The Knicks really can't make any medium-sized trades.
by Seth on Feb 1, 2012 1:09 PM EST
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Update: Of course, now everybody's reporting that the Knicks might pursue Sessions. It'd take some heavy finagling for the reasons detailed below.
You, like me, have probably seen the Jose Calderon and Ramon Sessions trade rumors floating around and been like "Hey, wait, the Knicks desperately need point guard help. Gimme.". If you have had that experience, then you've probably also waddled over to the ESPN Trade Machine and been like "gimme gimme gimme click click click" (that's either the sound of you clicking a mouse or muttering in an African click language) only to find that New York's payroll situation is so bipolar that there isn't anybody even remotely equivalent in salary to those two players. Dan of The Knicks FanBlog describes the situation:
It doesn’t take a genius to notice that the Knicks have three contracts taking up the majority of their cap and then a bunch of filler. After the Broadway Bigs, the next highest contract belongs to Renaldo Balkman. And as good as he is, to nab someone like Sessions or Ridnour, I suspect the Knicks would have to sweeten the pot. And who is going to get ‘er done? Shumpert? Landry? Those combinations would work but would it be worth it for the Knicks to give up on long-term potential to fill a short-term need when 2012 free agency awaits with a litany of point guards?
Seriously, though, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler each make double-digits of millions a year. Balkman, the fourth-highest paid Knick, makes less than $2 million a year. So, like Dan says, the only way the Knicks could deal for a point guard (or anybody) of that caliber would be to lump a bunch of smaller salaries together and just completely empty out the already scant depth they've got for a single guy. Seems unrealistic (yet familiar), though there are potentially cheaper, albeit less appealing point guards out there if Baron Davis takes too long to return or is deemed insufficient when healthy.
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But Seth we gotta?
Trade machine would shut down with out Knicks fans trading Toney Douglas, Jared Jeffries and my old lady’s breast implants for Calderon!
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by Spike4Prez on Feb 1, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hop on in, the water's great!
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
TD, Jeffries, Balkman
For Sessions. Done. Room exception available for trading also. Maybe not by itself, but sign and trade, right?
didn't the article say they'd like that Toney was extended for next year?
Balkman would be a big upgrade at SF, but I probably think he’s better than they do.
over who parker and Gee are actually playing well
Plus the have Tristan Thompson who when healthy has been getting his minutes there. Think they would plass on Humphris. Don’t see that they need Jeffries either since they have a lot of bodies at PF
And Balkman and Jeffries do not make them stronger.
Secondly if you haven’t noticed we are not exactly swimming in Bodies at the Forward position either. If you ship out Balkman and Jeffries and bring back a guard, then you are left with Walker and Novak as you only options at Forward, and Jerome Jordan as your only back up at Center. With Harrellson out they Knicks who were not deep at Foward to begin with and painfully thin. Foul trouble or an injury would leave the Knicks without enough competent bodies to compete.
I'm okay with that
They’re clearly better than the forwards filling the bottom of Cleveland’s depth chart. For the Knicks, Jeffries is a negative, Balkman rarely plays, Walker and Novak are better. Plus Landry is a forward. PG is such a necessity for the Knicks, it’s worth it. Jordan can play, and there are other options at forward, like Kenyon Martin, plus Jeff Foote and Ryan Wittman are available in the D-League.
call me crazy but
unless we were getting another big in the deal as well,I’d keep Jared …especially with no one dirt strong getting playing time because of injury.
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
so i know this is impossible and/or batshit crazy...
but is there any way amare and/or melo restructure their contracts so they can have, you know, teammates?
"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying." -Ichiro
And Defeat Their Whole Purposes Of Coming Here?
i dont know…i mean i love the guys but lets be real, they didnt come to play at a discount..
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I think I remember something about
A new rule in the cba where players could restructure their contract to back load it upto like 20%
by Kupe on Feb 1, 2012 2:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
its not a matter of if
but will they restructure? i just dont see it man.
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im not saying they should take pre-lockout salaries
but god knows if they each took 2 mil less what that could do for the team
"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying." -Ichiro
I could see it happening.
Restructuring the contact doesn’t mean they get less money overall, just are paid more in later years. If anything that seems like a smarter financial decision since it gives them more income closer to retirement when they won’t be able to earn the same paychecks
by Kupe on Feb 1, 2012 4:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe they could cut out the middlemen...
and Amar’e, Melo, and Chandler could just hire one player a piece. You know just pay them a million or two and as a bonus they could give them decimal point numbers (ie Amar’es guy would be 1.5, Chandler’s 6.5, Melo’s 7.5) and that players stats all get accredited to their sponsoring player? Could help Melo get back in the scoring title race!
by robk on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No the collective bargaining agreement does not allow re-structuring
guaranteed is guaranteed.
