Rockets 97, Knicks 84: "If you can't have quality, go with quantity."
by Seth on Jan 28, 2012 11:12 PM EST
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PrintTonight's headline actually comes from Twitter (a popular social networking site), where I thought @Ms_Mambo summed things up pretty well. The Knicks came out decently-- the defensive rotations were sharp, and they made up for bad shooting by taking care of the ball and getting bunches of second-chance opportunities. Tyson Chandler and Amar'e Stoudemire both got going offensively, and even received a few nice, easy looks from penetrating Knick guards.
The wheels started to wobble in the second quarter and third quarters. Knick guards began to commit one turnover after another, allowing the Rockets to get buckets in transition. New York briefly looked re-engaged in the third quarter, but the Rockets jolted back ahead and took a nine-point lead with eight minutes remaining in the period. Mike D'Antoni, displaying some combination of fourth-game-in-five-nights practicality and sheer reckless abandon, let out the stops and just went with quantity, digging deep early and letting his end-of-benchers handle the final quarter and change. It went really well, aside from the fact that the scorekeepers were still keeping score and stuff.
Take the jump for a bit more.
- Toney Douglas really did make some nice passes early, penetrating off the dribble and either wheeling under the rim or drifting aside to dump the ball off for Chandler. As the game progressed, though, the usual ineptitude of he, Iman Shumpert, and Mike Bibby was palpable (especially in a lineup that saw all three on the floor at the same time)! So D'Antoni threw up his hands and put Jeremy Lin in the game and Lin was...well, good isn't the right word, but he certainly wasn't any worse than Douglas or Shump at running the point. He got into the paint pretty easily, made some nice, clean passes (6 assists), missed a bunch of shots, and committed 3 turnovers. Very Toney-esque, in fact!
- Keep doing what you do, Tyson Chandler, even when what you do sometimes includes dribbling coast-to-coast as time winds down in the quarter, slipping on Samuel Dalembert's foot, then getting embarrassed and screaming until you draw a technical.
- Amar'e Stoudemire, for the second or third game in a row, did a pretty nice job of scoring in spite of getting very few easy looks. His jumper is looking a bit swishier than usual (though there are still the occasional hideous bricks) and he had a few swift blow-bys that ended in finishes at or near the rim. Nice job chasing his own misses in the first half, too.
- Bill Walker got the start and used that opportunity to travel a lot, brick jumpers, and commit some absolutely unforgivable fouls. A-plus!
- Jared Jeffries hit a corner three in the second quarter. Somewhere in the in the middle of the Sahara, a parched fennec fox kit stumbled through the scorching sand in search of water, only to be plucked from the sky by a voracious owl.
- Clyde was on fire in this game. Luis Scola = "Scioscia" (?) and Chase Budinger = "Barringer" (?).
- Speaking of names, I assume that chandler parsons are clergymen who also make and sell candles? I imagine they'd live in the Landry fields.
- Garbage time, also known as the entire fourth quarter, had a few excellent moments. First of all, Renaldo Balkman and Jerome Jordan both got to spin with Lin and Steve Novak. That's a win right there. My favorite play, I think, was when Lin tossed Balkman a high but not totally unreachable alley-oop pass in transition and Humpty looked at it, was just like "Nahhh, I don't want to get that", and let it sail out of bounds. AWESOME. Also awesome was when Steve Novak fell to his knees on defense, then stood up while Jeff Adrien was trying to dunk over him. Somehow, this didn't end in a career-ending injury for anyone involved.
- Nice job, Jordan Hill! Happy to see the former Knick pick coming along a bit. He's an inconsistent player, but that mid-range game looks sharp and he's much sturdier around the basket than he used to be.
That's all I've got. The Knicks, once again, didn't have much of a chance to compete in this game, and D'Antoni pretty much threw in the towel when the Rockets ran ahead in the third quarter. Hopefully, Melo (and Baron Davis maybe??) is ready to return and get back on his game come Tuesday.
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indeed
next wknd instead of watching the game, I might just go find an old rusty bear trap to go play with.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 28, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nail on the head
the worst of the worst teams from the late 90’s, whole 2000’s didn’t cause me to shut the TV(or in this case the computer link) off. i pride myself on watching my teams games til the end – no matter how bad it looks. no tonight.
what makes it worse is that you don’t understand why we suck so bad. good players missing wide open shots…..at this point, all you can do is smh….
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you know
I thought that might be what our plan was.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 28, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
It's unreal how blond Buddinger is!
he’s as blond as Novak is white. I fully believe his hair is made of gold spun by magical elves.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 28, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions
hmmm
so maybe Paula Deen is responsible for his magical tresses?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 28, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I keep going back to how happy I was when we beat the Celtics on Christmas....
