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What needs to happen for the Knicks to make a run and turn the season around.

At 8-13 the Knicks are still not out of play of contention and have 45 games left this season to make a run. Now while many appear to be waiting for Baron Davis, I believe that there is enough here without Davis to make a run and get the team firmly in playoff position. Now if Davis comes back in time to shake off the rust for the playoffs great, but the Knicks cannot wait for Davis to save their season, they need to act and now.



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1. Carmelo Anthony needs to buy in: It is one thing to publically support D'Antoni, it is another altogether to allow himself to be coached by him. A large part of the Knicks problems since the trade have been linked to Carmelo's lack of buy in to D'Antoni's system. When one guy is doing his own thing and the other 4 are doing something else, it doesn't tend to work in the NBA. Carmelo says he supports D'Antoni 100% as coach. Prove it by following his coaching on the court.

2. Carmelo needs to play better: This post is not about Carmelo but he does get the first two points. Even the biggest Carmelo fan around can admit that their hero has played like garbage for most of the early going this season. When a team invests in stars it is with the assumption that those players will play like stars. Carmelo has to play better and be consistent at it. To date his play puts him more on the level of Monta Ellis instead of Lebron, Kobe, Rose, or Durant. Not even Dolan would trade half a team for Monta Ellis. The offense runs through Carmelo, so he needs to be more efficient in getting his points in order to draw the defense and create spaces for his teammates to get scoring opportunities. It is not the number of shots he takes but how efficient he is with those shots that will open the floor and create high percentage scoring opportunities for Amare, Chandler, and Fields.

3. Shumpert and Douglas need to play in the paint more. While they do not have the same responsibilities in this offense that say Steve Nash or Raymond Felton had when they ran D'Antoni's offense, they still need to do a better job playing their roles. Douglas and Shumpert have to push the pace, and as often as they can get into the lane to disrupt the defense. Both have struggled to do this consistently and as a result the are taking far too many jumpshots. By getting into the paint even if they are doing so looking to score rather than distribute, they will draw defenses and create natural passing lanes that will be easier for them to exploit. Another advantage of looking to get into the paint more in order to score, is it makes it harder to block out which will allow Chandler and Amare to get some work in on the offensive boards.

4. Continue to make Fields a priority early in the games. The Knicks need to get consistent production out of Fields. With a player like Landry the earlier you get him involved in the offense the better. Fields is not a guy you are going to look to consistently in the fourth quarter so you need to get him his touches early in the game. Also by getting him going early you boost his confidence and get better play form him throughout the games.

5. Run more pick and rolls: I know that the Knicks ball handlers are not good at it, but by showing pick and roll it will help get those guards to play in the paint, and will create some disruption in the defense. D'Antoni last season against the Heat, Bulls, and the Spurs used the pick and roll largely as a decoy to get the defense to react. Amare would roll and then flash to the strong side low block. There he would either look to score, work a give and go with either Fields or Chandler, or draw the defense and kick out to a spot up shooter. While D'Antoni is not running the spread pick and roll offense this year, more PNR even if used just to create motion in the defense should open up the floor more. Also it forces player movement and allows Amare to get into the low post without having to dribble.

6. 30 pts per game for Amare and Tyson. Carmelo is the number one option and will take the most shots and score the most points. But he needs to make sure he gets help from his Lieutenants. In order for D'Antoni to get those extra points that will allow him to get to 100 on a consistent basis, he needs at least 30 pts a game out of his front court duo. Secondly, I do not know if you guys notice this, but when Chandler and Amare are both active and getting touches consistently, they seem to rebound and defend better.

I believe that if the Knicks can accomplish these 6 things on a consistent basis, their offense will improve and if they continue to play defense decently, they will be able to get on a run..

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Melo has not even played on the level of a Monta Ellis who is a GREAT defender. Melo canot sven spell defense, let alone practice it.

by frankiec on Feb 1, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Monta Ellis who is a GREAT defender.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was wondering that as well.

I never heard that Monta is a great defender.

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by fuhry on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes he can,

Just ask him! It’s D- [|||], right?

by nocookiesforme on Feb 2, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

touche'
Melo canot sven spell defense

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by Ozraider on Feb 1, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed except

Tyson Chandler is just not a 30 pt per night kind of guy.

I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.

by east_harlem on Feb 1, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

ok then

I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.

by east_harlem on Feb 1, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They pretty much are

@the OP – STAT is at just under 18ppg, Tyson is at 11ppg… 28.6 vs 30 will not save our offense

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by astromets on Feb 1, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i feel they need to avg 35 a game

20 for stat, and 15 for chandler.

also, they should be pulling down 25 boards a game… 10 for stat, 15 for chandler.

that is a championship frontline.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 2, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

def closer to these numbers....

