Knicks 103, Pistons 80: "That was refreshing."
Oh man, we all needed that. The Knicks played a bad Pistons team missing several rotation players and did exactly what they should do against a bad Pistons team missing several rotation players. They shared the ball and the shot attempts, fought for rebounds, and defended aggressively as a unit. And sure enough, the balanced two-way effort earned them a blowout win against the meek competition. Funny how that happens, isn't it?
The Knicks finally dispensed with a bad team, which, like Lord Smackington said in the game thread, was quite a refreshing departure from previous games. Take the jump for notes on a very pleasant evening.
- The point guard shufflin' was probably the story of the evening, so let's begin there. Iman Shumpert started and did some wonderful things. Shump's minutes actually dropped slightly because of foul trouble, (That's one demerit for the evening. Shump picked up two in the first, then had to sit with a third seconds after returning) but he had plenty of time to make an impact, and did so on both ends of the floor. On defense, Shump did a splendid job of keeping Brandon Knight on the perimeter, (though, to be fair, Knight seemed perfectly content to stay there and hit 5 of of 13 threes) and gave other folks troubles when he found himself switched. With the ball, Shump was occasionally out of control, (as in the case of that third foul, which was an ill-conceived baseline drive that led to a charge) but mostly looked sharp and confident and made simple, useful plays. He didn't just go out there and heave jumpers-- which was a worry of mine going in-- and, in fact, made two gorgeous plays in which he split two defenders, penetrated, drew help, then dumped off to Amar'e Stoudemire for easy dunkin'. His ability to penetrate and collapse the defense is monumentally important, and we haven't even really seen him finish much yet (though he clearly can). Later on, he caught baseline alley-oops on passes from Tyson Chandler(!) and Jerome Jordan(!!!11). I'd call Shump's first start a success.
- Toney Douglas didn't exactly flourish as his back-up. His five minutes running point at the end of the first constituted New York's worst stretch of the game. The word later on was that his shoulder was acting up, perhaps because he got absolutely splattered by a Greg Monroe screen. Anyway, Toney didn't play again after those five minutes, perhaps because...
-...Mike Bibby was on goddamn fire! Again! The li'l Muppet sank four threes, and was instrumental in the second quarter run that pretty much ended the game. He also made a concerted effort to push the pace off misses and takeaways (of which there were many during that stretch) and notched 3 assists. That's pretty much a perfect Mike Bibby game. Nicely done, Mike Bibby.
- I swear one of Bibby's threes hit the underside of the rim, but, for some reason, had enough topspin on it to flip up and through the cylinder. Two wrongs DO make a right!
- Meanwhile, the purest point guard of the evening was Carmelo Anthony, who compensated for a 5-14 shooting performance with 7 assists, most of which were lobs or entry passes that ended in Tyson Chandler dunking and shouting a lot. Those two have a nice thing going, particularly when Chandler slips his screens very early. Melo also put one DOWN on Greg Monroe off a great feed from Stoudemire (and a nice Bibby screen):
- On the whole, was this not one of the dunkingest Knicks games you've ever seen? Melo had that one, Shumpert caught those two oops, Amar'e Stoudemire crammed a few (including one in Jason Maxiell's mouth), Bill Walker had a nice baseline drive, Renaldo Balkman tip-smashed in garbage time, and Chandler got to shout so many times. There were easily a dozen dunks, and it occurs to me that this new starting lineup is populated with very talented dunkers from top to bottom. All the more reason to attack the basket!
- Besides his neat slam jams, Amar'e had another streaky outing. His decision-making wavered from one possession to the next, with a few plays ending in gorgeous, in-rhythm shots or great feeds like the one above (4 assists) and others ending in rushed shots or drives directly into somebody's chest. He was, however, the only Knick to get to the line consistently (6-8), and he finished 8-15 for 22 points, 8 boards, 4 assists and 2 steals. Not bad at all.
- Besides Bibby, Josh Harrellson was the only major contributor off the bench. Jorts got a little heave-happy again (1-5 from downtown), but also led the team with four offensive rebounds (several of which he put back) in 23 minutes. The guy does have a knack for turning awkward plays into baskets just like has a knack for turning awkward denims into a signature look.
- Speaking of signature looks, Harrellson took a Jason Maxiell elbow to the eye, got himself a pretty nice shiner, and barely flinched because HE'S DIRT STRONG.
- The boxscore says Chandler had 3 offensive rebounds and Stoudemire had just 2, but there were stretches, particular in the first half, where it seemed like every missed shot got batted around by those two until it dropped. This pleases me.
