Knicks 113, Pistons 86: "Actual ball movement!"
Ah, that felt nice. Sure, it was the Pistons, and sure, the Knicks could very well descend back into the doldrums in the games to come, but let us appreciate tonight. Like riise said in the thread, 'twas a night of actual, real-life ball movement. We saw awesome swing passes, gnarly pick-and-rolls, tubular penetrate-and-kicks, and radical ball movement. And the Knicks finished those plays too! New York shot a sizzlin' 60 percent from the field, marking the first time they'd hit more than half of their shots this season(!). The Knicks' shot defense on the Pistons was a bit spotty, but they made up for that by forcing 20 turnovers and converting 'em into fast break points the other way.
All told, the Knicks increased their lead in each quarter and had this one pretty much wrapped up by the beginning of the fourth. It was a splendid, refreshing evening with several excellent individual performances. Take the jump for some notes on those and more.
- Well, that was without question the Landriest game so far this season. Man oh man. Fields was cookin' soup from downtown, shooting 4-6 on the evening and 3-3 in the first quarter alone. Those makes came predominantly off Carmelo Anthony kick-outs, which was so very encouraging to see, as that's precisely the play the Knicks have needed Landry to finish all season. Fields did other exceeding Landry things, too, like snaggling 5 steals (many in the backcourt off lazy inbound passes), dishing 5 assists (including a couple nice ones in transition), and swatting Brandon Knight at the rim. Quoth Clyde: "He's having a field day!".
- Also worth noting: Fields makes perhaps the silliest "UH OH, I'M MAKING A NO-LOOK PASS!" face in the league. It kind of looks like an expression an eighth grade girl would make in her Facebook profile picture while holding up a sideways peace sign.
- Not that I've ever looked at an eighth grade girl's Facebook or anything.
- Carmelo Anthony made his return and looked much more like himself. He did get a little isolationist in the second half, but mixed that with some brilliant feeds off kick-outs and out of the pick-and-roll in the early going. Oh, and the iso stuff is much more appealing when 1. He's got a mismatch. 2. He starts on the block and spins or fakes his way to the rim. 3. Shots go in. Nice, solid 25-point, six-assist outing in Melo's return.
- Tyson Chandler scored a typically efficient 16 points (5-6 on inside looks, 7-10 from the line), and made up for a light rebounding first half by ripping down damn near everything he encountered in the third quarter. We also got a frightening glimpse of Chandler's back-to-the-basket game that included one hideous, twisting contested shot (a baby hook with some serious birth defects) that slammed off the back rim and one appallingly telegraphed pass out of a double team(?). Typically solid outing, though.
- I swore the MSG PA folks played the usual "boom-boom-chick" effects with a slight offbeat in the first half, but now I can't recreate the sound in my head and I'm convinced that I imagined it and I'm gnawing off my own skin.
- Amar'e Stoudemire missed a lot of his jumpers, but finished some nice looks inside (several of which came off nice passes from his teammates) and earned some free throws in the process. Amar'e also made a couple of slick feeds to cutters, which is something we'd loooooove to see him do more often. Oh, and he made up for a serial indifference to boxing out with a couple gorgeous recovery blocks.
- There was a scary moment (retroactively revealed with grainy footage) in which Amar'e twisted his ankle pretty badly during his typical warm-up hoppin' 'n' joggin' during halftime. He looked to be in quite a bit of agony, but was ready to go by the time the third quarter began.
- Iman Shumpert started despite Mike D'Antoni suggesting previously that Toney Douglas would be the guy, and turned in a pretty decent performance. He lost track of Brandon Knight and/or Rodney Stuckey quite a few times, but forced a couple turnovers with his defense and actually finished his drives to the basket on more than one occasion. Shump registered six assists, too, including a couple gorgeous one-handed transition feeds and a pick-and-roll dime or two (he missed a few rolls as well, but beggars can't be people who expect too much from rookies playing out of position, as they say).
