Melo Still Melo
There we were after Saturday night's hearbreaking game, mulling over another aggravating performance from Carmelo Anthony when, lo, Melo himself vaguely acknowledged our despair and even expressed hints of contrition in his legendary maybe culpa post-game speech. It was pretty out of character for a guy who's more prone to tuning out criticism and just doing what he does. Fear not, though. That was but a fleeting moment of self-awareness, and we're now back to your regularly scheduled programming. From Howard Beck:
Meanwhile, Melo downplayed his post game melancholy from Sat nite. Said he was being hard on himself.
Carmelo not rethinking his shot selection, despite his remarks Saturday. "I was just beating myself up," he said.
There's our Melo! I was worried about the guy for a second.
(Seriously, though, it'll be very interesting to see how the shot distribution and reliance on Melo iso, particularly in the fourth quarter, changes-- if at all-- going forward. The aftermath of the Denver game felt like it could be a turning point, but maybe not. Exciting!)
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Move along nothing to see here. Just when you think the guy finally gets it. He wakes up and goes, “are you kidding?” The guy has the highest usage rate of his career. But he is not shooting too much?
He retracted his postgame comments
once informed that the fact that Danilo Gallinari dropped 37 on him didn’t technically make it “opposite day.”
dayum!
Let’s see Denver has played 47 games without him and won 31. The Knicks have played 49 games since he showed up here and have won 20. Yet he doesn’t think changes need to be made. Hmmmm By the way Gallo scored 37pts on 19 shots. Carmelo 25 pts on 30 shots. Clearly things are working.
That is only because you tend not to read what I write and only react.
by Robert Curre on Jan 23, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
no I think it's the frequent flip flopping and telling people not to overreact
And then going on an anti-Melo spree all of a sudden
it's objectivity, tis all
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
Note to all Melo Boys!
please, please, please do not tell me how Melo is beasting and what we need to do is trade Amare and Fields for 3 legged pigs. The team was 2 games over .500 with Amare and Fields. We are 9 games under with Carmelo. That is a swing of -11. So if anyone needs to be traded for a 3 legged pig right now it is ______.!
Who are the two open guys, and are they reliable shooters?

If so, this picture really says a lot.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
What does this mean?
Dirt strong, son.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
idk
but it’s hillarious.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome... so so awesome....
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Jan 23, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
this brought forth a 20 second, evil-sounding laugh from me
and i thank you for that.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Jan 23, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
on a night when Fields is shooting
8-14 from the floor maybe he should pass him the ball. By the Way Toney Douglas actually shot a higher percentage from 3 than Melo did in this game. So maybe passing to him since there isn’t a guy within 15 feet of him would not have been a bad play either.
by Robert Curre on Jan 23, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
he is definitely not a playmaker
He could have passed the ball to 3 different players but wanted to shoot it himself and make things harder.
It is not about being a playmaker it is about playing basketball
We are talking about a guy who has played 1,000s of hours of basketball in his life. he has played over 650 NBA games in his career, so he should have an understanding of what the right basketball play is. In the above photo he had four possible plays he could make. Pass to Fields who had a wide open shot, Pass to Douglas who was even more open than Fields, or Pass to Amare who had one on one coverage with virtually zero chance of a help defender getting involved if he made a quick move. All of those plays were higher percentage plays than the one he chose. You do not have to be John Stockton to realize what a good basketball play is and what is a bad one.
by Robert Curre on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Like anyone didn't know he was full of shit when he said all a that
Keep on chuckin Harrington.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
hm
now you mention it he does wear the same number and the same headband. perhaps he is al chuckington in a paedo moustache disguise?
Platoons?
1st 3 and a half quarters
Stat
Chandler
Landry
Lin
Shump
Boom
last 5 minutes
Melo
Jeffries
Bibby
Jordan
Balkman
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
ALSO anyone from my second platoon
except Melo could play with the 1st platoon.
Melo would only be used as the closer when we really really need him
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
Wow. This place went negative in a hurry.
