76ers Inquiring
by njsnip on Jan 29, 2012 2:24 PM EST
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PrintLeague sources are stating that Phili has already inquired about a possible trade for Stat. For now i'm against helping out a division rival, but this may be something to look for in the future. He needs more time to get acclimated to playing basketball again after taking the summer off. If he still playing the same way by trade deadline and we're still losing then I would take a long look at the 76ers. They have a lot of talent on their roster and getting another teams picks for once will feel good with an incredibly deep draft coming up.
The fact that everyone plays better once we trade them makes me not want to do this at all. The 76ers have young talent and if Stat goes there and plays like he did last year for us then we'll officially be the biggest fools in the NBA. Now that i'm thinking this through there's no way we make a deal with a division team for a major player, is there?
I kind of want to take this chance and unload Stat before his value plummets even more than it already has but I really have no idea what to do. What do you guys think?
I guess, for now i say keep the phone off the hook until we can see what difference a decent point guard can do.
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I agree
if you get a chance to unload stats big contract before he really implodes you do it get back brand turner and a first for STAT its a solid trade with guys whose contracts expire soon brands expires after next year and turner has a team option for the next two years so the knicks should definately look into it I think melo would do better with an elton brand because he doesnt need the ball as much and doesnt turn the ball over as much stat turns it over alot im not saying brands an upgrade but im saying the way melo plays it kills stats play brand would coexsist with melo much better
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/sixers-talk/post/Source-Sixers-inquire-about-Stoudemire?blockID=640460&feedID=694
heard on hoopshype link above to original story
Trading STAT for Elton Brand's corpse, a huge draft bust, and an avg pick?
No thanks. If it was like Iggy and Jrue I’d think about it. Why would we take back what Philly’s trying to unload?
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
The Elton's corpse part is pretty weak but otherwise...
Word!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I know you're an Elton fan, but he's at or below career lows almost across the board.
STAT’s value has dropped, but not enough that we’d consider trading him for a shiteous Elton Brand, a 2nd overall that they’ve seen enough of after a year, and a middling draft pick?
Are there people who are seriously actually considering this for more than two seconds?
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
if he comes with other players, yeah...
brand is more than serviceable, with a shorter contract, who would be able to play more fluidly with melo. he’s no where near as good as stat, but if jrue/iggy/thad/lou came with him, the whole might become greater than the sum of it’s parts.
by bucketsncents on Jan 30, 2012 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
I mean yeah if they start throwing in Iggy and Jrue and the like, I might be down.
But just Elton, Evan Turner, and a mid-1st rounder? For Amare? That’s the best we can do?
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
I hope you don't think Philly would consider trading Jrue Holiday
Amar’e or not… they have no reason to even remotely think about moving their PG.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. This isn't worth our time.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
who
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
is a huge draft bust?
Evan Turner?
Are you kidding? Dude is a 2nd year player and he is already vastly improved from his rookie season (in which it has been reported that he was out of shape to beginwith).
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Man you're the 2nd overall pick. Not only do you underperform your draft slot, but its rumored that its because you were out of shape??
His defense IS good, and yeah he’s slightly improving in some areas while also falling off dramatically in others. I’ll give him credit for a ridiculous Drtg, but he can’t shoot a lick. His %’s are atrocious, and for a player taken 2nd overall? You want a franchise changer at the Top 2 spots and instead they drafted Landry Fields.
Seriously, even considering Evan Turner’s improvement, put his and Landry’s bball-reference.com pages side by side and compare. I realize it’s not his fault he was drafted 2nd overall, but in terms of how you would evaluate a player taken there after his rookie year? He’s a bust. I’m not saying he’ll never put it together, or even that he’s a bad player, but he’s a bust as a #2. Just like Beasley was a bust. Just like Darko was…well it probably won’t be that bad, but yeah. So trading Stat for a broken down Elton going for 11/6 a game, basically what amounts to Landry Fields, and a 1st rounder from a team that will be in the playoffs for the foreseeable future? Seriously?
We’d be taking the shit Philly didn’t want, as in the lowest of their possible trade chips, and giving them Amare? Maybe I’m missing something, but this just seemed like Rod Thorn going fishing like Billy King did last year with Utah but using Skittles as bait.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
2010 was a weak draft after John Wall.
I’m not using that as an excuse for Turner, nor am I proclaiming him the next superstar.
Fact is, just because you want a franchise player at #2 doesn’t mean every draft has one.
