter, and I sound like a broken record at this point, but Gasol played awesome D and there were also a few possessions where he and Speights clearly got away with fouls. When that wasn’t getting us to the line, we got away from that, and then it all fell apart.

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well last night we got whatever we wanted from the refs

So you win some, you lose some, sometimes the refs help, sometimes the refs hurt

by superturboultra on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Just pointing it out, not complaining. It is what it is.

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Starters are getting 40 minutes a game

The rotation is not large enough, either because MDA is not adapting well or because other than Harrellson and Bibby every full moon are completely unproductive.

by erniesto on Jan 13, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Interestingly though

He changes the rotation a lot from night to night. Balkman and Novak don’t play for a few games, and then all of a sudden they’re part of the rotation.

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

This is probably another example of his adapting, honestly

This might be a way for him to keep the rotations short from night to night in order to keep things from getting disjointed by playing 10-11 guys every night, but to still rest guys enough during this compressed season. No idea whether or not it’s wise, but it’s interesting.

by Joamiq on Jan 13, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's unproductivity

I’ll use Melo as an example whom I hate as a playmaker (primary rather, and to clarify, I want him finishing 75% of the time when he gets the ball, he brings it up too slow and he can do it fairly, but it’s just not his game):
Few games back Melo was continually ISO’ing then kicking out…he passed to Landry to Bully to whomever was set up along the perimeter be it the corner or up…not a shot would fall. Not jorts, not TD. When you can’t trust your team mates what are you gonna do? You try to do the job yourself. Jorts has steadily improved but do you really want him starting over Amar’? Novak might deserve to get more burn but really every guy not starting is wildly inconsistent and needs a ballhandler to set them up. Bully’s one of the few who can successfully drive with positive results, but likes to pull Kung Fu Panda thru the lane to get to the hoop. I could keep on going but I got throw on some Aerosmith, Same Old Song And Dance

by screamedia on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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