Postgame Thread: Bobcats 118, Knicks 110
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That was disgusting.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
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*We've seen worse...
…with worse teams. This team should be better.
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I would definitely
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
he sees his career whirlpooling down the drain
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
One good thing that comes from this
MDA and the team must be pissed. And anybody who doesn’t see that probably isn’t watching the game. They’re pissed and they know they’ve sucked.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Good
Maybe the Knicks just need to have a big lockerroom brawl amongst themselves, and work all this crap outta their systems.
Then they’ll come together and it’ll be like… (insert cliche sports movie here)
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I like the sound of that
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
damn that was really big
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 4, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
why u mad?
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was cool.
I think everyone’s just uptight cuz of the carnage we just witnessed.
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Because it slows down threads, and SBN's comment format is already kind of slow and annoying as it is
With a subject title, one can simply click on said subject text and hide the image.
i find SBN works better on Chrome
little to no lag there.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
i agree with the subject part
give guys the option at least
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that was an accident
meant to post a dot
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
how about you and your crew
vs. me and the revolution
shoot the J……shoot it!!!!
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
why isn't this green?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
nice
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 4, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
ouch
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
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I worked really really hard last night and earlier today so that I'd be free to watch this.
Why God?
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So the Bobcats had a few guys get soaking wet in this game
So we move on to the next game and forget about this.
it's not just that there was hot shooting
it was that a fat Boris Diaw scored at will and got whatever shot he wanted.
he did hit some well defended shots tho
it’s not often you get two players on a team shooting about 80% for the night.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You will notice that the Bobcats do not get soaking wet against any other teams.
Even the game where they pushed Miami to the limit was more of a grind-it-out affair.
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
They really let Diaw and Henderson shoot like that?
just…wow. unacceptable.
nobody seemed interested in playing two-way basketball other than Shump.
Well
Henderson hit a couple of just ridiculous shots there, and he’s really not ever been good enough to do that. I didn’t see much of the game, but I saw Diaw execute a slow ass spin and go right by Amar’e. WTF was that? I think that Amar’e and Carmelo have a lot to learn about defense. And I’m starting to wonder whether Toney’s ever going to look like a good defender ever again.
Oh well. It was their night and the Knicks D sucked tonight. But they did score 110 points.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Knicks fell in the bowl themselves
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 4, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sooooo...
Tina Cervasio or Jill Martin?
Yankees, Knicks, Giants
You introduced me / to my mind
and left me wanting / you and your kind
My life is free now / my life is clear
I love you sweet leaf / though you can't hear
You gave to me / a new belief
and soon the world / will love you sweet leaf
by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Jan 4, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions
kinda cute but she annoys me sooooooo much
like that Hasselbeck chick from the veiw
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Toney is playing poorly, but don’t confuse that with being a poor player. One need only look to last season to see that Toney has both potential and ability.
by Branta on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you sir.
Exactly. Melo and Amare, that is all. If they’d dominate like they are supposed to, then Toney would probably bust out his funk and play decent if not better than.
Did this dude just did this?
Potential?
The guy is a decent bench player, nothing more, nothing less
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hes a moron
because he thinks TD is a decent bench guy? Well, what is he? A good bench guy, yes… but he is definitely not a quality starter
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Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 4, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
He is 25 years old
loads of potential? I dunno man
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Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And im no fan of Dantoni
but a coach who wastes potential? Nash, Diaw, Barbosa, AMARE, Joe Johnson, Tim THomas, Channing Frye all say hello along with several other suns whose careers dantoni made.
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Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Jan 4, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nash was made in Dallas, I thought
And AMARE doesn’t play D, nobody does in D’Antoni’s system. Defense is half the game in the NBA. Wasted potential
Post season awards voters in all sports
Favor offense over defense. Amar’e could have been much better than he is now if he even played passable defense.
Loads of potential?
How much blow have you been doing? I’m not seeing what you’re seeing in Douglas.
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're overrating his play from last season
He had a lot of games where he chucked up way too many shots.
“When I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven in the age of the romantics” – Bill Walton
“When I think of Boris Diaw, I think of a roley poley ass motherfucker who made it look like amateur hour at the Garden” – Me
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I kinda wish I was present for that game...
So I could of helped boo this team off the floor. Disgusting man.
Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".
Will the real New York Knicks please stand up
or atleast show up
by blackhova on Jan 4, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think we're gonna have a problem here.
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Sadly
They’re on the Blazers and the Nuggets :(
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck the Blazers, Fuck the Nuggets, Fuck Raymond Felton
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Did Jordan give Boris Diaw his talent?
Like some crazy, Space Jam, owner to player kind of thing? Goodness.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
well his number is 32
which is 23 backwards. And Jordan was in incredible shape and Diaw is a fat ass. Bizarro world?
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Christ
When are Stat and Melo going to find the chemistry? I mean those two guys are superstars, but simply don’t have any chemistry. Losing to a team whose biggest star is Boris Diaw is just plain unexceptable
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions
still holding out hope
I remember watching in horror after the trade, hoping that with a full training camp they’d figure it out. Now I’m trying to convince myself it’s because they just haven’t had time, but I’m beginning to think it might never happen. Probably just a typical NY overreaction after a bad start, but the team has been tough to watch.
Fire Gilbride
I'm just gonna say it. Cuz they both wanna iso and have the ball, be the man. It doesn't work.
But the O isn’t the problem, it is their efforts on D and where they show no leadership. And having Chandler fly around like Cap’n Helper on D is not working. Chandler on friggin’ augustin! REALLY?!
