Hahn: What about bringing Amar'e Stoudemire off the bench?
by Seth on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 AM EST
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PrintThis was mentioned by some people yesterday (and probably before that) and crossed my mind whilst I showered last night, and now Alan Hahn's bringing it up, so I know it's valid: Would it behoove Mike D'Antoni to play Amar'e Stoudemire off the bench? Here's Hahn:
Here's a crazy idea: What if D'Antoni went with Stoudemire off the bench as a Sixth Man, similarly to how Jeff Van Gundy used Latrell Sprewell for most of the 1999 lockout season? Harrellson could play the role of a "stretch-4" next to Chandler with the first five and Stoudemire would get work against most team's second units with Shumpert and, as a primary target, perhaps he can develop some much-needed rhythm and maybe that will help give the offense better balance.
First of all, it'll probably never happen, so feel free to dismiss this entire topic.
Second of all, I don't read this as a suggestion that Stoudemire be demoted. He'd still get ample minutes, just with different units. Without a point guard who can be relied upon to direct and engage everybody, the spacing with both Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler on the floor has been problematic. When Amar'e looks to drive, Chandler tends to be in the vicinity of the basket, dragging a help defender over with him and making life difficult for all offensive parties. Yesterday, the Knicks' spacing with Chandler on the court looked best when Josh Harrellson was there as that "stretch four", and Amar'e's offense looked best when Chandler was off the floor.
So, the theory goes, you could make things easier for everybody by bringing Amar'e off the bench and staggering his and Chandler's minutes a bit more, at least while they're still learning to cohere and/or waiting on Baron Davis to get healthy and feed them delicious passes. They'd obviously have to overlap somewhat...just less.The benching part will never happen, but the staggering of minutes seems like it's worth a more extended try. It's that or just let Stoudemire and Chandler player bumper cars until they figure things out, which also has something to be said for it, I suppose. Thoughts?
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It makes plenty of sense, but....
it will never happen. I equate it to the use of the closer by baseball managers. There are times when the game is on the line in the 7th inning and you need your best guy out on the mound to shut the door — but heaven forbid the manager bring in the closer in the 7th inning since that’s not “his role”. Pitching him would make sense there, but won’t happen because of this crazy perception/pecking order nonsense.
Same with Amare off the bench. Makes sense on plenty of levels, but won’t happen for the same reasons. Knicks were able to sell it with Sprewell because he had just recently tried to choke out his former coach. LOL
Sprewell is awesome.
A void? I see no void!
by gunsbound on Jan 17, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Re: "Second of all, I don't read this as a suggestion that Stoudemire be demoted"
It doesn’t matter how you read or how I read it; but, It is a demotion; and more importantly, Amare would take it as a demotion.
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
i would love it if that happened
because it would display a commitment to the team that new york fans (ultra-reform optimists and ultra-orthodox pessimists alike) would come together on.
but its not a bad thing to have him start and make them figure it out. also is josh harrelson really ready to start? its tough to say how these things would work on everybody’s psyche’s.
it won’t happen.
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Not sure how that helps much
Even if there were not the ego thing involved, if Dantoni wants to give them each 30+ minutes a game they would still be overlapping for 70% of their time. Better for them to just work out their problems.
It will not happen for the following reasons
1. Benching Amar’e and still playing him 30 mins would mean he and Chandler would be on the floor together the majority of the time. So the whole basis for the move would be SOS (Stuck on Silly).
2. Given that D’Antoni has already had to get Amare to buy into being the second banana, adecision that Amare has accepted withoutso much as a sign of dissension. So Benching him would further antagonize D’Antoni’s biggest advocate in the organization. A dangerous move for a coach in a contract year. Piss off a guy Dolan owes 80 million to, yeah that is gonna go over well if you are not trying to get yourself fired.
3. Josh Harrellson is not ready to start. He has had a typical rookie year, a few nice games and a bunch of confused ones. So putting Harrellson in that role could backfire.
4. Even if Harrellson starts, unless he is also going to finish games, then Amare and Chandler will be on the floor together in the 4th quarter so they have to figure out their chemistry. Because the first time the Knicks lose a game with Amare chained to the bench in the fourth quarter, the media and all of you will rip D’antoni and new one, especially of Jorts wets the bed, and none of you or the yokels covering the Knicks will care about, but the spacing is better nonsense.
by Robert Curre on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If they each played 30 minutes, they could play a minimum of 12 minutes together.
