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Nuggets 119, Knicks 114 (2OT): "That was heartbreaking."

[Deep breath.] Well, that was pretty debilitating. Heartbreaking, too, as JWurm said in the game thread. The Knicks, to their credit, made a game out of what a lot of us expected to be a blowout. In fact, they made about 1.25 games out of it, and in doing so, gave us a magnified version of nearly every theme and storyline that's been following the team thus far. Seriously:

- Throughout most of the game, there was decent ball movement that led to open shots. For stretches, those open shots fell, and for other stretches, they did not, but the offense was undeniably more fluid than we're used to. In the fourth quarter and subsequent overtimes, the ball movement gave way to Carmelo Anthony isolation plays. He made several kick-outs to open shooters (who missed), but predominantly looked for his own shot. He hit several crucial baskets-- four consecutive in the final two-ish minutes of regulation, including the game-tying jumper-- but missed some other hideous ones while double- and triple-covered.

- In many cases, switches on defense led to miscommunication and missed coverage, and the Nuggets got a lot of wide-open looks off backdoor cuts or just routine Knick confusion.

- Amar'e Stoudemire had trouble getting involved in the offense to the point that he did not attempt a shot in the fourth quarter or either of the overtimes until he sank a meaningless three in the closing seconds.

- The Nuggets, who have had considerably better fortunes than the Knicks since the Melo deal, got big contributions from Danilo Gallinari (a career-high 37 points on just 19 shots, as well as 11 rebounds) and Timofey Mozgov (16 and 7), not to mention Al Harrington (24 and 11 off the bench).

So, just to summarize, that's the Knicks perilously deferring to Melo down the stretch, Amar'e getting lost, the Knicks getting confused on defense, and the Nuggets getting the better of last year's blockbuster trade all in one painfully prolonged basketball game-- a tidy little microcosm of every unpleasant thing we've had to bear with our eyes and ears so far this season.

Take the jump for a few more details.

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- After shooting 1-8 from downtown in the first quarter, the Knicks ('s bench) hit five of six threes in the second. The Knicks' lost the first quarter and dominated the second. They'd go on to finish 11-33 on the night. I don't really know where I'm going with this besides saying that the Knick offense works a lot better when folks hit open outside shots. Obviously, that second quarter spurt is unsustainable, but somewhere in between that and the rest of the game is where the Knicks desperately need to be. Melo's isolation ball killed them late in the game, but so did a team-wide inability to hit wide-open jumpers (many of which would have been Melo assists).

- But really, Melo got downright toxic at the end of the game. Everybody and their milkman knew Anthony was going to shoot, and roughly that many people would come to defend him, but he'd still get the ball, clear out, and noodle his way to an off-balance jumper of some sort. Of course, being Melo, he hit a number of those preposterous shots, and pretty much single-handedly carried the team to overtime in the process. As has always been the case, though, more options need to be checked down before Anthony goes one-on-everybody, and that's on D'Antoni, Melo, and everybody else to fix. Melo, for what it's worth (possibly nothing), seemed somewhat apologetic and held himself accountable afterward.

- Here's the bullet about the Knuggets: Danilo Gallinari was sensational. He looks stronger and more confident being a primary scorer than he did as a Knick and hasn't lost any of his ability to bait folks into fouls (and is doing that even more at the rim). Timofey Mozgov had one splendid block of Anthony did an excellent job of moving without the ball when the Knick defense collapsed on a dribbler to make himself open for easy buckets inside (unsurprising). Al Harrington fucked around and scored a lot of points and jutted his mouth guard at people.

- Oh, and Corey Brewer. He, uh...well, he got open as hell for a tip-in that would have won the game but Andre Miller messed up the inbound pass (not long after drilling a three-pointer from out of bounds). Anyway, that's what I remembered from the performance of celebrated ex-Knick Corey Brewer. He also continued his streak of 258 straight games with very elegant eyelashes.

- Amar'e Stoudemire hit a few shots-- jumpers and one wild, spinning layup-- early, but did very little offensively the rest of the way. When the ball did find him, it tended to be early in the possession, and he tended to keep it moving. This is an improvement on bowing his head and plowing into defenders, but the guy obviously needs to take more than nine shots in a 58-minute game. As with many of this team's problems, Amar'e's offense tends to vacillate between two extremes when a balance really ought to be struck. A steady point guard presence should help with that.

- On the other end, Amar'e got burned plenty of times, but did put in a number of solid defensive possessions. He did a much better job of forcing Nene baseline and deflecting passes and stuff as the game progressed, and that's better than nothing.

- Landry Fields bested his recent fine outing against the Suns with an even Landrier performance. He had occasional trouble with Andre Miller (a match-up that was probably bound to fail), but was soooo much sharper on offense than in weeks past. Fields got many of his 18 points off drives to the rim, and not the ones we were seeing when he was at his worst. These were drives that came either in transition or later in possessions that came off swing passes and attacked open seams in the defense. That's a major improvement over the skittish, meandering dribble-drives we saw from him before. Fields still really needs to get that corner three falling (1-4), but this was a really encouraging offensive output.