I'll watch pretty much anything Rob Schneider does.
by ToshiroMifune on Jan 4, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
would loved to have been a fly on the wall
in the ¡Rob! pitch meeting. “so he marry’s a mexican woman and hilarity ensues…”
by ToshiroMifune on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Please play Landry and TD less
They should have gone instead of DANILO GALLLINARRRRI. It’s all Spike Lee’s fault. TD and Amar’e are truly atrocious at D. It’s amazing that TD was defensive player of the year in college. He must have been playing in a senior rec league.
Yeah
Is Toney’s D really this bad, or is this some illusion caused by the defensive dopeyness of Amar’e and Carmelo? I wonder whether a lineup can withstand being 2/5ths dopey on defense.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I have only seen PGs run right past him
Granted, it’s a PG league, but he’s helpless against the good ones.
I wouldn't say TD sucks at D
He’s not amazing, but he’s solid. And Landry shouldn’t be creating his own shot. Same thing with Amare. Less isos for those two.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
He's suited to be a 6th man and guard the slower bench players
And increase his confidence and only take open shots
both, but I was talking about Landry
They’re kinda similar but Landry’s good at rebounding. He should be doing that.
TD should be the 6th
streaky shooter who can bring some energy and points off the bench and occasionally make his own shot. Im worried that the landry we had the 1st half of last year ain’t coming back.
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
He will be
When Baron gets back. So problem solved until his back gets screwed up again, i guess.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Trash!!!
Who the hell can they beat?…Besides themselves
But
They still had two Hall of Fame players in Allen and K.G., that must mean something
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
So now they're Pierceless
But before it was “Well, we were missing Baron Davis”? We beat a really good team to start the season off, the potential is there.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Knicks don't know what they're doin
…. on defense
Tyson Chandler: Kung-Fu Knickerbocker
by raed247 on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That picture is amazing
The difference is that despite not knowing what she’s doing, the dog is still successfully riding a bicycle.
by superturboultra on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. i'd be happy with bizarre wins.
Fire Gilbride
I gotta say I hate the fire this and that and winey talk
But without P&T to BS with these games over the past few years would be unbearable. P&T takes the edge off. I look forward to the days of hootin and hollerin over wins. They’re coming I swear. But I find by apathy towards Amar’e’s D getting pretty damn close to maddening. I have to agree with Mindfeck on Landry, too. He starts games well but has a very bad and growing habit of fading. Not good. Shumpert fits like a glove here. The dude needs to get a 100% and we need his moxy and penetrating O.
I'm not sure how this was a single digit loss
Somebody just looking at the score might actually think this was a close game
This "switch on everything" defense
is bullshit. Chandler should not be guarding Augustine on the three point line. Happened often. they switch too much and NBA players make open jump shots.
This. So much this.
Why was Douglas guarding a 7 foot jump shooter on nearly every possession?
Guess Mike Woodson installed it to give the illusion we actually have a plan on defense.
Formerly known as "GangGrizzle".
by B.Rush on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes, yes
Stop switching ALL THE TIME. Try to fight through screens. Chandler, your default option is to STAY HOME.
Can I have the thread headline again?
LOL, these Knicks are driving us all crazy. I love P&T.. even after a loss, reading you guys posts makes me laugh. We almost won this game.
Did this dude just did this?
They're the fucking Bobcats
almost isn’t good enough
It’s still early…it’s still early…
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
remember how someone above said that looking at the score you'd think the game was close?
i think this is a case of that.
Fire Gilbride
LMFAO! You guys rock.
I want the thread headline to be “We almost won this game”. I can’t stop laughing at the genius of it.
Did this dude just did this?
Shump should start at PG
TD should get a decent amount of time, but, atleast until TD has shown he can be consistently good, only Shump should play when it matters.
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what I'm saying is
play the hot hand.
My first comment may have come out a little weird, but this is what I meant.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
I feel ya, I just think the starting lineup is a bit rigid this early in the season
So Shump should play more, but TD gets the start, but on closely watched notice
That works.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
The line in the sand is game 20
I’m not going to get upset and call for D’Antoni to be fired or for any player to be benched until then.
These guys are all playing tentative. It starts with Toney, but he’s in over his head – we all love him, but we also know he’s not a starting-caliber PG. Someone on this team needs to decide that it doesn’t matter what the other guys do, he’s going to play well, get people involved, and also take some of the scoring burden by taking smart shots.
Also, the switching on defense is killing the team. I liked when the team went to the zone. Charlotte still scored but at least we made it hard for them, they were just on too much of a roll.
I’m disappointed as hell in this team. I cant bear to watch the postgame interviews.
Melo has done it at times. We’ve seen it from Amare last year.
by superturboultra on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Damn.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
as in
who the f*ck is #BorisDiaw?
Fire Gilbride
hes a classical human being
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Couldn't watch the game
Because of the Nazis over at MSG / Time Warner.
But judging by the box score and the game thread, it is apparent that Shump has become our best guard. His shot was going in I’m guessing, but can anyone tell me how he was moving around? Did it look like he was fully healed?
Also, Baron please get well soon.