Amare has got to be in the 20’s…

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by Jason Bee on Feb 2, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree however

Amare may not get enough touches to get 20+ every game. He is a secondary scorer now as the the offense runs through Carmelo so that means that there may be nights where he is only going to get 13 or 14 shots. Short of like what happens with Gasol in LA. Everybody Knows that is Pau gets 20 shots a game he can get you 25ppg. However Pau doesn’t consistently get 20 shots because the offense is not geared to run through him. Same with Amare, there will be nights where he gets 20 shots and on those nights he needs to deliver over 20 points, but there will also be nights where he gets far fewer shots and as a result will not get enough touches to score 20. The key is that regardless, he and Chandler need to get enough toches per game for them to get 30+ combined points. The way the Knicks are built, they need to get 55-60 pts combined from their front line together, to have a chance at 100. you get 60 from the front line, 25 from Douglas shumpert and Fields, and if Walker and the rest of the Bench bros can combine for 15 pts you have your 100.

by Robert Curre on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

thats a big problem

the bench, including Iman and Fields getting 40 points combined a night…..that would be nice tho….

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by Jason Bee on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Shumpert, Fields and Douglas can't combine for

25 pts. They are a little under 30 points now. They just need to be more consistent. If they become more consistent and you can get a consistent 30+ from Amare and Chandler (We know Melo is gonna get his, he just has to do a better job helping his teammates get theirs) you are basically looking at 90 pts aga game from your top 6. So if you are saying that the bench isn’t good enough to come up with 10 pts, then you know what needs to be addressed this off-season.

by Robert Curre on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

bam

you just said the key phrase / word a few times “need to be more consistent”…..big if’s cause right now we’re at 95 points a game

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by Jason Bee on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think STAT should be able to get close to 25 a game

and Chandler needs to get more consistently involved in the offense, he is always drawing fouls and hardly misses, though it is mostly from with 6 feet. He should easily average 15

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by astromets on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree when he gets the shots

Stat should be 25+ but I am merely saying we need to understand that he is the number 2 guy in the offense not the number 1 any longer, therefore he will not always get enough shots to score 25 pts. There will be nights when he is only gonna get 13 shots cause Melo is gonna take like 30. And if you only get 13 shots and you doen’t hit alot of 3’s it is hard to get 25. He needs to average between 18-20 based on his role in this offense. He should get enough shots if he shoots a decent percentage to consistently do that.

by Robert Curre on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why he can't get 18-20 shots a night

STAT and Melo should be the focus of most offensive possessions, that could be taking >40 shots per game combined. On the Heat, Lebron gets 19.5, Wade 17 and Bosh 15 (last year it was 18, 18, 13) – that is nearly 50 shots spread out over 3 players. I would be interested to see what the shot totals are like with one sitting out a game, but I would guess that they increase for the other two by about 5 each. If Melo wants to go shot crazy, it needs to be at the expense of bench shots, or PG shots, not Amare shots

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by astromets on Feb 3, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense runs through Carmelo the same way it runs through Lebron

Which means in addition to taking his own Shots Melo needs to make sure Amare gets his shots. And you really can’t divide up bench shots vs other player shots per se. The reality is that you are looking at average shots but if you watch the heat there are nights where Lebron takes 27 shots, Wade 14 and Bosh 9.

by Robert Curre on Feb 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That number however is not consistent.

They need to consistently combine for 30+ per game.

by Robert Curre on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

All good points...

though it’s important to point out that getting into the paint isn’t what TD do… what TD does is shoot the ball (and not well this year I might add). Shump I agree needs to absolutely get into the paint and draw more fouls and collapse the defense, but if we’re looking for another guard to get into the paint… it ain’t TD…

it’s Lin… that’s right… Lin is In. TD is in danger of losing minutes.

by bucketsncents on Feb 1, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

You are right

Douglas plays more of an outside game, as he is known for his 3’s. He also has a tendency to shoot first even if he knows he may get blocked and an option to pass to an open man is available.

by CookieOs on Feb 2, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Douglas was far more effective at getting into the paint last season

and as a rookie. I agree that he has been hesistant to get into the paint, even to look for his own shot, and I wonder if his shoulder problems have him hesitant to attack the paint on offense. After all TD has far fewer collision with Big bodies launching 25 ft jumpshots. But I am saying he needs to get into the paint, even if he is just looking for his own shot when he does.

by Robert Curre on Feb 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Though what you're saying certainly makes sense,

the problem with Toney Douglas at the point is not so much the strategy he undertakes but the kind of brain he has. I just think he’s not naturally a leader out there in the sense that a point guard should be. So while he can run a pick and roll and bring the ball up and make a pass, more often than not, he plays scared, with a lack of authority – and it gets worse in a close game in the 4th quarter.