But I don’t buy that they can’t play together. Gasol plays with Bynum. Blake Griffin plays with DeAndre Jordan. Millsap plays with Jefferson. David Lee plays with Biedrins/Kwame Brown.
But, I'm sorry, Stan Kroenke insists the Knicks take Chauncey Billups back to make the salaries work
Baaap!!!!
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I tend to agree
Actually, I think it is a good idea to have a ‘stretch 4’ on the court when Chandler is in. But that stretch 4 should be Amar’e. I like staggering their minutes so that Amar’e can go to work on the inside when Chandler’s resting. But when they’re both in the game, Amar’e has to play the stretch 4 and I think he can do it. He can hit 3’s.
Plus, I’m sure they can work out some kind of way to clear Chandler out when Amar’e is working a pick and roll with a guard or Melo.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
i'm just saying
i think an amar’e melo p&r combo is not especially good, because they don’t really create mismatches.
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Just don't think it's a realistic solution...
to start a second round draft pick (no matter how good… not a knock on Jorts at all) over the 100 million dollar superstar that brought our team back to relevance…
Everything will fall into place when we have a point guard…
As how things currently look,
you could be right.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
as per how they looked last season
wildly wrong. things go up and down. right now amar’e is playing below his career averages by a ton. its only a matter of time before the grass grows back.
and when it happens- i want you fools the hell off my lawn.
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why do you hate David Lee?
His last few seasons have been steady and Amar’e’s been trending down and has bad knees/back/eyes.
why did you say i hate david lee?
last year stoudemire’s points per game, assists per game, free throw %, 3pt %, blocks per game, all went up. and he played 78 games.
last year david lee’s points, rebounds, free throw % and field goal % went down…
i’m speaking on the trend. and you are mistaking the trend for what you wish was the trend so that you can justify your point of view. while disregarding that trends come and go.
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and besides all that
the reason i like stoudemire more than lee (and i like both of them immensely) is two fold:
first- dwelling on the past and pining for other team’s players is fuckin corny and weak.
second- when it comes down to it, and we need one basket, or one stop or one whatever, and its for all the marbles i have more faith in stoudemire than i ever could in lee. its about that attitude that you cannot be contained. lee doesn’t have it.
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Lee made at least one popular game winning shot
And in crunch time, Lee’s numbers blow away Stoudemire’s so much that it’s silly that you are more comfortable with Amar’e. I guess you’re more comfortable with him because you’ve heard his name more times.
I’m a fan of the Knicks first, players second. Just because a guy is on the Knicks doesn’t mean I have to fondle his balls. I’ll take David Lee and his game over Stoudemire and his attitude. Too bad you find enjoying good basketball to be corny and weak.
meanwhile
i said up above that i’d be perfectly happy with stoudemire coming off the bench. with the mindset of ‘whatever it takes to have good basketball’.
but humor me, what are lee’s crunch time numbers vs. stoudemire’s.
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i think lee will stay around 50
i think amar’e will get to 50 soon enough. amar’e never shot below 47% for a season.
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that arguement
is corny and weak.
Stoudemire has been better than Lee every year. After Lee got paid, their salaries arent even that far apart. Lee was actually regressing last year, on a team that puts up inflated numbers and sucked balls. When Lee was on the Knicks, they were never anything short of horrible.
If you wanna take these past 13 games as gospel, be my guest. I’ll take Amare
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 17, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
one is an injury that healed
the other is multiple injuries that keep getting worse, along with lack of effort.
Lee's the kind of player who's a hero for people who look at stats but don't watch games
and those people generally don’t work for NBA teams, unless they manage awful franchises with no assets and no hope, possibly located in a large city in Texas
TYBG
I'm guessing you're referring to Houston
But if they were looking at stats, they’d not have hired McHale, or signed Flynn or Hill. And they’re still better than the Knicks despite the same record.
I’ve seen years of games with Lee and Amar’e. You see better stuff when you watch Amar’e? You see more winning? I don’t. And even if you think you do, it’s a confirmation bias and a recency bias, along with the superstar attitude bias.
hahahahahaha
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
"recency bias"
is the basis of your entire argument against stoudemire.
