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Bucks 100, Knicks 86: "I'd rather eat a cactus than watch these Knicks."

The above comment from Chocolate_milk is on the money. This is pretty difficult to watch. You sit in front of your TV for two and a half hours while the Knicks switch wildly and leave shooters open and that sadistic little imp Brandon Jennings runs amok for a season-high in points and the Bucks-- a team that was 0-8 on the road-- get easy buckets off turnovers and second chances and Carmelo Anthony flings isolation jumpers at the back of the rim and Amar'e Stoudemire strides directly into the chest of a help defender and Knicks throw passes off each other's necks and so many open looks get squandered that the ball stops moving entirely and the team goes eight-plus minutes without hitting a field goal and the crowd gets ornery and guys commit petty, retaliative fouls and half the internet celebrates the Knicks' demise while the other half thinks they can solve it by firing one guy or trading another and...

...really, eating a cactus starts to seem like a better option (and I'm assuming Chocolate_milk meant a raw, spiny one, not some tasty nopales). It's just as rough going down, but the pain doesn't last for quite as long. A few minutes of chewing, some esophageal bleeding, and you're all set to go do other things with your Friday night. And at no point does the cactus briefly morph into a delicious sandwich and give you pause, only to revert to its cactaceous form, only with longer, sharper spines, the foul stench of decay, and zero ball movement.

Eating a cactus > watching the Knicks right now. No doubt in my mind.

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Every game I tell myself it can't get any worse and every game the Knicks prove me wrong

So I’m going to try something different: It can and will get much worse

I’m also not going to be doing a JJ Shot Tracker tonight. It doesn’t seem fair to single out Jeffries when the entire team it playing like crap.

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by bluecheese999 on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

u still should

it may ce in handy later on

by blackhova on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Most Likely to Have a Career Game Tracker

Dejectedly reporting in.

Jennings scored a lot of points. More than he should’ve. So did Shaun Livingston.
Yep.

Interesting fact: Losing sucks.

by Mikel L on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

it's getting closer

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Kudos for heaping coals on my cranky evening:)

Time to put the heavy bag in a thai plum and go berserk

by screamedia on Jan 20, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You know

Its times like this you just feel like screw the sparring and just punch some random dude for revenge on how bad they’re playing.i see why random fights happen lol, its the knicks, although I am pretty drunk

by Kupe on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Holy shit

I have been saying they just need time but it is so painful to watch this.with the talent on the roster we should best most of the teams we’ve lost to. The offense is worse than most pickup games I play, just move the ball it isn’t that hard.

by Kupe on Jan 21, 2012 3:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

this is awesome, the only thing im sorry i missed tonight

also, what does it take to get a green thumbs up? i’ve been wondering a while

by mp987987 on Jan 21, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I left the audio on in the background as I was just too disgusted to keep watching.

Reporting in, Chairman Meow. How’s the sig look?

I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Jan 21, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

She's lookin' gooood

Now don’t go on hiatus now. I want a solid weeks worth of comments.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

First game I felt truly angry despite my optimism for seeing what Baron Davis can do and knowing no one else on this team can do it.

I just hope we’re getting Baron Davis the leader and not another guy who thinks putting this team on his back is a good thing. Team is the key

by screamedia on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

yes

he has 6 million reasons for why he will

by total hermination on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yea fire the coach

so some other idiot can try to help this terrible roster.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 21, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt firing Mike is the answer

the assistant coach will be running the same system. I doubt it’ll make a difference.

by chris-9999 on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Good call

we’d be so much better under Herb

by Joamiq on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry

I should have been more obvious

by Joamiq on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Herb Williams hacked him with a Swiffer

Is what happens when Firefox autocompletes previous subject lines for me. I was going to say something else, but this fits.

by superturboultra on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

As a Bulls fan I was hoping Knicks would be good this season and have some defensive skills.

But they suck soooooooo bad. They are painful to watch.
I hope you get it together.

by adocarbog on Jan 20, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

You as in the fans or you as in the team?

Cause you shouldn’t expect either to happen.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know if anyone cares, but...

The knicks starters threw up 56 shots. out of those 56 shots, melo took 26. The whole starting 5 went 23/56 for the evening.

by jimmy_b on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

6 of 24 from guards including Bully whether he played guard or not (still just a shooter)

Many of them open looks. As much as I hate ISo’s and wanna shred Amar’e and Melo (and they did plenty negative to go with any positives), how do you spread the floor when you can’t trust your team mates to make a damn shot?

by screamedia on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want them to forfeit their games for awhile and go practice offense and defense until they are ready

or at least stop caring about whether they win every game and just go out there and try to execute a god damn plan.

I didn’t get to watch much tonight, lucky me, but if they are going to constantly switch on D then go to a zone defense so Tyson can lock down the interior. On offense, MDA needs to tell guys where to be with actual offensive sets, instead of this improv as we go, give it to Melo when we are losing shit.

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by astromets on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

of course

MDA’s trying to play actual offensive sets. It’s an insult to MDA to say that he’t not giving his players actual plays. And no one knows if that’s really the like anything MDA draws up in the end…..it’s not like we would know because Melo doesn’t make these damn shots anyway.

Point is, they don’t trust each other so they’re doing these switches and it leads to holes, giving other teams open shots. I think out of all the defensive aspects, stopping the switches would be the easiest and the most effective and slowing offensive plays.

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The Knicks are running offensive sets, but whatever rhythm and movement there is in some parts of the game (and there is), it dies when Melo calls for isos.

I think there are some situations and matchups where the switching is OK… but there is no doubt that they’re going overboard. This is not a team full of interchangeable 6’6-6’10 swingmen. In particular, they’re wasting Chandler’s talents by having him out of the paint so much.

