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Knicks 99, Wizards 96: "Why did it have to be so difficult?"

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You said it, GAx. It's great that the Knicks got a win over the Wizards tonight, but they were a basket here or a whistle there away from giving the Wizards-- an alarmingly bad basketball team-- their first win of the season. It didn't need to be nearly that close, nor that difficult, and as with previous games that ended less pleasantly, the brunt of the problem could be traced to a single quarter.

And that first period...good lord. Was that the worst quarter the Knicks have played thus far? I'll have to go back and review their previous bad quarters, (note: I will do no such thing.) but I think it was. Oh, hey, let's jump before I start rambling.

Here.

Star-divide

- But yeah, that first quarter. The Knicks did absolutely everything wrong. Amar'e Stoudemire led them in attempting and missing horrible, arrhythmic shots and turning the ball over like it was a...turnover. They shot 34 percent, committed roughly 90 turnovers, and scored just 18 points. Somehow, they were even worse on the other end. The Washington offense mostly came from the guards, with John Wall darting to the rim unobstructed, Nick Young squiggling his way through screens to get open looks, and JaVale McGee doing what I believe were interpretive dances that somehow ended in made baskets. It was really, truly horrid-- perhaps more so than anything from the preceding six games of truly horrid basketball. I think my internal monologue at the end of the quarter was "I'm not sure I like watching basketball anymore." It was pretty bad.

- Clyde wore his "fuzzy circuit board" jacket for the first time this year. His boothmate was Spero Dedes, who my ears found perfectly adequate, save for his odd habit of pronouncing "Stoudemire" as "STAT-e-mire". I can see the reasoning behind that one, but I'm pretty sure that's not how you say it.

- Amar'e Stoudemire's defense must receive its own bullet. He did some cartoonishly bad things. Stoudemire's commitment against Andray Blatche picked up later, but not until we'd seen stuff like passes whizzing right by Amar'e's head and Blatche driving directly to the rim even though Amar'e had sagged like five feet off him. On both ends, really, Stoudemire looked totally disinterested and possibly even comatose during the first quarter and portions of the second. His effort picked up later on both ends.

- That jumper's still not falling, though. Good and bad looks alike just won't drop.

- Carmelo Anthony, despite getting seven(!) of his shots blocked, was dominant. He just torched Chris Singleton in isolation, both with nifty moves to jumpers and crazysexycool drives to the rim. He and Amar'e even had a li'l two-man game going in the second quarter. Trevor Booker gave Melo more trouble in the second half, but Melo solved that by just smacking him in the face before hitting the game-winning jumper.

- Melo had 37, 7, and 4 while Amar'e had 23 and 12, his second straight double-double. They combined for 54 of the Knicks' 89 shot attempts.

- It took me too long to get to this, but Iman Shumpert did a lot to convince us that he should play point guard with the first unit. On a night in which Toney Douglas spun for just ten minutes and did nothing but grease John Wall's track to the basket, Shumpert played 37 minutes off the bench and looked exponentially better. Shump's night was far from perfect-- he missed most of his jumpers and made a few defensive mistakes-- but it was far and away the most competent outing by any Knick guard this season. He did a much, much better job against Wall, particularly in halfcourt sets, (nobody stops Wall in transition.) and snaggled five steals just by being big, long-limbed, and rowdy as hell. On offense, he did basic point guard things like dribble with his head up and body facing the basket, run a proper pick-and-roll, and make accurate entry passes to big men under the rim. These are all things that Toney Douglas cannot do-- at least not on purpose-- and it feels fair, even this early, to expect Shumpert to join the starting lineup pretty soon and move Douglas either off the ball or to the bench.

- I'm not a big fan of plus/minus, but Shump was +20 in 37 minutes. Or, said differently, the Knicks were -17 in the 11 minutes he rested. When he sat in the third quarter, Wall immediately started attacking the rim and the Wizards got 9 straight points.

- On that note, Wall and Rajon Rondo are the two guys whose baskets I tend to miss when they're playing the Knicks. They always score when I'm still looking down and typing up my notes from the previous Knicks possession.

- Some of that rest, Tina Cervasio reported, was because his legs were cramping up again. Apparently he has a problem with that, which is something we should keep in mind to avoid being terrified and stabbing ourselves in our respective faces when he abruptly leaves games in the future. Tina also reported that Carmelo Anthony's apparent groin injury was, in fact, a little tweak to his back and not a big deal at all.