The point I’m simply trying to make is none of us, Philly included, know what they have in Evan Turner yet. It’s much to early. Who cares what spot he was drafted. Teams draft for need. Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner are Philly’s future backcourt and it will be an awesome one in a year or so. Holiday is a rising star and Turner is quickly improving across the board. And his shooting will improve, just like it has for countless other prospects who couldn’t shoot for shit when they first entered the NBA.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know. I'm surprised you have so much faith in Evans. I think he'll definitely be a serviceable player, but nowhere near the promise he was supposed to possess during all the draft scuttlebutt.
His defense IS good though. I just don’t know how you can so confidently say his shooting will improve. Either way, I don’t want him, Elton, and a draft pick for Amare. That’s not even close man.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
I have some faith in him. I watched a few Ohio St. games and the kid is an all-around talent
But really, I’m just trying to hold myself to the same standards I view the Knick rookies and young guys. Teams draft on potential in the lottery. There are just very few guys coming right out of college who are already polished enough to be a cornerstone. Turner was a high pick in a weak draft. I’m just trying to give the guy a couple years in the league before I dismiss him. Much like the way we were with Gallo.
That said though… I don’t necessarily think Turner is gonna be a huge star one day. But, I’d be more than happy to have him on the Knicks! :-)
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 2, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind me some Greg Monroe
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
by astromets on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Detroit kinda looks more like a punishment than an opportunity, doesn't it?
I’m a big Monroe fan
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 2, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
because stat also needs to be unloaded
brands contract expires before amares and so does turner and if amare and melo cant play together we gotta get future cap space and that trade gives us future cap flexibility no way they give us jru holiday and iggy isnt bad either just dont think its realistic and give turner time its been barely over as year gallo really came into his own acouple years after being drafted
would do stat for iggy and brand...
and the sixers have been looking to move both contracts… and if we could squeeze a pick out of that, it’s a damn good trade. yeah, it makes the sixers pretty formidable, but it balances out our roster, especially with iggy’s versatility and ability to run the point and play faster.
don’t think jrue is on the block, but he’d be a brilliant addition.
Philly is not looking to move Iguodala. Brand only has one more year on his deal. If the Sixers wanted to get rid of his cap hit they could just amnesty him. Trading Iguodala and Brand for Stat is a bad more for Philadelphia.
Formerly known as The Pied Piper
"Trading Iguodala and Brand for Stat is a bad more for Philadelphia"
I’m ok with that!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Back to the Future... Redux
Back in the day… the 2004 NBA Free Agency Period, the Denver Nuggets made the ginormous (yes, giant + enormous = ginormous because it was sooo wrong) error in acquiring Kenyon Martin in a sign & trade. I was so very against acquiring KMart for all the reasons (too much money, bad health, bad attitude, too limited a player) that proved prophetic regarding KMart the last 7 years.
I wanted the Nuggets to sign, for a lot less money, another RFA, Mehmet Okur, who could double as backup to Marcus Camby at Center, and backup PF to the young Nuggets PF, Nene.
If the Nuggets truly had to chase a PF, then I was in favor of the Nuggets throwing major league money at RFA Elton Brand, a true 20/10 guy, and see if slum-lord Sterling would blink.
8 years later Melo & Elton Brand teaming together, very ironic for me.
Being a career-wide big fan of Brand, I don’t think I’d do a deal with Philly; too knee-jerk. Unless NY got Iggy in the deal and then flipped him to a different team for picks & PG, the Philly deal doesn’t solve NY’s woes. It’d essentially be a salary dump and not solve their problems.
Unless it was a deal that filled desperate needs and still kept the talent level high, I’d rather ride out the storm, even if it translated to a very poor finish (top 5 or worse & NY keeps their 1st rd pick). Top 5 pick & a full MLE next offseason… not bad for the suffering.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
You obviously haven't been following the Knicks very long
If when we miss the playoffs we’re virtually assured to land the #6 pick.
by flossy on Jan 29, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, if the Knicks miss the playoffs they are guaranteed no worse than the 14th pick
but why let reality get in the way of trying to appear important
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The #6 pick is useless to NY since their pick is only Top 5 protected to Houston
The only way to guarantee no worse than a top 5 pick would be to have the 3rd worst record in the league. Anything else is a crap shoot.
But please since you have been following the Knicks sooo long, then please enlighten everyone with the knowledge that only you possess.