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

if they are than they break down quickly

or the players don’t stick to the plan and he needs to try something new

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Jan 21, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I’ve been thinking the same thing but couldn’t bear to say it out loud. We should form a support group.

by superturboultra on Jan 21, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

Methinks this team has bigger issues than missing Baron Davis

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by WSD on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

idr if it was the 1st or 1nd

quarter but there were two 3-pointers kind of close to each other. Jorts and Walker I believe. I was convinced MDA woke up and knocked some sense into his players…. Wishful thinking I guess

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Jan 21, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Jennings has told sources he has officially taken

The Knicks off the list he wants to be traded to until gets to that point in his career when he wants to take the money and dog it for a few years.

by I know smart people on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

they have a great future

and Khan appears normal after all. He has a good coach with young talent and things will only get better. Oh, and they have better record than us. Not only are they playing better, but they have a better record. We couldn’t beat them last year with our old team and we definitely can’t beat them now. we better hope we can beat the wizards, bobcats and even the nets now.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Baron Davis = Fools gold

Melo Is the issue. He’s like a magic trick…the ball goes to him and is never seen again by any of his teammates. The only time he passes is when he dribbles into a dead end for himself.

by I know smart people on Jan 20, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Had the Bucks feed tonight

whenever I unmuted it and Melo had the ball they would say ’He’s not passing, he’s not passing’

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by astromets on Jan 21, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

In the words of Spike Lee...

BLOW IT UP.

Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".

by B.Rush on Jan 20, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

It's okay to say it

Carmelo is not a “great” player. He wasn’t when we got him, and he isn’t now.

by mp987987 on Jan 21, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

normally a great scorer but he is not a great player and not for this team especially.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

yes sir

i also think he’s overrated as a scorer but I’m sure nobody wants to hear that. not a great player.

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

No

I think a lot of people would have agreed with that before the season

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

actually if Donnie had been more aware

we would have gotten Deron and not have to unload the house for him. We would have lost less players for Deron and he would be a better fit with our team from last year and coach MDA system. We probably could have kept Moz as well.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Donnie could have really done anything about it

He was against the Melo trade, but Dolan forced him to push it through at all costs

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

absolutely, and that's why phil jacksom or any coach wouldnt help

Number 7 got here because of Dolan and no coach can be a coach because he will get fired.

by RASHADI on Jan 22, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Phil Jackson don't take shit from no-body

Does Phil Jackson have to smack a bitch up? He would leave his rings on

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Utah was waiting until a Melo deal went through to trade D-Will

They wanted it to be as low-key as possible and they were going to whomever lost the Melo fiasco. Donnie has said he tried calling Utah about Deron and they said he wasn’t available.

Truthfully, it was great front office work by the Jazz

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http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!

by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Timo-FEY

Didn’t get the respect he deserved. I’m glad you keep him here as a real piece lost instead of most people like he never mattered

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Jorts and Shump are the two bright spots this year

So no doubt Dolan will engineer a trade that includes them.

by I know smart people on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

Fields and Shump together on a fast break is my favorite thing to watch

Throw them at the 3 and 2, respectively, when Davis is back and they’ll be a great duo

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.. they lost.. Welcome home.

Well, like someone from this site once said.. at-least La-La’s got big tits.

I say let’s trade Melo for Patrick Chewing and Derek Ricardo Harper.

PS- Is P&T gonna get sued because I posted Patrick Chewing?

Did this dude just did this?

by Rubbercons on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

Carmelo has not looked good with the Knicks.

Not the short time he played with the Knicks last year and not this year either. Of course he had a solid Nuggets team that included Camby, KMart, Iverson/Billups, Nene, Andre Miller and J.R. Smith, but his performance has been lackluster

by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

I wish we had seen this coming.

Or Dolan.

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Jan 21, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't say I saw this exactly

But I knew we didn’t need Melo, that he alone wouldn’t bring us a championship and we would suffer greatly from trading what we did. I never bothered to take the negative possibilities this far down the road, but here we are

by mp987987 on Jan 21, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The only who believed we needed Melo

are the same that see D’antoni as the roots of all evil. I didn’t see coming anything like this either, but I felt that that trade wasn’t right…and I miss last year’s team ’cause we could call that a team.

by Alessandro Bozzi on Jan 21, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

he probably ruined his career by coming here

should have stayed in Denver or go to the Nets since it was about location/money before anything.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:56 AM EST up reply actions  

you got two stars and a defense all-star and we cant beat the bucks?

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Jan 21, 2012 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

That was the WORST performance by a team I've ever seen in person

Honestly never seen so many careless back-court turnovers in my life. And they were still within striking distance at the end and had some momentum, but gave up a 3 and a layup with the crowd chanting D-fence. Just Putrid

by jectalo on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

Just a disgraceful performance by the Knicks. We lost to the absolute worst team the NBA has to offer and Stephen Jackson wasn’t even playing

by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 21, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

thats what the optimists don’t see. It’s not so much they losing some games but look at how they are playing. Even the teams with less wins than us are still playing more beautiful and they try hard. Will the real superstars please stand up? These clowns ain’t doing it, and I can’t remember a single quarter where the two clowns played well together. I am not talking about the occasional lobs or assists but consistently. I don’t see it anymore and it’s clear the two just don’t fit because both have low IQs and will try to take matters in their own hands when not necessary.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:59 AM EST up reply actions  

yuuuup

paying somebody like a superstar and babying won’t magically make your pumpkin a carriage

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Little tidbit, curtosy of Isola:
The Denver Nuggets, including the playoffs, are 30-16 since the Carmelo trade. The Knicks, including playoffs, are 20-26.

Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".

by B.Rush on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

Amazing

considering Gallo and Mozgov are all thats left. Felton was traded and Chandler has yet to play this year

by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 21, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

But think about it..

Could the Pre Melo knicks beat the heat???? this team CAN beat the heat if they get it right.

Halpy 2.0
Fire Dantoni

by halpy on Jan 21, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

that

Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".

by B.Rush on Jan 21, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

That's 1 out of 30.**

Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".

by B.Rush on Jan 21, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Thunder, Magic, Lakers, Warriors either

And frankly, I don’t think this team could beat Miami either

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the pre-Melo team with the addition of Chandler (Tyson)

Shump and Jorts could have very well grown into a team that could beat the Heat. This post Melo team has no chance in hell of beating the Heat unless Melo has a miraculous “George Foreman-esque” meeting with his maker and somehow becomes coachable and open to playing in a system where his is but one option and not the alpha and omega of the offense and he learns to share damn it. To share!

There I said it, and I am not sorry.

by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Stop blaming Melo.

If you were as skilled as Melo and your teammates were consistently missing their shots and showing no heart you’d try to put the team on your back too. Blame D’Antoni for not having his players do what they’re supposed to. Blame him also for not having the balls to bench people (looking at you A’mare).

In Donnie we trust.

by $100M Contract on Jan 21, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

dude melo has sucked

there’s no denying it. he’s been the biggest ball stopper and glory whore on this team, and it hasn’t worked.

Me and my squad build just like contractors
I break s***, you only give hairline fractures

by LatrellSprewell on Jan 21, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

okay, okay

but the only melo defense i’ll take right now is why is he playing on all his injuries. he shouldn’t be, and won’t get any better and could deteriorate further if he continues to. and even that is partly on him, as he could grow the balls to decide to sit

by mp987987 on Jan 21, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you....

Everybody blames Melo for everything but the real problem is if Melo doesn’t score, nobody scores. Amare has been awful, fields is just barely picking things up in the last 2 games but has been lackluster as well, Shmpert barely scores, Tyson is amazing on defense but can’t score unless he’s within 3 feet of the basket. . I mean we need points to win and nobody is getting them.

by robk on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

thats what they said

about Denver when Melo was there. Actually, everybody on denver now scores and I mean everybody. Wouldnt surprise me if G Karl came off the bench and pumped in a 3.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

very true.

he’s in a tough spot. coaching should play the ball away from melo as much as possible until we learn offense. and basketball.

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

did you read of the disparity in records?

are you serious?

The Nugs are very very good, the Knicks are very bad

What’s the argument?

Oh and Andre Miller, Brewer (both rotation players) and 3 draft picks come by way of that trade

Get real. Knicks were raped

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I've already disproven the Knicks were raped theory

The trade was even for both teams and each performed the same before and after the trades last season. Denver just was able to make better moves in the offseason and has a far superior system.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Denver was better right after the trade, not for what they did this off season!

Get serious, get your head out of the sand, dont be Dolans sock puppet.

Go ahead and love the Knicks, root for the Knicks, but please dont lose your mind, its not worth it.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, erniesto

meaning to ask you, how do I join the Carmelo Anthony fan club?

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

they can?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yea

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta be honest here, I don't see us turning it around this season.

It’s all on Baron now. I give us a less than 50/50 chance of turning it around. There’s something wrong on this team, it may be the coaching, it may be the players, I don’t know but something is horribly wrong in that locker room.

What I do know is that I’d rather have a team that wants to be out there playing their hearts out wanting to succeed and failing, than a team like the one we have now where NO ONE is showing any fucking heart.

Henrik Lundqvist said it best on 24/7, “New Yorkers are passionate about their teams because everyone in this city works hard for success and they expect the same out of their teams, that’s why I play hard…” (Not a direct quote but you get what I’m saying). This team has none of that. I’m disappointed and the team looks like they don’t care their fans are disappointed, and that’s what’s so sad, no pride.

In Donnie we trust.

by $100M Contract on Jan 21, 2012 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

Wow.

You’re so right dude. Because when I saw the Knicks last night I saw a team playing hard as hell and playing with unity and enthusiasm, a real joy to watch. They weren’t frustrated with each other, they weren’t trying to win by themselves no, they just had a few bad breaks and we can just attribute that to a bad night against one of the worst teams right?

….Right? Oh….wait, actually no I was watching the exact OPPOSITE of that. They played with NO unity, NO cohesion, NO enthusiasm, NO effort, NO pride and to me (and the rest of the planet) that means they’re not playing with heart. Call it a cliche’ all you want, but that’s the truth. It’s the reason we’re losing to worse teams than ourselves.

In Donnie we trust.

by $100M Contract on Jan 21, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

so maybe I'll just "accidentally" become a Nuggets fan

maybe I’ll tune into a Denver game and, seeing so many familiar faces, think I’m watching a Knicks game. “Oh hey, we’ve been looking pretty good since we traded for Nene,” I’ll say as I watch the most fun team in basketball.

by chris-9999 on Jan 21, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

D'Antoni is the right coach

But to steal someone else’s metaphor you can’t give a master chef rotten ingredients and expect a world class meal. Dolan blew this team up to get Melo and it destroyed us for at least 3 to 5 years.