- Mike Bibby! Bibby finally had a positive impact, drilling a couple massively important threes to help suppress the Washington comeback in the third quarter. Never has Clyde's "like Lazarus, risen from the dead!" line been more appropriate. Nice shooting, Mike!

- Nick Young runs like he has poop in his butt.

- Tyson Chandler was very Tyson Chandler-y in this one, grabbing nine(!) offensive rebounds and scoring 12 points primarily on free throws. He's great at scrapping for those o-bounds and even better at pump-faking fools into the air so they come down on his head. Splendid night.

- Some numbers: The Wizards had 31 fast break points. The two teams combined for 43 turnovers. Note that I selected those numbers because they are both quite high.

- If I was Rashard Lewis, I'd be worried that Chris Singleton was going to dethrone me not only as starting small forward, but as pharaoh of the Wizards.

So, the Knicks made some progress tonight. They actually beat a bad team, and they got a whiff of backcourt production in the process. The next step is to play four decent quarters instead of three decent ones and one that makes us question our very existence. To Detroit they go!

Programming note: I'm going on vacation with my familyfolks tomorrow and will be gone for a week. There won't be a Pre-Game Reconnaissance tomorrow, and I expect the Recons to either be miniature or totally absent for the rest of the week. Besides that, posts might be a bit slow and sparse, but I intend to negotiate any time differences and shitty internet connections to watch and recap the games.

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I dont know what to say

by PAK-Knick on Jan 7, 2012 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

It's shocking how bad Amar'e is at defense

Really, shocking. And would it kill someone to put one of these guards on their ass when they go to the basket? Have some balls. JVG where you at

by MaxwellD on Jan 7, 2012 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

he played with some fire last year

he’s gotta get that passion to play D back. maybe he’s thinking Ty has his back, so no big deal? iono.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 7, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Shumpert will be the starter.

No other way to explain the disparity of minutes between him and TD. I honestly feel with the pressure of being a starter off his back, TD’s play will actually improve as he fills back into his natural 6th man spot. And god I love Shumpert’s energy. Dude plays that Rucker Park defense.

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by B.Rush on Jan 7, 2012 1:59 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Don't mention Rucker...

it will magically summon Dizzy to talk about how that is where MDA belongs.

by Zhantee on Jan 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh... and related to TD...

I think taking the pressure off of him will be a good thing as long as it doesn’t further crush any confidence he had left in himself.

by Zhantee on Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

shump must start

That is all

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by zlander on Jan 7, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

shump must finish

I am distressed that he cramped up again and could not finish. It almost cost us the game. I think we must get the most shump minutes possible, but I would like him in there at the end.

New signature coming soon.

by YuckFou on Jan 7, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

My mistake

He was in at the end. Nevermind.

New signature coming soon.

by YuckFou on Jan 7, 2012 4:23 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't see the game

but I noticed Shump Shump was a plus-20.
start him, please.

by chris-9999 on Jan 7, 2012 2:23 AM EST reply actions  

don't this shit make my people wanna SHUMP SHUMP

on a sidenote, very happy with Bike Mibby’s performance

don't actually gym .....or tan.

by gymtanlandry on Jan 7, 2012 2:23 AM EST reply actions  

Mibby did his thing

had a shot of prune juice before the game…he has a flask….no, it’s not a problem he can still function. He can stop anytime! It’s ridiculous to think prune juice is ruining his life, it’s just to take the edge off. Leave Mibby alone people!

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

ALL OF US

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

D'Antoni said Shumpert will not be starting yet

But he’ll get just as many minutes as if he did. Gotta figure if they fall behind early like they did today he’ll have a quick hook

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 7, 2012 2:24 AM EST reply actions  

Whatever it's not who starts, it's who gets the minutes

TD started and barely played the second half (like 2 mins. Now, he has had an awful season really but this was an uncharacteristically bad game even for him. I think TD will get a few more chances (and Shumpert more opportunities to prove himself). Either way shump is a very integral part of this team going forward.

by DonMoosavi on Jan 7, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually it is who starts

You just can’t allow teams to regularly get a jump on you.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Coach has to handle player's mental makeup with care and precision. TD is just as important to this team as Shump. The plane needs to be gently landed not dropped from the sky.