We’re at the very beginning of the season without our starting point guard. Just think how all those Giants fans feel who jumped ship when they were getting pounded by the Redskins etc… Just sayin’. They were trashing Eli too just like you’re trashing Melo. Relax. We’re working it out. These guys will crush Denver by the end of the year. We’re holding teams under 100. We got that down right from the start – and there is still room for improvement. That is a very big accomplishment come playoff time. Remember last year? We couldn’t stop anyone? The offense will come. Dump Melo? Are you serious?
by Sprewell on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yes I am serious
addition by subtraction. His absence will make everyone better.
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
yo...YO YO!!!!
don’t put the Knicks in the place of the Giants. If anyone trashed Eli, they got fucked up like they should have, no one was blaming Eli like Melo, and Melo deserves the blame anyway, Eli never did.
Those Giants fans that jumped ship after the Redskins game were never fans anyway. They were jumping ship well before that, got called on it and are labeled as such.
This stuff going on with the Knicks is completely different. The Giants might have been a 9-7 team, but it was an injury plagued one and one that has championship roots. Don’t compare their situation to the Knicks. The Knicks will never be the Giants.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jan 23, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Very very rec'd
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Jan 23, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
although ...
i do remember the times ny fans, papers and critics alike were calling for eli’s head on a silver platter. Maybe he had a few ppl with foresight supporting him but there was a LOUD contingent against him. Lets not get selective memory here. I’m sad to say we ny fans have a looong history of this type of behavior in general.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
everybody says
well since the trade denver has won this many regular season games and we won this many regular season games,dont mean nothing. denver did not win a championship last year, we did not win a championship last year.
by lets go buffalo on Jan 23, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
nobody can say who got the best of a trade
when neither team has won shit
by lets go buffalo on Jan 23, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
The idea of the trade was to get a championship caliber team, only for the Knicks
we’ve failed miserably thus far in that. The Nuggets idea was to get the most for their disgruntled player, and they’ve not only succeeded but possibly got better in the process.
To this point, you can absolutely say the Nuggets got the best of the deal.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Add in the fact...
Denver got what they did not just for a disgruntled player… but one they would have received absolutely NOTHING for four months after that trade.
With that trade, we planned to be a Championship contender while sacrificing a lot of future flexibility. At this point, we look to be WORSE than we were with none of that flexibility left.
It’s that second part that hurts me the most. We were rebuilding for 2+ years. We were as patient as possible in understanding that’s the route we had to go. Last year we were excited about a young team stocked with potential AND flexibility.
I’m not just pining for what we gave up in “the trade” (and yes I miss those guys a lot), I’m pissed at what we’ve so far ended up with.
agree
and i like how you used the word thus far, because i thought the nba season was about to end after 16 games
by lets go buffalo on Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
but honestly i thought the goal of the trade was just to
get melo with amare so we can get a third star to compete for a championship. I thought mda had said we still had work to do and was far from competing.
by lets go buffalo on Jan 23, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Work to do didn't necessarily mean another star
As Walsh said repeatedly, “I never said we were going to get a big three, that was you guys saying that. I said we’re going to get a team that can compete for a championship” So that was the goal. And getting Melo was seen as a major part of that goal. But the Knicks are not moving in that direction. They still have time to right the ship, if not this year, next year. But right now they are not as successful based on the trade, and that is not even considering the comparative win loss records. Denver’s goal was to avoid rebuilding. They just wanted to get a competitive team to keep fans in the seats. Otherwise they would have sent Melo to NJ and took their picks. They needed players they could use on the court or as trade assets, and that’s what they got. They didn’t succeed in our goal (win a championship) they succeeded in their goal (remain competitive to keep fans in the seat). Even if we do win a championship this year, it doesn’t change the fact that Denver has accomplished their goal already. So as far as the trade meeting our individual goals, the worst they can do is tie… but they can’t lose.
When I get in the game... win or lose... you know it's pretty much over.
by Hawthorne Nathaniel Wingo on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Damnit Seth!
Beat me to the punch, just wrote somethin similar.
Anywho…. Well, there isn’t much to say. Melo is a knucklehead. Hopefully somebody, other than the Garden crowd, mans up and calls him out on it when he pulls what he’s been doing what he has over the past few games
KNICKS NOW
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!
