The Knicks play the Nuggets tonight.
by Seth on Jan 21, 2012 1:36 PM EST
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PrintThe Knicks play the Nuggets tonight and it's probably going to be miserable. One can't rule out the possibility that the Knicks' ball movement will suddenly come alive, or that they'll start hitting open shots and defending consistently as a unit. Based on everything that's happened up to this point, though, it seems infinitely more likely that the Knicks will crumble over the course of the game. Ty Lawson should carve the Knicks up off the dribble and Danilo Gallinari should torch the Knicks from inside and out, maybe even breaking his Garden career-high of 30. (And Al Harrington could kill them too, but whatever.) Because that's how things have been going lately: as badly as they can possibly go.
And it'll hurt! It'll hurt because the Knicks keep losing. It'll hurt because the Nuggets' bench could probably beat New York's starting five right now. And of course, it'll hurt because those Nuggets cleverly built a winning team in the void of the piece the Knicks are currently trying to make their foundation, and they did it with a number of players and assets taken from New York in last year's trade.
I, like many of you, miss that team. I liked those guys better than I like these guys, even when they were losing. Perhaps that'll change when and if this team starts rolling, but for the time being, I pine for last year's team and its "lower ceiling" and "lack of true superstars" and whatnot.
But I'm trying really hard to put that out of my mind. What's done cannot be undone. What I want is for this team to become good and fun to follow, and I don't think that can be achieved by ripping it to shreds. Indulging restlessness and coveting the assets of another are what got the Knicks to this point; perpetuating that cycle could just make things worse. Firing the coach or GM and trading stars when their value has bottomed out are short-term solutions to short-term problems, and either is likely to create more problems. Basketball teams are made up of players and coaches with finite contracts and thus come with built-in expiration dates. You don't have to "blow up" a struggling team. If you let it sit, it'll fall apart on its own, and you can start from scratch. It just requires waiting. If you've built something and parts of it are sagging, doesn't it make sense to exhaust every rehabilitative measure before tearing it down?
And hey, you know what else might happen while everyone waits and works? The team might get good. Because these are talented basketball players and talented coaches who, with time to develop relationships and a sense of accountability for one another, tend to improve. Losing is miserable for them, too, and they want to remedy it.
This team has problems-- problems that are likely to get further exposed and rubbed in our faces tonight against Denver-- and if you see those problems as correctable with sudden, massive changes, that's fine. And if your view of things is obscured by a longing for some facet of the past and the certainty that you told us so way back when, well, that's fine too. But neither mindset (nor the thorny hybrid of the two) is bound to be fulfilling, and I say that from experience. Most of us here are predisposed to stick with these Knicks no matter what, so why not do what we can to be patient, get comfortable, and hold each other tenderly when times get tough?
I'm rambling now, but my point (if I have one) is this: The Knicks will probably lose tonight, and they will do so because they are either 1. A good team playing badly or 2. A bad team. If it's the former, I think the team ought to be given time to grow. If it's the latter, I think the team ought to be given time to die. And in the meantime, I think those of us stuck with this good/bad team for the long term ought to be more patient and less sour than everybody thinks we are.
(Of course, now that I've said all that, the first comment on this post will probably be "FIRE DUMBTONI" and the Knicks will probably beat the Nuggets, but it felt good to put it out there. No Pre-Game Recon today, by the way. I think I was too late getting in touch with the Denver Stiffs guys, and I just need a little break to play with my dogs and enjoy the snow. See you at game time!)
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I love Mozgov too!
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
it's real nice of you to give him one
he deserves it. for holidays this year i got a mozgov autograph from the person who knows me best. I have it out in the open
played with my dog all morning too.
she be likin the snow and errthing
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I'm right back in survival mode with this team.
Just tryin to get by one game at a time. This fucking team kills me in new and exciting ways every game they play.
I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Seth
You can act like wanting to fire D’Antoni is idiotic all you want, but it’s not. NBA teams fire their coaches all the time, and it can be a great way to get your team going.
More importantly, it’s obvious to anyone watching this team that the personnel doesn’t fit D’Antoni’s style. We have no strong point guard (Waiting for Baron attitude aside) and our best player thrives in the halfcourt. I think D’Antoni is a great coach, but at this point he’s a bad fit and he seems to be losing the team. It’s unfortunate, but a quarter of the way into the season, it’s an option the Knicks need to consider.