TD’s shots need to start falling and shump needs to continue to do what hes doing and better and then the roles will gradually switch.

by bababooey2 on Jan 7, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

TD will be much better off coming off the bench as well.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Jan 7, 2012 2:30 AM EST reply actions  

Great recap as always Mr. Rosenthal!

but really, I feel the need to stress how awesome Carmelo is. I mean the game shouldnt have been on the line with 26seconds left against the Washington, but Melo took the ball and did what he pretty much always does, and that is deliver once he has a solid opportunity to make a big shot huge 4th quarter from him as always.

And of course Iman Shumpert is the PG of the future, starter until B-Davis is healthy, and will likely learn much from playing more as he gains experience.

by DonMoosavi on Jan 7, 2012 2:42 AM EST reply actions  

re Carmelo's awesomeness

Dude, he nailed the defender with an elbow, we lucked out, that was an offensive foul that wasn’t called. The man can score, but it could just as easily been a lost possession

by RichardVincentGuerin on Jan 7, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It looked like 'Melo was having his shirt tugged, so I think that's why he got away with it.

The more disturbing thing to me is the way Carmelo forces himself to make the game-winner by blowing the prior “x” possessions. I don’t think all the miscues were his, but he certainly had a role in far too many of them.

by chin8tao on Jan 7, 2012 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Your conversational partner has disconnected.

smfh

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by Ozraider on Jan 7, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

This

As the game came down the to wire, i was trying to remain calm each time they came down and went melo iso, only to have him turn it over or have his shot swatted however he had my little brother going absolutely ape. Which i guess is the best way to describe melo. can absolutely dominate like no one else, then drive you absolutely fucking nuts!!

by Nickel06 on Jan 7, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't all on Melo though

Shumpert was out the game those previous possesions, Ball movement stopped and the whole team really seemed content to revert to Melo iso…It was if as they had no plan B, what’s Melo supposed to do? Refuse to take control and pass the ball back so they can throw it to him again and again until the shot clock runs out?

The team as a whole seemed just too comfortable to give it to Melo for a bail out when Shumpert isn’t in there leading things.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He also missed 3 important shots right before that..

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Jan 7, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a really fucked up brush stroke on this mona lisa

(not to mention he was lights out and only missed those three shots after hurting his back and when he missed the first time he tried passing to amare which failed)

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Jan 7, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, Melo is a boss. I understand that.

But there’s good with bad. At one point, in the fourth quarter, our 2 superstars missed 4 shots in a row with the game on the line.

It all turned out okay, but if it didn’t people would be pissed.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Jan 7, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just pointing out that pointing out those missed shots is quibbling

especially given the circumstances.

a) that he was cringing in pain

and

b) no one else could be trusted to hit those shots

I’m not saying that it’s not something you can complain about, just that it’s pointless to

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Jan 7, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

there are a lot of very very sad people that will hate on Melo unless he shoots 75% from the field and a triple double

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by Ozraider on Jan 7, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's not true

I think there are people that recognize Melo’s sometimes middling efficiency and think the team’s offense would be better off with less isolations and more ball movement.

Also I’m pretty sure that everyone agrees that Melo has been fantastic so far this season.

by EtSuKe on Jan 7, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

add to that

no one was even trying to generate competent offense during that stretch.

I myself was wondering what happened to the beautiful ball movement then saw Shump on the sideline and was like “oh”.

The rest of the guys minus STAT and Shump are resigned to give the ball to Melo and watch.

I hardly think that is a sound plan but I don’t think it should be a knock on Anthony.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

But is the lack of movement, etc...

on the other players on the court… the coaches… or Melo himself. It’s the players jobs to obviously move. It’s the coaches job to orchestrate movement. And it’s Melo’s job to make sure ball movement DOES happen to reward to movement.

I don’t know who is to blame more than any other… but like you said LS, can’t just blame one of them.

by Zhantee on Jan 7, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that's really all I'm saying

Melo could obviously bark on fools when they aren’t moving, but it doesn’t seem to be in his character.

But If dudes aint cutting to the ball you surely can’t believe Melo should visit charles xavier to work on his mind control and take hold of our players actions against their will?

They aren’t even trying for whatever reason, maybe they feel that it’s Melo’s job but they are sitting there watching him after they dump the ball off to him and there is a contingency of people here who basically ignore this and dump the whoooole thing in Melo’s lap and blame him for all of our troubles.