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re: recency bias
http://www.investmentu.com/2009/January/investment-portfolio-2.html
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Congrats on learning what a recency bias is
You thought the Knicks were good just because they played well with Amar’e for a short time last season. And now you’re stubborn and don’t want to change your mind.
the whole basis of your argument
is that David Lee has played better for 13 games. You’re the most stubborn cat on these boards.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 17, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Moreover, the past is the past.
I don’t get the “I told you so” attitude. I mean spilled milk dude. Does he have another motive than complaining about the past?? Send a letter of disdain to Dolan. The post is about how we progress in the future. The present reality train is moving on without you…. if you can’t see that you’re even more stubborn than Mr. Bonner stated.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
I rooted for....
David Lee during his days at Florida, and he was a favorite of mine during a couple of very horrific Knick seasons.
But you don’t have to watch much basketball to see that Stoudemire is the considerably better player — regardless of the stats. Just the “eye test” tells you this.
clearly suffering from
visual bias
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 17, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
that makes no sense
Considering I also would rather see Bill Walker than Landry Fields, and I wish Balkman had more minutes. You could just as easily assume I’d like Amar’e more for being Jewish, you racist.
somebody hates defense
get away from the defense!
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by stingy d on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Landry Fields threatens you
because you fancy yourself an intellectual, Walker and Balkman are plug-and-play role players, i.e. easily controllable unlike superstars, i.e. your masturbatory delight. You like watching basketball because it’s something to codify, a mathematical puzzle, not because you enjoy it or find beauty in it. I’m making this up as I go along and I’m still more right than you are. hahaha basketball beep boop
TYBG
by The Rooster on Jan 17, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At least your honest about making stuff up
and that earns you a rec.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Lee made $11 million, Amare $17 million
Not close in salaries, but close in contribution to winning. Knicks would have made the playoffs if they had Lee last year, but probably with a worse record. Golden State wouldn’t have made it with Amar’e. This year, I think the Knicks would be a win or two better.
If it was 1 on 1, I’d choose Amar’e.
They Couldn't have made the playoffs with more than a 4 game worse record
And talking about what could have happened when it didn’t is really childish. You have zero proof that David Lee whose 5 years as a knick did not even have the team whiffing a .500 record would have made the playoffs as the teams best player last season. So stop the madness. David Lee was the face of the Worst period in Franchise history. 28 wins per season. End the discussion.
by Robert Curre on Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lee was injured with Wilson Chandler's teeth
freak accident. He’s recovered and playing well now. Stoudemire played one of his worst seasons last year. His number were up when he was the only focal point, but that went down once Melo came. His percentages were subpar all season. And of course his defense was as bad as Lee’s despite blocks.
lee can have a freak injury
but amar’e can’t?
knee problems dried up 5 years ago, killa
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roy played on his bum knee
amar’e got pre-emptive surgery…
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You know what?
Lee’s a better one on one player in terms of efficiency. But Amar’e, for all his defensive weaknesses, is a significantly better defender than Lee.
Also, Amar’e makes plays that intimidate and demoralize the other team. Lee doesn’t.
Right now, sans point guard, I think Lee actually might be better for this team. But with a point guard? I’d take Amar’e in a heartbeat.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
we got this guy... uh....
jeremy lin. he did this stuff just last season…
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That video makes me very happy...
And that wasn’t even a full season worth of highlights…
that wasn't even all of his cavs games!
just the one’s that were inspiring wins.
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hey man
this stuff happened in the first half of last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzrJJfomCYs&feature=related
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Man, I LOVE how Baron plays....
can’t wait for him to get healthy. And all this was from last year when he was “unmotivated” and “out of shape”….
His presence is going to change our team dynamic dramatically…
to pass the time until then
the only thing good enough for me is auto-erotic asphyxiation. hopefully i live to see baron play for the knicks!
the only other team i root for is the warriors, and needless to say- when baron and the warriors had that playoff run a few years ago, i was constnatly elated. it was like basketball was my auto-erotic asphyxiation.
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david lee is one of the worst defenders
i don’t think his 2 more rebounds per game makes up for it.
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especially not the game winning blocks...
lee stays gettin those.
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Amar'e is not trending down
unless you use small samples for confirmation bias.
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Team would have been better; Lee is shooting about 64% from the field over the last week and averageing 10.4 rbs.