If you come to a fork in the road, take it.-Yogi Berra
Staff Writer on GangGreenNation.com
Basically looked to be at 100%
He definitely was our most energetic player on the floor, esp on D
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
he looked fine.
came off the court a little gimpy at one point. I think dantonis gonna work him in a little more each game.
really the only guy who brought any consistent energy tonight
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Until he cramped up in the 4th
He was all smooth. He looked really, really good. Hesitation dribble drive was killer, jumper was perfectly in rhythm, defense effort was great.
if your persistent
you can find feeds over the webz to watch us lose.
the feed itself will give you cataracts, and the team you’re watching will give you a coronary tho. you’ve been forewarned….
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
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I know this looked awful
But the Bobcats shot 7-11 from three, 55 percent from the floor overall. I know that the Knicks crappy D had a lot to do with that, but they also got uncharacteristically red-hot.
We won the rebounding battle. Shump shot 6-10 from the field and 4-6 from three. Amar’e hit more shots than he missed and pulled down 12 rebounds and only turned the ball over once.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
This is true...
You can’t do much about a bunch of the shots they hit. But there were a lot of defensive possessions where the effort really was awful
They were allowed to get into a rhythm. They were eating up the paint with NO opposition in the 1st half
Get a rhythm get hot. We layed a flatfooted stinker in this one. I watched Boris swing around Amar’e like he was a stripper pole
Yes, yes yes
+1 on this. We played terribly on defense, no doubt. But the Bobcats just went off on us tonight.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Better kind of loss?
Losing to Charlotte was pretty horrible. The non-existent defense (and utter lack of interest in that half of the game) is pretty much inexcusable.
But still… look at the improvement on offense: better ball movement, better attempt to run purposeful plays, better shot selection (usually), and better Shumpert. That all led to better FG% (49.4%) and, ultimately, better scoring (>100 for once).
The Knicks offense still has a lot of room for improvement, but at least we now know what it can look like. The Knicks defense? Well, that’s at least a familiar problem.
bobcats offense is one of the worst in the league
so theres that. but i agree it looked better
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but our defense is worse than their offense
I just liked that there was some flow and purposefulness in our offense.
Oh, and I also liked everything about Shumpert.
Bobcats center was Boris Diaw
There no way our offense wasn’t going to look better.
This is where I pray Baron has the tank and healthy back to be what we hope him to be. He and Shump
Have the penetrating O and occasional 3 prowess to really open things up and hopefully alleviate the amount of iso’s that stagnate the O. Shumpert looks great in the O and is very good on D.
I have faith
We better fucking blowout the Wiz
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions
Hey Dolan, even though we lost
I was streaming the MSG broadcast on my Time Warner internet connection. How U?
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions
I want to see what this lineup can do
Chandler – Center
Stat – Power forward
Melo – Small forward
Shump – Shooting guard
B. Diddy – Point guard
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions
as long as they can put in some effort on defense
I’d be game. Hard to be too up on this team after these shoddy displays
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
knicks win 122-120
dantoni gets 5 year extension
p&t explodes
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Im going to just hedge my emotions here
and say that lineup can generate 1000+ angry P&T comments.
Fire Gilbride
Well
Douglas and Fields are not playing very well. Shump has been playing great and B. Diddy, when healthy, can be one of the leagues best point guards
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Really Pathetic...
Not really sure where to start.
Amare has lost his game completely.Missed all those mid range jumpers he was hitting left and right last year. Plus really feel he’s not showing any leadership whatsoever. I think he lifted too many weights in the off season and didn’t play enough basketball in his $45000000.00 mansion. He needs to get the ball down low, that’s the only way he can score. He needs to up his energy and become the Amare we saw early last season, I feel like he’s taken a backseat with Melo in town and that needs to change.
Carmelo is Carmelo and really is 70% of our scoring most games. He’s not a leader though. He’s selfish. That’s Melo
Shumpert is maybe the one bright spot. Lots o potential there. That’s good.
Landry is tentative, mediocre, and has been making some of the worst passes I’ve ever seen.
TD is not DWTDD….at all.
Tyson Chandler has been SOOOOOOO Underwhelming. Except for a couple of cute Alley Oops I almost forgot he was playing. Was he there on Defense? I really think that labeling him part of any “big three” is being presumptuous. Maybe he’ll start doing something. Or maybe he’s trying to do too much on D and it’s making his efforts futile.
The bench was way better this game if only because Mike Bibby didn’t stand up. Jorts had a couple decent minutes and Humpty was ok sporatically.
Anyway. I’m hoping this comes together. Losing to Toronto and Charlotte at home in 3 days sucks. Not going to panic yet but I may if we lose to the Wizards.
Agree on everything
But Carmelo and Chandler. Carmelo not a leader? Seriously? The guy’s been putting the team on his back for the past couple of games, especially in the 4th quarters. Remember the Celtic’s game?
Chandler’s also been quite good on defense. We knew he wasn’t Shaq on offense. He’s a very good defensive player playing on a terrible, terrible defensive team.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Too much having to help instead of staying home. He got beat a few too many times in the paint tonight though
But I’m not taking that as the norm
Yeah. I regretted my Melo comment as soon as I posted...
You’re right. He’s leading. I realize he wants it more than anyone else including Amare. My thought more appropriately articulated would be that he’s an iso player and he’s not a natural distributor and that can put the brakes on things. I realize he’s been passing well etc. I just don’t feel like there’s anyone that’s really making everyone feel accountable out on the floor. Amare did that last season. Maybe there’s a problem with the coaching staff not pushing hard enough. I’m just not feeling the urgency at all.
I kind of agree on Chandler but I just feel like he disappears on both ends of the floor. Maybe he’s trying to do too much on D and his O just isn’t too good. I mean I saw flashes of brillance that could be amazing with a great ditributor like Baron but we have to wait and see.