Melo can work within the offense if the offense decides to actually work along with Melo and not just give him the ball and say “here you go Melo, do what you do”

I even saw a very effective two man game being played at times between Stat and Melo, which was said to be impossible to be able to do because they don’t “work together”.

We have legitimate weapons, we just haven’t learned how to use them correctly yet.

The whole thing is rather ridiculous to me.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be inflammatory

https://twitter.com/#!/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/155743443824553984

but it seems to be a common thing on teams that have Melo, other players talents don’t get utilized. I hope D’Antoni can do it though because I would really love to see how Melo can play in his system

by ubd on Jan 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You won't find me disagreeing with that

but it’s crazy to take that fact and apply it only to Carmelo Anthony.

The same is true of the Lakers and Bryant.
Durant and the Thunder.
Dwight and the Magic.

even guys like Stephen Jackson used to take shit over in Charlotte and the team would just stand there, look stupid and watch.

So this aint a new or even exclusive thing. It even used to happen when Crawford was here.

Most players on teams that have talent on par with Carmelo have a tendency of standing around and watching while the star does the heavy lifting.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not true of Durant and the Thunder

Can you really imagine a coach saying the Thunder would be easier to defend without Durant??

Re: those other teams, that style of play would be roundly criticized if any of those other teams were getting beat by the Bobcats and scraping for wins against the Wizards. Just as Jamal got labelled a chucker for constantly going 1 on 5 while the Knicks stunk up the joint.

by flossy on Jan 7, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

wait!?! maybe I misunderstand

are you telling me if you are a coach and Durant was sitting out, you wouldn’t be thanking the heavens that they’ve lost an offensive weapon?

I think I’m misunderstanding you, because you can’t be saying that.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

re: those other teams

the style of play is criticized regardless of wins and losses when it doesn’t result in 60 point performances or awe inspiring acrobatic scores.

So you are right on that note. People will criticize. But people have their own agendas, biases and fickle tendencies. So anyone can criticize…doesn’t make em right.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

also...

alot of the time it’s okayed by coaches that either want to extend that freedom to their star players or coaches that are too lazy to draw anything else up.

I won’t get into which category you guys think Dantoni falls under but rarely is it that an experienced professional player will time after time get the ball passed to him, deviate from the offense and just not give the ball up, so he can get his own shot.
The team and coach has to be cool with it or else homie is getting yanked.

Guys are going to think what they want but Melo is doing what is asked of him by teammates and coaches because he has the ability to

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He actually missed the previous SEVEN shots he took before that

And totally killed the offense prior to hitting that last shot. But who’s counting

by flossy on Jan 7, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

When do we worry that STAT is really on the decline???????!!!!!!!!!!

I’m scared guys.

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by VicTor W on Jan 7, 2012 3:03 AM EST reply actions  

not any time soon

he’s been struggle with his jumpers but he’s been crashing the boards, getting his off attacking the basket in the paint

he’s fine going forward i think. i dont see any decline.

by DonMoosavi on Jan 7, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not

He had 23 points and 12 boards on 21 shots. Yeah, it’s been an off couple weeks for him but he’s killing it on boards and the offense hasn’t really integrated him/given him the optimal looks so far this season, and his shot’s been off. I’m confident both of those things will come together, at the very least from improvement in point guard play.

My only concern with Mr. Stoudemire is his inexcusable laziness on defense. I know he’s terrible on that end but sometimes it’s like he’s not even trying. He HAS to get better at hustling to his man and putting his hands up to contest shots, not giving an inch (or 12) and half-heartedly throwing up a hand as the ball sails into the basket.

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 7, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the dude is still banged up

And adjusting to a new role

Once the mid range shot starts falling again, let’s revisit this chat. Because when he’s hitting those he has a lot more energy and confidence. Should still be doing more, but I don’t think there’s any reason to worry yet.

The checkpoint after that is boom dizzle’s return. If he’s still floundering then … well, then we can discuss panicking.

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Jan 7, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

not for a really, really long time

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 7, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Look at last night's game dude

Mr. SweatbandProliferation typed it up earlier: 23 points on 21 shots to go along with 12 boards. Without a point guard. Early in the season. I think he’ll be fine.

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by moose35 on Jan 7, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Like

Really, really need a PG. Amar’e just can’t be a useful weapon on the offense without one. It’s nice to see him try, but somebody needs to feed him good passes, and TD won’t be doing that all that much.