Well, a few things
I think that “waiting for Baron attitude” is a bigger aside than you’re making it. I also think that even if D’Antoni’s not the right fit, it’d be best to just let his contract expire and start fresh in the offseason instead of admitting defeat in the middle of the year and scrapping this season entirely. It’d also be much easier to conduct a thorough coaching search (with a bigger pool of candidates) during the offseason.
But more than anything, I think D’Antoni wants to win, is smart enough to win, and— if given time and a consistent roster instead of constantly moving parts and mounting pressure— could make this team win.
And, in closing, I’ll contest that a coach’s job is to get his team easy opportunities. The team’s job is to convert. A team that can’t make the pass necessary to find someone under the basket or hit an open jump shot doesn’t fit any coach’s system.
by Seth on Jan 21, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
last night
how can you possibly blame all those missed layups on the coach? passes hitting guys in the chest, going through their fingers. thats not a coaching miscue. but its the type of thing that ignited a plethora of 4-0 runs, instead a basket and a set defense. add that up multiple times over the course of the game: boom, roasted.
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by stingy d on Jan 21, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Blame
You know how we can blame all that on Dantoni?? Because all of our problems are a result of DISCIPLINE. Our Knicks are embarrassing undisciplined. Who is the person reponsible for a team’s overall discipline?? Yep, the head Coach. He is coaching this team like an All-Star team, letting the players go out there and do whatever the hell they want. Guess what happens when you let idiots play however they want?? They will naturally play, lazy, selfish, undisciplined basketball. Does that sound familiar?? There is also another form of discipline called self-discipline. This is the ability for a person to do what is right without being told to do so. In other words, if our players had self-discipline, then they could at least realize Dantoni is clueless and go out there and do what their experiences have shown them win games. Billups was a good example of a very self-disciplined player. It always appeared as if Chauncy would just ignore Dantoni’s babble and go out there and run the team his way because he knows what it takes to win. So, we have players with zero self-discipline and a coach that is incapable of teaching and enforcing team discipline. Add those two things together and what do you get?? Ladies and Gentlemen introducing your 2012 New York Knicks!!!!!
by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
dude seriously just copy/pasted this into like 4 different threads here
and Chancy Pullups was definitely very disciplined. Especially with shot selection.
I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
...
I guess I disagree that firing D’Antoni means “scrapping the season.” Your point is definitely taken that the options out there are not so strong. Honestly, I assumed it would just be Mike Woodson. My point is that I don’t think D’Antoni is going to be able to turn this around. He’s never been a strong defensive coach and has only succeeded with a very specific set of players (namely Steve Nash). And my impression watching last night’s game is that the players have tuned him out. Sometimes a change is necessary simply for the sake of a change.
As for your final point, I guess I see the Knicks’ struggles differently. Sure they’re making plenty of mistakes, but what stands out to me is the lack of flow on offense. Players don’t seem to know where to go, what to do, and how to do it. That, to me, is a failure of coaching and not execution. We lack depth, but it seems silly to believe that all-stars like Melo and Amare are suddenly “unable to execute.” They aren’t being put in a position to succeed.
I respect your thoughts on this, I just think losing D’Antoni right now gives us the best chance this season. As much as it pains me, I really am a fan of D’Antoni and loved what he did in the first half of last season.
Brav-fukkin'-O
I’m starting a slow hand clap just for you Seth.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 21, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Case in point
A team that can’t make the pass necessary to find someone under the basket or hit an open jump shot doesn’t fit any coach’s system.
MDA is a great coach
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think that does, what you think it does
It only stands to prove that there is fault that doesn’t land on D’Antoni. Nothing more.
"NBA teams fire their coaches all the time"
Which makes it a great idea, obviously!
You said it yourself: this team has only been together for a quarter of a season! With no training camp or practices! How on earth can you consider blowing things up already? Imagine if we’d done that after 15 games last year…
The entire league doesn't have training camps or practices
That excuse is nonsense.
My point, simply, is that it isn’t some absurd rush to fire D’Antoni. It’s not just 15 games, this also includes the second half of last season when we had similar struggles. He’s had a shot, and things are as bad now as they’ve ever been. No indication of improvement whatsoever.
It's not nonsense if you think beyond the surface.
Carmelo Anthony has never had a training camp with the Knicks. Tyson Chandler has never had a training camp with the Knicks. Amare Stoudemire has never had a training camp to learn to play next to Chandler. Shump and Jorts, obviously, have never had any NBA training camp. That’s most of our rotation. No team needed training camp more than the Knicks did.