Lee is also a better passer, sets picks as well.
Daniello is leading Denver in scoring, and Chandler is in China?
Whoever was responsible for not signing Lee and signing Amare and trading for Carmelo
should be shot.
Walsh was already on the hook for trading 2 number 1 draft choices and lottery pick Jordan Hill for
McGrady who played only 24 gms for NY
And you think that Lee will continue to shoot 64%?
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
So a front line of David Lee, Danilo Galinari, and Wilson Chandler....
would be better than Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire, and Carmelo Anthony. Oh and we should have Jordan Hill to come off the bench, as well? That’s pointing us in the right direction? I guess you would have wanted to keep Chris Duhon at the point or would you rather we still had Stephon Marbury…
Of all the ridiculous things I’ve read on this site this might be the most ridiculous…
No No No Silly!
Just get rid of D’Antoni and his band of clowns known as assistants first.
With a new coach wand system of running and playing defense will come sooner then later.
8 million dollar coach and a band of clowns known as assistants collecting paychecks is not the answer.
So what your saying is
We can get like Nanny McPhee and she can wave her magic wand and all the warts will fall off and we’ll all live happily ever after! Awesome!
idk I love D'Antoni but this just isn't the team for him
he needs a team where he can be radical and progressive and the Knicks have never been it
I’m sad, and am pretty much a Wolves fan right now, not that I have time to watch much basketball at all. The Knicks are probably a sleeping giant though, come playoff time, if we just steal the Memphis playbook or something
TYBG
this is where he should go
much better coach than del negro who is awful
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
"the Knicks have never been it"
but also, they kind of were, for a few months there. before we did something or other, i forget.
Not really
That team was fun, but ultimately severely limited. If we’d had an elite PG instead of the overrated Felton it’d have been a different story, but getting one (Deron/Paul?) would’ve required giving up all our assets anyways.
TYBG
...for Paul and Williams to be traded while Amare wasted his prime on an unattractive .500 team?
Highly doubt “waiting” would’ve led to one of them coming here
TYBG
by The Rooster on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but how can you make that prediction?
First of all, you need all the chips to fall – New Jersey sucking, Lopez getting hurt – and we still don’t even know if Howard will be traded there…
…then you need Deron to decide to come to New York, surely coming off two .500 seasons with a frustrated Amare begging for help, Chandler begging for a contract, no center, no shooting guard, instead of going home to Dallas to potentially play with Dirk and Howard… I mean you can’t take those chances, you get an elite player when you can. There are so many factors at play, you can’t just naively assume everything would be as it is now and we could just roll out the red carpet
TYBG
by The Rooster on Jan 18, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Likewise, you can't assume other marquee players wouldn't have been available
Does Deron even get traded to the Nets in the first place if the Melo deal doesn’t go through? Could anyone have foreseen the CP3 trade saga shaking out the way it did? Did anyone expect us to ditch Billups and go hard after Chandler? Or that Lamar Odom would be given away for nothing? Etc. Etc.
The NBA personnel merry-go-round is wacky. Having one marquee player, a team that is young and improving and a bunch of trade chips and cap space mean you can make deals to improve the team. Having all your salary tied up in long term deals for three players who don’t fit well together means your prospects for improvement are limited, to say the least. Standing pat until another, better deal became available (and based on all the player movement that happened after the Melo deal, it probably would have) would have been the much better move.
Hell, if Gallo continues to kill it the way he has been for Denver so far this season, he alone is a better value at $3 million than Carmelo is at $18 million. By a lot.
If Gallo
Keeps playing well he’s gonna get at least 8 or 9 mill…he’s a free agent after this season
by Kupe on Jan 18, 2012 1:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
agreed
i like mike, but i’m not so sure this is the team for him anymore. it’s a bad fit. we’ll see what happens as the year goes on i guess. maybe having baron will make a big difference. i think going after aaron brooks or j.r. smith in a couple of months makes a lot of sense too.