New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants

by moose35 on Jan 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

And someone that can knock down a consistent 3 for spacing...

our 3-pt shooting has been pretty poor in just about every game from what I remember.

by Zhantee on Jan 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather Novak get minutes than Walker to be honest

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by WSD on Jan 7, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Could TD's shoulder still be an issue?

I think he is one of those guys who stays quiet about injuries. Anyone hear anything recent on that front?

New signature coming soon.

by YuckFou on Jan 7, 2012 4:51 AM EST reply actions  

He said it felt great before the season

So he’s probably fine. He could have re-injured it, but he should be fine.

New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants

by moose35 on Jan 7, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Count me impressed by Shump

I’ve been on the shump train for a while (check the sig), but even I was impressed with his performance. I always thought he’d be a 2 guard, but he showed a real command of the point. 7 assists. He seems to have actual court vision.

I think he proved that a lot of our problems would be solved by a competent pg. I thought our problems were much deeper, but it seems like that could do the trick. Well, and a competent perimeter defender.

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Jan 7, 2012 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

TD and landry will thrive...

away from the stars, as our bench mob… or at least they better.

not a bibby fan, but at least last night, there was something that “fit” about bibby and shump in there together. shumps defense makes up for bibby’s lack of… bibby’s outside shot makes up for shumps lack of… and shumps ability to break down defenses and make them collapse will get bibby open shots.

and landry and TD’s confidences are both shot right now… give them a role. give them purpose. tell them the 2nd unit is theirs. get them away from the “broadway bigs” for a bit and let’s see if they can find their chops back.

so yeah, scarily, i’m saying start shump and bibby and have a bench mob of TD, landry, harellson and balk/walker depending.

by bucketsncents on Jan 7, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

I was thinking the same

Shump and Bibby have a chemistry and complement each other. Plus Bibby is a veteran who can set and change the pace when needed.

by YIK on Jan 7, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If I could be a pessimist here

TD’s confidence must be shot right now. He went from D’Antoni saying “Yeah, he’ll be the starting PG for a few weeks, regardless of what happens” to Shumpert being considered for as a starter before this game. And he’ll have to be seriously considered a starter if things keep going the way they’re going, especially after tonight’s game.

I hope TD excels as a 6th man. Come into the game, hit some open shots and do your thing. I just hope his confidence isn’t shot after this start to the season.

And finally, a win! Things seem so much better when the Knicks get a W. No D’Antoni bashing! Quite refreshing. Let’s keep it going against Detroit tonight.

New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants

by moose35 on Jan 7, 2012 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

TD

is a bench player SG, max, period

by dank7 on Jan 7, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Love you Seth.
Trevor Booker gave Melo more trouble in the second half, but Melo solved that by just smacking him in the face before hitting the game-winning jumper.

THAT kinda stuff is what makes P&T fatabulous.

by Crackback on Jan 7, 2012 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly though

Singleton tried to play that up by rubbing his nose to get the call, instead of sticking to the play.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

classic rookie mistake

should have just turned the other cheek

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

that had me laughing for sure.

by Zhantee on Jan 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

everything is fine

but vacation?

for a week?

what the?

j/k, enjoy Setherstein

by dank7 on Jan 7, 2012 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

Whether Toney starts or comes off the bench

is immaterial. Whether he plays point guard or shooting guard is of the utmost importance and we have GOT to go with a Shump/Bibby rotation at the 1 and keep Toney only at the 2 from now on.

His confidence has got to be shot, but that’s what happens when you force a guy to try to do something he can’t really do. We’ll have to get it built up again, as a 2.

Amar’e has a much different role defensively with Chandler there. He’s not a super-smart defender, but I think he’ll adjust to his new role and stop looking quite so crappy within a few games.

Progress, I guess. They still have a long way to go.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

gonna keep sayin' it...

TD and landry to embrace their new roles as our “broadway bench mob”, with jorts and balk/walk rotation. bibby and shump complete each other.

by bucketsncents on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

STAT will find his range

… and we will be fine, especially after we get a reliable floor leader set in Davis / Shump. Jorts / Jeffries / JJ will effectively spell Amare / Chandler and that will let stat be stat without having to spell chandler as well.

No, I am not worried about stat.

I AM worried about Landry. He was such an effective glue guy last year. I get the impression that being pushed from rookie to near veteran in 8 months has screwed him up. I hope we take a lesson out of that and don’t do the same to shump. They are both rookies. And they should be treated as such.