Carmelo helped himself to a giant serving of garbage time points
that’s hardly putting the team on his back, gimme a break
Kind of sounds like every other game you coached in your career
@LohudKnicks D’Antoni: "Offense was good, just bad defense."
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 4, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions
Just bad defense?
What does he mean just bad defense? It was down right non-existant, which is the reason why we lost to a team like the Bobcats
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
well, I will say they are playing better
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
They do have Michael Beasley, they have that going for them
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
but keeping himself high
zing!
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice one!
mindfeck with the assist
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
This team, more than any other team in the league
Needed a full training camp. We might be rolling into the playoffs as a dangerous 8 seed going up against a Miami team, repeat of 99 playoffs?
I agree we need some serious time to mesh
but i think we will do better than an 8th seed
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
why more than any other team in the league?
have you seen the defending champs recently? all teams are suffering because of it. only insanely talented teams like MIA and OKC hit the ground running.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
because
melo been here half a season, chandlers new, no point guard, 2 rooks getting legitimate pt
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
never had a real training camp to implement Melo after the midseason trade. Lots of new players, a new “defensive” coach. Team has absolutely zero chemistry. And a short season without a lot of practice time is going to kill the chances to work those things out.
by ToshiroMifune on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
every team is unique
we still got lots of holes and made big moves that would require time to adjust under normal circumstances let alone a shortened season.
lost Billups, now we’re tryna turn Melo into a distributor overnight. Chandler now occupying space on the floor which last year would be freed up. New defensive schemes from a new defensive coach(which aren’t working right now) but all that stuff needs time to sort out. More holes need more time, which we don’t have.
That doesn’t mean taking L’s is acceptable but these guys are gonna just have to work harder.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
One thing that is very alarming is Amar'e's lack of D, the boards were there
But we’re consistently bad at defending 2nd chances and get caught sleeping alot in the paint. Amar’e seems very immobile on D, but shows explosion on O. We need to see the effort from him. Maybe that extra muscle wasn’t such a good idea
Even the boarding was not acceptable to me tonight
Yeah, he ended up with a good number, but he got a bunch by flying in from the weak side. He still failed to box out on a number of occasions.
No one is ever gonna mistake Amare for a lock down defender
but the defense as a whole looks terrible, once the team defense comes together and the team learns to trust each other and all this damn switching stops…Amare will still be bad but he’ll at least look decent with the team defense holding up.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
so when is the next torture session?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 PM EST reply actions
So how was the D tonight?
they only lost by 5 last night on a “good” dfensive effort. I wonder how many points they’ll give up in the next loss?
Good now back off me
i’m just as entitled to an opinion as anyone else. Don’t reply to me if I’m ignored genious.
+1
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
ur right but we all already know defense is a problem
nothing new.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Are you even a Knick fan?
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
Not trolling
just frustrated like everyone else. I’m just stronger in my opinions.
oh
well you have an annoying and condescending way of expressing your opinions
by The Monsieur on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Annoying?
I’m not anymore annoying than anyone else here.
wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
The weird thing is since we lost by 8 it;s possible after all that if we had played adequete defense in the last 6 minutes or so
we would have won
True, but defense isn't a 6 min kind of thing
The Knicks can’t keep thinking that they can play part-time defense, showing up on that half of the court “when it counts”. The key to defense is making a habit out of it. The Knicks have not committed to making a habit out of it, and that’s why they can’t find any defensive breaks “when it counts”.
absolutely spot on sr24
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Or the Nets
Or Nets fans.
Or Jay Z
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
I mean if I had Jay-z's
money, influence, talent, and wife…
I’d be happy.
But not if I actually was Jay-z.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
Does anyone know
If Spike is still rocking a Landry Fields jersey to games?
Fire Gilbride
I kind of don't want Iman Shumpert to have to play with the rest of these jerks
He should be on a team where other people play like they give a shit.
lawdy lawdy lawdy, you've gone mad!
if anything we encase him in a block of ice to thaw out once we’re good a la’ encino man.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
lol solid reference
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuudy
by total hermination on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Was that really the plot of Encino Man?
I didn’t remember that the point was keeping the caveman on ice until he could hang with someone sufficiently good, i.e. Pauly Shore.
Thanks for the tip, buuuuuuuuddy!
What bother's me the most about this team
is the lack of effort and the insanely bad shots that are being chucked up. You can live with a team shooting the lights out, but just leaving guys wide open and just throwing up any garbage is maddening.
So, that Shump's a good player, huh?
It was so weird watching him go 1 on 5, but hey, the Shumps only lost by 8. Not bad. Not bad at all.
He's awesome, makes the team a billion times more athletic when he's on the court
And also contributes to the much forgotten fast break
Yeah, that's the one.
Damn, they need to give him super special dunk shoes or something.
When he is always getting the ball out of rhythm of the offense.
No catch and shoots. He catches, is in a bad position because the pass came from TD instead of a PG, is forced to reset his stance and iso a bad shot w/ a defender in his face.
That was a sweet behind the back pass by TD in the first 3 minutes...
Good reminder
We should be assembling our own TD highlight reel so that we can coddle him after a shit performance.
I just got back from the game
Shumpert’s the man, hopefully he’s not injured again, Amare had a solid return but forgot how to shoot, Melo is the king of garbage time, Chandler was invisible after the 1st, TD and Landry are a terrible backcourt.