Not even
To change the payment structure so they’re paid more later and less now?
by Kupe on Feb 1, 2012 4:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think you can do that actually
I remember people making a big hoopla about it with Stat and Melo
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Hey i could be wrong, maybe they will take cuts.
but on the other hand they might say that they cant feed their families with a paycut.
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kinda panned out for Sprewell, didnt it??
dont get me wrong, i loved the guy (dont you dare pause!!) but saying that was worst than aggressively hugging PJ Carlesimos neck with his hands
by blackhova on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sessions
Isn’t he sort of a shoot-first PG? Somebody please enlighten me.
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Exactly what we need then
Sacrificing our remaining “depth” for him though, I don’t know.
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Solid handle as well
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
he could run the team, has improved overall FG % every year he's played.
not the guy u want taking any threes though.
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TD, Balkman, Jeffries, Lin, Walker... whomever they want!
One name that hasn’t been mentioned is Jerome Jordan. He isn’t playing here and he’s shown some good hands and feet, and a decent touch around the rim. A lot of teams are willing to take on a 7-foot building project.
In the case of Cleveland, they’re in full rebuild mode with Irving and Thompson and guys like Samuels, Gee, Eyenga, etc. They might enjoy taking on a future center prospect.
Thoughts.
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
in terms of jordan..
i dont think we should give up a center that should be being used anway for a player that may not be here more than a year…how many years are left on sessions contract does anyone know?
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Why's that?
I’m not saying offer solely Jerome Jordan, but throw him in with TD and/or Balkman and they might bite on it.
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by WSD on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
sorry if that came off the wrong way,i read it wrong
i saw the comma’s i was like they arent taking all them back for sessions!
but i agree id be in favor of maybe one and/or two of them.. i dont think anyone is taking balkman tho lol
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We could have had Session NUMEROUS times since he turned pro in 2007.
Since Dantoni arrived here, he has killed any Sessions rumors because
Sessions doesn’t take a lot of 3 pt shots (he’s a 44.8% fg shooter, 79.2% from the free thr line).
Sessions also has more than twice as many assists as turnovers. NO KNICK can say they are capable of
doing that (except Jeremy Lin).
Dizzy Thoughts!
Trade Stoudemire and Chandler to Minnesota for K.Love and some other contracts to balance out the salaries of Stoudemire/Chandler.
Yes we are kissing good bye this B.S. season for next year.
D.Howard is not going to be traded before the deadline. With that said, we wait and get him as a FA. Nobody is going to be foolish and trade for Howard offering the farm like last years deal with Carmelo.
In 2012 then we can go after D.Williams/PG also as a FA. If not becaus eof salary problems we can then bring back R.Felton for less then D.Williams and get the job done.
2012/Possibility:
Love/Howard/Anthony/Felton/Shumpert.
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I read that Feltson is......
looking to re-up with Portland next year; would welcome him back with wide-open arms, though!
Knicks missed on Ish...
….IMHO; Hahn said Knicks had no interest bc he couldn’t shoot; well, guess what? Neither can Sessions! Ish can be better than Ramon if he could stop bn caught up in a numbers game. He can run a team in the half-courts and OMG, can he run a Fast Break w/Rubio-type passes, the kid literally has eyes in the back of his head! So surprised MDA can’t recognized that this kid can run his offense! Just like in Boxing where styles makes fights; systems can make a player. Anyone can learn 2b a good shooter but not everyone can run a NBA team. I really like Lin too, he definitely needs more tyme, and it looks like MDA is heading (finally) in that direction. Ish, Lin and Shump would make quite an interesting trio on our 2nd unit. We made a mistake, period……BTW….Everyone on this blog is very insightful and very courteous, recognizing that opinions are just that, opinions and everyone has one and is entitled to theirs; and not getting rude or ignorant bc someone else does not agree with them. Keep up the great work, starting from the top w/Seth, to the rest of you guys!
I sincerely hope not
the kid literally has eyes in the back of his head!
Dammit....
….Soon as I got done just a minute ago, I go to twitter and see that the Magic just picked up ISH from the D-League!!!!!! That really pisses me off! What a fn dumb staff!
About the Sessions nonsense
If you’re trading Amar’e you’re obviously asking for Kyrie. This Sessions story is total BS.
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