LOOK AWAY! If you hate improbable AWESOME trades that should happen.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 6:36 AM EST
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PrintThe money works out. My Knicks spirit has a 3rd degree sprain. I daydream of trades just for a moments hope. I genuinely believe the chemistry is inherently flawed (Melo/Stat/Tyson) and won't be resolved by time or more practices. It may get better, but a championship team it is not. This trade came to me in a flash. I needed to write this post just for that feeling of hope. It will aggravate some (and make you want to write righteous responses illustrating your wisdom and perspective), but for those of you who enjoy the discussion of trades/change... throw your dog into the fight.
ORLANDO GETS:
- Amare
- Ekpe Udoh
- Draft Pick from Golden State
GOLDEN STATE GETS:
- Toney Douglass
- Q. Richardson
KNICKS GET:
The money works. Orlando gets young players, good players and unloads bad contracts. GSW gets Tyson, young players and seasoned vets for Mark Jackson to work with. Knicks get Dwight, who fits better with Melo, D. Lee who is all team and a great passer/rebounder and we get 1 PG who knows the system, and 1 PG with real strong upside.
What y'all think/suggest.
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it had to happen...
just typing the obviously improbable trade felt better than thinking about tonights game.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
We're gonna get killed tonight.
No Melo and DWade makes his return. Watching the game with some whisky, straight up.
(P.S. I love your trade.)
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
no melo? maybe we do have a chance...
i have a feeling that guys really really want to prove that they play better when they play MDA’s way… which they can do when melo is not out there. i’m guessing we at least put up a good fight with melo out…
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
That is delusional
We have the worst guard rotation in the league right now. Partly because Melo-ball has been depressing everyone’s play, but mostly because we can only afford to fill the backcourt with rookie contracts and vets min signings because of his fat contract. Melo sitting on the sideline doesn’t change that fact and doesn’t raise the skill level of our guards. Remember the OKC game?
damn man... just let me hope that the addition by the melo subtraction...
will inspire something deep inside our below average roster that will give us at the very least a tiny chance.
buzzkill flossy… buzzkill
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry dude
Not against the defending Eastern Conference champs.
Buckets may have a point...
But this team has shown us NOTHING against quality opponents w/o Melo, damn even WITH Melo…Sigh.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
probably
someone is gonna have a career night against us…someone always does
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
u telling me...
a lineup of b.diddy/shump/melo/lee/howard isn’t more balanced, better rebounding with just as much if not more scoring? d. lee is more versatile and a better passer/rebounder than amare and dwight is dwight… and duhon knows the system and can be much more effective than freakin’ bibby and TD… with jenkins a possible future PG with shump.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Even before I make any trade the first thing I'm thinking of is getting a quality shooting guard to spread the floor
and keep the O from stagnating and add depth to the bench. If I’m going to go and trade Amar’e and Chandler, then I’m going all in and scrapping Melo along with them for said Shooting Guard and depth. As much as I liked CJ before the draft, he does nothing for me in this scenario for now. Even with shump now we have trouble keeping teams from lighting us up from the perimeter. Duhon? c’mon….
I'd hate to trade Amar'e and Chandler
but we’d win this trade easily. Golden State is getting hosed here.
by flossy on Jan 27, 2012 7:53 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i think mark jackson gets what he wants with this trade...
he gets his defense and toughness tyson, Q, TD. he get’s a great young shooter/rebounder to play the 4 in anderson… he breaks up the small backcourt by unloading monta and he gets a vet ball handler with size and shooting with hedo… to go along with his young backcourt of stephen and klay. it’s a much more competitive team.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
He's giving up all his scoring plus a draft pick in return for role players and Hedo's awful contract
by flossy on Jan 27, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Orlando's shooters score because teams pack the paint to stop Dwight
Nobody packs the paint to stop Chandler. And Steph Curry is not a drive and kick PG either. No offense works when the center can’t score on his own and everyone else just stands around chucking 3s.
I mean seriously
Curry, Klay, Hedo, Ryan… that team would attempt more 3s than 2s.
true... but so do we... they'll probably hit theirs.
and curry can definitely run the break, hit open guys and throw the oops to tyson. i think it’s a better lineup than what they currently have… sort of.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't
Adding Chandler to their current roster would have made their team pretty excellent. They’ve already got outside shooing (Curry, Klay) slashing (Ellis) and a good passing big man with an inside-out game (Lee). They need a defensive anchor, but not at the price of turning the rest of their team into jump shooters (who will not get open because they’ll have no offensive presence inside the 3 point line).
you're slowly convincing me that GSW get the short stick...
but it’s in the ballpark, and daydreaming about our lineup distracts me from the COLD COLD TRUTH of who we are right now.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Jax is about defense and winning...
with a lineup of curry, klay, dorrel, ryan and tyson, he’s got youth and plenty of offensive players with a deep bench of off/def vets (beidrins, TD, hedo, Q rich). i think Jax still hurts over losing tyson.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
This is a great trade for both teams.
