Postgame Thread: Suns 91, Knicks 88
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Ugh
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the only team we can beat are ourselves
we lost this game at the freethrow line
by blackhova on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah that's a big part
Melo and Amare missing, what, 32 shots doesn’t help either
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Forget free throws
Melo and Amare combined to miss 8 (EIGHT) shots from 5 feet or less. They missed at least 3 layups and dunks off the top of my head. There’s your ballgame right there.
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Jeffries was 1-3 tonight for 2 pts in 18 min
Not So Fun Fact: Jeffries tied for the team lead in FGs made and FG% off the bench tonight.
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You gotta give some props for that make though...
That was very sweet by Jefferies standards…
they need to step back and figure this out
Back to the drawing board. Yea, we need a point guard, but we should at least figure out how to beat a terrible team, when we have a few great players on our team.
"If it ain't broke, don't break it." -Charles Oakley
by Tony Marciano on Jan 18, 2012 10:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe
Melo should stop shooting so much if he can’t shoot because his wrist hurts. 5-22? Man, that hurts. Melo and Amar’e were 12-44, the rest of the team was 20-42.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Seriously, if/when the Knicks drop the next two games
D’Antoni might start having to worry.
D'antoni has been done for a long time
He knows it, his players know it, everyone knows it. It’s just a matter of not wanting to pay two coaches at the same time.
Dolans are always more about the money than the wins.
interesting perspective… but alas, it applies more to your nets than our knicks.
by superturboultra on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you know this because....?
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Where there is smoke there is fire
Just look at the Knicks when they play. They don’t give a sh**. D’antoni has given up on his system. He doesn’t have a contract extension or a PG. You really think this season is going to work for him? He was 1) set up from the start to fail 2) Is being successful at actually failing.
Now go back to your skepticism.
again, I gotta quote Dr Evil here
riiiiiiiiiiiiight
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I don't know about that
It’s pretty obvious that our team itself is clearly at fault as well
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
He should be in big trouble already – all this talent and can’t throw it in the ocean – something is dreadfully, terribly wrong. We’re losing – at home – to really, really bad basketball teams. No excuse. None.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
other than the obvious ones
very little roster stability, no preseason, no facilitator.
by superturboultra on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not sure why this offense sucks.
Maybe attempting to intensify the defense? Really though the offense should not suffer because the defense. Move around a bit.
I've had this thought
and as much as i deplore D’Antoni’s system, I almost wish they’d cut this shit out and go back to it. just for this season
our coaching staff should be able to make a system that utilizes their strengths
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by Tony Marciano on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry but they're getting their shots. Hpw bout we put the blame where it belongs and admit they might want to start making those shots
Melo and Amar’e took dumb shots and also had ALOT of good takes that didn’t go in. Melo doesn’t properly use the PnR when say Chandler sets a screen for him alot – at least to my eyes – but rather dribbles back to reset for another post up or dribble drive. The chemistry is still missing and if you watched Phoenix, it’s awful nice having a point guard that can actually run and control the offense.
Fields and Shumpert had good shooting games! Wow!
Melo and Amar’e both stank! Melo should sit til he heals and Harrellson should get more minutes
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions
Yeah really
The knicks need to learn how to play without relying on Melo iso’s anyway, and he needs to heal.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Jorts does SO much for us
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know why Steve Novak doesn't lay
I’ll take 2-3 three pointers from him a game
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can't tell if not sending him to D League is a nod or a middle finger
because as of right now, he’s just rotting on the bench. He needs minutes
I don't know whether or not I'm mad at Melo for hitting that 3
It made his stats look a little more OK and gave me hope
"We lost this game at the free-throw line"
Really?! I just looked at the boxscore and I see Anthony 5/22 and Stoudemire 7/22, but we lost it at the line?! It is friggin’ really difficult to shoot this badly night in and night out. What a f***ing joke.