- Landry Fields had a lot of trouble stopping Ben Gordon's rightward drives early on, but played a decent enough game (8 points, 5 boards), and presumably picked up the D on Gordon, because the perennial Knick-killer went cold after the first and finished with 9 turnovers to boot. I'd still like to see Landry hit more than one of four three-pointers.
- Greg Monroe played pretty well, even against Chandler. It kinda seemed like everybody forgot Monroe's a lefty. Jorts did have one great play where he just ripped the ball out of Greg's hands, though.
- I should add that I really, really like Monroe. He looks like he drinks straight molasses.
- At the end of Bill Pidto's basketball-highlights-set-to-heavy-percussion-with-an-arbitrary-countdown segment, the producers inexplicably highlighted a fairly mundane C.J. Watson tweet about missing his daughter's first basketball game but hoping that she "got buckets" like her dad. Pidto then cracked a joke about Watson's daughter preferring not to emulate him because he averages six points a game. I'm not sure why that bugged me so much. Just seems like a long reach to make a weak, mean-spirited joke without any appropriate context.
- Shumpert's most endearing moment of the night, besides those drop-offs to Amar'e, was probably when the MSG cameras caught him bending over to help someone on the sideline pick up a bunch of spilled popcorn. Such a gentleman, that Iman. No word on whether or not he invoked the five-second rule.
- I should mention that the Pistons were without Rodney Stuckey, Austin Daye, and Charlie Villanueva in this one. I don't mean that to devalue the win or anything; it was the kind of game the Knicks SHOULD have won by 20 or more, and they did.
- Ben Wallace-- who I love and is in great shape and played well, I should mention-- is unmistakably going gray, and now I want him to grow the afro back out so he looks like Cedric The Entertainer in the classic film Barbershop.
- Jeremy Lin scored his first basket as a Knick! I did not see it because I was really into this cookie I was eating. Still proud of you, Jerm.
- Kind of cool to see the Knicks produce a 100+ point win without relying on three-pointers or free throws. They just got the ball inside and executed. That tickles me just so.
And that is all. It was a wonderful evening and exactly the kind of game these Knicks should have against a threadbare lineup like Detroit's. They played as a team, turned good defense into fluid offense, and, most importantly, did so through all four quarters. Their second straight win moves them back to .500 at 4-4. Up next is a rematch with the Bobcats on Monday. I think it'd mean a lot to all of us if they could avenge Wednesday's loss and keep this momentum rolling.
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It was really nice of them for not making me want to scratch my eyes out or wanna throw up!
So thanks Knicks bro’s!
Shump Shump Yall !!
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maybe this will be something of a turning point . . .
the pistons are very very bad, but there were some nice trends. amare, carmelo, and shumpert looking to dish was nice.
and shumpert is already a lot better than toney lol. toney needs to go work on his ball handling skills with a coach. he cannot get in the lane at all. shumpert will soon be able to get in with ease. i think having shumpert start at the point until bdiddy is back is the right move for now.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
hustle horder
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
can't wipe this dopey smile off my face
on a sidenote, did anyone else notice Ty’s jersey get tugged on more than once and still no call?
hyped for monday! hopefully MSG won’t be as ruthless as last time…
don't actually gym .....or tan.
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yea I swa that too
Tyson gets hacked more than a little bit
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
*"saw that too"
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly I missed the game
The boxscore says Chandler had 3 rebounds and Stoudemire had just 2,
So the boxscore was as close as I got. In fact those were offensive rebounds. Chandler had 9 and Mare 8. Otherwise I am sure you got everything else right.
New signature coming soon.
I think he was implying O-boards since he was talking about missed shots
but that threw me off too
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 8, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
Bogans looks like a done deal
People are saying he’ll be available Monday vs. the Bobcats. I like the signing.
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Wha??
Didn’t see this. Where’s it at?
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
The only source is
that cracked.fm site. Tommy Dee re-tweeted the story, but no other source has said anything. Hahn said he hasn’t heard anything about the signing, but didn’t say it’s not happening. Dunno yet.
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by Ozraider on Jan 8, 2012 5:30 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Excellent disciplined display
Did exactly what they needed to do, and even showed a bit of chemistry coming together.
I dont want to get too over-hyped as the Pistons were diabolical, but this win could be the start of something., even Amar’e showed some effort on D, which was pleasing
My favourite play of the night was the Jerome – Shump Shump Alley-oop.
Thats all for now, I shall just leave you with this…
Mama do the Shump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxEINSBsbeo
They did what a good team is supposed to do to a bad team that is short handed
get up big on them and then don’t give them hope. Pretty much guys just earned their paychecks tonight.
by Robert Curre on Jan 9, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Mars called. They want you back.