Maybe the Garden crowd should just get that much more vocal...
make him hear it from somewhere at least if not where it SHOULD be coming from.
Doubt it would make any difference.
The only thing he hears is that voice in his head saying,
“You da man, you da man, you da man, you da man.”
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
I dunno...
I think he definitely feels he is the man… but part of this is he feels that everyone else thinks the same thing. I bet hearing a crowd “turn on him” (even when it’s so deserved for quite a few different reasons) is something he’s not used to and it HAS to sting that huge ego of his at least a little bit.
Grasping for straws here, but...
Melo really did play smoothly within the offense when playing for Team USA. So it is possible for him to work within a system and use his teammates.
Something has to give. I hope it’s not my sanity.
Why are mosquitoes hatching in our offense?
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 23, 2012 5:10 PM EST reply actions
The Difference With Team USA was...
Players like Kobe, Dwight, LeBron, etc., would tell him, M—-f—-er, you’d better give me the d@mn ball. Or they would ice him out if he decided to be a black hole where they’d never see the ball once they threw it to him. They didn’t need him at all, but he knew he needed them, so he worked to make them better. But he doesn’t believe he needs his teammates now, and I don’t believe he thinks he can make them better. And he doesn’t think anyone, including the coach, is good enough to change his game for. STAT missed hitting double figures the other night. Can you imagine Melo letting that happen? If he has one hand and his legs are working, he is going to get his points no matter how many shots it takes. That’s just him.
When I get in the game... win or lose... you know it's pretty much over.
by Hawthorne Nathaniel Wingo on Jan 24, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I guess
people like Melo, Nate, Larry Hughes…even Eddy Curry, are all just the same bunch of delusional douchebags. Melo has more talent and has had different fortunes…but he’s never won anything so he’s still in that league.
Kinda hoped that rebuilding meant also getting rid of that kind of guys…but heck, I also hope Melo turns it around and starts playing like a winner.
by Alessandro Bozzi on Jan 23, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions
Trade this, trade that, dump the coach – etc… then complain about how good all those traded pieces are everywhere else. You’ve got to build a team! This is Carmelo Anthony you all are talking about. Come on! He’s not a superstar but he is a guy who’s going to be draining the last shot against the gaddam Celtics, Pacers, Heat or Sixers in the playoffs. No one is even talking about how sweet it is to have Chandler in the middle. Shumpert was a steal and is going to develop quickly. Get Baron in there working the pick and roll with Stoudemire and tutoring Shumpert and we’ve got 20-25 points more per game. Add that to the fact that Tony, Landry and Amare are all in a slump that will end, or is ending, some day soon. We also have a defense that can stop another team (something we haven’t had in ten years – but who cares about that). This offense is complicated – as Baron pointed out today. It’ll come and it’ll be worth the wait. Go Knicks!
by Sprewell on Jan 23, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
We get it
It’s not that people don’t think Carmelo is talented.
It’s that in order for us to actually do anything as a team, Melo is going to have to accept the Paul Pierce/Celtics role, not the Allen Iverson/Sixers role (or the Carmelo Anthony/Nuggets role, for that matter).
And quotes like the one in the post above give you the impression that he doesn’t get it.
you would think people believe Carmelo is the god damned devil browwsing some of the posts recently
so I could see where he’d get the idea.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
Fields IS NOT in a slump; he’s just not getting the ball passed to him. Melo, Anthony, Douglas, & Shumpert are all in shooting slumps, big time.
Sorry,
I usually let you do your thing, but that first sentence is false. Fields is getting just as many shots in the same minutes as last year. He actually has a higher usage rate this year than last, if you’d prefer that. You could maaaaybe make the argument that he’s getting worse looks than he did last year, but he’s getting and using the ball just as much. At least recently he’s been hitting some of them!
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fieldla01.html
did you know
that the knicks are a better rebounding team than the warriors?