Or feel free to write the following… I (meaning you) must have been writing out of some orifice, because what I (again meaning you) posted was badly written, with poor and hugely misdirected arrogance, and used really bad and incorrect judgment on my (still meaning you) part.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
LOL!
I was joking that if we fall into the lottery, we are sure to get a high pick, just not high enough to prevent it from being taken by the Rockets in a swap, because the Knicks are a cursed franchise with terrible luck.
But please, stay up on your high horse! You’re so cute when you’re mad!
I don't have a high horse... but I would like a pony!!!
No worries at all, I really enjoy an intelligent debate… ah, to only find such a beast!!!
The only thing tempering my frustration that you all don’t have is that being closer to the left coast, I don’t get the games so my pain is muffled by not being able to watch the games.
I am saddened that my concerns prior to the season are all coming true (no depth, sacrificing Chauncey and getting no real PG). Pouring salt in the wound is the paper tiger success the Nuggets are having this season. It’s not real and it will fade come playoff time but the propaganda is really annoying; especially since there are really only 2 former Knicks still on the roster and one of them, Mozgov, is still underwhelming at 17min/5pt/4reb
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I guarantee you the Nuggets will go father in the playoffs than the Knicks
and adding Wilson Chandler in march will only make them better.
In our local daily, one rocket scientist actually wrote they would have traded Melo straight up for Gallo
Thankfully, the columnist who received this mailbag entry did point out that at similar points in their careers, Melo was so far superior the player (across the board.. points, boards, assists) that the person’s comment was ill-informed at best.
But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of a (seldom sober) opinion.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Denver would never had traded Melo straight up for Gallo, obviously
but Gallo is having a better season, is younger and continuing to improve, and is locked into a much more reasonable contract, so at this point I’d gladly reverse the trade for those two straight up. Gallo + $8-$10mil to sign a good PG would make the Knicks good again, instead of this paper-thin, illogical and fatally flawed shitshow of a roster we have now. I know your loyalty is with Melo so there’s no way you’ll ever see this truth, but them’s the facts.
Hell no Denver wouldn't have done that,
Not with Dolan putting on the Mood music all lubed up with KY and offering to bend over and grab his ankles.
by Robert Curre on Jan 30, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
he is a nuggets fan
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
evan turner
isnt a bust. And I would definitely want that guy. Especially if we could re-up him before everyone realizes that he’s not a bust.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 30, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions
with you on this one...
he’s a versatile, potentially pippen’esque" talent.
by bucketsncents on Jan 30, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I have watched Evan Turner play very much
But he’s already a third of the way through his second season and I don’t think teams are scared of him or game-planning for him. For a #2 pick, that’s a good indication of bustitude. Not that he won’t be a useful player, but a real impact player? I wouldn’t bet on it.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Fuhry, you're smarter than this.
Evan Turner had a shit rookie season. He’s playing much better this season and is clearly growing into a very solid player.
But come on now, look at how defensive Knicks fans get when people would yap about Gallinari or Toney Douglas or any of our other young players. What was our response?
It was always “It’s way to early to judge these guys!!” We hated when people called Gallo or Toney a ‘bust’. We preached patience and how players tend to start really improving in their 3rd season or so.
So how can we just turn around and declare another 2nd year player a bust? We know better than that.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
he never plays with Iguodala
because theyre very very similar players and neither of them are great shooters. Philly took him because they felt they had to. He’s a bad fit, but still putting up great per minute #s. He probably shouldn’t have been drafted 2nd, but thats not the Knicks problem.
He’s a very good defender, good passer, good rebounder, and great athlete. His advanced metrics are very good and his usage rate is low. This is a great fit for the Knicks because he would be a guy who doesnt necessarily need the ball, but also isnt completely worthless as a scorer. Knicks have only one guy like that (Fields). Turner is better than Fields
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jan 30, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
dare we say, landry'esque...
with higher skill level and upside? i dig turner and would definitely welcome him.
by bucketsncents on Jan 30, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
STAT for Brand and Turner
I like Turner. He may be Landrier than Landry in some respects.
But I still think the STAT and Chandler for Hedo and Dwight scenario might still be in play. I don’t see how we turn that one down if we get the chance. I also would not expect to hear anything about this until around the time Chandler becomes trade eligible.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
agree that's a bigger payday for us...
unlikely, but i’d be down.
by bucketsncents on Feb 1, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Turner is underrated
If our coaching staff could teach him to shoot from farther than mid-range he’d be a terror
Philly would offer you shit for Amare.
This is Chess not checkers only the Knicks over pay for scorers!
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