- Hey, remember last year when the Knicks were on a miserable losing streak and got a big game from Fields against the Nuggets? Remember what happened after that? I and P&T's WSD noticed the similarities and would fancy a rehash of that turn of events.

- By the end of the game, the Knicks found themselves pretty short-handed. Tyson Chandler fouled out, Iman Shumpert was suffering from the Cramperts (this time in his back as well as his legs), and Josh Harrellson broke his fucking wrist.

- Before fouling out, Chandler made a number of great plays to deter Nugget scorers and corral loose balls (one diving save in particular stands out). His tendency to commit useless fouls and his occasional reluctance to play help defense at the basket both trouble me sometimes, though I suppose I can't be troubled by both of those things at once.

- Iman Shumpert tailed off a bit toward the end (and, again, Cramperts), but was quietly excellent in the first half. He was typically excellent in transition (some gorgeous feeds and finishes. One missed dunk, though.) and sank a few of his jumpers in halfcourt sets. Also, I've noticed that when Shump misses, he tends to miss off the front rim with such force that long offensive rebounds are easy to come by. Kindly Shump.

- Toney Douglas was hitting from outside early, then made several seriously bad plays (mis-timed passes, ill-advised pull-up threes) in the fourth quarter when he had to fill in for Shump.

- Bill Walker single-handedly anchored that huge second quarter and led the team in scoring at halftime with 15. After the break, he came out, made a few reckless plays, and was shelved for the rest of the night. D'Antoni's rope with Walker is definitely shorter than it is for anybody else on the team, and perhaps that's wise. Still, great contributions from Bully in that second quarter.

- Walker's undisputed highlight of the night came during his halftime interview with Al Trautwig, in which he finished the interview by calling Trautwig "Chief" (and apparently Trautwig had some candid comments about that when he didn't know his mic was still live on the NBA TV feed).

- Before succumbing to injury (still not sure what play caused it), I'm pretty sure Jorts scored lefty off a dribble-drive and Euro Step because he is the goddamn truth. Oh, how I'll miss him.

- Mike Piazza (whose name I have typed as "Mike Pizza" roughly eight times tonight) was Jill Martin's halftime interview guest and, um:

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Eh, it's a stretch. I just saw Piazza's greasy, flowing hair, his unnatural tan, and his turtleneck and immediately thought: "SPAGETT!".

- Jared Jeffries apparently suffered a massive head wound before the game. I can't think of any other explanation for the 22-foot jumper he sank, nor the giant white wrap around his head.

- Back-up Jared Jeffries headband joke if you didn't like that one: Jared Jeffries's headband is to turbans what visors are to hats. No? Nevermind.

- I imagine it's difficult for Mike Walczewski to go from saying "DA-NEE-LO GALL-I-NAAAA-RIIII" to just "danilogallinari", but there didn't seem to be any hesitation or misspeaking on his part, at least not on my TV. Such a pro.

- At one point, a MSG cameraman was pretty badly injured (like, he had to leave and get stitches and stuff) because Al Harrington fell on his head. EMTs rushed over to tend to him but, for some reason, everybody felt it was okay to resume resume playing sports just feet away from the situation. And of course, the ball and the players chasing it kept coming perilously close to the man who was bleeding from his face. Nothing came of it, but that seems unwise.

That's pretty much all I've got. The Knicks competed with a good team despite sub-par performances from both Melo and Stoudemire, which is positive, but they also fell victim to familiar perils and invited nasty stereotypes and storylines in the process. One can only hope that tonight's near-win turns into something to build from. Something at some point has to.

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as always good recap.

It’s amazing how beautiful this team is when the ball is moving and there are many assists. If only number 7 could see that beauty and we could be a great team. I think what these guys need is a locker room altercation like the kind that extra E had last year and then made a name for himself with that corner three. We need one of those where Stat grabs number 7 by the neck and then Chandler and Baron have to get between them to break em apart.

by RASHADI on Jan 22, 2012 3:31 AM EST reply actions  

Isn't that the most annoying thing about Melo

He makes some great passes and makes you think of what he could do, but there is just a few a game and then its all him. If he would just give up a couple of shots he could easily pick up 3 or more assists. But after watching him play for 7 and a half seasons it’s really hard for me to see as anything more then a stretch Iverson.

by donwoe on Jan 22, 2012 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

It really is nice

It’s like Melo puts his fingers in his ears and sings LA LA LA LA LA LA LA when they’re watching tape…..

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

but he doesn't so he wont

this type of behavior does not change. Plus the system is to get him the ball at every opportunity

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by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s unfortunate that it’s so. I agree and I doubt he can change after 9 years in the league. He is not a franchise player with this mentality of his but rather a franchise killer and a coach killer. I don’t think this is MDA style but he does it because number 7 is impossible to coach. How hard is it to move without the ball, pass and then shoot of nothing else works? He doesn’t need to shoot 30 times and especially with a bad wrist and ankle. Pass the damn ball and he should have been paying attention when he was on the bench in the second quarter and there was great ball movement and we built that lead. We lost this game because of him. Someone needs to record a few minutes of that second quarter and drill it into his rock headed brain of his.

by RASHADI on Jan 22, 2012 3:39 AM EST up reply actions  

he doesn't have to change

but if we start winning you can sure as hell bet people’s perception of him will change, just as it does with any other player.