- I was kind of expecting D'Antoni to go deep and give Jeremy Lin some rotation minutes, but he went with the usual eight-man rotation until garbage time. Douglas didn't do too much, Jared Jeffries played the role of defensive irritant nicely, and Bill Walker was typically impetuous and possibly drunk.
- Jeffries had two superb "big man in a video game moments". One came when he attempted a spin move and just dropped the ball mid-spin and another came when he got a backcourt steal, inexplicably decided to drive coast-to-coast and, again, just sort of forgot the ball en route to the rim.
- Switching got the Knicks in trouble defensively a few times, but I swear I also saw big men hedge screens and recover instead of switching AND guards get over picks a couple times.
- Whoopi Goldberg was Jill Martin's halftime interview and gave a few Dustin Hoffman Memorial Vaguely Sexual Non-Answers To Jill's Questions. For instance, when asked about her secret talent, Whoopi said something to the effect of "Oh, I can't say. It's nasty. It's fresh.", which waOH MY GOD I'M THINKING ABOUT WHOOPI GOLDBERG HAVING SEX OWOOWOW OWOW MAKE IT STOP
- Tina Cervasio got the much better interview in this one. She spoke to an adorable second-grader who wore a blue necktie for 300 consecutive days and raised $9,000 (I think that was the number) for the Make-a-Wish Foundation. Asked why he did the tie thing, he said he wore one on picture day and people told him it "made him look handsome". Oh, and right before the cameras cut away, he produced-- seemingly out of thin air-- a drawing of a snowman holding a basketball and yelped "Also, this!". Clyde called him a "precocious neophyte" and never has that phrase been more apt.
- Spotted: Baron Davis, noticeably bouncin' to "Sandstorm" on the sideline.
- We've heard this story before, but Mike Breen reminded us that the poster of Clyde that he hung up in his house in Yonkers in 1970 is STILL hanging, which is awesome.
- The booth calling a Toney Douglas pull-up miss: [Toney fakes] Breen: "Douglas with a nice fake". [Toney steps in and airballs a jumper] Clyde: "Huh huh huh huh, nice AIRBALL!".
- Oh, and if I heard him correctly, Clyde thinks Gerald Wilkins "was better looking" than Dominique.
- Jason Maxiell dunks like he intends to take the basket home with him as a souvenir. I love Jason Maxiell.
- I also like Walker Russell Jr. and would like to sip ale out of a plaster cast of his skull. He was once cut by the Knicks you know.
- ¡Tiempo de basura! Jeremy Lin continued his habit of putting up a lot of stats in limited time despite not actually doing that much, Renaldo Balkman made some pretty excellent finishes, Jerome Jordan continued to blow me away with his quick feet on defense, and Steve Novak hit a three.
And that is all! It was a brilliantly played game against a very bad team. Last time the Knicks did this, they didn't carry any of that momentum into the ensuing games against better teams. Raise your hand if you'd like them to change that this time around.
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Felt soo gooooooddddd. I know it's Detroit and we already blew them out... but cmon lemme have this
One thing I’d like to note: It seemed like the switching turned into a lot more traps on the perimeters. Idk if they’re gonna try to do this to Rose, but we gotta be careful because he’s actually capable of finding the open man out of the trap unlike any of Detroit’s guards.
whoopi goldberg thing had me lol'ing
great recap seth!
Except after reading that I am now picturing Whoopi Goldberg having sex!
Not nice Seth! Definitely not Nice! There is a list of people we should never picture having Sex and Whoopi Goldberg is on it, right Above Roseanne and below Rosie
by Robert Curre on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Great recap
And oh man, Seth. I chuckled hard at Fields’s no look passes being similar to a girl’s Facebook shots. Spot on. Though I do love when Landry gets fancy!
Good win. Not impressive but they took care of a team in a way they’ve failed to do against many other poor teams this season
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 12:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You better be in 8th grade Pal! Cause I have a daughter in 8th grade
And Seth basically described her facebook page! It’s okay cause I think Seth is only in the 9th grade. But you!!!
by Robert Curre on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I am not in 8th grade
But that description is also exactly like my own Facebook picture!