Golden States gets center they want with a pf who is just as good if not better than david lee and with some good role players who play d.
Orlando get two superstars/all-stars. They will always be in contention. They also get a good young piece and a draft pick which could be used a good big. Draft is supposed to have a stockpile of great bigs.
The knicks get d12 and david lee. With 2 decent-good pgs. I say pull the trigger
Interesting
But I think Golden State’s giving up an awful lot there for a trade that doesn’t get them Howard.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Its a pretty cool trade
Probably one of the more “realistic” 3 team overhaul trades I’ve seen.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Jan 27, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions
This actually would kill Orlando
And make GS a playoff team. Knicks would also be considerably improved.
Monta Ellis is one of the most detrimental players to have on a team. He had literally one good year, which was 4 years ago, he dominates the ball, plays poor D, and will command a high salary because he scores many points. You can say many of the same things about Amare except that until this year he was very productive. He probably wouldn’t do very well with Monta Ellis.
I dunno about that...
Ellis had an excellent year last year and Stat is deferring to Melo this year, I think Stat still has a lot left in him. They’re gonna struggle defensively to an extent in this trade, but offensively they will be a problem.
I’d be happy as a clam if this happened. It won’t but man it sounds awesome.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 27, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I argue that Ellis wasn't excellent last year and Amar'e wouldn't play well with him
And offensively, they’d be horrible, just like the Knicks are.
with ellis' penetration and passing ability...
he and stat might form a pretty dominant pick and roll combo, and with reddicks outside shooting, i think it’d be a pretty formidable offense.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It wouldn't
He’s already on a similar team in GS and the offense is 14th. It was 12th last year. Wonder why? On a team with David Lee shooting super efficiently and numerous outside shooters?
If he was with Amar’e, he would dominate the ball the same as Carmelo, and Amar’e would not excel.
I didn't say I want him... but a team that HAS to unload it's all-star...
is going to want talent in return, and Monta is definitely talent. It might be as good as they can get, unless they think really highly of Bynum and aren’t worried about his health.
by bucketsncents on Jan 27, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
that's the thing, he's considered talent
and he’s talented, but unless stan van gundy changes his entire game, Orlando would be much worse after the trade
Orlando will be much worse after trading Dwight Howard
no matter what.
Not if they could somehow finagle a trade
like the Nuggets did at the last deadline.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
In this case it would be something like:
Greg Monroe, Brandon Knight, Tayshaun Prince, Jonas Jerebko, first round pick for Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson
Dude!
Played 80 games, 24 ppg, almost 6 assists per, 45% from the field, 2 steals per….I’m not saying the dude is the second coming of Kobe, I’m saying that’s a pretty good year. This year he’s at 7 assists per, he’s AIGHT son!
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 27, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
NO
He played almost 40 minutes a game and in a fast paced offense so his numbers were inflated. He shot inefficiently, doesn’t get to the line much, no D, dominated the ball. Many turnovers. Bad rebounding. He is why the Warriors seem to underachieve every year. He’s not as good as he is flashy.
haha actually a pretty decent trade
Only thing i can say is that warriors might not want Turkolu but who knows Mark Jackson likes him if i’m not mistaken. But I don’t think golden state would want that contract.
This may be an okay trade
But it makes my head spin for all the wrong reasons.
Don Nelson doesn’t coach anymore so goodbye 13 player trades.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions
you're taking this too literally.
Don Nelson was the guy who would flip a roster over in a trade. He did it numerous times.
Fact is, all of these trades are the same.
Superstar for a superstar. blah blah blah.
It’s like people only believe that a trade can happen for a superstar. That is all these ever seem to be. Superstar A for Superstar B. Then insert whatever salaries to match up.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think the issue is that people are frustrated by our superstars, and therefore are willing (wanting) to trade them.