And the NY Sticks tonight made me want to punch someone.

by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

I will keep repeating that its not the coach. I don’t care if phil jackson, pat riley or even god came to coach them it wouldn’t change. This team is garbage and can’t play together. Mda was winning the first season he got here with Randolp, crawford, richardson. Lee, nate etc. Sure, we had bad contracts but we had deep roster, good players, quick and fun to watch. They were winning also and then they were all traded away to save money for lebron, who had no intention to come here, and I don’t blame him. He is not suicidal and actually cares about his legacy, career and wants to win. I will just root for whatever team is playing the heat from now on.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 3:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Dolan blew up the team but ...

with Isaiah whispering the instructions in his ear. It is a total disaster. I admit that the team we were all cheering before the trade last year was not yet ready to be a championship contender but ….. think about if we had been able to keep it intact and then perhaps get Tyson Chandler this year. One of the weaknesses last year (pre-trade) was that Amare was having to play center much of the time and it finally starting wearing on his body. If we had kept that team, been able to get Chandler and drafted Shumpert as a shooting guard (his natural position), we still may not be an elite team but ….. I guarantee we would have been one big step closer to becoming one. The Melo trade has Isaiah’s fingerprints all over it …… giving up way too much for a one-dimensional scorer (just like he did with Marbury) who never won a championship nor is fully committed to a team concept of play.

by Jeff I on Jan 21, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not following this logic

A huge part of the problem is that having Chandler on the team is hurting STAT’s offense. The team would have been dealing with the same thing, only with a PG.

by superturboultra on Jan 21, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW !! I can't believe Melo said this

"You can’t compare our team to Denver’s team," Anthony said. "They got five starters from that trade. Denver’s a hell of a team. They’re one of the deeper teams in the NBA right now. We just want to go out and win (Saturday). It’s not about Denver. It’s much more about us."

Gee Melo, who’s freaking fault was that??

by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 21, 2012 1:13 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Thank you!

for the longest time saying anything close to that and you would get attacked by 30 different people saying the pre-melo team had reached its “ceiling” before the trade. Well is it possible that the very young team was tired heading into the All-Star break like a lot of other teams? Is it possible that with another year of individual development for our very young players + playing together another year we would have been building something special with players we actually drafted/developed? I mean Mozgov is starting for the Nuggets this year. Fuck.

by ubd on Jan 21, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell yeah!

Mozgov (my main mother fucker) took us for 16pts 7reb 6 of 11 shooting with 3 blocks tonight. Gallo had 37 and 11reb. Youth is huge in this league. No patience in this town.

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly. Is he sane?

This is the clown who forced the trade and didn’t wanna leave them "empty handed.’ do you remember that? and they were making fun of him after he was traded because the Nuggets were winning while he was struggling with the Cavs and Bucks. If he had played it smart instead and put Denver in a position where they take whatever they get or he walks, then we would still have most our players. He forced the trade and we had to gut the roster because of this one player who only cared about location for his wife and money, of course.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

is he sane?

yes, he knows what he did. And he’s got $20+ million each year, living in his home city to not give a shit and chuck up bricks.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 21, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You guys assume a lot in this need to hate.

Of a guy who basically has coasted through life on his talent. He’s not some business genius or mogul. He’s just a basketball player.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

There was a re-telling of the story by

Masai and some reporters on how he and Melo came to arrangement and it was basically “you help us out and we will help you get to the team you want”. It was in response to question about the Nets. It was an acknowledgement of the fact that he was never going to go the Nets. Melo was playing along with the Nets so they could squeeze us. It pisses me off because Melo literally went to Dolan during all-star weekend and told him “you need to give up more pieces or I’m going to NJ”. If hes not in the very least manipulative disingenuous jerk, how come he knew exactly which idiot in our organization he needed to target with his stupid fake-ass ultimatum?

by ubd on Jan 21, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, it was the GM who was re-telling the story during a Denver broadcast

like a week after the trade, and I am pretty sure something very similar was said during the press conference in Denver after the trade as well. I watched a lot of Denver games after that trade and I still do.

by ubd on Jan 21, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

RUBIOOOOOOOO

It's tough being a Knicks fan. Being a Giants and Yanks fan is great though.

by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 21, 2012 1:18 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit that was insane

It’s nice to think that fans in some far away land might be optimistic about their team.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Jan 21, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I have the 3-team subscription to League Pass Broadband

And I fully intend on watching more Blazers games. That’s an awesome team right there

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I have still not committed to buying LeaguePass

like I did last year. I think I will wait a while and see if BD and the boys can turn things around. I have not actually seen many games this year for which I am thankful. It’s much less painful hanging around here getting my pain delivered filtered and second hand, with a couple of laughs thrown in.

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by YuckFou on Jan 21, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

dude listen to my advice and avoid my mistake or you will regret

Don’t spend a cent on that unless you interested in watching the other teams but even then you giving money to dolan because they all benefit. Don’t spend a cent on these clowns. I’m boycotting them and have blurred the two clowns out my world just as dolan pretends like his critics don’t exist. I won’t ever mention their names again. I will just say dude with glasses or the other clown from denver. They don’t deserve to wear those jerseys and should never be mentioned in same sentence with ewing and other legends.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 3:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Imagine TY Chandler with the pre Mello Knicks

The knicks would be beasting teams, the Garden would be rockin’ for a young, balanced, athletic team

I would be afraid of what I’d do if I stepped into an elevator with Dolan

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:38 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

+1

his sex appeal and animal magnetism

by mp987987 on Jan 21, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

sounds nice but keep in mind that the dude with glasses cant play with centers

I’m not gonna mention his name anymore but you know who I’m talking about. He needs the whole court for himself to be effective so I guess he might as well play by himself along with nash passing the ball. It would seem nice if we had tyson with the team before the trade but it wouldn’t work because we have a trash who can’t play with centers. I guess he likes to score 20 to 25 but also give up 120 on the other end. The only kind of center her could play with are the kind who can shoot from far but then where is the defense coming from? Is he gonna make up for it?