I’ll never stop hating H2(no-)O, with his non-existent defense and his watered-down offense.
I apologize to any Martians I may have offended...
… but we’re Knick fans! Of course each of us must have a good sense of humor. Still, if you want me to be civil to Martian78, I certainly shall obey.
If you want me to be civil to Allan Houston, you might as well ban me right now.
I wad not a fan
of h20 either.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, i was not his fan either( Starks is my favorite Knick from that time), but there is a long way from hating someone and not being a fan, no?
I didn't think he had enough heart but I did think he was a pretty likeable guy tho
I had nothing against allan but I did loathe his 100 milly contract…worst idea eveeeer
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The whole point of my post was that the win against the Pistons remainded me of the time when Allan and Grandma posterized weaker teams, nothing more. And i certanly didnt want to hail Allan… but he did gave us some memorable moments…
I think i should have mentioned Chris Childs instead of Allan :).
Ahh... Chris Childs...
… I can’t help but smile every time I think about him. It’s almost like remembering the time I lost my virginity.
Not that I’m any kind of judge of character, but you’re ALLLL right, Martian78.
am I the only one wondering why Chris Child's reminds you of this special special time?
as if Chris Child’s isn’t special enough already!
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 9, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Im Knicks fan for 20+ years, im 34 now, so i’ve seen 90% of the Knicks games since 1992… The win against the Pistons remainded me of the JVG era, i had the same feeling then as i had it in the 4th quarter of the game, easy win, normal, almost effortless, everything went smooth…. And forgive me for being too emotional but for me the Knicks will never be normal franchise like the Heat or the Suns or whatever, its been 20 years without even 1 championship so my tolerance is running out, thats why i dont support mediocre players in the Knicks roster, i’ve seen enough of them in the past 20 years so now i see it simple, or you have it, or you dont, its useless to defend mediocre players who for some reason or other simply dont deliver and never will.
I had never thought about the reason for the connection before...
… but now that you mention it, she did sort of look like Chris Childs. Thing is, I think her moustache was thicker.
Anyway, Lori Foreman, if you are out there, that dark walk-in closet at the Oakwood in Alexandria, VA. will always have a special place in my heart. Thank you, girl.
+1 for dark walk in closets!
groovy dude.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 10, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Allan Houston is my favorite player
i dont care what yall say, his jumper was (and still is) sweeter than Grand ma ma’s Iced Tea. if yall want to hate him, hate him for the 100 mil contract, but he had heart and skills, he was robbed of his career by his knees. im sure yall dont think Brandon Roy is a bum yet he signed a big contract and his knees held him up at gun point
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't speak for everyone but I didn't hate him as a person or player
I just hated that the GM offered him that contract. Thought he was too one dimensional to be earning that type of money but honestly If I’m Allan, I’m taking that money too.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 9, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I dislike Houston in every way.
I just can’t reconcile the “humble man-of-God” and the $100 million cap-destroyer. WWJD? Jesus would have left the blingy on the table.
Also, Grandmama’s Iced Tea sounds like a dirty Larry Johnson euphemism. Maybe it would be something like a pearl necklace, but on a T-shirt? I don’t want to think about it anymore.
Jesus woul have took that doe
You know how many building funds it takes to get 100 milly?!?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 10, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
worthy to note...
that melo had 13 points. i know he had 30-something shots the win before to get his 37 points, but i think we’re be a much better team with better shot distribution… which melo NEEDS to buy into. when all guys are contributing, they’re more involved at both ends.
melo can be there at the end… but only the end and an average amount during.
overall a very strong showing. guys filled their roles.
nice work balkman and bibby
I don't agree with that
Why should Melo only be allowed “x” number of shots? He didn’t have it going tonight as much, had a sore hip and knee and his teammates were playing well, so he passed to them, which is great. But when Melo starts going bananas, like he does once every couple of games, he should be the one taking shots. Doesn’t have to be stagnant iso-offense either.
But yeah, Balkman was a beast.
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it's not that he shouldn't be "allowed"...
but even his players have said sometimes they get lulled into watching him do his thing. it just makes any team more dangerous and harder to defend when the threats come from all over… and it will keep them more engaged in the game, defensively, cutting harder and faster etc.
obviously if he’s hot, we can feed him, but overall, it’s much better for the team to play offense and defense as a team.
by bucketsncents on Jan 8, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I get your point
What I never got, though, was why a Melo iso means the players stand around and watch him? When you see him going 1 on 1, how about trying some off-ball screens, cuts to the basket, things like that. Once Melo starts with the jab steps, everybody watching knows he’s going to shoot the ball. How about making it slightly possible that he might also pass the rock?