It is absolutely an absurd rush to fire D’Antoni. He’s not even had a chance with this roster.
I agree the personal is all wrong for d antoni
but who out there right now is better i think its something you let him have this year it doesnt look like we are really going anywhere anyway even though i remain optimistic and see what dantoni can do with this guys after coaching them for awhile if anybody can fix this offense its dantoni no better offensive coach in the league
Ok Seth you convinced me so... BARON DAVIS = GOLD
But if you announce your going to work for News Day or Cablevision or some Dolan owned entity in the next few weeks I am going to feel really used.
Also a “Pass the ball Melo” clap, clapclap chant during the game today when he touches the ball would be nice to hear. Give MDA a little help maybe huh?
And throwing a t-shirt or two that is fired at us BACK would be nice…but maybe that’s a personal issue. GO KNICKS!
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions
Yo, I hope it doesn’t come across that I’m apologizing for this team. The Melo trade sickened me and current state of the team sickens me. I just don’t think that rash moves are the answer and I’m trying to steel myself to be patient.
in one off-season's time
things can change for the better of the team.
of course “time” is the taboo.
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Well patience is a virtue in at least wine making
And sex, but we’ve been patient for a decade now…I am reminded of the Indian in “Jose Whales”….“They told us to endeavor to persevere…”. The wrong rash moves are certainly NOT the answer but the Chandler signing was I thought, a rash move and was brilliant.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
We have to be patient
For all the hullabaloo, it’s been 15 games in a short time with a heavily condensed training camp and almost no practices on the heels of heavy roster turnover 50 games into last season and another big piece added before this season, and with that big piece moving one of our other big pieces to a different spot the lineup. This is a gargantuan, almost unreasonable task. Expecting to even understand anything about the Knicks until we’re 25-35 games in is silly, and changing up anything else in the interim, including firing the coach, short of adding a point guard who can try to steer the ship, is asinine.
maybe I'm wrong but...
Ok Seth you convinced me so… BARON DAVIS = GOLD
I don’t think that’s what he is saying at all. What I took from this was that the team obviously doesn’t have anyone capable of orchestrating things offensively and before pushing the coach or players off a cliff we should probably wait and see if there is any improvement once Davis is healthy, as he is the best option for filling the previously mentioned void and could prove to be a valuable catalyst IF given a chance.
But If we start trading and firing willy nilly, we won’t ever find out how good this team could possibly be.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 21, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I actually would not be surprised at all if the game is more competitive than you'd expect
If Carmelo Anthony can’t get his dick hard and play dominant, superstar basketball on a night like tonight… then seriously, what the fuck is he good for?
Any longtime Denver fan will tell you that Melo is capable of rising to the occasion for a marquee matchup where there’s personal pride on the line. Melo vs. Gallo is hardly Melo vs. LeBron, but given alllll this history, and the opportunity he’ll have to carpe that diem and “silence the critics” (for one night, before the Knicks go back to sucking)… that’s a powerful motivator.
The Nuggets are super deep, talented, well-coached team, but a supremely talented scorer dropping 50 and playing defense for fucking once will go a long way toward covering up some giant problems for 48 minutes.
That being said, if he can’t get it done and turns in other one of these 13-37 stinkers, the Knicks are getting carved up like a Christmas ham, no question about it.
All that being said, this is a very eloquent post!
I’m not going to front like I’m capable of the maturity necessary to stay sanguine and not pine for Gallo if and when we get stomped, but it’s a very nice sentiment to which we should all aspire.
by flossy on Jan 21, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Melo has to learn that him personally having a great game is not a win
Unless he gets everyone around him involved too. That’s the issue. Melo is absolutely the best player out on the floor for us but he tries to dominate the game instead of win his individual match up and help the team exploit other advantages. I don’t want to see Melo be a take over the game superstar tonight I want him to be the best damn forward within the MDA system I have ever seen. Those two things are different.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously
I don’t want to see Melo be a take over the game superstar tonight I want him to be the best damn forward within the MDA system I have ever seen.
But that is 110% not happening tonight, so get ready for some disappointment.
Hope springs eternal
I watch ever game with only the anticipation that maybe this game will be the game where he finally “gets it” and they break out.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
You Have A very Bad Mouth Flossy
Carmelo is our star of the team. Whta you need is a bigger star then him to play with.
Yes D.Howard is the answer.
Why Foul Mouth?
