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The Knicks are fouling and getting fouled quite a lot.

I spend many of my idle matutinal hours staring at HoopData, and I'm trying to turn that into something quasi-productive so I'm not just sitting here, staring, and gnawing on my wrists in vain. I wrote part of a post presenting some stats related to the Knicks' miserable switching defense, but decided that that stuff's pretty obvious, and I already grumbled enough about it in a post last week. Basically, the Knicks switch excessively and carelessly, and it's leading to easy, assisted buckets. Opponents need only to run a pick-and-roll to set in motion a calamitous domino effect that ends in a wide-open shot. That hasn't changed in the last few games. Let's look at something else.

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How about this? The Knicks, through six games (still a small sample size, so feel free to think of these numbers as "over the last six games" instead of "this season" if you please) have committed fouls at a higher rate than anybody in the NBA. They foul 24.17 times per game, which is tied for for most in the league, and also rank first in opponent free throw rate at 36.1 (i.e. 0.36 free throws attempted/field goal attempted, as I understand it).

Why are they fouling so much? Well, I'd attribute at least part of it to that dastardly switching. Switching, when executed properly, still leads to mismatches, which probably lead to fouls. Switching, when executed improperly, leads to open men, which leads to scrambling help defense, often in the form of an outright bum-rush, which also probably leads to fouls. Beyond that, it seems like a few Knicks have been especially prone to careless fouling. Tyson Chandler and Carmelo Anthony repeatedly get caught reaching or bumping into shooters, while Toney Douglas gets called for an absurd number of "ticky-tack" fouls (to the point that I've quit blaming the refs and now wonder if Toney's surreptitiously electrocuting people or something) and Bill Walker just fancies hitting folks. Fouling a lot isn't always a bad thing, but for the Knicks, it feels like it is.

There's a pleasant flip-side to this one, though. The Knicks, as it turns out, just live for physical contact. They're fouling the most, but also drawing quite a few fouls themselves. They're fourth in the raw numbers, drawing 23.5 fouls per game, and first overall in that free throw rate statistic at 37.1 (again, that's free throws attempted over field goals attempted taken as a percentage). That's terrific, and it's likely a huge reason why they've remained even remotely productive on the scoreboard despite appearing short-handed and mostly disorganized. Carmelo Anthony leads the entire league in free throws attempted with 10.2 per game and Tyson Chandler and Amar'e Stoudemire are both close behind him in the top fifteen. All three are shooting decent enough percentages at the line, and the team as a whole is sixth in the league at just a pube under 80 percent from the line. These are all wonderful numbers, and one hopes they'll be joined by other fine offensive numbers in the near future. (The Knicks, incidentally, are middle-of-the-pack in terms of offensive efficiency, despite looking like they've been trampled by the pack. I'd imagine things are swayed considerably by that one Kings game, but still...)

So, yeah. So far this season, the Knicks have been super into illegally touching folks and getting illegally touched by folks. On defense, it strikes me more as a function of sloppiness and careless defensive rotations than it does some praiseworthy "NO LAYUPS FUCK YEAH KNOCK EM DOWN" mentality. On the other end, the Knicks' stars are doing a terrific job of getting to the line, and that might be what's keeping the Knicks' offense somewhat afloat despite massive flaws.

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Check out the big brain on Seth!

Going all advanced stats on us and whatnot.

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by Bernard King's Game Face on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

thats interesting because

part of the whoel 7 seconds or less philosophy was not fouling on defense because it stifles the offense and assures the opposing defense will be set up.

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by stingy d on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

I with they'd play faster instead of this halfcourt system

Chandler runs the floor well, so does Amar’e, it doesn’t make TD have to face an established, set defense, and Landry is infinitely better in the fast break than in the half court

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by WSD on Jan 5, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You are on a roll dude

Second time I cracked up today because of you.

On a serious note, I think you are on to something about the relationship on the defense we are TRYING to run and the fouls we commit.

Bill Walker is just trying to play dirty and getting caught. Some of his fouls are head shakers.

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by Giantssincesix on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

i bet bill waker has an insanely high fouls per minute

he gets called for more fouls in the air (while attempting layups) than i think i’ve ever seen. and just in general he shoves.

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by stingy d on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

well... thats not as bad as i would have thought.

i guess maybe he’s just the type of guy to get two stupefying quick ones.

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by stingy d on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

thats not bad??

if im reading that correctly, if he played 36 min a game last year he wouldve fouled out 82 times

by blackhova on Jan 5, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

oh no, its totally bad, laughably bad

i just thought it would be like 11 fouls per 36

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by stingy d on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

just to mess with a nit: if he had indeed fouled out, could he have played 36 minutes a game?

just kidding.

The dude fouls an awful lot. Getting into foul trouble is bad particularly when your team is already struggling with a crazy rotation. You are just introducing more volatility into it.

by cynickfan on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s sad that us fans can see how the absurd amount of switching is hurting the team, yet our coaches can’t or refuse to do anything about it.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Jan 5, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt

the coaches aren’t doing anything about it.

Its not like you can go to Melo and say: Melo stop fouling and learn how to switch better…

And it isn’t like you can all of a sudden change defensesive schemes on the dime.

I mean it takes an off-season to learn this stuff… oh wait what off-season????

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by Giantssincesix on Jan 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Other teams don’t seem to be floundering around out there.

If the coaches tell the players to switch less, they will.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 6, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i think the mindless switching

is remnants from last season where Jeffries was the one QB’ing the defense and drawing charges. maybe it doesn’t work as well with Jeffries sidelined?

by renovator on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

no they definitely did not do this SWITCH ON EVERYTHING mentality last year

they did it more than others sometimes but this is alot more and its stupidd idk if its woodson,dantoni, tysons evil genius plan to save the best for later maybe

by abe88 on Jan 5, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Its Woodson

He likes to switch if he does not have match up advantages. It is funny that D’antoni got raped for switching last season and management’s hand picked defensive guru, teaches switching More that D’antoni ever did. Now not that is is all bad. He had success with it in Philly and Detroit, but he also had better defenders doing it.

by Robert Curre on Jan 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely lots of fouling

I feel like free throws have kept us from being down 25+ points in a lot of games.

On the other end, Melo, Tyson, and Bully get some idiotic fouls. And they always tend to be either momentum-breaking or at the beginning of the game where they set a bad tone

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by WSD on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

"just a pube"

So, Seth, that means it’s a bit thicker than the standard follicular unit of measure?

by Joamiq on Jan 5, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Also

“illegally touching” and “getting illegally touched” might not be the best phrasing

by Joamiq on Jan 5, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair....

I think the coaches are trying to implement a system which in theory should work. The only player who should never ever be switching is Toney Douglas because he’s too small. Landry Fields is big enough to switch on a PF and harass him enough to not allow an easy post-up. Carmello is big enough to do the same. Chandler and Amare should be able to trap ballhandlers coming off a screen.

The problem is that we have at least two guys on the floor who are absolutely terrible defenders (Melo + Amare), two guys whose defense is vastly overrated (Fields + Douglas), and one guy who we simply can not expect to clean up all the messes. If we go by what these guys should be able to do PHYSICALLY in theory, the defense should work.

It’s pretty obvious though that without Amare and Carmello stepping up their defense consistently, it will just never work. Personally I think they should try out a zone defense, or any other trick defense. Playing straight up just doesn’t work.

by Edelorbe on Jan 5, 2012 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

He’s pretty bad majority of the time. Not saying he can’t be better, but most of the time he isn’t.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

kind of funny

Everytime I play my season nba2k12 and there is bad switch which leads to a foul, I laugh. Even in video games they look lost on defense!

by Phillip P on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

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