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by Vacafan on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They are at fault too...
but 67% as a team, 10 misses, when we lost by 3…that hurts like a bitch.
haha
i think tonight melo was on that weird mode where you have to flip the knob to shoot. i can never make those.
by superturboultra on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Melo had 3 assists in the first , then 1 for the rest of the game
missed the second half..what happen
he started shooting
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considering he only had 4 first half shots
he needed to get way more assists
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Well, Dudley and Fyre didn’t exactly pan out.
Nash killed the Knicks with 26 points and 11 assists.
Grant Hill and Shannon Brown both had 14 points, but the committee has decided to award Shannon Brown for his soul-crushing, triple bounce 3 that killed what little momentum the Knicks had.
Interesting fact: Watching the Knicks can be really depressing.
I think we need to bring in a shooting coach
This makes 6 straight games we’ve shot under 42% and we’ve been under 50% every single game this year. It’s ridiculous.
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When Baron gets back
I suspect we’ll be saying “can we just cancel all the games until next season.”
can someone explain what MDA's offensive strategy is?
cause it doesn’t seem like we even run plays
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Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's true
We don’t run plays. They’re just told to improvise, which works great except that we have mostly terrible improvisers on our team.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
How is this offensive performance on D'Antoni?
Your supposed superstars are missing layups and dunks and jacking horrendous jumpers. Is Pringles supposed to run out on the court and stop them from shooting?
it would be nice if we had a new strategy
or any strategy other than just improvise
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Melo played injured and went 5-22
I place this loss on D’antoni for not reducing his playing time in this game. The loss isn’t even that important. Why place extra stress on Melo’s body when he’s not contributing to the win? D’antoni should have sat Melo down and played Balkman.
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I can't believe I'm defending D'Antoni so much when there are legit issues with his coaching but
how many coaches in the NBA have the stature to sit a team’s top star if he wants to play and if the medical staff clears him? I’d say Phil, Pop… and I think that’s it. If anyone else, unfortunately including D’Antoni, tries to do that, he risks alienating his star and making matters worse.
Stars are already alienated
Just saying. Last year Amare was talking Dantoni up — not even mentioned anymore. His last defender is gone. D’antoni is just waiting out this season.
The real problem is we don't have the personnel
I don’t care how much love we want to lap on our bench players
Hey we won!
Rebounding…54-38
That’s kind of a big problem seeing that we lost. 20/30 from FT? bleh
oh so THAT is what 12/44 looks like...
by superturboultra on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I just don't understand
All the switching on defense. just confusing. Also I agree Melo needs to gauge things and shoot less of it ain’t droppin’.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
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by Ren Carlos on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM EST via Android app reply actions
What's worse is it might - repeat might work - but the effort defending perimeter shots isn't theree
Oh, they might put a hand up, one hand mind you, but don’t actually look like it’s effort. Guys just have the right amount of space to get off a clean look and set their feet
Wow Amar'e with 4 assists
Led the team?
In a tie but still
says a lot doesn't it?
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
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by Ren Carlos on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kind of happy for him, he doesn't usually pass more...
but yea overall this system should produce a big assist player probably, you know, a PG.
"I just feel like no one really has that drive"
+1
This worries me.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Baron must be the son of a prophet
to keep motivated on the bench amidst all this. The sooner he comes back, the less I have to worry they’ll spoil him
other teams like the heat, sixers and bulls?
a lot of teams are struggling right now, we are not alone
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i dont think that's the same thing
those teams have had serious success and winning records, along with definite brighter futures (except maybe the 6ers, too early to tell). Those teams are in slumps; we have real deep issues
given, this could all blow over and you could be right
just giving the other side, the one i’m leaning toward at the moment
I wasn't referring to them struggling
I was thinking those teams are more the exception, as most NBA teams are struggling to ‘gel’
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The Bulls hung 118 points on this same Suns team the night before
without Derrick Rose!
So um. Guys. What happened?
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions
Defense wasn't the problem
Do you even watch games or just spout tired old cliches
by Tautologist on Jan 18, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I watch every game
I also can see.
3rd quarter both teams scored 19
4th quarter both teams scored 27.
All it takes is a little DEFENSE. This team has offensive firepower, it doesn’t need as much work as the D does.