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Once Melo starts with the jab steps, everybody watching knows he’s going to shoot the ball. How about making it slightly possible that he might also pass the rock?
I think you answered your own question there.
because his teamates usually stand there doe eyed and watch him
When there is movement and the whole team is playing as one it’s quite possible you’ll see more play making from him. Everyone who has problems with Melo iso’s need to watch what the rest of the team is doing at that time. It doesn’t even to begin to make sense to pass in that situation if no one is trying to get open.
So is Carmelo to blame for this? He probably has something to do with it but it probably has more to do with his teammates being comfortable with him doing it and the coaching staff advocating it.
I know I won’t change your mind floss, but I gotta give the alternate side of the argument so people can make up their own minds.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying, there are some possessions where it's just obvious he's gonna get one up
like, before he even crosses halfcourt. If I can tell that from my couch, I’m 100% sure his teammates know it too. I’m not knocking his talent and obviously he often scores in those situations despite the fact that the other 9 guys on the court all know it’s coming, but if you’ve ever played with a guy like that you know how it is. Once they get that tunnel vision, running around to get open is a waste of energy.
even if that's true, which is not out of the question at all
doesn’t mean his teammates are supposed to leave him with the bag and just stop trying. That’s what ends up breaking the offense and stopping the ball.
Not to say there aren’t times someone will cut and he’ll look them off or miss them, because that hurts the offense just as well. I’m not totally deaf to what you’re saying.
But more times than often from what I’ve seen, they don’t even try to get open at times, which is not Melo’s fault at all.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
People do you know what an Iso is?
Back in my day it was called a clear out. When Melo calls for an iso, it by nature limits player movement because you do not want to bring a defender into a potential driving lane or bring another help defender over. The problem is not the iso, which is designed to get your best one on one player a shot against single coverage, but when Melo isos. Isos with a lot of time left in the shot clock is simply bad team basketball. Melo should Iso, he is good at it. And the Knicks will need him to iso, infact they got him so they could have a player who could Iso, but he needs to look for it later in the shot clock say around 7 seconds or less (no pun intended) so that the offense doesn’t bog down. When Melo does it right he does not stagnate an offense, however when he goes early in the clock or falls in love with the play as can happen with him then it is bad news.
by Robert Curre on Jan 9, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you
In a true isolation, the rest of your teammates are not supposed to be cutting through the lane because they’ll be dragging their men with them and getting in your way. There’s only so open you can “get” when you and three other guys are parked out by the 3 point line on other side of the court as someone who breaking down his man in isolation.
Thank You?
lol, so dude, how do you keep complaining Melo is a ball hog if the offense…designed by the coach is advocating him to do exactly what he’s doing? I know what an iso is, but you kept harping on the fact he keeps chucking up shots.
I’m just saying, his teammates stand there and watch him do what he do without making an effort to provide any other viable options and it seems as if the coach condones it.
Like Robert said he should, because he’s that good at it. It also comes in handy 4th qtr when he needs to pull our fat out the fire. But to criticize the dude so heavy for it when all he is doing is what the team asks of him seems a bit much.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 9, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
If he's supposed to be the point forward, running our offense
and he’s just calling his own number, I mean… what other conclusions can you draw?
D’Antoni is not a coach that calls plays from the sideline. Given the choice between Toney Douglas fucking everything up and Melo just ISOing a lot he’d obviously prefer Melo doing his thing. That doesn’t mean that’s a good way to run an offense just the best of a bunch of bad options.
If you want evidence that MDA would prefer to run the offense through someone else and cut down on the number of clear-outs for Melo, look no further than the fact that as soon as our rookie guard was healthy he was playing the bulk of minutes at PG and Melo was handling the ball less, and consequently every second play was not a clear-out for Melo.
I'm not sayin MDA wouldn't prefer something else
but like you said If MDA also thinks it’s the best option how does all the criticism and blame for any of these poor offensive outings go all on Carmelo Anthony.
I’m just saying, it’s a team thing and not a Carmelo taking the basketball hostage thing. Or I should say, It’s not Carmelo taking anything hostage without prior approval from MDA. and the team being comfortable with it, so how is it okay for dude to take all the blame?