i think there are other coaches who could have made this roster work better, but we are very limited, so i don’t know if i can really assume that. we are probably the worst ball handling team in the league, and then our second best player is very limited when taken out of his niche. those are serious handicaps.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
What is killing me right now is that the Celtics
Have lost 5 in a row and their fans and media are handling it with class. They are not firing coaches, benching KG and whining. They figure, the team will get it together and there is still alot of basketball to be played. Folks if you are gonna whine and bitch like this save it for the end of the regular season. Do you Knicks fans realize that the team you idolize during the last lockout had to win 9 of their last 10 games to even reach the playoffs. That is right that team was 18-22 at the 40 game mark. So chill out folks. The Knicks will make the playoffs. Then you can bitch moan and fire the coach, revise history and act like spoiled brats. Until then be happy that you have basketball to watch and keep it moving.
for the record, their coach and their players...
have earned a reprieve and faith by winning a championship ring not too long ago. we have 2 stars who have earned only all-star births (individual awards based on stat accumulation) and a coach who has had some high win season, which may or may not be attributable to his coaching ability (see steve nash).
they also went 66-16 the FIRST year they brought together a collection of stars… we’re almost to 16 after 2 weeks (and a couple months last year… yeah yeah… shortened training camp).
by bucketsncents on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
but celtics fans have known for a couple of years that their best years are behind them
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People are just kinda over-reacting w/ the Knicks right now
I do believe they can’t play this bad for the whole season….but Boston won a championship and have been back to the Finals w/ the big 3….not a great comparison to the state of the Knicks…
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
13 F---------ing games people
I could see this if we are on the 50th game, well no I probably wouldn’t but that’s another story. Stop overreacting and think logically. And the Boston won a championship deal is not valid here. This is NY if the Knicks won a championship 4 years ago, we would still be acting like this. Coughlin won a championship 4 years ago, how many people wanted him fired just last month? Joe Girardi won in 2009 and there are people who want him gone and half the team traded. This is what we do here, overreact but just because we have developed this habit, does not mean we should not change it.
by Robert Curre on Jan 18, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Stodemire/Bench?
This is a very foolish idea. It also avoids what the real problems are for this team.
Maybe trading Stoudemire back home to Florida is the way to go. Orlando gets a star player under contract and we get a player whom we have to take a chance to resign.
Then next year we can D.Williams his buddy if we sign Howard.
It also allows us to send T.Chandler out maybe for K.Love? Add L.Fields if we have to sweeten the deal for a yes.
2012 Knicks:
PG/D.Williams
SG/I.Shumpert
SF/C.Anthony
PF/K.Love
C/D.Howard
OOPs! Also the termination of D’Antoni and the whole coaching staff.
please stop
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 17, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
And the thinnest bench in league history!
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Jan 17, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
For Now
The bench gets built with palyers whom want to come to NYC and win. Do you think we a have a bench now and the right coach to win?
The answer is no. The starting five mention s solid and better then any first unit out there.
Yes would be next and not the way it used now based on many players playing out of position.
i'm sure minny is waiting for us to offer
chandler for love. even kahn isnt that stupid.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
well i tell you what
the way it is right now- there’s no way anybody is going to entertain the notion of coming to the knicks in the offseason. because they don’t want to contend with bill walker and mike bibby for minutes.
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I don't think we should do anything drastic with Baron Davis so close to returning.
If it continues to be as bad as it’s been with Baron on the floor (unlikely), then I’d actually be in favor of trying something like this.
The media would raise hell, but at the end of the day, it really doesn’t hurt to try.
We’re losing anyway. Might as well look like we’re trying.
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions
change the head line
what kind of coach are you if you cant play the cards your dealt…….obviouly we have great individual players….any adequate coach should be able to mold the players into a team and the lock should not be blamed cause d’antoni already knew who his main players were gonna be….so tell cable boss dolan to give mike the door
hustle and hustle with muscle
That's a load of B.S.
NBA players can’t be “molded” into whatever is needed. No coach on this planet can get Melo and Amar’e to gel together without an elite point guard. If you need to blame someone, blame Dolan for forcing that trade.
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Trade Melo for a solid PG
And then sign Wilson Chandler when he gets back from China. Lets admit it Melo is a great player but does not fit in this system.
by I know smart people on Jan 17, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions
any contract wilson signs will get matched by denver
ANY CONTRACT. best bet is to hope he signs the qualifying offer and we can get him when he’s unrestricted.
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well, you assumed that melo doesn't fit this team
i assumed that we won’t be able to offer wilson chandler chump change to play in new york…
i have rightly assume that basically im right, and you’re essentially wrong.
