Thunder 104, Knicks 92: "This feels unfair."
by Seth on Jan 15, 2012 12:19 AM EST
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PrintThe Knicks without Carmelo Anthony didn't have a shot against the Thunder. Hell, I'm not sure they would've had a shot WITH Melo playing, with Baron Davis healthy, and with a laser komodo dragon at shooting guard. Joamiq (quoted above) nailed it in the game thread. It just wasn't fair.
The Knicks didn't play that badly, all things considered. They started the game defending pretty aggressively and pushing the pace, but eventually everybody realized that Bill Walker was guarding Kevin Durant, Iman Shumpert and Mike Bibby were taking turns against Russell Westbrook, and the Knicks were just generally over-matched on both ends. With neither Shump nor Bibby able to do much creatin', Amar'e Stoudemire was more or less the chief ballhandler-- a gameplan that actually had its moments, but obviously wasn't sustainable. The Thunder began forcing turnovers and getting out in transition, then they got to scoring in halfcourt sets, and before halftime, it was pretty much over. By the second quarter, I was shouting "SHOOT IT!" every time Josh Harrellson touched the ball. By the third, I was doing that every time Jared Jeffries touched the ball. By the fourth, I was dancing around my living room doing somersaults and screaming "HUMPTY!!!" every time Renaldo Balkman did anything. This was barely a basketball game. I blame Melo's obscenely huge pinkie ring for blinding everybody.
There were a couple bright spots: Harrellson played genuinely well on both ends, Toney Douglas hit some of his jumpers, and the garbage unit quietly churned out a 27-12 quarter. That's pretty much it.
So, uh, hopefully Melo will be back for Monday's game against the Magic. If he's not, we get more of Humpty/Jerome Jordan/Steve Novak's orange elbow sleeve. Win-win!
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they were terrible, we need baron healthy asap
JPP for 2011 DPOY!
by NewYork! on Jan 15, 2012 12:43 AM EST via Android app reply actions
how did Amare not get to the line once?
this team needs some better players to help.
One for sure positive, Walker ain’t starting again anytime soon
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
That picture makes Melo look like T.T. from The Game
but that’s besides the point.
it’s sad how much this team has come to rely on Melo. Last year’s team could win games with STAT as the primary scorer because they had depth. The Knicks have an atrocious bench and when a key player gets hurt, they’re pretty much screwed. It especially sucks because the shortened season with its crazy schedule favors deep teams (see: Denver, Philly, Indiana)
Sure, the pre-trade team didn’t have another superstar, but they had a bunch of guys who could get 15-20 on any given night, which gave them balance.
We also had a point guard…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Last year's team
could win games with STAT because they had someone who could run the pick and roll with him, and they had 3 guys in Chandler, Gallo, and Fields who could all pass well around the perimeter, penetrate, and shoot from outside. This year’s team minus Melo is missing pretty much all of that – as long as Fields isn’t hitting his shots, they have none of that.
Hopefully when guys like Shumpert and Fields start hitting their J’s and Davis comes back to run the point, we can regain some of that rhythm…
On the other hand
Ill Wil and Gallo never had a good game on the same night, so it was more like one of them, plus Landry.
by superturboultra on Jan 16, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
What I hate...
is that these game lately are making all the “critics” look like they’re right, after I had been so optimistic.
Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker
Jeffries was 0-4 from the field for 1 point in his return from injury tonight. His FG% on the season is now .143
Fun Fact: The Knicks are still undefeated this year in games when Jeffries makes a FG.
Home of the Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker
Only reasonable conclusion:
Jared Jeffries needs to be more involved on offense!
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by Jeff W. on Jan 15, 2012 1:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well
These last two hurt pretty damn bad. And the pats won today. At least BC is 2-1 in ACC play!
lololol
:)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
he needs a l'il guy attached to him...
like that character in mad max beyond thunderdome… what were their names? in the pig farm?
he can’t function without a PG.
by bucketsncents on Jan 15, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA
I think you’ve really hit on something beautiful there.
by superturboultra on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
watching NBA GameTime
did they really give up 70 first half points? wow.
haha they called Ibaka “The Serge Protector.”
clever.
aww. he looked pissed as hell when he rolled his ankle.
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
Sigh..