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 10, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
i totally agree with you
i wont say whole heartedly that the coaches advacate “get out the way and let melo rock” but everything else im in total agreement! if everybody and their momma know Melos gonba “shoot” why not get a back door screen to the basket or a screen to diagonal cut like how Fields did on one play? it aleviates the pressure off Melo to have to “shoot” his way out everytime. Amar’e setting a double pick at the opposite key, first pick is a PnR for Chandler to head to the basket and the other pick to free up a shooter at the three or inside. and if melo passes to chandler thats a basket or to the shooter who rotates to Amar’e who can shoot it or rotate to the corner 3
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That only works when players have confidence that Carmelo is going to find them
Carmelo has a tendency to get tunnel vision when he Isos, but then again so do most guys who Iso, because they are focused on beating that guy. Guys will move when they believe that the guy with the rock will get them the ball. The Celtics kept moving when Bird had the rock, because they knew if I get open Larry will get the ball to me. If Ainge ran off a weakside screen and was wide open and Bird kept launching, then human nature says why bother. It was because Ainge knew that moving without it, may get him a shot that he kept moving. If you are not rewarding guys, then guys stop doing things.
by Robert Curre on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
but thats why they could run the play in practice
im not talking about just go put and do it mid game, practice and gain confidence in the play
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What happens in practice and what happens in games is totally different
in the heat of a game guys tend to revert back to habit. Guys do things in practice all the time that never see the light of day in games.
I'm not going to disagree with any of that
but again if they don’t try (for whatever reason) then there is no pass to be thrown and it’s a moot point anyway.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Jan 9, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Really agree with the analysis of the Pidto segment.
MSG probably should just do away with it entirely. Berman does an entire day’s worth of NFL highlights in 3 minutes, but they give Pidto two-and-a-half for stuff like the C.J. Watson thing? I’d rather stare at pimples on Allan Houston’s ass for two minutes, then have a thirty-second moment of silence for the ones that got popped.
Pidto is a clown
Can’t they dump this buffoon? At least tie his hand so he can’t always wave them around like a mechanical toy. Just very annoying.
by RealRangerFan on Jan 8, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
It's so easy for Amar'e to dominate efficiently when he's playing with a point guard who knows what he's doing
He isn’t dominant at the moment – not with that jumpshot being so stinky – but even with the missed wide open 15’s, he still finished shooting over 50% in this game. Amar’e’s going to start giving teams fits again once he gets his jumpshot sorted out, and then once Baron Davis shows up, assuming he plays well, I think we’re going to see the best Amar’e, offensively, that New York has ever seen.
This just made me very happy
I thought his jumpshot looked pretty solid overall, and he was definitely attacking the basket more.
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
he's certainly starting to get going
over the 2nd quarter of the of the wizards game and into this one, he’s looked much better, which has alleviated my main concern about the team
Good win!
It was nice to see this thing turn into a blowout by the 2nd quarter. Only caught the Knicks in 60, so I didn’t get to see Shump too much, so how did he look as PG all in all?
We need another blowout win Monday against Charlotte to get the ball rolling because the schedule gets tough from there.
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my god....
Look at Melo in that picture
"It's just pain."
by FIRESATHER327 on Jan 8, 2012 9:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts on the game

Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 8, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
HA!
couldn’t have said it better. nice.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops
Accidentally used the same pic for my own recap. Sorry, Seth, I’ll change that
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Looks like a nice blog man
Gonna be checking that out throughout the season.
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I gotta say
I really like our draft class this year. Shumpert just seems to have “it” about him, I dunno if he’ll be a superstar or anything, there’s a lot to his game that needs work and he’ll never get the shots anyway playing with Mare and Melo for the next few games before he’s traded years. And Jorts reminds me of a less offensively talented, much more defensively competent David Lee. I just love dude’s hustle and he’s just the sort of dude that gets the most out of his limited athletic ability.
Just pisses you off even more that we don’t have draft picks ever again. I’d love to see us add some more young talent, but nah..fuck that right.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Good news is
they have a pretty good track record of buying picks late in the draft. Toney Douglas…Harrellson’s already a rotation player..Jordan looks like a worthwhile project…
i think jordan will pan out
he’s got all the tools, including the desire to be on the court (so it seems). he just needs to adjust a little bit to the speed and power of the nba game. not expecting anything too lofty out of him- but i think in a year or two we can bring him in for chandler and have few concerns.
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i’ve been more impressed than less in the few minutes jordans been out there. it’d be real nice if jordan and jorts could back up tyson and stat for the next few years.
by bucketsncents on Jan 8, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Jordan looks like a solid enough backup
Definitely needs to bulk up, but he’s got nice footwork, he’s corralled some rebounds in his time on the floor, he’s blocked some shots…. Hell, he threw an alley-oop to Iman Shumpert!