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I love Jerome Jordan
I love him with an intense, intimate, and erotic passion that will never die.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
i am imagining a poster
of clyde in a doorway to a yonkers house waving while wearing a leopard suit.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Of course it's 1970 Clyde so...
the leopard skin suit doesn’t show the same restraint as his current wardrobe and he’s got 3 more inches of Afro. Sounds kind of awesome!
Boy you don't know
Pimps back in the day use to wait to see what Clyde was wearing to know how to dress! Clyde is was and always has been Gangsta!!!
by Robert Curre on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I am hoping
it is not one of him on the court in 5 inch long shorts
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
That'd make it better!
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I loved the "big man in a video game moments" line
reminds me of when I’d play NBA Live as a kid. attempting a crossover as a PF/C would cause the guy to not only lose the ball, but to fall down in extremely embarrassing fashion. so frustrating
One thing that made me laugh for whatever reason
was Carmelo’s reaction on the bench of Lin’s steal then the fastbreak and one. He got off his seat and started laughing his ass of incredulously.
If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!
Anyway, yes this was a great game. Very good to see the movement, the trust, and the teamwork. Although I will say that I think our game on Thursday will be different because we’ll have the confidence and great team work to reference to make a 4th quarter push (if we’re trailing by +8, if we’re trailing by +8, it’ll take some serious werk and I’m not sure we’re capable of that yet).
I’d like to see a more Shumpy game on Thursday. Who’s in for that? I think Shump, Landry, Ty, Melo, and Bibbles will be key. Unfortunately I think Stat’ll have some difficulty getting through Boozer. Let’s hope though.
Also, upon review, I see that my game thread comments make little to no sense. I think I blacked out.
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 1, 2012 1:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
shump is nothing less than an ultimate warrior. No preseason no training camp, not even summer league......and straight to 6 games in 8 nights at MSG trying to orchestrate a team with superstars. Perspective people.
really the whole rookie class looks more impressive in this light.
I think he'll be great.
Even if there’s even one or two plays where Shump does something Shumpy on Rose, I think I can speak for all of us when we say we’ll be rolling on the floor in joy
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
Almost five years commenting here and I finally made the game recap post quote.
IT WAS WORTH EVERY SECOND!
Was at the game tonight...
…and wanted to see exactly what I saw. For once.
A couple of things:
1. 2 out of the 3 in 3 and the Knicks would be in good shape. Still, I think it will be 1 of 3, and the real run will start after Saturday and Baron. Got to get to 500, or close, by March 1, when the real shit hits the fan.
2. Don’t agree with Seth that this was the “Landriest” game of the year. Landry has been good for a couple of weeks now (disregarding Houston), and though he was terrific tonight, there have been games where maybe his long jumper wasn’t falling, but he was equally, if not more, effective and active. (This is a nitpick, obviously.)
3. Defense was silly in first half. Too many DEEEEETROIT BASKETBALLLLLLLL (silliest cheer ever, by the way) layups. But I didn’t care. Time to concentrate on offense. Weird to say, I know, but Knicks are an OK defensive team right now, even if some numbers are a bit inflated. And, I did keep watching that Pistons FG % tick down in second half. Yeah, that’s what I was watching. It was a blowout after all. And,as a diehard, I have to watch for longterm trends, not just immediate dividends (It’s a rule!).
4. Sorry fans, but Bill Walker is terrible. He’s got Melo’s “Fuck y’all” attitude but with 1.987654321% of the talent. 18 fouls on him in the fourth. Refs didn’t disqualify him because they thought it was funny.
5. One more point I disagree with Seth: Melo DID start to ISO in 3rd a bit. Good! He should! We have the best ISO scorer in the league. It should be in the playbook, sometimes even before the shot clock winds down. It’s funny but if he uses it correctly, it will also open up other opportunities. And tonight he picked an chose his spots. Listen, Melo may be a terminal cancer, but tonight at least he used the ISO—and all of his talents—in the exact right way. And this from a guy slightly disappointed he was playing when I got to the arena. (Yes, I know we need him, ultimately to win consistently. I’m just trying to stave off the notion that he is Stephon all over again.) Good for Melo to ISo at times tonight and not over-rely.