Becaue when you have a star player that plays defense then everybody buys is and supports with team defense. That is how NBA Championships are won.
So here you have it again. Trade Stoudemire for Howard asap. Orlando gets a star , home town boy with a sign contract. We get the stud big man whom plays defense.
Now we send T.Chandler to Sacramento for D.Cousins asap.
Fronteline of Cousins/Howard/Anthony is sick.
We fire D’Antoni and the WHOLE staff and wait unitl FA to see if D.Williams comes across the river to us. If yes great. If no then we get R.Felton as a FA to run the show towards a NBA Championship with I.Shumpert our two guard.
Leave Carmelo alone and make sure your pants zipped up. OK Foul Mouth Flossy.
Orlando will not trade Howard for Amare, Sacramento will not trade Cousins for Chandler
These two things are inconceivable.
I totally agree with Fire the WHOLE Staff
This team, this culture, this EVERYTHING needs to change and everyone must go. A cleanse. A purging.
but the rest, idk. i still dont think melo is a winner
Worry
If your prediction is true, and we have a team that can only play hard if they have a personal vendetta against a team or player, then doesn’t that show a great deal about Dantoni’s coaching abilities?? A good coach gets his players to play at a consistent high level, whether it is against the Bucks or the Heat. If it is simply a matter of personal pride on the line, then I would think getting you ass kicked by the Suns and Bucks at home might fall under the catagory of personal pride. Feed all this into the Bat computer and out comes DING . . . DANTONI !!
by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 21, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks - Giants relationship
The Knicks better be rooting damn hard for the blue tomorrow because if they lose, spotlight shines on them. And we all know how awful that would be right now.
G-Mac bitches
BC 2011
I won't be mad until the team fails with Baron Davis
I have 0 expectations for a D’Antoni team trying to play basketball without a point guard. Understand that a D’Antoni offense is simply incapable of efficiently operating without a legitimate, talented point guard, and all of this team’s struggles will make sense to you too.
Oh please
As if the lot of you didn’t have some legitimate expectations for this team before the season started. As if everyone expected this team to be 3 games under .500 right now? I’m not sure what everyone was thinking when they looked at the roster and saw one point guard (Bibby) who was understood to not be starting material, but then continued on thinking that the team would be successful with the WORST point guard rotation in the NBA. I’m saying these expectations were ridiculous. D’Antoni has won shit without a legitimate point guard in his career – not to say that’s a bad thing, because it most certainly isn’t – but it’s something that we all should have understood before the season started.
yea i had high hopes for toney too
but i knew he would be a stopgap at best.
i did not think he would be THIS bad tho. he’s been worse than he’s ever been. he’s been mardy collins-esque. and you’d think that will change.
amar’e too. worst ball of his career, easily. its never as bad as it looks.
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my sig.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
yea man, the shit is too true.
even in my own rec league. my squad had some good pieces and no cohesion. got beat by scrub squads that just know how to play together.
furthermore we’ve beaten the shit out of good teams, only to lose tight ones to whateverish opponents when we’ve been in the lead all game.
its just a microcosm. we probly shouldnt have beat the good team so bad. we probly should have beat the whateverish team. but hey we didn’t turn around after either game and say, well- we’re always gonna be at least as good as this great win- and we didn’t say oh man, we’re always gonna be the worst team in the league because we struggled that time… whaaaa?
people gotta see past a day. for your own mental sanity, if not for everyone else’s.
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Shumpert is going to get beasted off the dribble
because Lawson beasts everyone off the dribble.
I predict Melo going off for 40 points 10 rebounds and 5-7 assist.
No way melo lets denver beat him.
Amare will continue to slump to prove melo is not needed (hopefully amare doesn’t feel that way) in ny
Melo should not bring the ball up...
… for many reasons, but here are a couple:
1) He is one of the best cherry pickers in the league
2) It ensures at least one pass will be made on offense..
and can he stop posting up at (or outside of) the three point line
by Nothin purer than the rooster on Jan 21, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions
Seriously, I would trade Melo for a 1st round draft pick and a trade exception. He’s horrible. It’s not that he isn’t extremely talented. He definitely is. It’s that he takes way too many horrible shots, commits way too many TOs trying to create horrible shots for himself, and is a total cancer to ball movement and proper basketball play. In the end we are paying 18m for a guy that doesn’t contribute much value and makes the players around him worse. He’s Marbury without the mental problems and Vaseline.