Zach Randolph. That’s all.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 22, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

not to say that I wouldn't like to see him utilizing his talents to get the ball moving because I'd love more of that

but the hate being thrown on the guy is kinda ridiculous to me. But he’s gettin paid to be the man so he’s gonna have to deal.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 22, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Yes, Melo was definitely a ball hog tonight and on most nights, but you have to look at it this way, If the others are not hitting their shots when they do have the ball, his instincts are going to take over. Give Melo credit for one thing, when he is on, he is hard to stop. I know we have been saying this all year, but it is true, when we finally get B. Davis in the game, you will see the offense move. B. Davis is a scoring threat and knows how to get in the lane, which will force defenses to play man to man, which will open up spacing for STAT.

by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 22, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree

But for some reason he doesn’t want to play within the sets. I will say, though, that in this last game he did make some timely passes out near the arc. Incredibly refreshing. Let’s hope it happens more.

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by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We were sunk by Melo

and his selfish stupid ego ball. At one point he was what 2 -17? Sure he almost pulled us out at the end, but he was also the one that sunk us at the beginning. I am tired of watching the rest of the team stand around too intimidated to do anything but watch while he decides what to do? This is not team basketball. Get rid of him! Get rid of the coach.

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by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 3:32 AM EST reply actions  

Jumping the gun

Are you serious…get rid of Melo? No offense, but you are wishing for something that will not happen. Just sit back and relax, they will get it together, just like they did last year.

by D CLASSIC317 on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing that is glaringly obvious, no matter how much I don't want to admit it...

Is that in the fourth when Melo starting taking that myriad of shots, it didn’t seem like he was doing it for the team. It felt like he was taking those shots for himself, to prove a point to Denver, or maybe us, I don’t know. But no way he could of had the best interest of the team in mind with his play down the stretch.

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by B.Rush on Jan 22, 2012 3:42 AM EST reply actions  

Correct

Even though he made some of them, and is undoubtedly a once in a generation player his overall effect on this team is negative. Best get rid of him while he still has value.

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

re: value

I don’t want to say that sentiment is stupid because theoretically it is correct. Yeah every game we lose and he plays bad his value goes down and that’s the case with any player also not named Carmelo Anthony. But if you seriously think that If we put Melo on the market we wouldn’t have at least 20 teams offering 1st rd picks AND some combo of starter’s then I’m glad you guys aren’t GM’s. Even if we didn’t win another game this season we’d still be able to move him and get back a decent pckg. so long as he’s healthy.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 22, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think you can be right without me being wrong

and vice versa. I’ll be glad to accept a huge deal from any team willing and able to give it. I’m quite glad that you believe melo will still be overvalued on the market regardless of his play. Personally, I wouldn’t be a GM who would offer a big pckg for melo, but I’d surely be a GM who would accept one. Fair?

by mp987987 on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i mean regardless how u feel abt the guy

he is STILL considered at the very least a top offensive threat and at his best a potential hall of famer.

if every trade were based on how guys were playing at their worst, the only deals that’d get done would be salary dumps

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Wow.. Thank you so much for letting me know the name of the Knicks' PA Announcer

so that I can tell people that he is in my top 5 most hated people on Earth. In my weird-ass mind, I blame 20% of all Knicks losses on that bastard.

Also, thanks for mentioning Chandler’s intermittent reluctance to play help defense. This is something that I’ve mentioned before here and I kinda got flamed a bit. The dude is immobile when his teammate let’s his man blow by him and head towards the rim. Chandler simply does not believe in weak-side blocks. What is your business being 7’1 when you don’t try to block shots at the rim? Amar’e is BY FAR the superior rim intimidator.

by BJabs on Jan 22, 2012 3:55 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, but how do you pronounce it?

Wall-zoo-ski? Wall-zeh-ski? Wal-kuh-zoo-skih?

by BJabs on Jan 22, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I prefer Wallahkazooska

but really have no idea.
Why do you hate him?

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

if BJabs is like me,

it’s because his voice and how he says their names isn’t motivating. PA announcers should electrify the players and the crowd.

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait, what?

I love him! He’s kind of a legend, no?

by Jackaroe on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

it's surprising to me he's the same guy from the 90's

i liked him then. maybe i’m just more of a jerk than i was as a kid, but i get annoyed that he’s not more exciting. But yeah, he’s kind of a legend.

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he's gotta step his game up

And refresh his SOUND

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by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I feel like I’m at the damn circus rather than watching a basketball game. He announces players’ names like they’ve just finished their balance-beam act. He doesn’t pump up the crowd. Just watch any other NBA basketball game and, if you’ve watched enough Knicks, you’ll feel like, wow, their PA announcer is really doing what he can to get the audience going. There’s none of that in New York.