Now maybe that’s workable if he’s the backup and you have a healthy Baron starting. But with Shump, a rookie who is also not a natural distributor-type point, it’s a fucking disaster.

So while everyone is complaining about Melo Iso-ing too much, I think he’s doing it because he sees that there is a void of leadership out there and he is trying to win the game the way he knows how – which is to take the team on his back and hit contested shots. It’s not because he’s a selfish me-me-get-mine guy – it’s because he can see the point guard doesn’t know what he’s doing out there.

That’s why I think that one simple move – replacing Douglas as the backup point with Jeremy Lin – is going to help tremendously. Lin may not be a great defender or shooter, but he seems naturally inclined to run an offense. Playing Douglas next to Lin off the ball will set Toney up to shoot in rhythm and score, which has been one of the Knicks’ weapons.

I’m telling you, given the Knicks woes, Amar’es needs, et cetera, Shump/Landry/Lin/Toney is a much better guard rotation than Shump/Landry/Toney/Bully.

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by fuhry on Feb 2, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

The reason Melo barks

Is because he’s tired of watching Toney pick up his dribble and spend 5 seconds on his pivot foot trying to throw a pass to another player that has to dribble his way out of a trap.

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by fuhry on Feb 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think Melo would bark...

when Lin turns the ball over a bit too much, misses some shots or does whatever else a very young pg would do once thrust into the spotlight? I don’t think Lin vs TD would stop Melo’s barking as much as any established pure pg would (Davis or whomever). Maybe even a Sessions who is said to be available.

by Zhantee on Feb 2, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo is gonna bark regardless of who the point guard is. magic Johnson wouldn't keep him from barking.

That is not the issue guys making the right basketball plays are. Kareem used to Bark at Magic when he felt he wasn’t getting the ball enough. Didn’t matter magic ran the offense and got the ball where it needed to go.

by Robert Curre on Feb 2, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If Lin runs a couple of sweet P&R's with Amar'e

Amar’e will back Lin up when Melo barks.

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by fuhry on Feb 2, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You make interesting arguments and if this was last year I would be in agreement

However Fuhry, if you look closely the Knicks do not run the spread pick and role offense any longer. Shumpert and Douglas have not been asked to do what say Felton was asked to do last season. Where the offense has broken down primarily is shooting. D’antoni was counting on Douglas and Shumpert to score and execute a set number of simple plays. The Offense runs through Carmelo much the way the heat offense runs through Lebron. The idea is Melo is to use his ability to create shots for himself and use his scoring to draw the defense and create opportunities for Amare and the rest of the guys off of the attention he draws as a result. D’Antoni has not been running a point guard Centered offense all year, if his desire was to run a point guard oriented offense he would have pushed the start Bibby button a long time ago.

By running the offense through Carmelo, and orignially nameing Douglas and then Shumpert the starters, he was conceding that he cannot run a point guard oriented scheme. D’Antoni had a good plan, but it has broken down for two reasons. Carmelo has played poorly and not always within the offense and therefore has not been able to draw extra defenders as D’antoni had hoped. And Douglas and Shumpert have not scored like D’Antoni hoped they would. If you look at Douglas’ play over his first two seasons, you can see that D’Antoni had a reasonable expectation that if he started Douglas and played him 35 min he could expect to get 15 pts, about 5 assists and enough perimeter shooter to keep the floor spaced. When Douglas didn’t deliver, he turned to Shumpert who early on showed some ability to score. however Shumpert is a rookie and has been inconsistent. Plus starting him and encouraging him to look for his offense only exacerbated his bad habit of taking bad shots. So while D’antoni may turn to Lin from time to time in order to try and jump start things, Lin is not going to replace Douglas, because in theory Douglas’ only issue is that he needs to get back to doing what he has already shown he can do at the NBA level.

by Robert Curre on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Strategy aside

When Douglas brings the ball up in the 4th quarter, he looks like a scared puppy and makes clearly terrible decisions. This is surely not part of D’antoni’s strategy!

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by fuhry on Feb 2, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

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Douglas’ only issue is that he needs to get back to doing what he has already shown he can do at the NBA level.

He has shown he can be good for 10 ppg off the bench as a scoring guard. So why keep trying him at the PG? I don’t think anyone who wants Lin to play more think he is going to be some super great player or not make mistakes, but it does so much more than put someone out there who is pass oriented and has more PG experience. For one, if he proves capable, it allows TD AND Shump to go back to being scorers off the bench. Shump can slash like he did to start the year, and TD can wait outside for 3’s that he should be knocking down, which should open up the lane some if he does, and maybe he can bring it to the hoop with a little more success.

I mostly want to give Lin a shot because these other guys continue to show they can’t do this, but have shown they can do good things off the bench and should be allowed to go back to doing those things

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by astromets on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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