Practicing with the likes of Tyson Chandler, Amar’e Stoudemire, and even Jared Jeffries can’t hurt his development
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wish we had ewing on our bench...
to teach jordan some low post moves. there’s something oakish and ewingish about jorts and jordan… not much… but something.
by bucketsncents on Jan 8, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Eh that's a big stretch
But somehow we’ve had success developing young players.
TD, Landry, Shump, Jorts, Jordan looks like he could be part of that…. even going back to Chandler, Gallo, and Mozzie who had his best games with the Knicks. Granted, some of that is just natural talent and ability that those players already had, but regardless, they’ve all pretty much turned into or look to be rotation players with us
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
and to think
one of the biggest knocks on d’antoni when he first came to new york was his inability to get anything out of rookies.
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not even gonna lie
I had my reservations with him on that issue myself
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
He was pretty stubborn for a bit
I used to get so mad when he’d never play Jordan Hill or Toney Douglas. But then he started giving TD burn and since he’s been very liberal with rookies’ minutes
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Guys that deserve minutes, get ’em for the most part. (cough, Anthony Randolph, cough)
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anthony randolph sucked!
he is really dumb is his problem. can’t play within a team offense. that’s the best way to be useless for mike d’antoni.
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yea the bulb seems a bit dim on that dude
Did you see him look off Rubio the other night to try and lead the break himself. He was Instantly benched about 30 seconds later.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 9, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
that shit was great
cus not only did he look off rubio- there were two guys wide open on the left wing, and he passed it to right wing.
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didn't see it but that is the exact same nonsense he would pull with us
so i believe it
then again, amare tried to run the break TWICE against the warriors. amare, you have hands the size of frying pans. you can’t dribble.
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if you have the smarts and the desire
you’ll make a name for yourself with d’antoni.
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13mpg with nuggets this year.....the "hold up" in the melo trade..lol
wonder what stale crow tastes like.
He wasn't the hold-up because of talent
It was a matter of Denver asking for more, and more, and more. They were pushing the Knicks’ management’s buttons and they thought they had a deal and then Denver asked for Mozgov, and it was nearly the final straw.
I hate when people scoff when he became the “hold up”
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Not true
He wasn’t amazing or a big difference-maker, but he was earning time on the court.
His game log from last year:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4298/year/2011/timofey-mozgov
After that one huge game against Detroit, he played 7 games. Take out that one big game, and in those final 7 games he averaged:
7.3 ppg, 54% FG, 5.4 rpg, and 1.1 bpg.
Nothing to go nuts over, but that’s definitely backup-center worthy. He was starting to find his groove
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but he was SO GOOD that one game!
eating that DOMINANT pistons front court alive!
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I know
but its more so the Shumpert pick, we ain’t buying a top 20 pick. Guys like TD, Landry, Jorts, Jordan, they’re all good role players
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Right?
I’ve found Jerome Jordan to be very worthwhile. He’s actually impressed in his time on the floor.
This upcoming draft is stacked too. I think management should throw down some real dough this June to get a 1st rounder. Or even a 2nd rounder, I don’t know if we have any picks this year, but this seems like a solid draft.
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yea Jordan does look like he can play
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sorta easy to follow breakdown
of the very complicated pick process we got goin on.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
basically we have a first round pick, BUT houston has the right to take it away from us, unless its in the top 5. and that lasts until the year 2015. i think it might be a swap positions thing. but i’m not clear about that.
also we have a second round pick, if our second rounder is in the top 55. so thats a pretty decent bet.
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Yeah it's fairly complicated
Can Houston keep taking our pick away each year until 2015 (unless it’s top 5)? Or is it they get to choose ONE draft to take a pick from us between now and 2015. If it’s just 1 pick, it’s really not too bad of a deal.
I feel pretty confident that a 2nd rounder or late 1st rounder can always be bought. And lately we’ve been drafting pretty well/ developing youngsters pretty well, so I’m actually not too worried about our ability to try and continue to gather youngsters to develop for the future. Long as we don’t trade them all away….
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
its just one pick
and if they never use it, it morphs into two second rounders i guess.
if this is part of the jeffries deal, its definitely just a swap tho. so we should have a pick this year in the- how you say- “stacked” draft.
we’ll probably be anywhere in the 15-25 range.
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I heard somewhere along the line that this draft has the potential to be the best since '03
I don’t follow college hoops, but from what I’ve seen there are a lot of talented players, and if others are saying so as well, I wouldn’t mind trying to dip into it.