The Memphis Grizzlies’ PA Announcer has always stood out to me as being particularly motivating. He also, as far as I can tell, does the PA work for the Houston Rockets. Here’s a video of an interview of him with samples of his style thrown in sometimes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJfdVb00wiA

by BJabs on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and considering that the MSG crowd is a little disheartened lately,

we could use some of that. This guy sounds like the Memphis guy, I agree. I feel like this is another solid piece of evidence that the organization in MSG is garbage and doesn’t know and/or care about success. An easy thing to change, and could make such a difference.

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Surely you jest

Chandler had 3 blocks and a couple of tip backs that saved some possessions. I thought he had a great game.

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Hate to say it

But chandler could take a page from zo’s book with that

by Kupe on Jan 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

gallo....:(

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 22, 2012 4:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Felton, Chandler, Mozzie

:( :( :(

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 4:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Let’s not get nuts over Gallo. That was his career high, not like he does that every night. He had 3 the other night against Philly. He was super charged up being back at the Garden.

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by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

he only took 3 shots against philly

and had a bad ankle that he had been playing through. Its extremely difficult to score when your teammates don’t give you the ball. just ask amar’e…

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by LaimbeersGuardianAngel on Jan 22, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

mike piazza looks like stephen dorf.

"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."

by TheMoon on Jan 22, 2012 4:25 AM EST reply actions  

well this sucks.

I didnt even know we played tonight. Had a long day, came hime and checked league pass guide….didnt see any new york channel. Ugh, i would have loved to see this double OT game. Even if we still lost.

I do agree that we shouldnt be going to melo 100% of the time come end of games. BUT i dont think its all melo. Melo is given the green light by dantoni. Shumpert unknowingly confirmed it in that nba tv post game conference a little while back. Its ridiculous the lack of command dantoni has on this team. Yes hes a players coach…but being the coach you HAVE to be abke to control shit! Make them do whaat ur scheme says do.

Maybe all this changes when a vet like b diddy comes and realizes that this aint working. Cuz i believe he has the balls not to just get it across halfcourt and give it to melo. If he doesnt chaange this team…than its bye bye dantoni.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Jan 22, 2012 5:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It was actually a pretty good game

aside from Melo’s 10-30. Guys were hustlng, playing good D (even STAT). If Melo took the night off we probably win by 10.
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Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Blame Melo all you want, but down the stretch of a close game, nobody else wants to take a big shot. Stat is proving to be nothing without a competent point guard. I think Shumpert has the balls to take a big shot, but he was out of the game.

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by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Knicks got a big lead

with Melo on the bench

Facts are facts

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody else wants to take a big shot?

really? How do you know that? Have you spoken to everybody? How do you know what people want? The problem is that only one player on this team gets the opportunity the take the big shot. HOW FUCKIN STUPID IS THAT?

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

relax

it’s just basketball, if ur that mad about it maybe you should take a break…sip some chamomile or take a bubble bath or something.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 22, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I AM NOT MAD

really just frustrated that almost everybody but the people involved can see the problem

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

oh okay

cuz i mean I can almost hear your fingers crashing down on the keyboard with the caps and all and then the sarcastic questioning. It’s cool, I’m not the emotions police. I’d actually understand it if you were upset tho, the Knicks habitually make me throw things, just know that we’re all in this together.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 22, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

never show that picture of Mike Piazza again. Take it off the internet if possible. Dude will always be my favorite athlete and celebrity, but that is bad

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by astromets on Jan 22, 2012 5:14 AM EST reply actions  

So painful

to see what this team could, be, and then for them to revert to type at the end of the 4th and the OTs.

Pretty shitty news about Jorts too. Guess we will recall Jordan from the D league now?

by Bertilad on Jan 22, 2012 6:40 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe Melo

is creating a hall of fame legacy by being the best scorer in the 4th quarter???

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by Giantssincesix on Jan 22, 2012 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

in other (related) news....

Jeremy Lin had a monster game in d-league – 28 / 12 / 11

by cynickfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

i love everything about this.

and thought people were joking when they said Lin got a triple double. you know how some of us are hard to read into on here. and nobody commented, so I think I’m not the only one.

The 6-foot-3, 200-pound Lin showed a quicker first step than his looks would indicate and an understanding of how to run the pick-and-roll (he and Jordan ran it beautifully a few times Friday night) on his way to the triple-double. He seems to have room for development, too, considering his basketball IQ and age are both acting in his favor.

so, he’s everything we’re missing? Basketball IQ? Pick N Roll? Let’s hope his room for development truly gets more attention in the Development League than it ever would have on our roster

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade* for him!

Tyson and Melo for these Lin and Jordan characters!