Watching the game on MSG rewind or replay or whatever they call it now (I’ve been drinking) and they look so fuckin’ weak. Great.. I’m pretty sure that box score 4th quarter is an anomoly.
Oh cool, catfish (J. Jeffries) is back. Hmm..
Did this dude just did this?
by Rubbercons on Jan 15, 2012 3:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh well
This team is due for a stinker every couple of games, especially with Melo out. Not going to make too much of this.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
This Knicks team is good
We only need PG, SG , decent bench players and a coach…. Other than that we’re fine.
P.S.
Landry Fields is SG, why doesnt he shoots? I’ve never ever ever seen more chicken coward player. He’s just affraid to shoot the ball, dont blame D’Antony for this, im serious. Landry is a SG with 1 or 2 FG attempts per game, mostly in the 4th Q when the game is over.
Maybe...
he is a 2nd year player trying to figure things out in yet another new offense and defense with an almost non-existent training camp?
He isn’t the only one that lacks confidence in his shot.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
With all the shots TD, Shump, Melo, and Amar’e throw up, there are literally no more to take….
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I dont know guys...
If u have it you have it, if you dont its useless. Landry doesnt have personality, thats why even a rookie with 5 games under his belt shoots more, as i said, dont blame anyone, its up to him, how many balls he had passed away when he supposed to shoot? He just doesnt want to take responsability.
If he didn't have it
Why did he average over 20 PPG before our precious Melo graced us with his sticky hands
responsibility*
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 15, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
he'd be a great fit on our team...
if we believed in ball movement. no ego. no need for glory or recognition. willing to defend and rebound. great cutter. i think he knows who he’s playing with… and he knows his “team” style of play is mismatched with the rest of his starters.
by bucketsncents on Jan 15, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
So that means he’s entitled to play like crap? I think you’re giving him too much credit. I don’t care what the rest of the team is doing, if he’s not getting the ball where he wants it, he can still rebound, pass, and play defense. He’s doing nothing out there.
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ur right in that he's not entitled to play like crap...
but his defense has been strong, he’s still rebounding (though not as much as he did last year) and he is a ball mover… and i think his +/- is 2nd best on the team. no question he’s underperforming, but he’s less our problem than melo and stat’s lack of chemistry and our lack of a true PG who can run the show.
by bucketsncents on Jan 15, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Fields was a +6 in 31 minutes last nite.
Chandler was a -30
Shumpert was a -24
Bibby was a -20
Amare was a -19
NOW JUST WHO WERE YOU SAYING WAS PLAYING LIKE CRAP????
gotta remember HOW garbage time became garbage time...
by bucketsncents on Jan 15, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but Landry doesn't get a free ride for doing nothing thru 3 quarters to help negate 3 quarters of crap
In other words, this is a pure case of non-bashing fact that +/- is skewed. Not saying Landry isn’t useful, rather that in frakiec’s case, you don’t get the luxury of cherry picking your stats
i'm saying that landry is not useful
seriously, he is garbage this year. he has carmelo and tyson eating up his rebounds. and then that pump fake followed by brick/turnover/sloppy pass move is not doing anything other than give the other team the ball or mess up offensive flow. it’s quite sad really. i don’t know if he’ll be getting another contract.
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we ARE fundamentally flawed!!!!!!!
how long do we drag out this relationship hoping it improves… feeling so hopeful when we have “a good couple of days together” but all the while knowing deep down it’s just not “the one”
the signs are clear (blowouts… not just losses) we’re just not that into each other.
keep tyson and see how much we can get for one or the other… fuck it….
I agree 100% with all you have said. Im sorry, we all see its not working, not even a glimpse that it will, this team is assembled very badly. The superstars are in other teams, we just have good players paid as superstars… This is not basketball, this is torture, even on nights when we win.
amare for k. love and ridnour...
melo for josh smith and jeff teague.
i don’t know… but i got a baaaaad feeling about this.
by bucketsncents on Jan 15, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
With trades like you’ve suggested we’ll be back to pre-Melo era, im not sure its worth it… I say Amare/B Davis/ Shump + cash to LAC for CP3 and Griffin if they are out of their mind :D. Now we need to upgrade not downgrade. But its all uselees with D’Antony as a coach… And i say we trade Amare over Melo simply coz its clear that Amare is not what he used to be, i like him very much but with all those knee operations he doesnt play 100%, he keeps the knees safe so he can play more years( and earn more bucks). Lets say he plays at default ;).