Oh, and THE KNICKS CAN’T PLAY DEFENSE!!!!! I guess it wasn’t all Bibby’s fault.
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Alan Hahn on twitter said he talked to MDA bout Shump
just cramps.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
well
God is merciful huh?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Great
Shump was the only reason that going to the game wasn’t a complete waste of time and money
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by bluecheese999 on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one..
or has being the $100,000,000 man gone to Amare’s head? He needs to start earning that scratch!!!
He doesn't rebound anymore, turns it over constantly, and can't hit threes
Why is he even out there
Meanwhile, in Miami
Tyler Hansbrough was a minus-43
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by bluecheese999 on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
LOL UNC fail
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
So?
Bill Walker was +5, the best on the team. Does that mean he was great? Just because ESPN for some reason decided to put +/- in the box score doesn’t mean it means anything.
Yeah but Landry does this every game
Walker has had a good +/- for a while, but I think it’s more than people he plays with and against. And he shoots well. His boneheadedness make him seem worse than he is.
I'm saying it's not just this game
This happens every game. Landry really hasn’t been playing well, and Bill Walker seems worse than he is. His TS% and +/- the past three years help illustrate he’s decent.
Landry was +13 against the Raptors. Best on the team.
I agree he hasn’t been playing well. But his +/- doesn’t tell you that. The point of my response was that +/- is far too meaningless to elicit a “holy shit” reaction.
I’m not trying to say anything about Bill Walker. He’s decent.
This is Melo Ball
Yeah, ok, so we’ve been hearing how things are going to “turn around and come together” since the second game after the Melo trade, This act played itself out in Denver, and an entire city, not to mention his own coach, rejoiced after he was gone.
Newsflash – The D’s never coming consistently. Melo and Amare don’t have the heart or the motivation to play it every game for a whole season. “Hey, we lost, where’s the next fashion show this week?”
I hate what the Knicks have become. We have no depth because we max’ed out Melo and gave up all of our young potential for him. Felton’s making Aldrige an early MVP candidate.
Only Amare can make Diaw look like Lebron. Melo’s a damn black hole. The ball goes in and it never comes out. Point forward, run it thru Melo – that’s a delusional pipedream.
Just like he sometimes will play tough D, he sometimes throw a nice pass. Sometimes.
Since the Melo trade, Amare went from MVP chants to “WTF was that?” Since the Melo trade, there have been a ton of games where we lose to the non-playoff teams. TD’s our PG? Why? Because we traded our whole team at the time forrrrr – Melo.
So now, quite pathetically actually, our whole damn season rides on BDiddy coming back healthy and playing like the 2005 BDiddy?
Maybe this is as good as it gets with Melo Ball? Occassional flashes of brilliance, only against the teams with the big stars on it, with a constant capability of getting humiliated by the dregs of the NBA on any given night.
But, wait, it’s still early, I know …
Indeed.
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
@GiantBCfan
shut up
I’m sick of this shit. You act like we never lost to shitty teams before the melo trade when we were really a .500 team going down fast because of a worn down Amar’e and Felton. You act like the team before melo even played defense once.
You know who we beat with Melo? Miami
You know who we didn’t beat without Melo? Miami
Go fuck yourself. I’m so tired of this bullshit. We went over this for an entire year and you just won’t give it up. We are better with Melo. He is by far the best player on this team.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Better post-Melo?
because we won a reg season game against Miami last year? Oh, I see.
The fact that our team’s record was worse post-Melo, we got humiliated by the Celtics in the first round getting swept, and now being 2-4 this year are all Facts we should ignore?
Take the sunglasses off son, you’re blinded by the NBA’s Star marketing lights show. Melo’s second to third tier star, that’s it. He ain’t Lebron, he ain’t Wade, he ain’t Kobe in his prime, he’s maybe like a Barkley in his prime. Will end up with same amount of rings as him too.
We traded Mozgov? I thought he played Center tonight. Oh, my bad, that was Tyson Chandler.
sorry
i’ll take this lineup 100/100 times over the lineup we had. why? because talent wins in this league. and a lineup of TD, Landry, Melo, STAT, and Chandler is better than a lineup of Felton, Landry, Gallo, STAT and Moz. and once B,Davis comes back, we just got that much better.
we can feign nostalgia all we want over what we had, but the reality was we weren’t that great then. and the chances of that team becoming great, as compared to this team, wasn’t good at all.
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I have to disagree with your premise
If talent was what won in this league, Dallas wouldn’t be the defending champs. Not that they lacked talent, but there are certainly teams that were more talented on paper. Dallas defended and attacked as a team. That’s why they won. Not because of talent.
by Joamiq on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i understand what your saying altho Dallas certainly didn't lack talent
Dirk may go down as a top 3 PF of all time, that’s something i don’t think any of us imagined anybody on last years knicks team can claim at any point in there career. i mean, even the biggest Gallo supporters among us see him at his best as a 20 point scorer, with great range, and can grab a few boards. that’s not enough.
and yes, Dallas did beat a team with better talent, but that’s certainly not the rule of thumb if you look at the past champs before them: the lake show twice, boston, the spurs, a Dwayne Wade/Shaq led Heat, Spurs, Pistons, Spurs, and Lakers 3 times. The Pistons were the exception to the rule, other than that you have extremely talented teams. Hell, Boston couldn’t sniff the Finals till they made similar trades and moves to acquire 2 future HOF to surround there perennial all star. before that, they had nice talent around Pierce, but just enough to get them into the dance, and be out of it after one or two songs.