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 3:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the dude with glasses plays well with a point guard

That same dude would not even need to be all that great because the team around him would be deep, young, big, fast, exuberant. MY Knicks would be flying!

The dude you are indirectly defending by putting down the better dude doesnt need a point guard because he plays a one on one game within a team sport. Unwatchable.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would be afraid of what I’d do if I stepped into an elevator with Dolan

I’d just laugh… and nothing would fuck with him more

TYBG

by The Rooster on Jan 21, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i have washed my hands and im done

I don’t care if they win tomorrow or not. This team is garbage and I’m done. I seriously hate this team and those two clowns(not worthy of mentioning their names). This is what it has come down to after 20 years. And then some had the nerves to compare that clown with glasses to patrick ewing because he had few good games last season at first. Not 8 games or 82 but try 15 years of hard work, lots of heart and great defense. This dude worried about making money off the court and reading Noah’s arc right now and is washed up. He is not a superstar but only appears that way when with an elite pg. The other clown also just wanted money and location more than anything and neither one of them are winners nor have the right mentality.

I say this is the worst knicks team ever and the reason its so hard is because those teams of the past decade were expected to suck but this is suppose to be the revision and the big payoff after years of losing and then losing intentionally because we were waiting for 2010 and here it is.

One thing I will not do is blame Mda for this. He is the most innocent of this and I feel sympathy for him that he came here and ruined his record but at least he getting paid for it. We have to make excuses for all these teams but it’s funny that Mda came here and the team he had started off winning right away. No excuses, no “bad shoulders” or “time” but they were playing well as soon as the new coach got here. We may have had bad contracts but we had a deep squad, young talent and they were playing nice. They were more fun to watch in that small time period and they would have made the playoffs and that’s all we got out of the “big 3” and that’s done. One playoff appearance and then a decline. There is something wrong here and I don’t believe even pat riley or phil could fix this because the two clowns don’t play good together.

I’m trying to remember just one good quarter where they have played great together; just one but can’t remember. I will not waste my time nor make excuses. My patience has reached its limit and I’m done. After 20 years, this is what it came down to and I wanna go to sleep and wake up when this nightmare is over. The 90s are long gone and this team can never please me like those warriors did. If they win tomorrowa, I don’t care and it will take a miracle for them to change my mood because winning one is not gonna do it. Have been let down too many times and I will say we are the worst team in th league now. Even teams with less wins than us are still better because they at least play nice basketball. This is boring and depressing.

I am throwing in the towel and I guess will just root for whatever team is playing against miami. I wish baron didn’t come here nor tyson because I really like those guys but the other two clowns are dead to me just as I am dead from within. I will just blur them out just as dolan blurs out the critics.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i dont have season tickets

i have league pass but it’s no longer for the knicks. I can just watch basketball when im not working. If i had Spike Lee money and had season tickets, you could have them.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Or ridiculous?

“One good quarter” together? They had a few good wins together last year, in fact they had more problems against bad teams than good last year after Melo arrived. They beat Miami, but they also had an actual point guard that night. They should be much better than this, even without a true point, but I would wait until Baron starts playing before washing your hands of them.

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by rxmeister on Jan 21, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

we also had a diff team last year

we beat Miami because we had Chauncey who brought us back with his pull-up three pointers in the first half and then hit a big 3 pointer toward the end, and got a big steal. You just brought back good memories of that game against Miami. Of course I am talking out of anger so I can’t really give up when I am an addict but I hope you feel my frustration with this team and him.

by RASHADI on Jan 22, 2012 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

MDA has a losing record with the Knicks, before Melo and after Melo. In fact, if you look at it, the Knicks are playing pretty on pace to match past seasons. I’m not sure why people think Melo changed things, because the record has pretty much been the same.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Goodbye

Proud member of the fire Brian Schottenheimer club
"Grunt and Punt offense"
"To all the nonbelievers..."
You knew the game when you got into it
"Planing for Manning"

by Jadden Hopkins on Jan 21, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha alright

Peace

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

WAY WAY WAY

TL,DR

Proud die-hard of the NFC West Champion San Francisco 49ers!
Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!

by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 21, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I know it’s frustration involved but it would take a miracle for this team to change my mood. I get a strange vibe from them and it’s almost like it’s not the knicks. I been a knicks fan since I was 12 years old(20 years now) and got my nickname “knicks” when I was 13 years old. I went to school with all those bandwagon bulls fans and had to put up with all those lames but I did it because those are the kind who jump from team to team every few years. I am just done with this team for the time being and who knows what will happen.

by RASHADI on Jan 21, 2012 4:42 AM EST reply actions  

Your friends nicknamed you "Knicks"?

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

Its time for Dolan to show up on Phil Jackson’s doorstep with a sack full of cash and a briefcase full of peyote.

This team is going to suck suck suck until someone lights a fire under their ass and makes some offensive changes. Baron Davis or not.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 5:41 AM EST reply actions  

MDA

For everyone blaming the Melo trade:

With the team that got traded away the Knicks were just 28-27. Basically nothing changed with the Melo trade, the numbers don’t lie. It was an even swap. Stop lying to yourselves and admit that this team is performing as typical as the Knicks have always has been under D’antoni — just with different problems. D’antoni is just a losing coach with the Knicks, and you can see other players playing better post trade than they were on the Knicks.

There is an Italian cancer on the bench.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That team reached offensive heights this team can only dream of.

This team has never come close to that level of pure basketball.