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Would not be surprised if they try to feature someone to get picks
Would not be see Toney Douglas getting a bump in focus to become trade bait for a late first rounder. He just doesn’t fit this team, but a team who needs a scorer might want a bite.
i watched a lot of college ball during the lockout.
but generally don’t watch too much, and absolutely have limited knowledge.
but there’s a guy on indiana named christian watford who has impressed me.
there’s also this guy… http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tornike-Shengelia-5533/
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thats scary
because in ’03 we drafted michael sweetney, maciej lampe and slavko vranes…
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I thought the swap was last year, which didn't happen 'cause their pick was better anyway
and this year they just outright take our draft pick unless it’s top 5.
you might be right about the swap
but they have until 2015 to figure out which pick they want to take from us. i’m not totally certain about it.
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Well I think the whole thing should be voided
since we somehow ended up with Jared Jeffries again after specifically calling no backsies
lmao
I concur, lets get Stern on that immediately.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
that really doesn't sound that bad
as opposed to not having a first rd pick at all anyway.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
yep
Jordan…impressive in limited minutes. Hopefully, in a perfect world he’ll continue to develop and will become a contributor and fill in for Tyson/Stat along with Harrellson off the bench.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
In a perfect world
Jordan could come off the bench and provide some low post scoring which was his niche in college. Don’t know if he’s a great rebounder or defender, but if he can really score in the post, then it could maybe set up a nice inside-outside game
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
true
t’would be awesome
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
jorts more poor mans kevin love than d lee?
with ya rorsch. shump exudes competitiveness and has a great foundation of skills, and the “dirt strong” description fits jorts real well. jorts’ defense also seems pretty advanced (with the k. love outside shot). doesn’t leave his feet, slides to stay in front of his guy and isn’t always going for the block… he just tries to chest his guys into more awkward shots.
now if landry can keep evolving and we can steal a 2nd rounder or two next year (sorry TD, ya might have to go).
by bucketsncents on Jan 8, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
they both have "that" thing...
han and chewy.
by bucketsncents on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
omg i wish you had an ODB gif right now
if you did i’d splash my shit right now…
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need a knickname for all of our draft steals
TD, Shump, Jorts, Fields, (eventually Jordan) and hopefully the other thievery we will pull of in the next years. Hhhmm perhaps the Thieves Guild?
If anything is possible, then isn't it possible for something to be impossible? SB1954
A few observations from far west of the Hudson at the 10%-ish mark
NY, along with Boston, LA and the other usual top teams will rise to the top as the season goes.
While NY has gaps & roster issues, the early slowness is more about the entire bench except for Balkman getting hurt on opening night than it is chicken little.
Melo haters will always be Melo haters. But for the objective fan what you will learn while actually watching Melo game in and game out is that on the nights where he has poor shooting %; he is playing the same game he always does, it is just the refs aren’t giving him the calls. Melo’s bread and butter will always be drawing fouls. He gets fouled more than anyone; but he also has more non-calls against him than anyone… refs can be assess too!!!
No idea whether D’Antoni will be the long term answer; still thinking the answer will be no.
I’m fully expecting a Knicks trade around the trade deadline. There will be teams who will be sellers, in some cases to position themselves to chase 2012 FA. The Knicks have a handfull of disposable contracts and the 150% rule. Golden State, Phoenix, San Antonio, Dallas, Philly, Atlanta, San Antonio and Orlando could all be sellers. NY could pick up a useful role player or 2 and/or draft pick in such a deal.
Swing for the fences deals for Nash or Tony Parker could be out there depending on what direction the Suns or Spurs decide to do (San Ant dark horse to chase after Deron)?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
if stoudemire doesn't get suspended in game 6 of the western finals in 2007(ala ewing in 1997) the suns win a championship..
and MDA for the rest of his career doesn’t have to deal with all the doubters and haters who say his system can’t win. His system CAN win. Its just that it needs certain players. Whats so obtuse about that?
I think it's more obtusness on D'Antoni's part
When he can’t get the parts he wants he needs to adapt to the talent around him.
That’s the ultimate failing of most/all the “almost there coaches”… can the coach adapt when he cannnot adapt the environment.
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Sorry, but I just disagree with this
I think that D’antoni does adjust to his personnel. In fact, whereas most coaches will shoehorn guys into one of the classic 5 positions, D’antoni almost creates custom game plans to maximize the talents of players who do not quite fit the mold. He did it with David Lee, who everyone said is not a D’antoni type of player. He’s also shown the ability to slow the game down and cut down on the threes, as well as emphasize defense when everyone said it’s against his philosophy.
One thing about D’antoni is that I don’t think he’s very good without a good point guard on the floor because he believes in the players improvising and reading the situation. But I wouldn’t put it past him to figure it out either if he had to.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I haven't been able to really join any game threads yet this year
But have people been yelling “KILL SHOT!” when Shump hits a jumper?