Amare not what he used to be?? Did you watch him play last year??? He was the true leader of the Knicks and brought us back to respectability. The bottom line is that we need a true pg to run the offense. TD is incapable because he is to busy trying to figure out how to get his shot or backing away from the pg’s he’s supposed to be defending. He backs up so much, it looks like he’s moon walking. Amare was fine when ray felt or C. Billups was distributing the ball.
by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, let’s break up the team and give up because we’re 6-6, and lost to a superior team when two of our best players were in street clothes. Can we calm down and see how the team looks when Baron Davis returns?
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At this point, yes, but when Baron returns you could make the point that the starting lineup is four all stars and a rookie of the year candidate. You still think half the teams will be better?
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I think we all expect wonders from Baron but he’s not the answer to our problems… And please please please get Landry Fields and Jeffries out of NY, these guys are joke, i mean, i cant understand people that are defending Landry, he is a SG, do you people have a slightest idea of how a shooting guard should play? SG’s primary job is to SHOOT and hopefully hit some of the shots, Landry is a coward, period. I respect more TD for having the guts to shoot, he never hides like Landry…
you gotta chill out dude
supposedly great teams like MIA lost three straight on their road trip due to 4th quarter “woes”
I don’t think it’s time to throw anybody under the bus quite yet
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 15, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
u mean the baron davis...
with the suspect reputation, long laundry list of injuries and questionable investment?
i’m as curious as anyone about b. davis, but even without him and with the guys we have, we shouldn’t be getting blown out the way we are, or losing to the teams we are. something stinks.
by bucketsncents on Jan 15, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
yep
i don’t see how this team is going to work. we look bad this season. i keep saying it, but amare is the odd man out. doesn’t fit with carmelo and tyson. we should look to move him.
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Off topic shit that pisses me off..
The fact that Amare puts effort into blocking dead balls but pretty close to none, if not none, when the ball is live. I mean, what ist that blocking the dead-ball jump-shot thing? Just because Garnett does it doesn’t mean it’s cool.
Did this dude just did this?
He's not the only one....
I’ve noticed that from Amare, but to be honest with you, he and KG are not the only one’s who do that, if Kevin Durant is under the basket, he does the same thing.
by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate this too
not because he blocks dead balls, because that’s only a little annoying sometimes. I hate it because he ONLY goes after the dead ones. And it’s every time. He’s clearly got a skewed sense of defensive commitment
I like that he goes after the dead ones
I hate that he doesn’t go after the live ones.
by superturboultra on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Jumping the gun
I can see everyone is upset over the recent play of our beloved Knicks, but I do believe everyone is jumping the gun, with all these stupid trade talks. Amare will be fine once we get a decent pg to run the offense (and that will be B Diddy). Amare can’t get in a groove because, without melo or another decent, consistent shooter, other team will just clog the paint. The Knicks spacing on the floor is terrible right now, leaving no room for Amare to work. As soon as he drives to the basket, there is already two defenders waiting on him. I am a die hard Knicks fan and I will live and die with them and what I have seen over the first 12 games has been a little hard to swallow. Even though we have two of the most prolific scorers in the game, if there is no ball distribution and spacing, Amare will continue to suffer. Melo has the capabilities to create his own shots, so he doesn’t have a problem. I honestly think we should wait and see if Baron Davis can be the answer at pg like I think he can. He still has something to prove. Sorry the post is so long, I just believe the trade talk is ridiculous.
Agreed
how is a pick and roll power forward supposed to score with no pg?
by Fabfreebird on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
+1000
Ton of new players, little training camp, our point guard hasn’t even played yet. And the funniest thing is that they’re 6-6! Reading these comments you would think they were 0-12. The Grizzlie lost bothered me a little but I think they were tired. Before that they had won four in a row.
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redundant
but I also agree. Preach!
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 15, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, 2 defenders are always waiting for him simply coz our “SG” is afraid of shooting open shots and our center is not a threat to anyone when left alone … And the trade talks would be ridiculous when the team starts playing some even decent basketball, for now they are legit.
Huh?