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by WSD on Jan 22, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

in my perfect world, we would...

a) have a PG depth chart of BD, shumpty and Lin
b) ban Melo from touching the ball in the first 10 seconds of any possession
c) Ditto Amare
d) make clear TD is not allowed inside the paint
e) insist each player gets a flag that they have to hand off and swap when they switch so everyone knows who is guarding who
f) attach a huge spring to Amare’s right shoulder that knocks him back on his ass every time he puts his shoulder down and dribbles

by cynickfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

in a perfect world

a) We have more pg depth than that so Shump can play both guard positions throughout – we want his D and energy as he learns to run an offense
b) When given the ball, Melo spends the first 10+ seconds trying to run plays to set up his teammates before looking for his own shot
c) Amare is the recipient of most of those plays
d) TD can actually drive into the paint and finish, thus causing defenses to collapse and leave perimeter guys open
e) We mostly only allow switches to get Amare off the guy with the ball
f) couldn’t agree more

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by astromets on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yawn

Melo went to the bench, and we were up 6 six. The lead was lost with him on the bench

by gunranger on Jan 22, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

Agree

On the other hand, they were playing better without him because Bill Walker was on fire in the second quarter. Still MDA felt he had to make the automatic reinsertion of Melo at the halfway point. Stick with the hot hand!

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by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

So many things wrong with this team right now

I don’t think having a real PG can solve them all.

Amare… I just don’t even know what to say at this point.

by JWurm on Jan 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

I thought Amare was good last night...

he started off terrible on D, like ’I’d rather let them score a hundred layups than me pick up a foul". But his D was vastly improved in stretches. One time I saw him slide his feet at the top of the key when he was faced up against one of those Al harrington types. And he actually got in the way! He also had a lot of strips and tips that led to us getting the ball or slowing up the Knuggets. I also think that his 15 foot jumper will straighten itself out, and his game will change drastically then. And finally, he always starts the season poorly and then heats up at the end (with the exception being last year- thanks to ’Malo)

by Nothin purer than the rooster on Jan 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree his D was pretty god last night

But he only took 9 shots in a game that went to double overtime. He played 45 minutes and only took 9 shots.(!)

As someone said below, its not just Melo’s fault. Amare has been way too passive, and D’Antoni doesn’t seem to be drawing much up for him.

by JWurm on Jan 22, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

His defense was not god last night, but it was good

by JWurm on Jan 22, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo's post-game comments

They concern me. He makes it sound like these basketball concepts of ball movement and being a good teammate that seem so self-evident to everyone else are just occurring to him now. There’s a long road ahead.

Afterward, Anthony…offered an eight-minute confessional, wondering aloud for the first time about his shot selection, his decision-making and everything else.

"I’ve been in situations like this before, when shots don’t go in," said Anthony, who is 35 for 105 over the last four games. "Maybe I need to not take so many shots. I don’t know. That’s just a bunch of stuff that goes through my mind. Just coming down, taking less shots, just figuring out ways, how to make other guys better. Should I pass it more?"

He added: "Maybe I should take the blame for the games we’ve been losing, the offensive struggles. The coaches do run the offense through me. I’ll take it. I’ll take that blame."

by Jackaroe on Jan 22, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Carmelo has been THE guy

in every single level of basketball he’s played. He even took some big shots in the olympics. its hard to just stop doing that. Im glad he sees it though lol.

by Fabfreebird on Jan 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He's made it almost a decade of playing high-level basketball

and earned about $100 million along the way, without ever thinking "gee, shooting a fadeaway 20-footer with six arms in my face while my teammates are wide the fuck open on the wing is… bad?

I mean, baby steps, I guess. Maybe he is maturing! But it seems more likely that his agent texted him to be like “Psst, when you go 11-26 and get ejected and don’t talk to the media, you kind of have to say something nice when you go 10-30 the next night in another loss.”

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps

That wuss of a coach should grow some balls and actually TELL Melo how he is killing the team and HOW we need him to play and HOW we would be a so much better team overall if he bought into the team concept. Will he?? Ha !! Never in a million years would Wusstoni dare upset the “star” on a team. Tony Douglas gets ripped a new ass every game, but Melo and Stat, not a word is said. That is why I am SO proud of the Garden crowd last night when the chanted “PASS” when Melo had the ball. I really believe that is the reason for his post game comments of “Maybe I need to not take so many shots. I don’t know” is because the crowd was the first person(s) to ever tell Melo this. I ask that all who attend the games in person to please continue to coach from the stands because it is clear Wusstoni can’t, so it is up to us fans !!

by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad thing is

I think Danilo Gallinari might be better at basketball than Carmelo Anthony. He looks awkward, he’s a bit crosseyed, and he’s not as good at hitting contested shots. But I think he has a better idea of how to help his team actually win a basketball game. And that is sad, because we traded him for Anthony.

Oh, and also we threw in Wilson Chandler, Mozgov, and Felton. Oh, and a first round draft pick.

Kudos to Denver – faced with a situation of having a superstar with an expiring contract who had his eye on one particular team, a very disadvantageous bargaining position, they pulled off what has to be the best trade of an expiring superstar in the history of the NBA – one that allowed them to not only continue but enhance their winning ways. Brilliant. Of course it helps that Dolan is a putz.