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Offensive heights mean jackshit when the game ends in loss.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

That offensive cohesion was a harbinger of better things to come. This team shows no signs of hope.

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Um ok?

A loss is a loss, and the Knicks lost just as many games as they won pre and post Melo, to shitty teams nonetheless. The run up to Melo was filled with losses.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

First of all, that's not true

Their record was better pre-Melo. 28-26 pre-trade, 20-27 post-trade. But secondly, that team worked through early struggles, found cohesion, then started to slip a bit and went through a rough shooting patch, but still was showing plenty of signs of hope. There was a system in place, there was proper spacing, guys knew their roles, and we had a bunch of different weapons. Amare, Gallo, Wil, and Felton were all scoring, and Landry was chipping in as well. If someone was having a bad night, someone else could step up. It was nothing like we’re seeing this season, where the team is showing literally nothing. It’s still early and I still think this team can turn it around. But they have a long, long way to go before they reach the level of basketball the pre-Melo team was playing. I think they can get there, but I don’t think we should expect to see it anytime in the next 15-20 games.

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Again, a Loss is a Loss and D'antoni has installed a losing system.

Now you’re just jacking with stats. You can’t compare this season’s team with melo to last season’s team with Melo. Last season’s Melo team was just as good (or bad) as the team was before Melo Billups was still on the team last season. This team right now is minus a starting position.

You can be optimistic all you want, but last seasons Knicks were streaky, this season’s Knicks will be streaky (but only if Baron Davis is healthy: otherwise hello bottom half of the league!!.), at least under D’antoni.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

YOU'RE the one who brought up wins and losses.

Don’t get upset when you’re wrong about them. How is stating the records “jacking with stats” anyway?

You’re missing the big picture. Yeah, the Knicks post-trade last season had a similar record to the team before the trade. The point is that the pre-trade team was cohering. There was progress and development. There was a system that made sense with the players on the team, and everyone was producing. The Knicks have only moved backwards since the trade. If you think turning it around is as easy as installing another coach to deal with this mess, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I have no interest in engaging it.

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you're missing the big picture

A loss is a loss and that team was capable of being just as shitty record wise as this team. Records make you a playoff team.

The system is at best mediocre without an all time great PG. Yeah its nice to fantasize about home grown talent, but it was an even swap. Billups and Melo at least. I’ll agree the Billups situation was handled piss poorly.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

im having a hard time with this

“A loss is a loss” is your lead argument… are you sure you’re this confident about that? is a 70-point blowout the same as a triple-OT game that was lost on a blatant bad call by refs? Is a complete no-show the same as a well-fought battle? dude seriously, what are you on about (excuse the phrase, I’ve been watching British comedies)?
i agree with you that MDA is garbage, but come on

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Gallo, Felton and Chandler all played better on the Nuggets than they did on the Knicks.

What’s your point again? Why are you defending D’antoni. Yes his roster has no passing PG and he has a short bench, but the he hasn’t proven anything with the Knicks — ever.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Gallo, Felton, and Chandler all played well with the Nuggets

But not really any better or worse in those 30 games. Gallo is playing better now, but that’s to be expected of any developing young player with talent.

D’Antoni is far from perfect. There are some specific things I think he can be doing better. I’m worried that he’s not far from losing control. But fixing the Knicks isn’t as easy as firing him.

by Joamiq on Jan 21, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not far?

He lost control when he asked for an extension and couldn’t get it!

Wasn’t that right after he started TD at the point over Carter? Yeah…

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That team won 13 of 14 games

Right around the stretch we’re in now (different months because of the lockout, but similar number of games into the season). And they won those games by beating easy opponents, like this team should be doing.

Likewise, even when that team lost, it still seemed like they cared. And they were always more fun to watch

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

NO THEY DID NOT!

They just didnt have Carmelo. Thats where the improvement came from.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice revisionist history there

Around the time of the trade, Felton had crashed back down to earth, the offense was sputtering and fans were clamoring for Melo. That team also started 3-8, but yeah, now of course we only remember the winning streak and Amare’s 30 pt streak.

TYBG

by The Rooster on Jan 21, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that team was developing

individual players had room for growth, like Gallo has done this year

This team is imploding.

If you want to believe this Knicks team is better off, fine, but its based on faith not facts. God be with you.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade talk really affected that team

"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."

by Atronic on Jan 21, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I love these Nuggets!

What’you talkin’ about Willis!

Are you serious about that crunch time need superstar myth? Nugs have won a few of those close games with different players taking role of hero.

I do have Knick fans who are friends and I do feel bad for them, and I’m not joking.

BTW If I wasnt a Nug fan, there are lots of terrific, young athletic teams that are a treat to watch. Philly, Minny, Clips, Thunder, Pacers and then, there are the Knicks

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Nugs have won a few of those close games with different players taking role of hero.

Except this one: http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/310427025/denver-nuggets-vs-oklahoma-city-thunder

God bless the Thunder.

by bababooey2 on Jan 21, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You will never see daylight.

Clippers-Nuggets:

Blake Griffin > Nene
Chris Paul > Follow The Yellow Brick Road
DeAndre Jordan > Mozgov
Caron Butler > Danilo Gallinari
Billups = Afflalo

Thunder – Nuggets:

Ibaka > Nene(slightly)
Westbrook > Follow the Yellow Brick road
Perkins > Mozgov
Durant >>>>> Gallinari
James Harden > Afflalo (slightly)

Lakers – Nuggets:

Gasol > Nene
Fisher < Follow the Yellow Brick Road
Bynum >>>> Mozgov
Barnes < Gallinari
Bryant >>>>> Afflalo

And thats just the West.

by bababooey2 on Jan 21, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The nuggets are greater than the sum of their parts

not disagreeing in full, but don’t sleep on them. And can’t undervalue their coach

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

BBB, I could care less about your opinions but

honestly you’re embarrassing Knick fans. Now stop it, will ya?