Trade talk is legit now, but are not when the team is playing decent? That’s a real knee jerk reaction, don’t you think? That means when the team won four in a row you wouldn’t make a trade, but now that they’ve lost two, you pick up the phone? What if they win tomorrow? You cancel the trade talks you started today? I think the holes the Knicks have are there whether they win or lose, and if the Knicks can upgrade they should, regardless of how they’re playing. What they shouldn’t be doing though, is planning superstar trades without giving this team a chance to gel and learn each other. They should always be looking to fortify the bench though. If Orlando wants to get stupid and deal Howard for Amar’e, that’s one thing, but it’s way too early for break up the team trades.
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OK then, this team is fine as it is, if the majority of the fans are happy then there’s no problems at all…. And my comment was a bit ironic, i guess you didnt understand it… Lets put it simple, when the things are not going well with no glimpse it would be better dont you think its time for some trade talks? Or we should leave it as it is? I mean whats the point in changing when you have 3 guys in the roster that are paid 47 mil a year and are inferior to half of the NBA? And they are waiting for B Davis….
Martian78, you are missing the point. Just like last year when Melo came over, they didn’t have time to gel as a team. The same thing is happening now, with the shortened season. You should look at these first 12 games as the preseason and realize that there is work to be done. But to trade Melo or Amare is not being realistic. B Davis is far from done and I do remember him coming into MSG and torching us for 20+ points and dishing out assists like it was halloween. As I stated before, when some of the other guys get a little more consistent and gain confidence in their shot, that will open up the paint for Amare to do his thing. That was proven in the first few minutes of the game, when the Thunder had to start out guarding everyone, and the paint was open for Amare to drive to the basket and dunk it home.
by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
A while we're talking about trades....
Let’s talk about getting rid of that waste of space we call Jared Jeffries. This man is horrible and has no offensive game. I still don’t believe that he was Mr. Basketball coming out of high school in Indiana. He is afraid to put the ball in the basket and is always waiting for someone to block his shot so he can get into jump ball situations, which he eventually loses. I’m still trying to figure out the intangibles that he brings to the game, because some of them should be knowing how to score at 6’11.
Jeffries, shump and tyson
are the ONLY defenders we have on this team.
by Fabfreebird on Jan 15, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Jeffries is a joke. His defense is over-rated and the players he’s guarding are still scoring on him with ease. Let’s just face the facts, we are not going to see the defensive Knicks of the late 80’s early 90’s. Those days are long gone and there really are no super defensive teams in the league anymore or at least not on a consistent basis.
by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 15, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Thats what im talking about, with Jeffries and Fields the rival fans are laughing at the Knicks, and i see some people are still defending Fields, he was rookie last year, he needs to learn etc etc.. Have you people see Jorts? He is rookie, he plays and delivers, Shump too, they both have just a couple of games under the belt but they play like men, Fields plays like a coward.
Fields is definitely a former shell of himself. I can definitely see him being traded off.
by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 15, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Fields played the same way Jorts and Shump play when he was a rookie
There’s not really a comparison
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Some of ya'll are ridiculous
Just so you know, we just lost to probably the best team in the league, while missing a point guard and our best player.
I mean, trade Amar’e for Love and Ridnour? Melo for Josh Smith and Jeff Teague? C’mon.
I’m skeptical about things too, like our supporting cast, or why Amar’e is sucking, and even as a D’Antoni fan, I’m beginning to question his coaching. But seriously, get a grip some of you.
By the way, we’ve won as many games as we’ve lost and are actually off to a better start than last season through the first 12 games. It’ll get better. If it’s still like this in March, then some of you can come back our and gripe. But really… relax
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by WSD on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It's much more fun to relax. Basketball is fun!
by Seth on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed!
By the way Seth, thought you should know that they opened an alpaca farm down the road from me!
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by WSD on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excuses
No one makes more excuses that D’Antoni.
Have Tom Coughlin ever blamed injuries, or a lack or cohesives, or not enough practice time?? It starts with D’Antoni and coaches attitude sucks. All about excuses and doesn’t demand excellence.
Can’t get better with him.
G-Mac bitches
BC 2011
A laser komodo dragon
MIGHT have helped on the defensive end. I’m thinking some of OKC’s perimeter shots get pulverized mid-air. Then again, the way they were shooting, maybe they go in anyway.
the knicks look like crap
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