We shouldn’t just forget that.

by cynickfan on Jan 7, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

What has happened to TD's D lately?

When a guard is attacking him in the paint he looks clueless, Rondo killed us in the play-offs doing this (and on xmas day) and Wall got several points simply by running at Toney, he needs to do something to stop it, even if it’s a foul.

NO MORE LAYUPS TD! Please

Apart from the 1st quarter and about 5 mins of the 2nd, it was quite rereshing to see us actually playing some half-decent basketball for a change.

There was one play, where Melo played a deicious pass to Amar’e for a dunk that i’d like to see more of.

Lets have plenty more of it tonight please boys

by Bertilad on Jan 7, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

I'll agree that those are tow of the best

but Toney looks completely clueless, for one of our best defenders this is a worry

by Bertilad on Jan 7, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I started to think towards the middle of last year that Toney's defense is pretty overrated.

He hustles like a maniac and has heart 3 sizes too big, but that’s basically it. I guess that translated to good defense in college when he could just speedbug his way into harassing the shit out of other guards, but in the NBA where everyone’s bigger, stronger, and faster, it seems like he’s just flailing out there and not really impeding anyone.

The difference between Shump’s defense and Toney’s was pretty eye-opening last night. I mean if Wall’s one of the fastest in the league and feasted on Toney while he couldn’t really impose his will on Shump, I think that’s a fair data point to consider when comparing our two guards.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Jan 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I swear he didn't look this bad last season

could be just me tho. Maybe he’s skittish on D now because he thinks he’ll reinjure his shoulder playing the same way? I really don’t know. Just speculating but he really didn’t look this bad against everybody last year.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering about that too

He definitely wasn’t guarding the primary ball handler all the time last year.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Aww..Baron

“There’s an excitement here, a willingness to be together and everybody has bought in,” Davis said. “For me, really this is the first time in my career where all I’ve got to do is come in and be a point guard. This is a team, man. It’s been a while since I was on a team that’s all about team, and with a coaching staff that has a commitment to team and playing the best basketball. … It’s a chance to have a clean slate and not be judged, and to have the right opportunity with the right people I believe in.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/01/06/baron.davis/

by ubd on Jan 7, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

It’s a chance to have a clean slate and not be judged

HA! That’s what he thinks.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Apparently...

Mr. Davis has never read this blog!!!

by NY Tony on Jan 7, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So far the 2011 draft doesn't look as weak as the "experts" said it would. (why am i not surprised)

I know its only 6-7 games but Irving, D. Williams, tristan, knight, kemba, markieff, iman, marshon, cole look like the real deal.

not to mention a few who haven’t gotten enough playing time but have shown real potential: kanter, vucevic, leonard, thompson and burks.

by bababooey2 on Jan 7, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Start Shump and Toney

I know this move would kill our bench scoring but If Shump runs the point Toney can sit behind the 3 point line and think nothing but shoot. They can then switch on defense with Toney attempting to guard the PG and Shump guarding the larger SG.

I am convinced that Toney has ADHD, ever see him interviewed? He can’t keep still and he’s always jittery and looking everywhere except at the interviewer.

by DaShipBeSinkin on Jan 7, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

I have ADD

and I honestly have thought this about Amar’e, he genuinely wants to do something but just loses focus sometimes. I’d be will to share my adderall either way though

don't actually gym .....or tan.
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Jan 7, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Toney should guard the shooting guard

Yeah, maybe he gives up a couple of inches, but he’s strong. I think his defensive style may be better suited to playing a shooting guard without the ball.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

By my count

Toney Douglas took good shots, just didn’t hit them.

If we put Shump in the starting lineup, I hope TD moves to the bench, not Landry. Fields’ confidence will be took shaken, and Douglas would do well off the bench methinks.

BTW, have a nice trip, Seth!

KNICKS NOW
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!

by WSD on Jan 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed on all counts!

TD can really blossom in a 6th man role, we know that. Landry might shrink again. Let TD try being a leader off the bench. I mean, he’s playing badly, it’s all the press is talking about, that’s not great for his confidence either methinks.

Happy travels, Seth!

by Jackaroe on Jan 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

if delivered carefully...

i think TD and landry could fully embrace new roles as the bench mob with jorts and walk/balk. they’re both smart, young, and team oriented and if they bought in, the lineup could really bolster a full squad rotation. shump and bibby complement each other well.

by bucketsncents on Jan 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Landry's confidence is already shaken...