And the Spurs are deeper than we give them credit for as well. Manu, Duncan, Parker…these guys are good solid players.
the problem is not with the moves we’ve made to acquire talent, the problem is does this talent believe in playing enough D to be in that upper echelon? and does their leader believe in it? that’s the difference. until we replace pringles, or he wakes up and has an epiphany as to truly win games when they matter, then we won’t be what we know we can be.
but the same would have been said if we still had Chandler and Gallo and Felton around.
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I don't want to get into arguing about hypotheticals
It’s all speculation – we can never know what might have been. I’m just saying there’s more to it than accumulating talent. There’s a reason USA basketball hasn’t won every gold medal in every tournament ever.
Joamiq you get a rec for rational thought and an educated basketball statement!
as opposed to emotional self loathing that may come back to bite you in the ass should this team get their shit straight a few weeks from now.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
This ain't NBA 2K11
That was our lineup then, would it be the same today without acquiring Melo? No. We could have Deron Williams or Chris Paul with STAT. Better fit? I think so.
Maybe we would’ve made a strong play at Howard? Why did it have to be Melo for our whole squad last year?
You don’t build a Championship team like a fantasy league team. The Giants, the Cardinals, the Packers – look around, they’re not a collection of great stats players. They are all great teams though because all the pieces fit.
We were on the right path and Donnie Walsh knew it. He did not want to trade Felton, because he was a really good NY-style PG and he knew it. Dolan forced him to make the final trade.
Lots of Knicks fans will tell you the last time they really enjoyed watching a Knicks game was pre-Melo. Was that team great? No. Were they coming together as a team? Absolutely. Did they need more pieces? Yes, they were a work in progress.
Melo needs to change his whole mindset of how a team becomes great. I could care less if he drops 40 if we lose. He needs to feel the same way.
Tina – “How’s the lockerroom tonight after a really bad loss?”
Melo – “Oh, we’re cool … uhhhh, I mean, yeah we know …”
That’s Melo and unless he changes his spots, buckles down and plays hard every night on D against all the teams in the NBA, looks to make his teammates better, focuses only on winning a championship not on his stats, and acts like a true leader holding everyone accountable, will I come around and accept this guy as a true star.
u forget the pre-melo team flat-lined after that hot 10 game winning streak. Melo gives this team that 2nd star.
You need two dominant scorers, paint defense and timely outside shooting to win a championship. This team has those pieces. pre-melo team didnt. This team needs 20 games and baron davis to gel and develop into an unstoppable force. At least thats what Chandler said the other day. Don’t be a shortsighted fan masquerading as a farsighted fan.
see i don't understand the contingent who looks back to that team we had last year
you love it, you wax poetically about it, yet, you’d be willing to trade it for deron, CP3, and Dwight. i’m confused. did you want them to grow together, and gel and become a great team around STAT, or did you just want to trade them for another star, not named Melo?
i’m not trying to start an argument either, i’m seriously asking, is it the player that you have the problem with, or the way we got him, or the fact that we went all out for another star? because at times i read the anti Melo crowd stuff and see alot of talking out of both sides of mouths. “We love Gallo, (Wil)Chandler, Felt and Moz, and should’ve let them grow together as a team. or traded them for Dwight and Paul.”
which one is it? that’s a confusing platform.
here’s how i see it. before last offseason, we were looking at a lineup of over the hill players with expiring contracts, surrounding some nice young talent we drafted. and another season of 30 wins.
in 2 years, we have arguably 2 of the top 10 players in the game, a true center(whens the last time we could actually say that) and hopefully in a few weeks, a true PG to run the whole thing. i’ll say it again – give me that lineup 100/100 times. easy.
now if only we had a real coach to guide them….
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by wilddre22 on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank You wildfire, thank you so much!
rec rec rec rec rec
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
well mine was bigger
and size is everything…..
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That’s Melo and unless he changes his spots, buckles down and plays hard every night on D against all the teams in the NBA, looks to make his teammates better, focuses only on winning a championship not on his stats, and acts like a true leader holding everyone accountable, will I come around and accept this guy as a true star.
or until we win a championship with him playing and acting the same way and you can figure out a way to sing his praises without looking like a hypocrite over broad generalized statements you can’t take back.
you know…either or.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yes he is by far the best player on the team
But with his salary and everything we got up, there aren’t many chances to have other good players. That’s the main problem. And he still is nowhere near as good as LeBron or Durant.
actually
he and Durant are not that far apart at all….not just lately.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
well like two years ago Durant was better and seemed to be still improving
For some reason, he’s fallen off a bit.
eh, okay 2years he probably had slightly better numbers
I’ll give you that, I just interpret it differently. I don’t think he’s falling off, I think a great player had two really exceptional seasons and is now performing closer to his standard average which is already great to begin with.
Melo and Durant are both great players, who have the same exact def rating, similar usage, run the same iso’s, take the same tough shots yet because of their personalities and peoples perceptions of them they are often separated with Durant on a pedestal and melo relegated to a “tier3 star”
I mean I understand on some level, the grass will always be greener on the other side; but if you watch them play and then you look at their numbers? Not much difference.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
if your FO is good you can get creative and build a good team around him
what’s Miami really have after the big 2 and a half? not much. we’re still a year away, and it’s only 6 games into the season. let’s be a little more patient about what we have.
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that's true, can't argue that point
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Sadly..