Tuned Out
Does anyone get the feeling that the team has just stopped listening to Pringles? Like they’re just sick of him?
...driving and mesmerizing
by mwu56 on Jan 21, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't actually. I think most of the team is tuned in
I think there are a few players who maybe hear him but don’t understand or he just can’t reach them. I think that frustrates the players who do get MDA’s message. What surprises me is that there has not been a player to stand up and call a players only meeting to sort this out. I think it’s because the guy who now runs the locker room is one of the players who can’t hear MDA.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Did he? I was unaware
That would certainly be a step.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I love what your wrote Seth
As much as some of this fiasco can be D’antoni’s fault, I think he doesn’t fully deserve to be here. The fact the he was able to do more with the Knicks with less so called talent has to show something.
After this season I think its best for both the Knicks and himself he ins’t here anymore. But I’m not even sure what coach we bring here will fix this because if I’m any coach except for “maybe” Phil Jackson I’d be scared to coach us.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
The Knicks are struggling
because TD and Landry have badly regressed for whatever reason. Both should be coming off the bench. The offense is stagnant largely due to Melo, he truly is a ball stopper this year. Anyone can put up 25ppg if they jack up enough shots and I think everyone else is following his lead. Stat is the curious one to me. Is he bothered by not being the focal point anymore? is it not having an effective PG bothering him? is it the fact that he’s being called on for more defense which is affecting his game? whatever it is, I hope he snaps out of it. This is largely the same roster that could have taken two games from the Celtics in the playoffs and beat the Heat in 2 games last year. Hopefully BD can give us some clarity on how the rest of the season will play out.
They need to start playing Pringles ball
even if they lose, which they’d do most likely playing whatever style they’re playing now, they need to get out and run. Push the ball, make fat ass #7 run. We have Pringles, lets play Pringles ball.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You can’t play D’Antoni style with a offensive centerpiece that thinks the right way to play basketball is to catch the ball, put on blinkers so you can’t see any teammates, dribble for 10 seconds, and then throw up an idiotic shot or turn the ball over trying to create an idiotic shot all night long as long as he scores 30.
Carmelo's billed as a versatile scorer
so you can do it. You just have to make him do it. Or maybe he won’t let Pringles do it and this is why George Karl is so happy now.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Great Job
Great job on the article, but I think for a lot of fans even if this team is successful, they are never going be as much fun as the previous team.
Part of what made that team fun was that we drafted Gallo and Wilson Chandler and were watching them develop and improve along with Douglas and Fields. They also played a brand of unselfish basketball that is naturally appealing to many fans. That trade was tough on many fans because we gave up on them at the point exact they were beginning to break out and when we had the cap space and assets to ADD to the team as opposed to gutting it. In addition, many felt that we gave up WAY TOO much to bring in an overrated player known for selfish play, ball stopping, and spotty defense. Now that our worst fears about the trade are coming to fruition, it makes the whole thing even more painful because we are locked into this mess until 2014/2015.
I wanted D'antoni fired
but I’m not so sure now. This is almost the same roster that put a little fear ( and I mean a little ) in the Celtics last year. How would things have been if Chauncey played? there were stretches last year where they looked really good, but now they are pressing shots, settling for way too much perimeter offense and no ball movement. I would have to think they get it together eventually as frustrating as all this losing is. turn off the green light for Melo, more ball movement. This combo of Woodson and D’antoni could work. I think the team is talented, but somebody has to remind Mr. Fields that his is’nt on scholarship anymore, you have to contribute for more than just stretches of games.
its not even close to the same roster that played int eh playoffs last year
its a very different team, one with no PG and a great big man.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
what are you talking about?
the only difference is that Chandler is here. Landry gave us nothing and TD started in the playoffs.
I would suggest Seth that next weeks power ranking are based
Not on individual play but how well the player plays within the MDA system.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions
Blah, blah, blah.....
Last years team was mediocre at best. This time last year we were getting beat by the Bucks and other dregs of the league just like we are now. This team that’s playing the Nuggets tonight are the Knicks and they have more talent than they did last year to build on.
Nice article, Seth, but isn’t it time to get over it??? This team will gel and there’s no need to fire or trade anybody.
That's exactly what he said, though.
I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
That's what happens when you read half an article....
Cause you’re taking care of your 2 year old son and decide to respond before you read the rest.
Sorry. Wish I could erase this post...
I absolutely agree with Seth 100%!
It's okay man. 2 year olds.