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You know what they say...
Don’t argue with a pig, no matter how asinine their point….cause you both get dirty and the pig likes it.
by I know smart people on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
oh man, i'm so sorry, i apologize, please forgive me
i didn’t want you to live in a fantasy world where wilson chandler’s grow on trees and there are point guards that people will trade to the knicks for carmelo anthony that are worth our while.
i’ll never do THAT again!
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Denver media has been saying that the team is looking to make a commitment to Galo
and that means they don’t expect they will have the room to sign Will too
I was watching some Nuggets games and thats what they were saying
on their local broadcast. I wasn’t being attacky towards you or anything. Its likely he ends up somewhere else NJ and some other teams were mentioned as having interest and space to sign him.
its cool
i was more just like, i’d like to read about that.
i find it hard to believe that denver wouldn’t pay wilson chandler any offer sheet he signed, and deal with gallinari in the off season. i mean- to me chandler is seriously better than gallinari. but they also work very well together.
eventually they would have money locked in to nene, harrington, afflalo, and chris andersen. plus gallinari potentially.
i’d think they would certainly want ty lawson back… and if they are going to spend that type of money onthat level of talent, you’d think they would bite the bullet and pay chandler, who can contribute all over the floor.
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I was wondering when the "It's Melo's fault" posting would appear!!!
In the poster’s pool, who had 12:18pm… 12:18pm, who had it in the pool. Please come collect your winnings at the front desk.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
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it's much easier to change the system than to get another carmelo . . .
the only d’antoni system guy left is amare anyway. everyone else is a scrub or chandler or shumpert who aren’t really d’antoni system players anyway.
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Now Your Thinking
You get it round pegs in square holes does not work.
D’Antoni is the major problem.
Look at the 49’ers they won six games last year with the same team as this year.
New system and pride they go out and win 13 games.
D’Antoni and his band of clowns should be released asap.
I wish people would stop making up these insane trade responces
to fixing the Knicks problems. When we were all yammering about the Melo trade last year, they were actively trying to find a taker being they knew he wouldn’t sign. Minus Howard, who is kinda on the block (and won’t be had with what we have to offer) there aren’t many realistic trade scenarios out there. Stop making shit up, this is not a video game!!!! I think the fire D’antoni thought is kind of premature as well. Most likely, this is our team and D’antoni is our coach until season end. Crying about the past (who was traded) or constructing the most “perfect” team with your magic wand isn’t cathartic. This team needs to figure it out… together. Furthermore, I think benching Amare’ is crazy. He’s struggling but as pointed out, the decline in numbers isn’t sharp enough to after 13 games even consider that. Give it time people. Give it till at least mid season to light the torches & break out the pitchforks.
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by Ren Carlos on Jan 17, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Great idea
if you want to make it impossible for the Knicks to contend for years to come.
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by Russ on Jan 17, 2012 5:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Right! Let me just flip this switch that turns on the "force trade mode"
That should do it!!! Now I can give the Magic Jerome Jordan for D12 and add Michael Jordan to the active Knick roster. Instant winners!!!!
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
No, I'm sorry, the salaries for Jerome Jordan for D12 won't match; you'll have to settle for Blake Griffin
But on the plus side, you can get Joakim Noah for Bill Walker, though Chicago has to give NY 5 future 1st Rd Picks to make the trade work.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Who's Candler?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Re: "Get both Melo and Amare out of here."... comes in 2nd for Why this Poster Hates Melo...
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
i vote yes...
preferably off of somebody else’s bench.
i know, harsh. but he and melo just don’t feel or look right. granted, it ain’t gonna happen and melo has far more trade value (which also won’t happen), but i’d love to have a roster that makes more sense and is more complimentary.
in that case
you don’t get to enjoy the team when amar’e starts to run the pick and roll again.
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alright, he can stay...
but melo better grow the fuck up and realize he’s causing atrophy in the rest of his teammates.
by bucketsncents on Jan 17, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
And the Bronze Medalist for the I Hate Melo Sweepstakes
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
bronze? damn, i'm goin' for the gold...
i just want him to read the headlines, listen to his critics and evolve…
by bucketsncents on Jan 18, 2012 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
as long as we start W.Chandler at the 3
A.Stoudemire/PF can come off the bench
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