I feel bad for D’antoni, because he probably will get canned or not brought back next year if this continues. His future here depends on him getting Carmelo to play smart basketball, and who knows if that’s even possible to do?

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by fuhry on Jan 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

I died a little inside last night
I think Danilo Gallinari might be better at basketball than Carmelo Anthony. He looks awkward, he’s a bit crosseyed, and he’s not as good at hitting contested shots. But I think he has a better idea of how to help his team actually win a basketball game. And that is sad, because we traded him for Anthony.

In one night, Melo was everything I’d feared he’d be, while Gallo was everything I used to dream he’d become. That kid is going to be really good. Shit, he is really good and he’s only 23, he’s going to get better. He’ll never average 27ppg, but he’ll be part of some excellent basketball teams. Just not the Knicks. God fucking dammit.

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

We don't deserve him...

I still remember the boos on draft day.

I miss him too though. I remember that bobcats game whenever I see him.

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by Giantssincesix on Jan 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember that time he dueled Melo in the third quarter of that

game and the Knicks won the game, and Melo said, “That was cool” after the game. Dude you LOST. I was a bit concerned at the time.

Baiting Melo into taking over is a good game plan for the opposing team, and I think that’s what Gallo did.

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by fuhry on Jan 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

we boo everyone at draft day

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I would have never traded Gallo

I think he had a rare combo of traits to make him a great player

but…

I’m still convinced we got a great player in return and what’s done is done to me at least.

but I get the nostalgia and don’t blame ya at all.

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by Lord Smackington on Jan 22, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest difference is that Gallo never gets into "fuck you, gotta get mine" mode

Even when he was starting to get in a groove offensively, he never forced the action and still played within Denver’s offense. He’s gotten better about his shot selection and seems to have improved his defense, too.

by 100% dundee on Jan 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been saying this since 2009

just sayin… and no I don’t have any quotes to back it up from that time period so feel free not to believe me

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by LaimbeersGuardianAngel on Jan 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

so, there are clear-eyed Knick fans. I knew it!

Fuhry, Gallo is 6’10, moderately strong, pretty fast (after the first 2 steps), awkward drives that draw fouls offset by a beautiful jump shot.

The idea that some have that he’s not athletic is just wrong. Actually, whatever else Melo does well, Melo is not athletic at all. Not that tall, slow, not quick average jumper and dont be fooled by some of his bully drives, he’s not that strong. Also, look closely at Melo, doesnt he look a bit dumpy? Honestly.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, Melo is athletic

but he’s not a freak like Amar’e, LeBron, Dwight, Kobe, Igoudala etc. And Gallo’s athleticism has always been underrated for the obvious reason, he is a somewhat doofy looking white dude.

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

no real reason to argue here, I'm just interested

What does Melo do that leads you to believe he’s athletic? Just curious.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont see it

and what is his size. He’s not that big.

You might be confusing technique with athleticism. The NBA is full of athletic players, but Carmelo isnt one of them. Not a terrible thing. Andre Miller is a good PG but has very little athleticism.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He's 6'8" or 6'9", 240

around the same size as Karl Malone (not as muscular, obviously)

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo is actually pretty crazy athletic

He doesn’t have like a 40 inch vertical like the players flossy mentioned, but Melo is athletic.

He actually is very strong, his second jump is pretty insane too. Check him out under the basket when he’s going for offensive boards. He just muscles everyone out and is up and down again before everyone else until he gets the basket or the foul.

He’s also not fast like end-to-end fast, but he’s quick. There’s a reason why many people can’t stick with him when he makes his moves to the basket

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by WSD on Jan 22, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Fast reflexes and very good fine motor skills for someone so big and thick

It allows him to have the finesse game of a SG in the body of a power forward. And he is strong, not “strong” like giant ripped biceps strong, but like “I have a thick ass and will use it to get to where I want to be on the court” strong.

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

OK reflexes are pretty good and, yes, he has good fine motor skills.

Coordinated and smooth too. The finesse game is technique more than athleticism.

I think sometimes Carmelo also over rates his own athleticism. I think thats why he gets called for offensive fouls

Yes he has a, how do you say it? thick ass? But may also slow him down a bit too.

Not a big disagreement here.

Big problem is what he does with what he has, no?

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Athleticism is necessary for technique

Fewer than a handful of guys his size could play that kind of game no matter how much they practice. I don’t like Melo’s game, but he is a physically gifted player, no question. He’s just not going to win a dunk contest or a full-court sprint anytime soon.