Can we please make that happen more??? It’ll feel like….. Christmas!
that seems like decades ago
I even recorded it since my xmas celebrations carried over into the afternoon, then turned off my phone so friends wouldn’t update.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
whatever
If we don’t win by fifty on tuesday I officially quit. This past 6 months has been madness. First mike comes to be about the family, then lockout, then I gotta start to pretend coaching, they take away humpty in the 4th from our chat…..punches brother.
by Dan D'antoni on Jan 28, 2012 11:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
stuff
Wife,kids, personal and sore topics in the dantoni family. I’m not at liberty to discuss it seth. Mike would kill me I swer. Anything but the game they call ball in the basket. Oh its dreadfull!
by Dan D'antoni on Jan 28, 2012 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he give you some weed for your nerves?
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and some Marley
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where does he get his weed? Do you also partake? I bet you do. You DO dont you?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 28, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
lets put it this way
It comes from someone on the team…you guess who because I can’t tell you.
Anyone know where dolan is ? I’m considering quitting right now.I know, take the hit for mike….
by Dan D'antoni on Jan 28, 2012 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my guess is one William Walker
If not I’ll say Landry, he seems like one of those closet potheads that doesn’t need anyone to know he partakes, and it explains the cerebral nature of his personality/game.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
my guess is melo
walker was doing it prior, but when melo got here he literally took over everything.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
This is most excellent.
We hope you’ll stick around and give us occasional juicy tidbits from the mouth of you brother (Pause).
Why are mosquitoes hatching in our offense?
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 29, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
At least this game Stat had 50% shooting and only 1 TO
maybe we can build on that and then throw melo into the mix…then maybe we’ll start looking better.
we alwaays look better
We just simply can’t close out games. Its like where the wizards or something
by Dan D'antoni on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm willing
To trade any member of the Knicks at this point, just to get this team going. Nobody is off limits
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Trade TD, Shumpert, Landy, Walker, Novak and 5 first round picks for Peyton Manning.
Convert Manning into a PG and have him lob full court passes to Chandler and Amare.
Let Manning audible his own plays on the court.
????
Profit
I'd trade four of those five (minus the five picks, I'll include two)
To Atlanta for Josh Smith, Tracy McGrady, Kirk Hinrich and Jerry Stackhouse
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 28, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wilt Chamberlin in his prime
Could not turn this team around. Nor will Davis. That bench needs an exorcism of sorts.
bottom line
We need to scare teams. Be scary! Everyone! Even you lin! We must instill fear that temas feel when they play the cheat or fakers. Cmon! Scare the pistons. We need 1 scary new york knickerbocker team! This concludes my tirade and good night gentlemen!
by Dan D'antoni on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I nominate Toney Douglas to stab someone
That’ll scare players and it gets rid of Toney Douglas for a while. WIN-WIN!
You can always see all Knicks post-game interviews on . . .
Their official NBA.com website:
by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 29, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
So far
we have only beat one team that’s currently over .500 — Philly, whom we beat when they were playing their 3rd game in a back-to-back-to-back.
Yes, but on the other hand
We are helping quite a few teams get to .500.
It's fun to fantasize about last year's team with Chandler starting instead of Mozgov.
Everything else I have to say would be beating a dead horse at this point.
How long can they maintain this?
No, seriously. At this point, I just want the top 5 pick.
Not going to happen
Amazingly, there are more than a handful of teams worse than the Knicks
(which goes to show you how necessary contraction is).
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Jeffries was 2-3 tonight for 5 points.
Fun Fact: Jeffries has already made more threes this year than he did all of last year!
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he probably has more minutes too
definitely more minutes than before he came back to us
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When I saw a line up of Lin, Novak, Balkman, Jordan, and Chandler on the floor in the 4th, I had a momentus realization.
Mike D’Antoni is not a bad coach, he’s just in a real fucked up position. This man has a game plan that is predicated on the abilities of the point guard to run the offense and during his stay, he’s had to work with Felton, Billups, Douglas, Duhon, and now Shumpert.
Duhon was eh, Douglas can’t do a simple pick and roll without turning it over, Shump is a raw rookie who isn’t a true point, we got half a season of Billups trying to learn our offense before he was amnestied, and quite possibly the best of the bunch, Felton, was a part of the move to bring Melo here.
This is not a get out of jail free card for him…but something I’ve finally noticed. We knew what kind of offense he ran when we signed him to be our coach; you’d think they’d make the most important piece of the machine a priority instead of looking for patch-work substitutes.
Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".
dude...yes
He hand picked Duhon when he got the job, and it was a disaster. Since then its been a revolving door. I mean, other than Felton’s brief stint, when was the last time the Knicks even had a legitimate point guard that fit and made things work for the squad as constructed? Derek Harper? Childs? Ward? And no, i’m not considering Marbury at all. If this is really how D’Antoni can succeed, why on earth would you have taken this job?
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
He hand picked duhon from a pile of turds. There weren’t too many available options at the time. I still think duhon was the best turd available at the time.
D’Antoni did make the duhon/lee p and r a pretty decent option. That in and of itself is pretty impressive.
I feel like d’Antoni is the point guard whisperer
by ben linus on Jan 29, 2012 10:29 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
choosing the knicks over chicago
has to be one of the biggest regrets any person could have ever for anything.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
i think the Knicks priority for the past half a decade
was to be in a good place cap wise when a certain no. 23 became a FA. He was going to be the chosen one to run D’an’s wonderful 7 seconds or less O.
t’aint working out so well it seems.
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you just now noticed?
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I will trade you Nash Lopez and Brown for Amare
How about it?
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Assuming we'd be able to extend Nash
I might actually take that trade, though it would hurt to see Amare go after all he did last year.
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by bluecheese999 on Jan 29, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
yeah they'll take Amar'e's 60 million
after low balling him in the first place. Not to mention the uninsurable contract. He’s a Knick for the long haul, face it.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Well it's looking like a good move on the Suns part so far
but I’m one of the few Suns fans who thought we should have gave him max, and the Suns are terrible the year (7-12) so we need a trade.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
you're kidding yourself
if you think Nash and STAT wouldn’t still be killing it together right now. He’s making Gortat look like an all-star….GORTAT.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Gorat is an all-star
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
No seriously
Gortat is pretty good
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
No
Because this NBA 2k mode banter is totally inane. But I would trade D’antoni in for a sweet used Honda Civic with onstar. Pretty sure the OnStar combined with Siri could coach this team better at this point.
D'Antoni just needs Steve Nash, and a 9 man rotation that can run
and you’ve got 50+ wins.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I don't know D'Antoni was a good coach on the Suns...
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
You mean Steve Nash was a good PG while MDA coached there
There is a reason the Sun’s said goodbye to D’antoni
Because he didn't develop rookies and only played 9 guys tiring Nash and Hill down, and injuring Amare
plus he didn’t want Tom Thibodeau as an assistant because he was too defensive orientated.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
We won a lot of games.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
But we suck this year
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
Nash is 26
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
by Suns R Us on Jan 29, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you're a dreamer huh
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Amar'e was rookie of the year
he also developed Barbosa and Diaw if i’m not mistaken. He plays rookies. I think Kerr and him had beef for various reasons, the defense thing probably being a contributor.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Barbosa had been in his sophomore year coming off a good season as a rookie when D'Antoni was hired
So he wasn’t really developed, nor was Diaw, who was also in his second year coming to Phoenix. But the Suns had a chance to have Rondo, Deng, and Rudy Fernandez who D’Antoni (when he was GM) traded for cash because he claimed he didn’t have time to develop rookies when he was trying to win a championship.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
it's hard to talk to someone who is biased against MDA.
People who knock on D’Antoni don’t realize that this team would suck no matter who was coaching. Marion hasn’t made an all-star game since he left Phoenix where he was putting up 22 and 9 or where is Diaw, Bell and the others? They aren’t doing as good as they were in Phoenix and that’s because the system of D’Antoni brings the best out of players.
totally agree with your subject line
by ben linus on Jan 29, 2012 10:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree with the subject line too
But that doesn’t mean that you can’t be critical of MDA. And it’s equally hard to talk to someone who is so biased against the team to think that D’Antoni should be immune to criticism.
This team has structural problems that are not D’Antoni’s fault. But I do think this team is capable of being .500. For that to happen though, they have to stop treating contested 3s from 25’ out as Plan A and run a proper half-court set; they have to get Stoudemire involved in the offense; and they have to show up to play for both halves of every game. Those are things that a head coach can affect, and would help us get the best out of our flawed roster. So far, D’Antoni has not been doing that.
by sisterray24 on Jan 29, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree fully
There is no reason this team should be 8-13 at this point. even without the training camp, we have played many sorry teams and should have won. I didn’t even see an effort from the stars during those losses. We allowed a sorry Phoenix team to come in here and treated them as if they were superior. This same Phoenix team had gotten blown out the previous game by the Bulls who were without Rose or Deng. We had a day off and still lost. Then came Denver who were on a back-to-back and we allowed them to win when they had been on a road trip.