/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \
Biedrins can also rebound
when he’s not babbling to himself about the people in the stands wearing animal suits that are beaming mega-waves at his brain and the coach won’t let him wear his tinfoil hat.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
motha fucka'!
a culture of cliche’s. we finally hear some authenticity from the guy… and then the ego kicks in and he retracts it and replaces it with false bravado thinking that’s leadership.
c’mon melo… be real.
by bucketsncents on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
it doesn’t mean much that he’s downplaying his post-game melancholy to the media now. He’s a proud guy and doubt he liked the way he was open about everything.
So in preaching optimism: maybe he does finally get the issues at hand, but letting us know about that would make him seem weak so he backtracked. (but I have my doubts)
DO NOT underestimate the Garden crowd !
We all know that Wusstoni does not have the balls to tell Melo to keep the other players involved, create ball movement, take less shots, take higher percentage shots, blah, blah, blah and on and on. So it is up to the real Knick fans in attendence at the Garden to coach this team.
I strongly believe that the only reason Melo made those “deep” self reflections was because of the boos and chants from the crowd. I don’t think he ever got that treatment in Denver and I believe it shocked him frankly.
So I ask all real Knick fans to please keep up the coaching, since all we have is a wet noodle with a moustache, it is up to us fans to fix this pile of crap. Boo the hell out of any poor off balanced, triple team shot. Let the PASS, PASS, PASS chants roar when he is holding the ball and doing his little iso thing and slaughtering our ball movement.
He hears it LOUD and CLEAR and I think it is starting to sink in. I am sure many of you believe that real fans should never boo their team. I use to agree until this Melo situation developed. Now I feel that since no one else has the nuts to tell Melo that he is killing us, then there is no other option to let him know that this ain’t Denver and we will not tolerate this crap in NY !!
by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 23, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions
I'm as much as a D'Antoni fan as the next guy
But he needs to stop running that stupid Melo-go-solo play at the end of games.
Carmelo+D'Antoni=Disaster
If the Knicks had a coach, ‘Melo would not be playing solo at the end of games, especially while he is not in prime health. Players’ coaches are great, except when they can’t coach the players.
If Mike had a full roster with a couple guys who could make a basket wide open in clutch time
If Melo had a conscience maybe he’d be a coach’s player. If Amar’e didn’t act like someone stole his mojo. If Landry didn’t have to think about every shot. If TD could remember what DWTDD was. If Bully or anyone could play more than one good quarter a game. If the next time we have 3 straight chances to stuff the ball in from 1 ft away from the basket. If Dolan didn’t read being prudent as going all in. If people remembered we’re a bunch of scorers with absolutely not one of them able to orchestrate a game plan save for the 1 guy we have never seen play with this team. If we didn’t turn 3rd quarters (mostly) into our personal Fiesta Turnover.
Until we have a ball-handling playmaker capable of running the offense instead of turning it into either their own 1 man show or comedy of errors, say, like a Baron Davis, we’re incomplete…all this trading, hating, firing …what will y’all do when and if BD hits the floor, executes the offense and we start winning (and yes I realize we could just suck and go nowhere as well but that’s what it seems alot of people on here are hoping for) and actually looking like a team?
by screamedia on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
Even with Davis, paul or Nash on the floor, Carmelo is still going to have the ball in his hands alot. When he has the ball he has to make better decisions. The man’s decision making has been atrocious and has led to much of the abobe behavior. A point guard cannot fix Carmelo’s decision making with the ball in his hands.
by Robert Curre on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
It did in Denver
when they got Billups. That decision making PG helped take them to the WCF. Now did it totally change Melo’s style of play? No…but it helped take the ball out of his hands and did not predicate him being a playmaker (or decision maker) as much as he is now. Let’s see what we have in Diddy first…
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Disagree...
Yeah. He’ll still have the ball in his hands a lot but it’s going to be up to somebody else to put the ball there and if he’s not hitting shots or making good decisions then Baron can start not putting the ball in his hands. Baron’s played a lot of basketball too, hopefully he’s got the intelligence and balls to keep it out of Melo’s hands when it shouldn’t be there. It’s going to be a lot easier to keep Melo under control when he’s not the guy bringing the ball up the floor.