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

me, I feel opposite

I dont like his athleticism, I love his skills, I want him no where near my team

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't saying I "like" his athleticism, just that he isn't UNathletic

He’s a very, very skilled player whom I’d prefer play elsewhere.

by flossy on Jan 22, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

got ya

but more importantly, honestly, I cant be a fan of a team that Carmelo leads. I never looked at Melo Nugget games unless I had to because of the other teams. His style of play just bores me

But plenty of fans love what melo does and so, well, we’ll just have to disagree

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the point of having a guy like STAT if you're not going to use him for

essentially two quarters of the game? Every time he had an opportunity in the post, no one got him the ball. On the pick and rolls, no one shot him the ball to take it to the hoop for a dunk/layup/foul. I know Melo is a great offensive player, but STAT can be too, and we need to find ways to get him the ball down low. He’s going against PFs now more than Centers like last year thanks to Chandler. Ugh, I’m frustrated. And the sloppy ish in the third quarters with all those turnovers needs to end.

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by JaviLouis on Jan 22, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

what i have been seeing int games even last night when picks a set the roller hardly gets the ball …chandler sets a pick and shumpert gives the ball to carmelo and that is bull…what ever happen to ball movement

hustle and hustle with muscle

by bins12 on Jan 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

too many times Stoudemire would go over to set a screen for Fields/Melo/Shump/Douglas, and instead of using it they would just swing the ball over to the next wing. Stoudemire would have this look on his face like WTF?

I’m not saying Stoudemire isn’t partly to blame here. He’s a co-captain and he should speak up, which is what he’s not doing. On the court though, I don’t know if there’s anything else Stoudemire can do on offense. None of these guys thrive in iso offense, they all thrive in a speedy, team offense.

by Edelorbe on Jan 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

that's the problem rgiht there

No one so much as LOOKS at Stoudemire when he comes off the pick-and-rolls. Last night was the first game in which Stoudemire set way more screens than Chandler, and not once did he get the ball coming off that screen. This has led to Stoudemire not even getting up the floor on OFFENSE. Before he was always streaking up the floor either as the trailer or to get an easy basket. Now he just stays back on offense and is the last guy up, probably because he knows he’s not going to get the ball.

Douglas is useless as the ballhandler in these situations, and it’s pretty obvious that Melo and Shumpert just don’t know how to properly run a PnR. This is why I’m positive that if Baron Davis is healthy, this team will improve. Our defense still isn’t good, but it’s definitely above average. With a real PG, we’ll have someone to actually run the offense.

The only thing that worries me, is that I know boom dizzle won’t be able to play 38-40 minutes a game; it’ll probably be more around the 28-34 range. Which means that for 14-20 minutes a game, our offense is going to completely suck.

by Edelorbe on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless Bibby can integrate and be given a chance to control the game while Davis gets his rest

that would be better in my opinion than Shumpert or Douglas running point. Davis for 25-30 Bibby for the rest, sounds good to me.

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by JaviLouis on Jan 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Last night sucked.

I would trade Melo for Moz, straight up.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

melo took 30 shots last night

the next highest was 16 ..wow…blame the coach

hustle and hustle with muscle

by bins12 on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

No

Blame Carmelo Anthony for not doing his homework. There is way too much evidence these days that show how ineffective it is to be taking 25-30 shots every game. The coach shouldn’t have to tell him that (although he should). We’re in an age where all the superstars are team-first players: LeBron, Wade, Rose, CP3, Howard… all team first guys who don’t complain when they don’t get the ball, and adjust when their shot isn’t falling.

There comes a point where the player has to be held completely accountable.

I doubt this will ever happen though. I think it was Barkley who said that at some point, you just are who you are as a player, and that doesn’t change. I’m almost positive Melo reached that point about 2-3 years ago.

The best thing to do with Melo is to have a PG who will control the ball and control his shots (ala Billups in Denver). So once again:

Enter Baron Davis.

by Edelorbe on Jan 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Check out the Heat shot distribution every night. Last night Bosh took 19, Lebron 17, and nobody else took more than 9. The difference is that they win every night. If they didn’t, it would be the same situation. Nobody cares if Melo takes way more shots than anyone else if the team wins.

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by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Melo is not mj

And he is not lebron, and he is not d-wade.

by Jackaroe on Jan 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i have every inclination to list every player melo is not

but I won’t. I don’t have to because he proves what he isn’t every night on the court

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Notice

That you just said 19 and 17 shots. Melo is taking 25-30 shots a game.

by Edelorbe on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

if u guys check it out the main players for the nuggets were all former knicks …moz,al,galo,nene and when chandler comes back from china…..wow

hustle and hustle with muscle

by bins12 on Jan 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

They have a nice team, but they’ll never win a title. Hate on Melo all you want, but this is a superstars league. Denver could never get past a big time team in a playoff series.

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by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They couldn't do it with Melo too

so what is your point?

Unless you are saying Melo isn’t a superstar…

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by Giantssincesix on Jan 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

superstars play defense.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

superstars control the game so much that

even when they are not involved, they are involved.

Think a player like Dwight and LeBron. YOu have to be aware of them every second that they are on the court. BTW, combined = 0 titles, at this point in time.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

so, by your logic,

melo doesn’t belong in this league? because he is not a superstar

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

"this is a superstars league" rxmeister

That is just a cliche. Think a little harder about this. Superstars draw casual fans. Teams win titles.