Shump has a tall Thursday task, huh?
The trashing of Walker is getting
real old. He is a big body 2/3 that we shouldn’t expect much out of, but is FINE as a bench player. He can hit open 3’s, he plays decent D, and is a very good rebounder and adept at boxing out. He is FINE. He can’t dribble worth a shit, but WHO CAN on this team right now? On top of that, for him to be as big a prospect as he was, and to now being a fringe rotation player, to which he never whines or complains about? Its probably been hard on the guy, and we never hear any whining from him…. possibly because he is doped out, but I digress.
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 1, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Was Bibby injured tonight, or is he just out of the rotation?
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I hope he is out of the rotation
Or at least cleaning up Jeremy Lin’s scraps. Bibby is so bad my wife was calling what he would do before he even did it. Not tough to do when all you do is jack terrible shots or dribble into double coverage.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."--Thomas Jefferson
Both
D’antoni is in survival mode and basically threatened to kill him if he even thought about getting on the court. It is clear that D’Antoni has basically said fuck it, and has broken the glass on the panic button. He played 8 guys last night until this thing was clearly over in the 4th. Against Chicago Douglas, Jeffries and Walker are the only guys who are gonna get off the bench and even they will do so to rest guys and because of fouls. Yes I know, back to back toback, but it is clear D’Antoni has decided he doesn’t much trust the rest of his team, and probably doesn’t really trust all of the 8 guys he is playing. Hold on kiddies cause this is gonna be fun or a train wreck. D’Antoni seems to do his best coaching when he says fuck it, plays no more than the minimum guys and tells his starters yall are going 40 tonight and if you don’t like it go blow somebody out. Really the man once said that if he didn’t think he would get fired for doing it, he would never play bench players at all! He would go with his starting 5 for 48 minutes.
by Robert Curre on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
On Lin's habit of not doing as much as his stats show
Did the score keeper make a mistake that no one else noticed except Seth?
I know you are sick and tired of people overestimating Lin’s skills or potential. But there’s no need to discredit tangible stats as if he earned them differently from any other player in the game.
Well, what I mean
is that for the second game in a row he managed to rack up a lot of assists in a short period of time without making any particularly impressive passes (at least not impressive to me).
the thing is though
they are the right passes to make… may not be pretty, but we generally have lots of pretty and not enough smart.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Also for the second game in a row most of his production came when the other team had
basically called off the dogs. Houston was coasting when Lin recorded 5 of his 6 assists. And Last night Detroit was already thinking about Oh well maybe we’ll get the NETS in the next game by the time Lin got on the floor. So yeah he got some nice numbers, but i did not see much that suggests he should be playing big minutes with the game on the line.
by Robert Curre on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Breen is from Yonkers?!
Awesome, that’s where I grew up!
And yeah, haters will point to this game and say that it’s a game we should have won anyway. Well, there were a lot of “absolutely have to embarrass this team” games that we lost, so this is a good sign. Now let’s beat Chicago.
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Shump had a really good game...
even if the stat sheet doesn’t quite show it. Yep, he did a few dumb things (damn rookies!), but overall he seemed so much more under control in this one than in any other game this year. Even the shots he missed were under control and not forced.
Good game by all for sure… and maybe it’s because of decent pg play… which is a VERY encouraging sign for when Baron does eventually start playing.
I always give myself a mental pat on the back when I see some of the points that I make in the game threads appear later in your recaps
In this case, I made comments both about Chandler’s ridiculously amazingly bad post-up, and Amar’e’s refusal to box-out. This is a weird thing to reveal, because it makes it seem like I’m full of myself (which I’m not exactly willing to deny). Carry on :)
It's the same for me.
When I’m watching the game and taking my little notes, it’s reassuring to check the thread and see that y’all are noticing some of the same stuff.

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