There several games which they should have won even without having a preseason. There is plenty of blame to go around but I don’t think firing MDA would be the solution, and I think it would actually be a disaster because Stat loves the MDA system. How many coaches have we gone through over the years and after a while one has to come to reality that it’s not the coaches but the ownership.
A reasonable coach would have this team in the playoffs
And wouldn’t be injuring all the players by overplaying them as well.
not true. Nash was a good point guard but not MVP in Dallas
It was the system that MDA brought which brought the best out of him. I don’t exactly see Diaw being so good anymore since he left Phoenix and Marion was an all-star with Suns. Barbosa, etc aren’t doing exactly what they were doing in Phoenix. Felton is no longer averaging 18 and 9 and there is a reason for that. It’s the system which brings the best out of players. MDA left Phoenix because of Steve Kerr who later quit himself after screwing the team up. That sorry team we had when MDA first got here was running this system very decently. They weren’t winning much but they were scoring efficiently with Duhon running the show. If we didn’t trade ZBO and Crawford away to save money for Lebron, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. The Knicks were winning with that team until they were traded and we were left with Duhon, Richardson, etc.
I've said this so many times
It doesn’t matter if a system is running well, if its losing, its losing. MDA is a loser who was held aloft by the MVP play of Nash, Stat and co. He has a winning team right now, basically a poormans Miami Heat from last year, and he can’t win to save his life (job) right now.
Not to mention he’s getting everyone injured by playing them extended minutes. Can’t wait to see Stat and Chandler break down — it will happen and soon.
to suggest that this team
is a poormans MIami heat from last year highlights a lack of understanding of basketball.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Jan 29, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
We are a homeless, crack-addicted whore’s Miami Heat from last year.
great description!
vivacious imagery.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 29, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
A poor man's Miami Heat, you're funny
I guess it’s true that we have all the drawbacks of a team with all of its cap spent on three player, namely subpar starters at 2 positions and a D-league bench.
But instead of the best player in the world, and another of the top 5, both of whom are dominant 2-way players and excel at making their teammates better, along with a 3rd wheel who averaged 24 and 10 as the 1st option on his own team… we have two of the most overhyped, one-dimensional scorers in the league, who make their teammates worse, don’t play D and can’t even play well with each other, complimented by a $14m role player who takes 5 FGA per game.
If you think the two teams are in any way comparable, or that the flaws of the Knicks roster wouldn’t ruin any other coach, you frankly don’t know shit about basketball, sorry.
Denver is due west buddy
You can get all the Italian Above-average roasted nuts you can get on that court.
Melo, Chandler and Amare are world class players. Fields is pretty good too. TD used to be good? Bibby is a great backup PG in a good system. This team has talent and the potential win — a potential that is squandered by a system that requires 25-40 3 point attempts regardless of any ability to make those shots.
Please, get that weak shit out of here
Denver is thatta way? Melo, Chandler and Amar’e are ‘world class’ compared to the Heat and Bibby is a ‘great’ back up PG? Your ignorance is off the fuckin’ charts.
It’s amazing how such “world class” players can manage to suck their way to a 7-13 record, and gee, it’s all because of a coach who has taken teams to the conference finals and put together a winning record the one year the Knicks FO ever gave him a half decent team. I guess Steve Nash should get the credit for all of D’Antoni’s successes, right? He’s why the Suns are still a perennial playoff beast, right? It’s too bad our moron of a coach has screwed-up what should be idiot-proof, coaching 3 “world class!!!” players with super awesome bench players like Mike Bibby!
To add, it has nothing to do with the lack of practicing and preseason, right?
The Heat struggled a lot at times last year, especially to start the season. The reason they were able to still win is because Lebron and Wade can create their own shots almost anytime, and Spoelstra runs a bunch of complicated plays to free them or Bosh up. MDA didn’t have the time to work on any of that, and frankly, coming into the season, having this much trouble scoring and knocking down open shots was not the question mark – defense was, even with the addition of Chandler. So they worked on D. And the only player on the Knicks who can create his own shot consistently is Melo, who is being asked to be a point forward too. This team just needs patience, it’s not like you can put 5 guys together and expect them to play perfectly right away like in video games.
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The Heat never struggled like this
and you have got to be kidding me with “Spoelstra runs a bunch of complicated plays to free them or Bosh up.” The Heat’s offense was and is mostly ISOs for one or the other.
Struggle? The Heat made the NBA Finals in their first season together, and barring a Baron Davis-related miracle it’s looking like it’ll be lucky if the Knicks snag a low playoff seed, if that.