BTW for the very few superstars who’ve driven their teams to titles, there have only been around 5 of them in 32 years (Bird, magic, Jordan, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq). Only 5 in 32 years. How many such players are there in the NBA now? Do the Knicks have a star on that magnitude?

Be serious. Most teams have to go the many good players rout like teams of the 70, and recent Detroit Pistons.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure. . .

. . . that wasn’t Walczewski last night. I was at the game. Completely different voice. I tried googling “substitute PA KNicks announcer” but came up with nothing.

by patstarks3 on Jan 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Oh word?

Thanks for letting me know. Sounded like him over the TV. You know, come to think of it, I think I heard something about there being a new guy.

by Seth on Jan 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

oh here we go

I’m not a dick for hating on the PA after all

by mp987987 on Jan 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he only does weekdays.

This other much more boring buy does weekends and this was a Saturday game so it definitely wasn’t Walczewski.

by tkow on Jan 22, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver Stiffs is calling for extending gallo

how do we fuck up everything nice we have.

i really dislike this team right now. Its shocking how Melo is everything I had wished he wouldnt be. Im bitter, pissed, and its going to take some real humbling from this douchebag “superstar” to make me change my mind.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Jan 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I know

when I dont cal ’em the NY Stinks, I call them the NY Melos

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Walczewski still does games . . .

. . . I’m pretty sure he did the Bucks game. Saw him at the table on TV. But I think this guy fills in from time to time. Also, I was once at a TGI Fridays and saw Walczewski. I pointed him out to my dad. I was 12. Yeah, I have problems.

by patstarks3 on Jan 22, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Does Shump not stretch or something?

I’ve never seen somebody cramp up so much.
Oh, and Gallo was in BEAST mode.

by chris-9999 on Jan 22, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

</3

Some quick notes:
-Shumpert looked great in the first half. His playmaking was a pleasant surprise. Like I said pre-game, the match up with Lawson/ Shumpert was key.
-Landry did look great except for the late charge and missed 3s. Really encouraging to see him improve. Next to Amar’e, he’ll probably see the biggest improvement when Baron plays.
-Melo had an ugly first 3 and a half quarters. He made up for it with a great finish, but those shots he took were far from good shots.
-Amar’e was out of it. Many are quick to blame Melo, but I put more blame on D’Antoni (which I never do) and Amar’e himself. Call for the ball. Don’t be so passive. It was nice to see him get a lot of steals deep in the paint btw.
-Tyson’s impact was apparent when he fouled out. This guy does all the right things except for the occasional bad foul. His picks are great, he’s a great rebounder, he’s improved at finishing and he isn’t afraid to bark orders.
-JORTS!!! :( Why??? You were doing soo great. Pray for a speedy recovery.
-Walker’s 2nd quarter was outstanding. I really didn’t like how D’Antoni didn’t play him much.
-Douglas hit some shots but also had some typical TD plays. I really hated seeing him on Lawson to finish the game.
-Jefferies has been a somewhat pleasant surprise.

by hvino on Jan 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

WOW !! Stephen A. Smith

This is a must listen Knick fans, old Stephen A. goes ape shit on our Knicks!!

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=7490472

by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 22, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

love his passion

mostly agree with him except I would substitie Melo for stat in that trade scenario.

Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles

by YuckFou on Jan 22, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I LOVE Stephen A. Smith

I know he’s immature rolling his eyes at anybody on ESPN who doesn’t agree with him and belittling them, but…
I LOVE Stephen A. Smith.
The man is the truth.
He could do a better job than most of our organization excluding the players, at what they do respectively— too bad he has a better job already

by mp987987 on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Let every Knick listen to this

all front office, all players, everyone…
Alone, not in a group where they can dismiss it together. In a dark room, where they can HEAR it and can’t escape the truth.
Over and Over and Over until Stephen A. Haunts their dreams til the day we reach that next level. Mark my words we will improve instantly

by mp987987 on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm mentioned in the recap!

That pretty much makes me a celebrity, right?!

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by WSD on Jan 22, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

What a game yesterday!

Gallo &, Moz 1, Melo 0…Instant Classic! Good the luck the rest of the year (you will need it).

I loved how Knicks fans were yelling at Melo to pass the ball. LMAO!!!!

Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jan 22, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Nugget Fan !

Can you answer my question of whether or not Melo was ever booed or chanted “pass, pass, pass” at while he was in Denver?? I am curious if last night was a first, and perhaps a little eye opener for him.

by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 22, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There were times when he was booed (mostly playoffs)

Watching the Knicks was like watching the Melo Nuggets. He misses a lot of shots but will makes a lot late minute game winners.

My problem with Melo he get up for the Good teams (like the Lakers, Boston, and Spurs) but would play down to teams like Sacramento, Minnesota, and the Clips. I guess he doesn’t believe in his teammates.

Faried takes over for KMart
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jan 22, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

sight*

wow

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

+100000

for the adultswim reference, Seth

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Things could be worse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4c_wI6kQyE You could be this baby.

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Jan 22, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

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