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I know facts are painful.

Last year all the Nuggets did was talk smack about how much better they were w/o Melo and then BAM BAM BAM BAM the getting-better-every-year Thunder take a baseball bat and bludgeon you to death in 5 games. Why? Nuggets couldnt make any shots in tight stretches late in the game? Gee, I wonder who could have helped.

Now you have to deal with the CLIPPERS. Oh yeah, I love this team. Exciting as a mothefucker, great ball movement, well-executed defensive rotations just like Nuggets. Except they have Griffin and Cp3, too unbelievably dynamic players the Nuggets will never ever come close to possessing. You will never beat this team. They are so much better than you. And thank God for that.

by bababooey2 on Jan 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

you are a Knick fan

stop with the other teams. Your team is the Knicks, the 6 – 10 Knicks

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

come on BBB

get over the loss, it wasnt that bad, you should be used to it by now

6 – 10, 20 – 28 since trade (including playoffs)

But dont worry, Melo is an expert at getting into playoffs and knocked out in the 1st round

by sgiustra on Jan 23, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

No

If you think somebody’s a troll, flag them or, better yet, ignore them.

by Seth on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

made shots in tuff stretches yesterday,

remember?

BBB, make your posts shorter, you’re not a professional author and all I do is skim ’em

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

made shots in tuff stretches yesterday,

Thanks for the Freudian slip. Check the calendar.

by bababooey2 on Jan 22, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

what does that even mean?

and, dont bother defininging Freudian Slips since I’m a Clinical Psychologist

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yay Phil Jackson

so I guess it would take the Zen Master failing miserably with this mess to show people that its not Pringles, its the ingredients.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 21, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Phil only takes over good teams and takes them to the next level. He wouldn’t take this job right now. Doubt he needs the money.

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by rxmeister on Jan 21, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Denver will be the bottom, just the absolute worst.

I think I might rip my eyes out watching that game… Then it’s our chance to turn it around on the road trip, just like last year. I’m still believin’ but D’Antoni is really testing my faith. Get a grip pringles – you best pray Baron is your miracle…

by Sprewell on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

here's the thing

Nuggets have nothing to lose. Even if the Knicks kill Denver in NY (betya Knicks shoot 2x as many FTs as Nugs in Madison not-soSquare Garden tonite), big deal – Denver is currently 30 – 16 in all games that count since trade, Knicks are 20 – 27

Game, set, match, drive home safely folks.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen you post on Denver Stiffs shitting on the Knicks and how you're so glad you're not a fan of the team anymore.

So you just came here to gloat about a winning % or…..?

I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Jan 21, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe a little

but willing to change my tune if Knicks get good and exciting

Is that fair?

And, no, I’m not glad I’m not a fan anymore but, if I wanted to, I couldnt root for a team I dont like and I dont really care what jerseys they wear. But that’s me.

Look, I’m interested in the Knicks to at least look on with some feelings. More than I could say for my interest in, say, the Nets.

Honestly, truthfully, I’m more disappointed in Knick fans in this whole scenario than I am in one dopey owner.

Long story but I’ve rooted for our championship teams, Clyde, Reed, the amazing Bernard King (comparing him to Melo made me vomit), the under-rated, under appreciated Ewing and then was left with Marbury. Things were finally looking up and – boom – we got Marbury Part II. Could you see my position?

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

also Gax

my posts arent really harsher than lots of knick fans. Lots of fans seem to think Melo stinks. I dont. I think he’s average.

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yes average

45% shooting = league average

1.25 points per shot taken < avg

Melo is an avg player that shoots a lot

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I can see your position. I've seen your position through all the posts at Stiffs and the "Oh ho-ho-ho sorry suckers I'm a Denver fan now!" posts you've made here

I can appreciate that you’re a long-time fan that was fed up with the direction we went in with the Melo trade, but it’s hard for me to respect that you so willingly align yourself with the Nuggets at their site and are incredibly anti-Knick there…and then come here and be all “I will be back when we are exciting guys. And also good.”

I don’t know man. I can’t understand how you can survive the last 10 years and THAT was the straw that broke your back and made you hate the team..until they’re good again. Like, what? I’m not some Grand Arbiter of Fanhood or anything so you’re free to be a fan of whoever and post wherever, but I original replied to your post because it was irritating to see you come here just to gloat.

I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Jan 21, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

be clear, I'm not really anti-Knick

I’m anti-dolan, and yes, just like I was when he was on Denver, I’m anti Melo as a player.

That he is on my home town team is galling to me. That he was received like a long list prince is also galling. That he is classed with the game’s greats might be a grand joke played on me.

And I frankly thought that the old Knicks were shit on too

But dont argue with me on this. There seem to be lots of Knick who’ll give you a debate on all the points I’m making.

Me? I’m willing to change my mind. example. I thought Harrington was an atrocious, high volume chucker. Changed my mind.

I thought Mozgov would develop quickly and dramatically. I think I’m wrong here.

Where have you been wrong? Ever?

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard

Some of us told you all exactly what would happen more than a year ago.

by flossy on Jan 21, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

So why are you commenting here?