The reason they scored 27 is opportunities
We outrebounded and I think evcentually won the turnover battle but we did not convert those turnovers. Horrible shots and embarrassing layups from Melo tonight. I can’t stress enuff that Amar’e and Melo may be stars, but they are not leaders. Shump lollygagged time off the clock and not fouling Nash and Chandler is right in his ear hollering. We got a defensive leader. Let’s hope Davis takes that reign on O.
dude..if the opposing team scores 91 points to win and the losing team has Melo and stat......then the offense is the problem. Sir.
wake up and smell the Brazilian coffee
Aside from Amare
our D is pretty solid
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Well,
coming into today they were 11th in defensive efficiency(& will probably improve after today’s game) which is an improvement from 21st last year. The problem is they’re 23rd in offensive efficiency after being 5th last year. The defense is decent enough, the real problem is the offense.
And if not, I turn around & say forget it.
The teams they've played have had more to do with their defensive efficiency
And if that’s how bad the offense is performing, doesn’t that say fire Mike even louder since that’s supposedly his thing?
You're just someone who will never be satisfied
I have no explanations for the offense either, but Melo (tonight) and Amar’e are missing shots they routinely made last year (and in Melo’s case, has been making most of this season). That has nothing to do with D’Antoni.
Everybody said fire D’Antoni when we sucked at defense, and now we’re probably going to become a top 10 defensive team in the league after this game.
Only reason I could see for firing Mike is because the team just is not executing in any sort of fashion
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I would like to thank Time Warner and MSG
For shielding me from this.
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Fire Gilbride
Giants / Knicks / Yankees / Rangers
5 ways to make the team just a little bit better:
1. Re-teach Amare how to shoot a basketball. He was automatic on those midrange jumpers last year. What happened?
2. Fix whatever’s wrong inside TD’s head so we have an actual offensive threat off the bench.
3. More pick-and-roll between Melo and Chandler, especially when Amare is on the bench.
4. Stop switching on defense. I can’t emphasize that enough.
5. Make Free Throws. That shouldn’t be too difficult.
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Why the hell do we never see a Melo-Amare PnR?
Post Chandler on one of the blocks and let those two work on the opposite elbow. Should be enough space
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You have to call that play.
Nobody calls plays anymore. Why? You tell me.
you don't even have to call that play
just come out and set a pick, then roll to the basket
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Several big reasons
1. Tyson Chandler’s range = Tyson Chandler’s wingspan, so when Amar’e rolls to the basket guess who’s man is waiting for him (you’ll notice the reverse is not true on Melo/Chandler PnR plays—Amare’s man usually stays with him on the weakside)
2. Amar’e doesn’t like to set real picks, he likes to quickly slip screens and flash to the basket. This means he often beats his man to the rim but you have to have really good timing to hit him with the pass and Melo’s not that great a passer
3. When they force a switch on a pick there’s not much of a mismatch to take advantage of because 3/4 can guard Stat and Melo with roughly equal effectiveness when they are 15-20 feet from the rim
The switching is annoying, but it’s amazing that Chandler is sooooo good that he almost never gets burnt by the smaller guy he gets left on.
Amare gets burnt by whomever he is left on
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Chandler maybe...
but when Shumpert is guarding a 7 footer, or Amar’e is on a PG…no good.
Shump tries so hard though
it’s quite admirable.
by Chuck Burly on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Fire Dantoni
His offense clearly wont work with these players and i have a feeling baron wont be the answer.
Halpy 2.0
Fire Dantoni
Baron should help a lot
but this offense is not MDA’s – it is shit, smelly smelly shit
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He should have been able to keep his offense through whatever else is going on
new philosophies, whatever. he should have been able to keep it going
did u hear the stat quotes before the game? pretty telling..
To paraphrase he said everything runs smoothly with him..i miss him. Ouch.
BTW
Chandler’s FG% this season: .696
The rest of the team’s FG% this season: .398
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and he takes no more than 5 shots most nights
and those are all within 10 feet
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I've always wanted Steve Nash
But after single-handedly handing the Knicks a debilitating loss, I want him a little bit more
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions
I just realized that it can get worse....
if we lose to the Bucks on Friday…
Oh the Milwaukee Bucks
Haven’t heard of them since the days of Ray Allen and “Pretty Boy” Sam Cassell
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 18, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Melo-led
Since when has that selfish ball hog ever been a leader?