Miami will win the championship this year. I predicted it and I’m never wrong.. Well, I predicted LeBron would win a chip in 2012, way back when I thought he’d be a Knick, so I’m sure it still stands. If I’m wrong then about him getting his I’ll owe you 17 dollars. Hopefully the Knicks can right their wrongs and turn this shit around. As of right now, this team as it stands is not listening to the collective unconscience of all Knicks fans.
Did this dude just did this?
it's not a ridiculous complaint
Before the all star break last season, the Knicks were 28-26. Since the all star break (excluding playoffs), the Knicks are 16-18. For a comparable sample size, in the first 34 games of last season, the Knicks were 20-14. Now, obviously record doesn’t tell the whole story (I’m too lazy to compare other stats from before and after), but it’s not crazy to say that the Knicks were a more successful basketball team before the trade.
Obviously Anthony is the most talented player on the team, but when you’ve gutted the squad and are resorting to giving meaningful PT to rookies and guys who should be coming off the bench, it doesn’t matter that Melo will put up 30 points a game.
Like I said above, I hope they figure it out, but it’s going to take time and so far D’Antoni doesn’t seem like the guy to do it.
Fire Gilbride
but sir the knicks scored 110 points today. The problem wasn't the offense it was making stops. same as last game. The knicks would get close and boom the other team goes on 6-0 run.
You can’t tell me turiaf-led knicks were better defensively. They lack defensive chemistry that can only be rectified by trial and error.
And Aldridge was nearing MVP status last year without Felton
The idea that Felton made him great is laughable at worst.
Go cry into your fucking mozgov jersey
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
true, Aldridge is great, but Felton made their offense much faster paced
So the numbers are inflated. It’s surprising Felton plays so fast when he’s so fat
How is this on Melo?
We lost by 20 if melo wasn’t playing. Melo’s Defense wasn’t terrible, it was average. It was amare and TD who were getting burned in the 2nd half mostly and Melo was doing alright.
the trade happened, get over it or stay mad but this...
This act played itself out in Denver, and an entire city, not to mention his own coach, rejoiced after he was gone.
Easy for Denver to shit on him after he’s gone because SVU needed to examine our front office after the trade went down while Denver kept enough talent to win.
I’m just as pissed as anyone over this clusterfuck of a season thus far but lets put shit in it’s proper perspective.
No one knows what will and won’t work until the season plays out. If you tell me you know exactly how Melo and Amare are gonna play off of each other next week and how the team will respond and perform against their next opponents then you are a psychic who needs to quit school and your day job only to start spending your days at the race track.
So please everyone lets now stop with this
“but…but…Amare and Melo will never work together! Trade one of them now! Doom is ahead! Deh future is in deh cards deh mon!”
Dantoni doesn’t even know if it’ll work, so I find it hard to rely upon your certainty unless you moonlight as a NBA coach with a positive winning percentage.
Speaking of Dantoni, I don’t even like the dude. Not my first choice for coach at. all. But he’s here now and is the best choice at the moment. That is something we just gotta take on the chin. Be unhappy about it if you like but any candidate who replaces him will be worse unless Dolan writes Phil Jackson a contract that includes him getting a personalized hummer and rim job from Dolan himself in the MSG steam room.
Melo/Amare is as much of a black hole as Bryant/Durant/Wade take your pick. And even if he is a bigger ball hog than any of those guys, we don’t have assets to trade for anyone you might think is better. Deal with it.
Yes the team is a mess and yes you should be upset but snap judgements and critiques won’t make it any better. The team sucks right now. We all know. We’re watching the same games. This aint all on Melo nor his contract and if you think otherwise you aren’t watching hard enough, though I couldn’t blame you.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
i can understand your frustration but the rest is off.
Where was the “coach” when Denver got beat by the Thunder? All that ‘depth" and it did them no good when it counted because nobody wins rings with nothing but role players. Sta has never been a good defender and it’s not a secret. Your point? Didn’t we know that when we gave him the 100 million? The old team had depth but what were they doing? I agree we gave up a lot, but you’re being fooled and you’re wrong on a lot of this. Felton had one good month and it came against sorry teams only. He never did good against the Celtics, Heat, etc. Stat was hearing early MVP chants because he was the only guy on the team and doing everything. He had a period where he scored something like 30 ppg in 8 straight games but that ended quickly.
I think you forgot how inconsistent we were even before the trade. I disagree with how the Melo trade went down but he(melo) has actually been our best player and actually tries. If anyone doesn’t seem to care, it’s stat. He getting his 100 million and is making money off the court.
I hate what the Knicks have become so far too but that’s how it is. We have inconsistent role players, had no training camp, preseason and added new players. Look at the Mavs and how they’re struggling also and that’s because they lost players, and added new players. It takes time and especially when you bring in stars and new players and try to become a defensive team. I am angry too and hate this but I don’t blame Melo for it. It’s not his fault that Stat can’t make his jumpers anymore or that Fields can’t play how he did early last season.
Last but not least, any MDA team needs a good pg and that’s where Baron comes into the picture. stat also needs a pg who can get him the ball where he is at best. Nevertheless, I do agree about how Stat makes lames look like beasts and the sad part about it is Diaw will never see 100 million nor will Brandon, Bass or Hansbrough but this what stat does. He made Lamar Odom look like a superstar during the playoffs in 2010 when he allowed him to get all them offensive boards. It’s frustrating but I can’t blame this on Melo nor the coach.
Don't forget though, we started 3-8 last year
We should never be losing to teams like Golden State, Toronto, and Charlotte but there’s still hope.