It’s not a question of patience, is a matter of the fact that the Heat’s big three are a lot better than ours. I repeat, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are a LOT better than Amar’e/Melo/Chandler. And that makes all the difference in the world when you build a team by giving 3 players all the available salary. The Knicks could practice every day for a year and never be as good as Miami because we copied their model but blew our wad on overrated, 2nd-tier ‘stars.’
They did struggle at times, but they are so good they could still win
so I am agreeing that they are better. And they do run a lot of complicated plays. They have plenty of staggered screens, double action plays going on all game
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We don't need patience for guys to start putting the ball in the basket?
7 of our losses have been 10 points or less. I am not going to dissect each one, but our shooting % was probably terrible in most of them, because it has been all season. Last year our effective FG% was 51.3, this year it is down to 45.9 with many of the same guys. That won’t stay like that all year long, that is what I mean we need patience with
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The team is underperforming, yes
But without major changes to the roster, their ceiling is very low. It will take major improvement just to get to mediocre, and the mismatch of core players will mean they’re probably always going to be less than the sum of their parts. I don’t anticipate ever sniffing a team eFG% with roster that has no PG and is predicated mainly on ISOs.
would you guys really do that without getting anyone to replace Nash first?
I don’t like the trade but I am curious.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 29, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like Lin got some positive burn
I didn’t watch the game which seems to have saved me some grief. However the box score shows Lin leading the team with 6 assists and not totally abysmal shooting so maybe we’ve got something there?
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
perhaps
I just find is depressing that we’re looking to turn our season around with guys like Novak, Lin, and BDiddy who were all cut or amnestied and signed to cheap ass 1 year deals.
by total hermination on Jan 29, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
well
these players have good potential, just hasn’t been able to be given an opportunity to show that they do (except BDiddy).
Novak and Lin can develop well for the knicks if only they can give them more non-garbage minutes!
sorry for the double post
but take minutes off Bibby and maybe Jeffries and give these guys a chance!
I watched Moneyball last night
which by the way is just an incredible movie. Talent evaluation and chemistry and production are not easy things to assess. Lots of guys slip through the cracks or are mis-projected by the so called experts for any of a number of reasons. Right now we need a point guard in the worst way and to me it looks like there is only one guy on our active roster who might be able to get the job done. It does not bother me in the least that Lin was cut by Golden State and it shouldn’t bother you either. Hopefully the guy gets more of a chance to show his stuff. I think he will work out.
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
It is now one of my favorite alltime movies
I liked it so much I watched it twice. In some ways Art Howe the stubborn manager of the Oakland A’s of 2002 reminds me of D’Antoni. As manager, Howe had final say on the lineup card, and refused to use many of the guys that general manager Billy Bean (Brad Pitt) brought in.
I see evidence of similar stubbornness in D’Antoni. Trying to turn the unfortunate DWTDD into a point guard while a cat quick Harvard graduate point guard barely gets to sniff the floor shows pig headed obstinacy, It’s almost to the point where D’Antoni might not want Lin to comes in and succeed. I hope I am wrong.
Anyway, great movie. I am sure you will love it.
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
this
plenty of players have been cut before and used that as motivation to get even better or found themselves on a team where they can succeed. Lin just needs to be able to find Amare and I will be happy with him out there more. After the first quarter, he was my highlight of the game
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it was hard for me to see on my streaming website clearly
but it seemed like offensively he was decisive. made a decision, went with it, for better or worse. but he has court vision, that i could tell. also, i don’t know how nervous he was, but he missed some point blank shots.
look, at this point, could we do worse with him in the rotation? or do we have to continue to watch DWTDD brick a shot, or underhand a ball right to a defender, cock his head and clap his hands once until we are spewing puke from all orafices?
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i cant wait
for tuesday, when our season really is supposed to start.
by lets go buffalo on Jan 29, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm nervous
Let’s hope Baron doesn’t disappoint us and is as amusing as his website portrays him.
those 10 minutes Baron plays will be huge
the 38 Lin plays, while putting up 10 dimes will be nice too!