Whatcha gonna do.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
the 2 year old that was in your arms, not the ones posting these suicidal FanPosts
I kid, I kid.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
One of my highlights of last year
Was the Matinee game against the Nuggets, Gallo sliding across and taking the charge from Melo with the game on the lin, and him springing back to his feet and beating his chest.
I hope the roles are reversed between them two tonight.
but boy, I miss Gallo. I would do anything i could to get him back next season
man I remember that
agh Danilo…come back to us
I dream of Eddie Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
I have zero desire to watch this game
Gallo was my favorite player on the Knicks and Melo was my favorite player on any other team in the league to watch play. To see one thriving in Denver while the other is beat up and playing like crap for my team…..I just have no desire to experience any sports-related agony tonight. I need to be in good spirits for tomorrow.
ah man
you don’t gotta watch. but you got the best of both worlds right there!
your two favroite players, who already have a pretty spritied rivalry, they end up getting traded for eachother.
just enjoy yourself. don’t take it so hard. thats the biggest mistake a lot of people are making right now.
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Maybe it will be cathartic
We’ll face our past, accept our present, and look ahead to the future.
Sigh.
When will fire MDA be acceptable?
I’m still going to preach it, but I’m just curious how low it has to get before this happens. Season’s already almost 1/3rd over thanks to the shortened schedule, and I want to see this team succeed.
Let's be clear
The season is 15 games old in a 66 game season. By my math it’s not even 1/4 over. In fact, it’s just over 1/5 over. Let’s not get carried away.
also to add to that point....
in no way, shape or form does firing Dantoni equal success. In firing him now, you only succeed in getting him out the door. This does not automatically equate getting wins or moving the ball or hitting easy shots or demonstrating ball control.
The team still has to put the work in and execute, basically do the same things that they aren’t doing now, the same things they won’t necessarily do for a new coach either.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 21, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, and 7 games from now will be 1/3rd
Which is just 2 weeks away. I’d say if things aren’t improved by then, that should be all.
I'd also like him to have a full training camp for once with a stable roster.
Or if that sounds like too much of an excuse, I want him to have more than one lockout-shortened crazily-paced season where we only got our starting PG ready to play more than month into the season to prove himself as a coach. He’s been here for three years, but what shit-filled years of nothing he could control they were.
God it would be hilarious to me if Dantoni somehow survives everyone agreeing with Stephen A Smith in calling for his head and coaches another year, but we also sign Nash next season and start to do well. If that happened Dantoni just would never be able to win in the public’s eye. And I would laugh my ass off because it’s so absurd.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
by GAx on Jan 21, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is probably crazy....
but I expected the Knicks to play badly (OK, maybe not quite SO badly) against Milwaukee and Phoenix; and I guess that’s why a big part of me expects them to come out and play well against the Nuggets and break the losing streak.
This team has a way of making us crazy when they play bad to mediocre teams; and maybe it’s irrational optimism but I expect a big effort tonight against one of the league’s better teams.
Maybe just wishful thinking.
yea same
im surprised by how bad. but thats all. especially toney douglas. i mean- he folded.
i dunno what to expect tonight. not thinking win though. we’re too out of sync. and shumpert- he’s gonna foul ty lawson a whole lot (if he can keep up).
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by Flying_Saucer on Jan 21, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but understandable
I want all of our former guys to be great, for our current guys to be greater, and for us to win a great, competitive game.
not if ur a nuggets fan.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 21, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
If we lose tonight
Dolan should fire himself
I must say
This has to be the first post I’ve read where Seth is totally pessimistic (and he’s right in feeling so). I totally agree with you, Seth. The knicks were so bad during the suns game that I just logged off. I’m upset because we have the talent, but the cohesion isn’t there. We’ve actually regressed to what I call “Garbocity”. That’s gar-ba-city.
I think STAT lost his jumper when he put on that 20lbs of muscle in the off season. He’s gonna have to score in other ways until he can get it back. As for Melo, he is who he is. He’s a 1v1 guy. He has shown the ability to share the ball, but he still has that going-for-mine attitude.
I’m all over the place, but I think they need to start callin each other out in the locker room and holding each other accountable. We’re better than this.
I am rooting for the Knuggets
And also hoping the Knicks can turn it around too. I want to believe in you Melo. I really do. but if you won’t ( it’s not about can’t cause you can) it be nice to watch Gallo and Mosgrov toast your lazy ass.
by I know smart people on Jan 21, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions
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