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by WSD on Jan 21, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

time zones

dead night
missed you <3

really, I always come home from work to watch a replay, accidentally check the score, see “Knicks loss” and

TYBG

by The Rooster on Jan 21, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

im sorry and i hate to say this but

i dont think we’ll win another game til Baron Davis starts playing. we need someone out there to take the reigns. hopefully one more week guys, one more week…

by blackhova on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

While I don't disagree with the Melo hate here, I think we're all kind of ignoring how bad Amare is playing while earning $20 million/year

He’s 34th in PER for all power forwards at this point. Small sample of PFs with higher PERs: Al Harrington, David Lee, and Anthony Randolph. When he’s not playing well offensively, he provides nothing of value to the team. It sucks and it’s only going to get worse as he gets older.

I realize PER isn’t the end all, be all of rating players, but it is good a reference point. Douglas, Fields, Walker and Bibby all have PERs under 10. That’s really bad.

by 100% dundee on Jan 21, 2012 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Team has up and quit

Amare is no different. Get them some motivation and Amare will be rocking again.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

how about $20mil as motivation

oh wait, that’s right, we pay our players no matter what, for years to come. I think a lot of disappointing players would play a lot better if they had to perform to earn our two dwarf stars included. Also, Amar’e is supposed to be our motivator. this is the worst defense i’ve heard

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Look at the bright side

At least we have “SUPERSTARS” for trade so we might build something good. All this Melo, Stat & Chandler thing is just not working and thats it, don’t blame MDA, its not his fault. And also, dont expect miracles with BD, he cant play 48 mins per game, he cant improve our shitty bench with Jeffries, TD, Bibby, Balkman etc etc and he cant convince Melo to play team basketball… he cant make Stat to play some D…. And sure he cant improve Chandler’s handicaped offense….

by Martian78 on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Im saying

even Phil Jackson would suck with this roster assembled very very badly, with “big 3” with more cons than pro’s, lack of D, handicaped O and selfish characters….

by Martian78 on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Jackson would at least get this team, PG or not to the playoffs.

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why

in the world a retired almost legendary coach would come to this hell hole? Dolan is the biggest obstacle to winning in this city, he’s smart enough to understand that and he can’t be bought with money.

by Alessandro Bozzi on Jan 21, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just making comparison

not as PJ will ever come here… This is badly assembled team, nothing more. Its the New York Carmelos, nobody likes this.

by Martian78 on Jan 21, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

more Cons then Pros?

You’re a funny guy. 2 are potential olympiads. 1 is a perennial all-star having a bad month

by erniesto on Jan 21, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

well i dunno who's funny here

your potential olympiads an perennial all-star are booed on constant basis every night… they are 6-9 with teams like Bucks, Bobcats and Grizzlies.. You are happy with them? Or when BD gets back…. bla bla :D If your superstars need BD to tell them how to play and beat the Bucks and Bobcats, well, its ok.

by Martian78 on Jan 21, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

About Chandler

As much as he gives 100% and fights for every ball, he might be the problem for Amar’e coz he is simply handicaped in the offense, he doesnt make open space in the middle for Amar’e and thats why there are always 2 defenders on Amar’e coz they know Chandler is not dangerous from the post and he is stuck bellow the rim for rebounding. If we had a center that can actualy shoot from the post he can take his defender out of the paint and make room for Amare’s 1 on 1 where he is unstopable.

by Martian78 on Jan 21, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really true?

Last year STAT was running into just as many double teams. Teams would stack the middle. The difference this year is that he no longer has someone constantly keeping n eye on him, ready for that roll to the basket and able to deliver him the ball. So he has to force shots just so the shot clock doesn’t run out.

by superturboultra on Jan 21, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year...

..Stat was the man in the middle, now he is not, thats the difference. And Chandler was perfect fit with Dirk and that Dallas team with offensive beasts like Kidd, Marion and J.Terry, they never needed Chandler to score, all he had to do is wait and rebound, and defend. Dirk is very different PF to Stat. Here its all about Melo and sometimes Stat, the other 3 of 5 on the court simply dont deliver, Fields, Toney, Chandler or whoever is out there.

by Martian78 on Jan 21, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The problems with the Knicks are

Melo’s iso’s where the ball stops and everyone stands and watches, and you have two bench players starting. D’antoni knows that his system does’nt work without an effective PG to run it, but curiously during his tenure here the Knicks have drafted forwards until last year when they took Shump. A PG should have been taken first when D’antoni got here.

by mrluck35 on Jan 21, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

on point mrLuck

Problem with Melo is not really his stats. 25 ppg is high, but career 45%FG is only avg.

The problem is that Melo suppresses the talents of others. Its hard to play on a team where one guy holds the ball, dribble, dribble, dribble, yawn, yawn.

Even in the schoolyard, if one guy held the ball everybody else just kind of snoozed. It happens in the park, in the rec center, in CEO board rooms and it happens on NBA floors

by sgiustra on Jan 21, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoring

You guys realize we’ve only gone over 100 points 4 times this season? And of those 4 games, we won 3 of them… The defense has been pretty good this season believe it or not. Fix the ball stoppage and start running 7 seconds or less again and maybe we could actually win some games.

by bensdoorwatchman on Jan 21, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

I can't believe Melo said this!!

“You can’t compare our team to Denver’s team,” Anthony said. “They got five starters from that trade. Denver’s a hell of a team. They’re one of the deeper teams in the NBA right now. We just want to go out and win (Saturday). It’s not about Denver. It’s much more about us.”

Gee Melo, who’s freaking fault was that??

Simply amazes me that in his mind apparently, our lack of depth has nothing to do with him. Someone needs to hold up a mirror right in front of his face and say, "now Melo, recall last year?? The year your could have waited until free agency and then joined us and we would be stacked and deep?? Remember?? Huh?? Then smash the freaking mirror over the dumbass’s head and hope he wakes the f up !!

by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 21, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

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