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it was an expirement on a night where no shots were falling
He did okay for someone who hasn’t played much and seemed a little nervous but he would get better if he played more. I think MDA did it more to rest his guys and they weren’t making open shots. If it wasn’t for Amare and Tyson in the first half, this game would have been a blow out from the start.
damn fucking hostessing job
I always wanna Post and/or Toast but CANNOT
UGH SOME1 TELL ME ABT TY’S POSTGAME PLZ
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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anyone remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAsRQfO8lY
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha, I think I might have missed this beauty.
hilarious.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 29, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
It was upsetting to hear, and then read on espn/knicksblog afterwards
just how little respect Lin got. The line being repeated was ‘In a sign of how bad things have gotten, MDA has surprised everyone by going with Jeremy Lin all this time." His 20 minutes were way more productive than TD’s 27, and Bibby’s 9, and even Shump’s 28, and comparable to what all 3 managed to produce combined. 6 dimes, 9 points (thanks to getting to the line, his 3-9 performance was meh), 3 boards and a steal is a nice game. I am not trying to get on his nuts and peg him as the answer or that good, I understand it is a SSS, I just hope he earned more non-garbage minutes in MDA’s eyes to see what he can do. We know what the other guys can do this season, if nothing else playing him should light a fire under their asses (I am looking at you TD) to get their shit together ASAP or find themselves the next Nate Robinson
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
I think DWTDD has been playing out of position
and that more than anything else has contributed to his shitty play so far this season.
Dump Melo
If that doesn't work dump Pringles
i agree.
I think TD is more suited as a scoring guard who doesn’t have to run an offense. kinda like a Jason terry but a cheaper version. He can definitely score and we seen him put up a lot of points last year and he has scored decent amount in a few games this year as well, but not consistent and I believe playing the pg position has messed him up more than anything. We need a Baron to get healthy to where he can run the offense for most of the game and TD can focus on scoring and defense. Same thing with Shumpert who is quick and has decent handles but too young for a starting pg gig. He would be better as a scorer who plays good defense and can occasionally run the offense for a few minutes.
given his height and explosiveness
Shump should become a fine PG. He just needs to work on passing and a consistent outside shot to keep his defenders honest
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
they are stupid. I don't even listen to them
He couldn’t get anything out of Fields, walker, etc, so he tried something different. It didn’t work but it was worth a try and gave the other guys a rest. Let’s face it, those open shots they were missing were bricking off the rim very ugly. Nobody was making shots except amare and tyson working around the basket. This is not the coach’s fault but players can’t make shots and no real point guard that can run an offense. Chandler could be averaging well above his career ppg if he had a good point guard with him. If scrubs like Diaw could look decent in MDA system, imagine what it could do for Chandler who we know is not a scrub. This is where Baron should help because he was able to make JJ Hickson, Gee and other scrubs look like stars. We have the right coach and good system but the players are not making the shots.
Could change when Baron does get back and maybe the shots will start going in as they play more games. The way they’re missing the open shots right now, it’s almost unheard of. It’s one thing to have a bad game sometimes, but they shoot horribly in every game and this can’t continue like that. Many of those shots are open looks that just won’t fall. These are NBA players and they gotta make the open shots.
you ain't been saying nothing I ain't been saying also
my main frustration is that we just waiting for Boom to come and save us instead of playing Lin more or acquiring a more experienced and capable PG who is already healthy.
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who is this available capable pg u speak of?
And how do we get him?
by ben linus on Jan 29, 2012 10:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Devon Williams is likely available via trade, though the price tag turns people off
I would give Arroyo or Arenas a shot over TD at this point, hell I would even give Boykins a shot. It just seems clear that the current players being run out there cannot play or run a point, and though I don’t want to get rid of TD and am far from giving up on Iman, we should be willing to explore other possibilities
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To call
Douglas a point guard is blasphemous. Drive in the lane, have no clue what you’re doing, throw it in the post and hope chandler gets it is not point guardesqye….i really hope baron can fix this because if he doesn’t I have no excuses.I’ve tried to be reasonable and say we just need a point guard but at some point you have five guys on the floor that are basketball players and it is not that hard to give a7 footer a pass when he its open but they constantly miss him. Its so frustrating watching the team and literally thinking that if I was like 6 3 I would be better than the’ point guards’ we have now. You don’t have to be a great passer to make simple plays to the open man…i don’t understand why the team can’t just make a simple basketball play. Please baron save this team!
by Kupe on Jan 29, 2012 3:43 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I might be drunk right now but I think I would still play better than half the team on the floor tonight
by Kupe on Jan 29, 2012 3:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mike D'antoni needs to be fired
plain and simple. This is not the team for that run and gun nonsense he likes to play. This is a halfcourt team that should be playing inside out. No way in hell are they this bad. This disgrace is ALL on the head coach, his system dictates that if you have an open shot, take it. They shot 43 3 pointers in the game prior to this one, that is just insane. Get rid of D’antoni and let Woodson take over for the rest of the year and then see what happens at years end.
