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Knicks= Win now or bust?

Hey guys, first time posting but long time trolling here at P&T. As most of you are I too am very frustrated with the way the Knicks have been playing this season. Which leads to this post! I’m not going to complain or be drastic with my rationale but I am just trying to paint a picture of where the Knicks are going in the future.

The Knicks are haunted by a long list of awful trades. Most of which is Isaiah Thomas’ fault. Just off the top of my head:

That’s all I can remember off the top of my head, and I actually liked the Marbury deal at the time and the first year of him playing. Dude was a beast but screwed everything up with his terrible ego. It’s times like this where we look back and should consider ourselves lucky to have a starting front court of Byson/Stat/Melo with youngins’ Shump, Landry, DWTDD, Jorts, and Baron Davis waiting in the wings. We have come a long way from the Isaiah Thomas dark days. Or have we?

The Knicks are once again failing to live up to expectations placed upon them, some of them unrealistic. But with our ‘Big 3’ staying above .500 should not be this big of a problem. Not to mention there is NO more salary cap room. Stat signed a 5 year/$100 GUARANTEED contract last season. Melo signed a 3 year/$65 Mil contract extension last season, and Chandler signed a 4 year/$64 million contract this offseason. We are committed to these players for at least the next 2 years barring another bizzare trade. I am not going to be over drastic with these claims, I am simply stating the facts right now. Perhaps Baron Davis can become that guy we need this season and make everything click. And I really hope he does. But regardless of how this year plays out, what about the future?

Consider this: with so little cap space, filling out the roster for the bench is hard, and even harder to find consistent contributors to come off the bench and produce. What are we looking at after this season? What if Baron Davis only plays this year as a Knick? Who then becomes the starting point guard next season? Where do we begin to fill our holes and make this team better? The Knicks are in a win-now mind-set, and rightfully should be while they still have Stat and Melo on the roster for the time being. The most popular way to fill your needs on the cheap is the draft. Okay so that should be easy, look how rookies have been contributing all over the league so far, and not just Shump. Whats the problem here? The Knicks are STILL being haunted by those trades that have been mentioned above. We are without a first round OR second round pick this year( Tracy McGrady trade, the 2nd round pick I believe belongs to the Suns). As far as my research goes, we still have a 2013 first round pick (I could be wrong) but are without a 2nd rounder. Our 2014 AND 2016 first round picks both go to Denver for Melo. I know that is awhile down the road but just something to consider.

My intention is not to be negative or cause alarm. I am just trying to look at the situation. I am a Knicks fan and enjoy when my team is a factor every single year. Will the Knicks still be able to be contenders 2-3 years from now? Or is too much put into this season? I think it is the latter, in my own opinion. Of course nobody knows what the future holds or what the next shake-up to the team might be. But the team, as is at the moment, is not built to win in 2 years from now (and apparently from our play this season, not even built to win now)

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not including camby was your first mistake

i say win by 2015 or bust.

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by stingy d on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 AM EST reply actions  

to expound

i am half-expecting the knicks to get one of the four guys playing in china right now:

jr smith
kenyon martin
aaron brooks
wilson chandler (not likely, because he will be a restricted free agent)

we can use our “room exception” (pro-rated 2.5 million) salary for one of these guys. then next year we have a full mid-level exception. which is a little shy of 6 million. with any luck, we’ll have a decent showing in the playoffs, and someone will want to play for us next season. there’s lots of viable point guard options. and a few decent wings that are all unrestricted. if we can snag two of them, and possibly hold on to baron davis, we could be looking at a fairly deep team. rather than a top heavy team.

perhaps:

steve nash /baron davis
jr smith / iman shumpert
carmelo anthony / landry fields
amar’e stoudemire / boris diaw
tyson chandler / josh harrelson

thats just ten deep, but adds 3 (4ish) player. its assuming a lot. like for instance: anyone is dumb enough to play for the needlessly overscrutanized new york knicks… but its not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

that also doesn’t include toney douglas a few other assorted characters who might be tradeable for a late first rounder, a maybe 2 second rounders? tough to say.

but look, tyson, amar’e and melo’s contracts take up all the cap space, but they also end at the same time. give them that much time, and lets see where we can go.

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by stingy d on Jan 23, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

yo..we NEED Boris Diaw.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean

it sounds goofy as a motherfucker, but he could give us dependable minutes off the bench.

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by stingy d on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So let’s move into last place, wait X number of years until Melo,Amare contracts
are done. Then in the 1st year we have cap room, trade all our #1s for
the next 10 years for 85 year old Steve Nash. Sounds like a plan, Mr. Dolan?

by frankiec on Jan 23, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

melo, amar'e and chandler's contracts

all expire in the same year. after the 2014-25 season.

thats this year, and three more. you can’t give this team 3.75 season’s together? see if we can’t make key additions that put us over the top? thats not worth it to you?

what sense is there in breaking the team up prior to that? at least let them prove they can’t have a winning season and that they don’t want to work it out with one another. no?

which is worse? dumping them quickly for the minimal gain of a long term rebuilding project? or playing it out to see if we can’t fill the cracks?

seriously… don’t bother me with who is a better player than who on what contract etc… just answer me what you would rather have: a fiscally sound plan for the next few season’s? or a fly-by-night get rich quick scheme that could jumble the salary cap structure moving forward? i would like to know what you think.

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by stingy d on Jan 23, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

*2014-15 season*

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by stingy d on Jan 23, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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