I mean Landry is a smart guy and I think he’s got to realize that he is playing far below his potential. Everytime he touches the ball he looks scared and like he doesn’t want to be there.

by robk on Jan 7, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The halfcourt system does not fit Landry's game

He needs a fast PG like Felton last year. He might do better with Shump if he’s pushing the pace. Or for example, last year in the halfcourt, Chandler and Gallo spread the floor, and Amar’e really was the only guy in the paint or the elbows, so Fields could sneak backdoor and would usually be found for easy layups and stuff by any one of the other 4.

To Landry’s credit, I’ve seen him make some nice cuts to the basket, either on curls or backdoor and just doesn’t get found because we don’t have the type of passers or because it’s too crowded with Melo, Amar’e and Tyson.

If we can get an uptempo game going, either with Shump or B Diddy pushing the pace, I guarantee we’ll see an improvement in Landry

KNICKS NOW
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!

by WSD on Jan 7, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is, though

I think Shump/Toney is our best defensive backcourt and I’d like to start the game that way.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Though

What do I know? Shump / Landry could work.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations to the Players

Now fellas stop listening to coach D’Antoni and play for each other more.
Why?
It is time for this idiot and his staff to go for the better of the fifteen guys on this team.

Reading in Saturday’s paper that the idiot says he will consider replacing T.Douglas with I.Shumpert. Then he says that he does not want to take out L.Fields out of the starting lineup because it will hurt his confidence.
The coach is a outright moron. He will take Douglas out but not the circle in the square hole regarding L.Fields.
L.Fields is not a starting shooting guard and never will be.
T.Douglas at the point and I.Shumpert at the two works much better for the backcourt.
Round pegs go into round holes.
James. L. Dolan it is time to let the whole staff go including M.Woodson.
C.Laettner, J.Sloan, P.Westphal and adding C.Oakley, K.Tripuka to the staff is a start.
We have a good group of character players. We just have a moron and whole staff of bad baggage assisting him.
Paying him eight million a year was a joke, however, it is what it is.

by Dziedzic on Jan 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

You are absolutely right! but remember Dizzy

sometimes an orange is tapioca and a bird is a squirrel. When all things are expected rain drops fall.

but I shouldn’t have to explain any of this to you. You’re smart, so you get it.

Go Knicks!

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the snozberries taste like snozberries

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"Go NY Go"

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would you leave Douglas at the point?

I’d have the backcourt as Shumpert Fields and TD as the 6th man

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Although statistic-wise, Fields look awful, I think he’s been doing more right than wrong on the court.
Benching TD might be a better decision due to the fact that he’s been taking lots of shots (conflicting with the stars) and missing and also giving only like 1 great pass per game. Defensive-wise, he’s like invisible when he’s suppose to be a great defender. Point guards from, D.J. Augustine to John Wall, have been going pass him like nothing .

by CookieOs on Jan 7, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

More right then Wrong?

The guy cannot dribble the ball or create his own shoot.
At the two guard you are suppose to do both things to be successful.
He is only and nothing more a solid backup at SF.

by Dziedzic on Jan 7, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his point is that it is less damaging to the team to have patience with Fields than with Douglas

I agree with that. I also think Fields is underperforming his true talent, even if his talent is below the ROY contender he was early last season.

by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 7, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

W.Chandler at the 3 = championship.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 8, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Seth

enjoy your vacate! Hopefully you’ll get some rest, take a long siesta and realize that these games have just been turrble turrble dreams.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Seth

Not sure why my comment looks like I’m just creepily typing your name over and over again. It’s very weird and disturbing. I only do that on the weekends, so I don’t know what gives. Anyone else seeing that?

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Jan 7, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao

nice!

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Jan 7, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

my 2yr son said shump yesterday (probably cause i was yell shump shump in excitement)

its a prophesy iman shumpert is our point guard messiah! lol

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Jan 7, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

yelling**

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Jan 7, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Father of the Year.

Slather that kid’s room in blue and orange man. Blue and orange.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That's so much better

than the words I learned to say while my Dad was watching the championship Knicks slide into mediocrity in the mid to late seventies!

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Jan 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that his first word?

I hope I can be half as good of a father as you are.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Jan 7, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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