Woodson wasn't that good in Atlanta, remember?
by ben linus on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
so your plan
is to take a coach you think is unsuccessful and has no hope and replace him with a coach who was fired because he was even more unsuccessful and hope that he inspires hope.
Sure. What can go wrong with that plan?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 29, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Defense has been at least mediocre
Which is more than can be said about the offense. Who cares if Woodson didn’t win in Atlanta? D’antoni has had a winning record in NY EVER.
42-40 or whatever it was. Yeah that counts...
If you want to be nitpicky. What was the playoff record again?
Can’t wait for D’antoni to disappear and along with him his irrational defenders.
That team got traded before it reached the playoffs
The one with your “world class” players had it’s doors blown off by the Celtics, if I recall.
I dont agree with erniesto at all
but if we’re gonna be entirely accurate, the non “world class” team also never beat the celts.
revisionist history works both ways.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 29, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but that was a gimmick team glutted with garbage role players
I mean, yeah I know what you’re saying. But I think it’s never valid to point to the failure of the pre-trade team to do X in order to justify the shittyness of the post-trade team, because the whole point of the trade was that replacing most of the team with Melo and Billups would kick the awesome up to 11.
I love your posts
It is a thing of beauty to behold how they fall to pieces despite your best efforts at revisionism
No what is irrational is to think that a career below .500 coach
That is what Woodson is would do a better job coaching the team right now. Afterall what would Woodson’s offense be, give the ball to Carmelo on the elbow and let him Iso and shoot as much as he wants. This team already leads the league in isos and the only guy shooting more than Carmelo is Kobe! So what would Woodson Do? I get it, Phil Jackson sure he has been coming to coach the Knicks for a damn decade now. By the way the triangle offense basically breaks down to throw the ball to Melo and let him iso. The triangle works great when you have Jordan and Kobe, but guess what Carmelo is not as good as Jordan and Kobe, so it will not work either!
by Robert Curre on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
How did this get so bad
I said in the beginning of the season that I’d give the team until mid-February, so that’s how long I’m going to give them. No calling for firings, no trade talk until then. But my god, this is painful to watch.
The season starts next game though. They better start playing with some fire or the Knicks are going to miss the playoffs.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
another loss another day,
another day another loss. And that is all there is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If it was'nt for the Giants
I’d probably have a drinking problem by now. Please for the love of god, put D’antoni out of his misery.
Lin looked like a PG...
end of story. He penetrated and made smart passes. A little jittery, but he probed the defense. That’s all we can ask. Probe the D, get the D collapsing and moving, and shit opens up. Start the kid I say, really. He’s the only PG on the team. And he actually plays good man to man D.
Lets get Lin some more time
This dude is fearless.. he gets to the rim at least – something NO OTHER GUARD DOES on the knicks. I know he’s a d-league player but hes the only guard on the squad with the ability to finish at the rim and HAVE A CHANCE at running the pick and roll.
Play Lin...FIre Pringles
this guy has to go….wrong personnel wrong offensive schemes….that or start Dan D’Antoni at the point..we’ve got nothing else to lose…this Nada-Djokovic match is insane BTW
''Why would I want to help them win a title? They're not doing anything for me. I'm at risk. I have a lot of risk here. I got my family to feed.'' -LS the REAL#8
People say what can we do, they're just missing open shots...
but shooting is rhythm and mechanics. It’s the job of the point guard to get shooters the ball in rhythm and at the right time and placement. Having to grab a low pass, or snag one wide left or right, or catch it when you’re not expecting it in an area of the court you’re not effective from reduces the chance of making a shot dramatically. Turns a 40% shooter into a 30% shooter. So while I do get down on Pringles for being lax on the defensive side, you really can’t overestimate the effect a competent point guard would have on the offense.
I agree that D'antoni can be pretty inflexible
And needs to find SOME way to adapt to what he’s got. I think he’s a terrible in-game coach. If he can’t get this team playing at LEAST .500 ball when baron comes back, then there’s a real problem. But seriously, he had last year’s pre-team trade playing pretty exciting ball, maximizing the talent he had and exploiting mismatches. He got screwed when that trade happened (and so did the rest of us).
Basically it’s a perfect storm of awfulness. Even when melo’s out, the culturen of iso basketball is just killing this team. It’s complete anathema to how d’antoni likes to operate, but pringles just doesn’t seem to have the wherewithal or drive to override melo.
So according to the internet, Baron probably isn't coming back
“for another week or two.”
43 three pointers in a single game, with no 3 point shooters.