Also hopefully having a point guard is going to get Amare back into his game and out of this stretch of terrible play he’s been going through. The more we can get the ball to Amare, Tyson, etc the less we HAVE to depend on Melo.
Melo's done this his whole career.
George Karl is “a coach”, I’d say, and he did it there too. Carmelo would and will do this if Phil Jackson’s here too, or whoever else you think is a “coach”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
folks don’t realize it doesn’t matter if Phil Jackson is coaching the Knicks or anyone else. This is his mentality, and unless some Moses splitting the sea type miracle happens, he will not change. Iverson was very talented but could not change and refused to come off the bench late in his career. If he had done so, he would still be in Detroit. As a Knicks fan, i hope he can change but it’s very slim. The guy can hit tough shots and is very clutch but we wouldn’t need all that half the time if he played within the offense. We could have beat Denver in regulation and for heaven’s sake, they were playing with 7 guys on a back to back night and still beat us when we are playing with a “gorilla” on our back. It’s one thing to be a fan of his but one can’t be blinded. No doubt he has talent but he can also easily kill a franchise and people don’t realize how dangerous that can be. Here is a team who has lost 6 games, he fucks up his role players and then has the nerves to say “maybe” and then changes his mind. That’s an asshole and I hate to say this but it’s the truth. Our role players aren’t in a slump but has more to do with him. Fields didn’t hit no damn rookie wall last season. His play declined only after the trade and has continued til now until the last 3 games. This is not a rookie wall but someone suffering because of a different kind of offense. We had one of the most efficient offense’s last season and were fast and high scoring, but then we were getting beat by the ancient Celtics in fast breaks. Imagine a team with a bunch of old fucks having more fast break points and being a faster team than us.
That’s a crime and yet they wonder why we pissed.
by RASHADI on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
Jackson, I think, deserves credit for shuttling Kobe away from this mentality. Also, I think Larry Brown managed to reach Iverson a little. I wouldn’t give D’antoni or George Karl the blame for Melo’s unwise play, but I do think it’s possible for a certain coach to get a guy to change somewhat. I’m not convinced D’antoni can’t do it, yet. These things take time and are measured in incremental steps. The guy’s not going to change overnight.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
you know something?
not that you actually said this but you brought Karl up…i’m kinda sick and tired of hearing how Karl os a real coach and how he is much better off without Anthony and how relieved he is, or must be, because up until the point he was traded Karl and the front office were considering ways to try and keep him. Long after reports came out he wanted a trade…they were trying to keep him and if he had went into free agency
….they would have still been trying to keep him.
Anthony is the same guy that was heralded and worshipped in denver, the only difference is this team got mo’ problems than his last one ans therefore we and he are losing.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
pardon
mobile device…fat thumbs
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
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posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
Apologies
Not sure why that happened
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
if you have 1k to burn then go for it
ticketmaster ticketexchange or stubhub should have some options
personally I'd go behind the knick's bench
closer to the players and i could spy on D’Antoni, maybe even close enough to read his thoughts
but I wanna see
The front of Landry….ahem I mean all of the Knicks EQUALLY
I can like move around before the game starts
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 24, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
"Pass the ball Melo, pass the ball" clap, clapclap
Every time he touches the ball.
Every time.
by I know smart people on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 AM EST reply actions
Wow
Sumtimes I forget what its like to be a knick fan but ive been reminded. I dont understand the “we hate melo” talk. Ppl are actually entertaining "lets trade him talk"? Lets not act like we didnt kno who/what we got in “the trade”. It was “im a scoring machine” melo. Do I blame him for the knick woes? No way. How bout we look at that picture and ask why the fuk are fields and douglas just standing at the 3 pt line?? U kno why? Mike D’antoni! He is the one who hasnt changed. He has basically the entire team hovering around the 3 point line ready to shoot. No cuts to the lane, no back picks, no flashing at the foul line, jus iso’s and badly executed pick and rolls, and shooting 3’s until they fall which is uhhh sumtimes never. We need a coach who can alter his plan to fit his talent not a coach who has no problem with his starting pwr fwd, the backup pwr fwd, & all the guards shooting threes. We still suck at rebounding for that reason. We still suck at points in the paint for that reason and its a shame with front court we have. Im hoping B. Davis can help but im sure the 3’s will still rain in bunches. Name a team thats gotten far with that philosophy. Even with a good pg. I’ll be waiting
by PinstripesSince'78 on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the whole mike d'antoni hasn't changed thing is ludicrous
he has changed his team’s style radically since phoenix, and multiple times in new york. it has everything to do with the personnel. and if you truly believe that fine, but at least recognize that this idea is a total figment of your opinion of the coach.