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also playing nearly every team without their best player
Imagine if the Knicks were playing without Melo. Yikes.
Has anyone heard D'antoni say the word "Defense" this year?
Everytime he is asked that something is wrong he says that the shots aren’t falling. Newsflash: You can win scoring less than 120 points. You can win scoring less than 110 points. You can win scoring less than 100 points. IF you play defense — something D’antoni doesn’t appear to hold players accountable for or value (See Harrelson’s 3 minutes). I give him another month of this crash and burn scheme before he gets yanked.
Were you listening to the sound bites from his timeouts? MDA owes the media nothing
They’ll spin it any way they want, forgetting that Amar’e could have been bolted down at the elbow and would’ve probably looked better on D.
actually he told em to tighten up the D tonight...during timeout....this recent game.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 5, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
i have watched every post game interview and he mentions defense every time
but he is right about the shots. You still got to score in order to win. Good defense and good offense. We are not a good defensive team, but then again, we haven’t been one since this dark age began after the Ewing era. I agree that you win with defense but there are players who aren’t good at it(Stat is one of them).
Amare I'm bout done with you.
He made Bryon Mullens look like a freaking AllStar!! BRYON MULLENS! He got absolutely schooled by Fatty Boris Diaw, & just doesn’t give a dam about D.
It hurts saying this about the person who brought this franchise back from the dead but its true.
Shump Shump Yall !!
KNICKS!
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it’s not hard to bring a franchise back when you getting 100 million. The truth is that Stat is not a good defender and only good offensively and that too in certain systems. This is why Miami picked Bosh over him. That’s why Cavs didn’t want to give up too much for him and ended up getting washed up Jamison instead. He has made many and many scrubs look like superstars and not just in NY. we were desperate after 10 horrible years and that’s why Stat appears like a savior but if he had gotten the same money elsewhere he probably wouldn’t even come, but then again, NYC is great and lot’s money making opportunities for people like him so, of course, he chose NY.
I don’t view him as a savior nor do I think he is better than many players who make less than him. He will never be like Ewing who was treated without respect by this franchise, and if i could remain a Knicks fan for all these years after Ewing, I can be one even without Stat. I honestly think the team we had with Zach, JC and MDA as head coach would have been special. It was a deep roster and with a good coach. we started off 8-3 and then abolished it to get Lebron James and Bosh two years later. As you know now, it’s history and Lebron was never coming here and I never believed it. I will root for the Knicks because it goes back 20 years and it’s by heart, but i will not be fooled by stat coming here.
Reminder: The following people were on the knicks team that started 3-11 last year: Douglas, Fields, Stoudemire, Bill Walker. Oh and D’antoni.
they were 3-8
not 3-11 and then we went on a streak which lasted for about a month, but all against sorry teams or okay teams. Oh wait, we did manage to beat a Denver team with a “melodrama” in their locker room and the Hornets without David West. we got stomped by Miami and were inconsistent even before the Melo trade. It’s the past and we can’t do nothing about it. I am angry. depressed and sad but what can we do? We wanted to copy the Heat with their “big 3” and then Dolan also wanted to increase tickets and what better way than by getting big names and jamming them together.
I'd like to be better than lasat year if that's not too much trouble.
You know, with the whole “Paying a center 15 million/year”
Are you a stat observer? Rebounders this year aren't rebouding, 3pt shooters are bricking. its crazy. def. no preseason and training camp a factor.
and it was tyson that said this team needs 20 games. i believe him.
i agree with this
They will need about a month. Remember where we had a rough stretch after the trade and Billups went out? We then went on a winning streak again and finished 42-40. They will need a month at least and these games are like practice right now, but except they count toward our record. This is preseason and learning right now. It is frustrating and hard to remain patient but that’s the key. The heat weren’t looking so sharp at first and then had another collapse in the middle of the season and were even “crying their eyes out” in the locker room. Our players aren’t crying and Carmelo and everyone seems calm and confident. It is those of us from outside who are angry and critical and we have a right to be as fans but we gotta remind ourselves that it has only been 6 games with no time to get together and gel. We also had new players and trying to become defensive minded.
We went 3-8 last year before winning 13 of 14 games
And we lost to some equally shitty teams. Granted, this team is much more talented, but there hasn’t been NBA basketball in 7 months. I’m not making excuses because this lost disgusted me just as much as anyone, but I can’t say I’m totally shocked at this start.
Likewise, we’re the New York Knicks, and a bunch of people were hollering about championships and what not… teams are gonna get up to play us and beat us. Just like each year some shitty teams shock the Lakers and Celtics, and last year everyone tried super hard against the Miami Heat.
I will say this, and I am a D’Antoni supporter, but this team shows signs of being a team that’s blocking out their head coach. I agree with the whole 20-game mark thing, but it’s definitely something to watch. A coach can’t make the players run an offense or play defense, but players usually want to for their coach. This team shows stretches of not looking like NBA players
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it’s NYC, MSG and the big stage. You have superstars and celebrities in the crowd so every scrub in the NBA will bring his best game when they play us. same thing with Miami last year because of the 3 queens. This is what happens when you bring a bunch of stars together and other teams will try harder to beat you. Dallas was smart by avoiding that headache but instead stuck with one great player and surround him with veterans, good players, and a deep roster. I agree with you.
I was just watching the Rockets vs. LAC game
and I just teared….
Kyle Lowry was the only player really playing defense on that team and have been carrying the team on his back. If only TD can be a little like him…
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