If not, I fully intend on bringing that when I get a chance to join a thread
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i think not
i fade in and out of game threads tho, so i could be wrong. but thats a major oversight if its not happening.
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I keep trying to remember to do it but get too excited and just post "SHUMPPPPP"
Monday is a go, though.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Jan 9, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
i actually do yell KILL SHOT
and some other people do to as well, but please join in!!!
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope to!
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by WSD on Jan 9, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Newish rumor about trading for Dwight
Am I late to the party? I’ve never heard of the site so I can’t say anything about its legitimacy.
I read about it a couple of days back
That NY would make the offer I’d believe, and I’d make the offer as well; but, I think Orlando would get a package they’d prefer from the Lakers anytime they chose to
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
not only that but
Howard has made no indication he wants to play for the Knicks, I mean the assumption is being made that he would because he has okay’d the Nets but I don’t see the front office offering up STAT without some type of assurance first. We really aren’t looking for rentals at this point.
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
If Orlando deals Howard by the deadline and the Nets and Magic continue to proceed on their current paths, then the Nets package will essentially be..
1)Brook Lopez
2)ROY candidate in Marshon Brooks
3)Kris Humphries? (double-double 26 yrs old)
4)A shot at Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb, Jared Sullinger or Harrison Barnes.
5)The Rockets lotto protected 2012 pick.
6)Cap relief by taking back Turk’s contractg
This is a FAR better package than even a rejuvenated Andrew Bynum and 2 low 20s picks.
As long as the Nets are still on his list, I cant see Orlando going to L.A.
Honestly, I its a no-brainer. Unless Orlando is singularly obsessed with Bynum.
As far as #4 is considered
If the Nets get Dwight, their draft pick number will probably be higher than the top 10 when those guys are available.
Nets should still try and sweeten the pot though. If they don’t get Dwight, they might be pretty fucked cause Deron will jet
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the trade deadline is mid-march...by then only a month and a half of season is left. Thats barely enuff time for the nets to win enuff games with dwight to devalue their draft pick if its in orlando's possession.
besides, if the melo and cp3 is any indication, nets are getting stripped big time. theyll be left with no team except dwight and deron. I guess this really is all about sneaker money ala Rose.
i think Dwight stays in Orlando
Orlando has a fire sale and in turn sign Deron Williams. Deron could head to Dallas but i’m sure he’d rather play with a younger Dwight than an aging Dirk.
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i wouldnt consider those players garbage
but just like how LA traded Odom for nothing and how miami let damn near everyone go, i expect something along those lines as an option for Orlando. im sure there are teams that would take those players with Turk being a little harder to move
by blackhova on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Those are all dudes that have value on the floor. Turkoglu (whenever I type that I say “turk-o-glue”) will probably be harder to move, but he still is a good player.
Nelson is a FA next year anyway, and JJ Reddick’s big contract is the result of the Magic matching the offer sheet that Chicago made, so you know that teams will be willing to take him
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by WSD on Jan 9, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
They all have value but....
the main original point was that they its unlikely the Magic would be able to get rid of all 3 contracts this offseason in order to be sufficiently under the cap to sign Deron NEXT year as a FA, and that turk’s contract was the biggest albatross. Also Jameer Nelson is not a FA next year. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm
He has a player option
And I don’t know, if Dwight leaves Orlando, or if D-Will signs iwht Orlando to play with Dwight, Nelson might not want to stick around either way
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by WSD on Jan 9, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
The New York Times's article about the game currently has a picture caption that refers to "Ian Shumpert"
Kinda completely changes your image of the dude, doesn’t it? Ian Shumpert sounds like a British celebrity chef or something.
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Ha!! Nailed it with the British celebrity chef
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by WSD on Jan 8, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
anyone see Charles as Shaq on SNL?
pretty damn good http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/1/8/2691051/charles-barkley-saturday-night-live-snl-video-shaq
don't actually gym .....or tan.
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I think any time "Kazaam" is brought up I burst into fits of laughter
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by Lord Smackington on Jan 8, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of drafting...
anyone notice selby got busted for hittin’ dem trees?
making our shumpert pick look even smarter… character matters a lot.
Character schmaracter, what's troubling is he got written up!
I don’t care if a Knick smokes trees…just don’t get caught, Renaldo
by SweatbandProliferation on Jan 8, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
good point...
stay at home and puff fellas.
by bucketsncents on Jan 9, 2012 6:31 AM EST up reply actions
Still want Wil back
could care less if he blows purple smoke
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Jan 9, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions

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