i’m not saying he’s good or bad (i don’t want to debate that with you), but to say he hasn’t adjusted to his several groups of players each season is off base.
and i’ll go ahead and tell you a team that employs this philosophy in an even more drastic way than the knicks- the orlando magic. they have been shooting more three’s than anyone else in the league for years. and their coach has gone on record saying that he doesn’t like two point shots that aren’t in the lane.
/// aighttho.com \\/// twitter.com/aighttho \\
true
he has changed a bit since Pho days…but his system still relies too heavily on the 3 point shot and we don’t have the shooters for that right now. I have seen no adjustment or changes by dantoni in this aspect of the offense and we are shooting (and missing) waay to much from beyond the arc. He is a supposed “offensive genious” and he can’t come up with a better strategy??
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
I dispute that
I think we have the shooters. I think his system relies on rhythm and a very good point guard to run the pick and roll and get those shooters good, open, in rhythm shots. I think our shooters have not looked like shooters because they aren’t getting really good shots so far this year. And of course, they’re pressing, panicing, and deseperately in need of some real leadership on the floor.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
As Angel Cordero once said when he brought a favorite in dead last...
“I hit the horse, but the horse no go.”
I think MDA knows what Angel is talking about.
by I know smart people on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Good One!!
When I get in the game... win or lose... you know it's pretty much over.
by Hawthorne Nathaniel Wingo on Jan 24, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, look at the picture...
If D’Antoni… the coach… tells players to camp at the three point line so they can shoot a three, then that mean that it was Melo’s job to pass them the ball. It is not D"Antoni’s fault that his best player is blowing him off in front of his teammates, the Garden crowd, and the international viewing audience. It’s Melo’s fault. The play called for him to pass. He didn’t. Melo knew the coaches philosophy before he demanded the trade. You don’t ask someone to let you move in their house, then tell them the rules of the house don’t apply to them. I don’t hate Melo, I just know that his mindset limits his skills. Amare needs a pg to put the ball in his hands so he can score. Melo needs one to keep the ball out of his hands until its time to score. You can’t judge the offense based on number of championships. The triangle never won a championship… until it did. But bunches of teams played it before it won, and a bunch have played it since but never won. It wasn’t just the offense that won, it was the particular team running the offense that won. But your logic, Melo isn’t a great pro player because he never won a championship. I believe he’s a great pro-player that never played within a coaches system. Once he does, he’ll be a winner. Until then, he’ll be a scorer.
When I get in the game... win or lose... you know it's pretty much over.
by Hawthorne Nathaniel Wingo on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I meant "by your logic", not "but your logic"
When I get in the game... win or lose... you know it's pretty much over.
by Hawthorne Nathaniel Wingo on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
You know what is funny, When D'Antoni is fired
And Carmelo is still doing the same things, I wonder what the excuse will be then. What will this site be like when D’Antoni comes back in here next season probably as coach of the Wizards or the Kings and throws up 130 and runs the Knicks out of the fucking gym.
By the way there is a difference people between critique and hate. The Knicks struggle to score points because the man with the ball in his hands the most makes poor decisions with the ball in his hands. Not only is he not really heling team mates get shots but he is not even getting good shots for himself. Carmelo is playing hard, and he wants to win, but he has been playing some of the dumbest basketball I have seen in a while.
by Robert Curre on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
i agree
2 things…
i think he’s more banged up than he is letting on
and i think the pressure and attn he craved is getting to be too much for him. He thought he knew what the ny pressure cooker would be like because he came here to play once a year and spent a few months playing ball in red hook when he was 8.