Just circulate that in your mind
MDA will leave NY
if Baron is a giant failure
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Jan 29, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fields - 39% from 3 last year
Walker – 39% from 3 for his career
Bibby – 44% from 3 for his career
Novak – 44% from 3 for his career
Douglas – 41% from 3 for his career
But we have no 3 point shooters.
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
With the lineup we have how else do you expect to get points???
Melo’s out and isn’t hitting his shot when he is playing.
Stat doesn’t have a PG to get him consistent PnR opportunities. Plus he has 3 defenders on him as soon as he touches the ball.
Tyson can’t score from more than 3 feet away from the basket
Landry has been inconsistent to say the least.
TD can’t make a shot or drive consistently.
Shump has missed more dunks than he’s made, consistently misses lay up, and has no outside shot to speak of.
Bibby hit’s a three once in a while.
You’ve made it obvious (repeatedly) that you hate D’Antoni but at the end of the day he can’t make these guys make shots. They have to execute. Without a Point guard the lineup is critically flawed. Until Baron comes back and plays well we’re going to have to get used to a lot of 3s and Melo Isos. And it has nothing to do with D’Antoni…
by robk on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec's for logic
there needs to be more rec’s for logical, rational posts around here. You get one today
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Thanks guys!!
The good news is it can only get better…..unless Detroit beats us tomorrow night.
In a way, he is . . .
Whose job is it to realize his team is comprised of shitty three point shooters and to make adjustments based on that?
Whose job is it to call a time out and say, the threes aren’t falling tonight, let’s go to plan B.
Whose job is it to bench a player that jacks up contested threes repeatedly and early in the shot clock?
Whose job is it to tell certain players to NOT ever shoot a three unless the shot clock is running out?
Whose job is it to teach shot selection and high percentage shots?
I could continue until this post is as long as “Gone With The Wind.” Everyone knows the answers to the above questions are of course Mike Dantoni. \
The problem is, he does not have a Plan B when the threes aren’t falling.
Whoops, I should take that back because he actually does. His Plan B is to keep taking them and maybe one day they will fall. That is some outstanding coaching right there.
My apologies, I was wrong, he clearly is an Offensive Genius for that brilliant offensive philosophy. SMFH !
by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 29, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
no coach brought in this season
would have enough practice time to do anything worthwhile with this team except change lineups, and MDA will go through all of the lineups too.
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Well this continues to hurt.
Lin did look pretty good out there. He got his teammates some pretty good looks and got into the paint at will (now finishing, that’s another story), but he also telegraphed the hell out of some of those passes. He had one just like perfect bounce pass to Amar’e on a pick and roll that just made me happy, I don’t really recall 100% but I think it resulted in a jumper with nothing but net for STAT.
I get the feeling D’Antoni doesn’t read scouting reports or doesn’t watch any basketball because he was dumb enough to have Novak on Budinger. I saw it in the first quarter and assumed it was a switch, I thought to myself, “well Budinger can do whatever he wants on Novak”… but then it continued! Seriously, who the hell is dumb enough to put the slowest, least athletic player on one of the other team’s most athletic wings. WTF
Amar’e and Tyson did look pretty good out there, at least in the first half. Toney actually looked like a PG on two or three plays tonight. Obviously that didn’t last long. I hope Landry’s okay, the last thing we need is another back injury. Shumpert was pretty up and down, what I don’t understand is how D’Antoni seems perfectly fine when Bibby or Douglas have a dumb mistake but Shump has one and he pulls him out. I get he’s a rookie, but come on. Walker and Balkman seemed like the epitome of what’s wrong with this team right now. They’re both skilled (Balkman in his own way) but decide when they want to put effort in… that’s not how it works as a pro. That’s why they’ll be lucky to get minimum contracts for the rest of their careers.
I don’t usually blame coaching but… c’mon, we get it D’Antoni you love to have your team shoot a lot of threes. But come on. When you’re under 20% (idk the exact #s but at one point we were like 4/22) you tell your guys to drive or give it a big man. I know that’s his gameplan, but a good coach is supposed to adjust to the players he has. We don’t have the best shooters (I know you’ll point to the HEAT game, but cmon that’s an anomaly). I get it, without Melo you saw that as our best chance to score… but seriously, Tyson and Amar’e were doing really well. By shooting threes you basically give the other defense a break and they have energy for their offense. If we lose to Detroit, I think D’Antoni will be gone. I know it’s not fair at all considering he never got a true PG with this squad, but that’s how this league is. If anything it’d give the team, the jolt we’re looking for.
We can only pray . . .
hvino“If we lose to Detroit, I think D’Antoni will be gone.”
by TheKnicksAreBack on Jan 29, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
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