Of course, if we are going to give up a superstar, we should get one too.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
STAT and Melo have played 47 games together
with a summer and lockout in between. 19 games total for the new frontline. Do you honestly think a trade is needed. If the team still sucks this time next season, after a normal summer and a full training camp, then maybe the discussion can get serious. Right now its really kneejerk shit, and the rest of the league is laughing.
by total hermination on Jan 28, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions
i just don't buy it...
denver had just as many changes, and look at them. miami last year started off slow, but not this awful. boston when they got their 3, meshed waaaayyyy faster.
there’s just something not right about this mix… we all see it… well, not all.
by bucketsncents on Jan 28, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention
that denver doesn’t have k-mart, chandler, or jr smith. The fact that they still are playing this well, are 8-10 deep, and are as offensively efficient as any team in the league is remarkable. karl is a very underrated coach
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I break s***, you only give hairline fractures
by LatrellSprewell on Jan 28, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I just think if you make changes now
D’Antoni has to go too, because honestly dude’s heart will probably explode as soon as the roster is overhauled again. It would be Mike Woodson’s ship to right for the remainder of this year, which is alot of pressure especially with the unpredictable Dolan ready to take another podium picture with Phil Jackson towering over him. You would have to assume that only Herb Williams would remain on staff too.
Like I said, this time next year, maybe even earlier, with a true point guard then maybe I’ll change my stance. If things work out…who knows, maybe I’ll do my first “I told you so” fanpost….sigh….man, that lockout isn’t looking so bad right now.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Uh 47 games should be plenty
this is basketball, not rocket science. And these guys get paid $20 million each.
agreed... almost as annoying as the play of our knicks...
are the continued excuses.
“not enough practice time”…. same as every other team
“too many games, too many nights”… same as every other team
“too much player turnover”… same as many other teams
“injuries”… same as most other teams
“no PG”… the only reasonable complaint, but still, no excuse for the lack of effort, intensity and heart we’re showing.
by bucketsncents on Jan 29, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
The problem for Stat and Melo is...
…Tyson Chandler, he just doesnt fit, in the offensively oriented team you have a center that is handicaped in the offense at least, no pass, no jumper, doesnt draw the attention of the opponents. Imagine Tyson even with Steve Nash, would he hit some shots? I dont think so… He is maybe ok center, but with right team as Dallas.
gotta ardently disagree...
tyson is the least of our problems. he knows his role, doesn’t want/need the ball, does all the stuff melo and stat can’t, don’t want or suck at doing. yeah, he takes up space, but he’s all team, while melo and stat are having “sit downs” to figure out how they can share more nicely.
tyson is fine right where he is… melo and stat need the fixin’.
by bucketsncents on Jan 29, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
And instead of sitting down to see how they can share the ball with eachother
How bout sitting down with the team to see how they can share the ball better
Well
if we had a center that can actualy hit some jumpers from the post then Amar’e will have his 1 on 1 situations where he is unstopable, right now there are always 2 players(PF and C) closing down Amar’e, coz they dont care about Chandler. He is one of the most overrated centers in the history of NBA, i mean, you have center that cant play offense? How great is that? And to be more precise, he is 10 and 10 center, whats so special about that? Team spirit? C’mon… And he is payed 14 mil a year for 10 and 10? Dunno, maybe its just me…
Now list how many are better and why
I would’ve agreed with you last year til I saw what not having a center did to our team. Who on this team gets them the ball in the right place anyway? We know Amar’e with the ball in his hands for more than a second or two is a disaster. Guys collapse on Amar’e for a reason and it’s not Chandler. It was the same effective tactic when we didn’t have a center.
Hmmm
100% of the people here say " where is Amar’e from last season", and " we cant trade Amar’e after all he did last season". So, “We know Amar’e with the ball in his hands for more than a second or two is a disaster”? You reffer to last year or current Amar’e? For current Amar’e i tried to give explanation… Tyson Chandler cant play offense, he is arguably the worst center in the NBA offensively. And people say he is great? Do you know how much space will open for Amar’e if he had a center that can actualy do something in the offense? Chandler is handicaped in the offense and that makes him great center? With career average of 10 and 10? So i dont have to list, just see how many centers in the NBA have better stat’s then 10 and 10. For me, Tyson Chandler is the insult to the game, i mean, basketball is about offense and defense together, no? Arguably, the NYK have the only center in the NBA that cant hit a 5 ft jumper, like ever? And that makes him one of the best centers in the league?
i guess dallas over-stated his importance...
on their way to a championship which they ALL SAY they wouldn’t have won without Tyson.
by bucketsncents on Jan 30, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, i saw this comming...again...
then bring Kidd, Dirk, Marion, J Terry, D Stevenson etc etc to New York…. Chandler was a perfect fit for Dallas and that roster ONLY! No wonder he was traded out of every team he had played for so far… If Knicks have 4 offensive beasts in the starting line up then its ok, but we dont, we barely have 2(Melo+Stat)…
dirk... weak on D and rebounding and strong on shooting and PnR game...
just like amare. tyson and amare should be a perfect pair, and I think can be… it’s the melo/stat thing that’s confounding everyone.
tyson is all team all the time with clear and considerable strengths… this is a guy you want on your team always, especially when his strenghts are the rest of your teams weaknesses.
by bucketsncents on Jan 30, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
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