Lets be clear, dude is more than a lil’ talented, but I think he needs to toughen up mentally.
I think alot of what we’re seeing from him is false bravado. I think he has what it takes, he def has the talent but again, alot of things besides melo need to come together before we’re successful.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 24, 2012 11:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
another thing about the Denver game
as seen from the above picture, the game was tied so why have everyone positioned at the three point line? He has three defenders coming at him, and he wants to shoot. Yes, i know it’s Melo and can hit that shot but he has players right open and all we need is one two point basket and we win. I don’t get it at all.
that's the offense right now tho...
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Melo can live with missing the last shot himself...
He just can’t live with other peoples failure. Passing that ball would have moved him miles along as the leader of the team. But what he did was slap to players direction in the face, and let the rest of the team know that he would do the same thing to them. To be a leader, he has to know that in the long run it’s better to show respect to his teammates and lose the game, than diss them and win. But dissing them and losing is bad… really bad…
When I get in the game... win or lose... you know it's pretty much over.
by Hawthorne Nathaniel Wingo on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Pass the fucking ball, and it is called floor spacing.
Fields was so open if he got a damn pass, he had enough time to drive right to the rim for a dunk. All of this why are people here or thers is silly folks. The point is he should have gotten the ball to another teammate. And I don’t think Melo could hit the shot. Somebody show me a stat where he shoots over 50% when triple teamed and I will say okay.
by Robert Curre on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
all the shit thats been said
or is being said or whatever… knicks gotta go and beat up on the bobcats now. its not ok to lose to them right now.
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The more I read this post
the more irritated I get…
I wonder if he has a yes men cadre like Lebron did. I wonder if someone can step up and say, ’HEY YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!"
But to defend Melo, it took even Kobe some years for Phil to drill it in his head that he has to work better at including his team.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
i'll be going to the game tonight
as Charlotte is only a few hours from my house. anybody want me to watch for anything? i know we are all in a state of misery right now but i’d be happy to keep an eye on anything yall want me to
What happened to Bibby?
The bottom line is and always will be is Melo is not a playmaker. In fact Melo needs a playmaker to make him better. When i say better i mean he will get better shot selections and wont have to force things like he feels he has to for some outer space reason.
Well, There is Only Me in Melo
Where’d all the Melo-lovers go on here? Ya’all are buggin now.
Look the Knicks have been violating Biggie’s Ten Crack Commandments.
Ok, first off, running the O thru Melo was like giving an unlimited supply of crack to a crackhead and telling him to be a drug dealer. Just was never and will never work.
Melo is all about getting his. Getting his points, getting his max money so we can’t add any quality bench players, getting his fame, getting his wife to the media capital of the world so she can pursue her career (which is what exactly?) and that means always being the man that gets the last shot with the game on the line.
So now, after a hideous 6 game losing streak, you all are just realizing this? Too bad.
You didn’t realize it from before the trade when he was being proclaimed as our savior?
You didn’t see it when he berated Toney Douglas on the court in a game right after the trade when he didn’t pass the ball back to Melo for the last second shot?
Man will pay lip service to wanting a better team, but his actions speak louder than his words. He don’t give a chit about getting his teammates more involved, he’s totally disrespected Amare from Day 1 (and Amare has let it all happen, like a biatche), and he’s going to do whatever he damn well wants to do on the court because he knows Mike D is a lame duck anyway.
A healthy Baron will help, in that any amount of time the ball is not in Melo’s hands is a good thing. But, Melo gonna be Melo, that’s the way it is and that’s the way it will be.
So no jumping off the Melo bandwagon now, it’s too late. He’s a Knick, so deal with it and shut up.
And yeah, that was Gallo dropping 37 on his headbanded noggin the other night. Our still only 23 yr old Gallo and Felton’s running the show real nice out in Portland. We added a Tyson Chandler and one other piece to our old Knicks crew, a tweak or two here and there, and we’d all have been in Knick heaven now, lockout or no lockout.
But, it is what it is now, so deal with it. It’s going to take a real coach with a strong personality and balls to force him to change, that’s the long-term hope now.

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