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
He's our leader
even the Titanic had a captain.
by Chuck Burly on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Baron Davis has yet to play a game for the Knicks
And he’s shown me more leadership in his short time with the Knicks then Melo ever has in his entire career.
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
This is true...
Baron was looking like an assistant coach tonight. He’s going to make a big difference!!!
Baron has become mentor
To young Shump and I cannot wait to see the chemistry he builds with this club
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
While it sucks to drop these early games...
We HAVE to realize that we are missing a big piece. Baron is going to change the team drastically…
I'll be damned if this team isn't the WORST at capitalizing on momentum or runs
Seriously, how many times have we seen them get a little groove, get the crowd going, start to build some momentum, only to turn the ball over, or allow some baskets, and squash what they had done the few previous plays.
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They do
But mostly to no avail. Every game they do it, and even if it’s a game that they win, they never are able to capitalize and build a big lead from it. They let it slip away
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They have ball skills and can pass, but thhey're not floor generals
Shump’s just too young but Melo would rather take over a game than take control of the O. Not hating on him. It is what it is
Yeah, can't really see this team ever gaining a big lead
especially one that amounts to the final score.
And the Wizards...
beat OKC…. OK. Anything can happen!
Well the got 13 more O Rebs
so of course they won! Oh wait…
by Chuck Burly on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that but...
Dwight Howard:
8 pts 10 rebs and they still beat us on Monday
24 pts 25 rebs and they lose tonight
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by bluecheese999 on Jan 18, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if OKC fans want their coach fired...
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Probably...
and they want to trade Durant and Westbrook for Gallo and Raymond Felton…
Have hope!
Knicks actually get a draft pick that can save them from this salary cap hell of overpaying crappy players if they finish in the bottom 5!!!!
/sarcasm
That's crazy
So crazy, it just might work
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
This team is missing it's Mojo....
If anybody in the league has Mojo to spare, it’s Baron Davis. These early losses suck but things will get better….
On the bright side....
1) Shumpert had a great shooting game which, on this team, is as critical as a coronary stent.
2)Landry had a great all around game
3)Melo is injured and Stat is out of whack. These are surmountable problems, especially with Biddy coming soon.
Yep...
Not that worried… When we start firing on all cylinders we are going to kick ass…
Exactly...
We had an amazing run last year that got us back in contention but we SUCKED at the beginning of the year!
I mean yeah but should we really condone sucking at any time of the year? Not with those salaries/ stars man, and I think that's what bothers people.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, it just seems like you guys accept us sucking, just because its early in the year, and I'm saying that's no excuse.
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by $100M Contract on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Let me try to explain using a sloppy metaphor...
I used to paint houses for a living over the summer. When we got to work on a house- the shittier we made it look in the early stages, the better it ultimately looked when we were finished. This team may be like that, I hope. Looking shitty now but once we’re done scraping and the paint goes on it’s going to look F-inf fantastic!!! At least this is my hope…
Hope you're right dude.
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by $100M Contract on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I want so bad for TD and Landry to get in a really good groove...
So we can maybe trade them for Nash.
TD and Landry make $12M between them?
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by $100M Contract on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dude seriously how would a trade like this be even possible?
Am I missing something? How on earth do those salaries work for a trade? But before even that, what makes you guys think that the Phoenix Suns don’t see the suckfest that usually happens between TD and Landry?
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by $100M Contract on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Props to Woodson
It was his job to come in and turn the defense into something respectable. Knicks are now emerging as a top 10 defense — with Melo and Amare playing 40 minutes a game. At least someone is doing their job.
+1
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by #MoreAboutNothing on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
IRONY
An offense team struggling to score
PS: The Knicks need to stop switching on screens every time! I’m sure we give up several points on mismatches every game
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by #MoreAboutNothing on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions
That's interesting
Mid-range jumpers are almost a lost art in the NBA.
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