Will Steve Novak stay in the rotation?
by Seth on Feb 10, 2012 3:41 PM EST
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PrintI was delighted to see Adam Zagoria focus on Steve Novak's crucial contributions to the Knicks' recent victories in an article today. Zagoria and Novak talked mostly about Jeremy Lin, but in praising Lin, Novak kind of touched on his own importance:
"I think you’re really starting to see our offense come together when we have that kind of penetration and that kind of finding guys," Novak said in crediting Lin, the rookie sensation from Harvard.
"And it’s contagious because other guys know, ‘I’m going to get the ball from him or I’m going to make the next pass because the next time down he’s going to find me again."
Novak's right, but in a way, he's got it backwards.
In the first quarter of that Washington game, the Knicks' offense-- piloted by Lin-- was quite bad. The Wizards collapsed into the paint when Lin penetrated and forced him to kick the ball out to open men on the perimeter. That'd be just fine, except the (current) starting lineup's best three-point shooter, Bill Walker, couldn't convert even his openest looks and nobody else stepped up to stretch the floor. Novak entered toward the end of the first (Eh! Steve!), drilled his second three-point attempt, and suddenly the Knicks had an offense. With perimeter defenders less inclined to collapse, Lin had more room to penetrate 'n' create. The Knicks came back and took the lead in the second quarter (on a Novak three), and never looked back. So, without Lin, Novak might not have had such great looks, but without Novak, Lin might not have had as much room to make sensual magic with his fingertips.
Remember mutualism from Ms. Wallace's biology class in seventh grade? Wait, y'all didn't have Ms. Wallace? She had such good handwriting. Well, Lin and Novak are a lovely example of a mutual symbiosis. Jeremy is the busy bee and Steve is the fertile flower. Or Jeremy's the clownfish and Steve is the sea anemone. Or maybe Steve's a little oxpecker bird that sits on Jeremy's rhinoceros back and nibbles the bugs off of him. Yes! That's the one. It makes the least sense physically, but I think it best describes their coexistence. Anyway.
Now, our beloved flower-anemone-bird probably wouldn't be playing if Carmelo Anthony and Josh Harrellson weren't both injured, which begs the question: Does the full, healthy Knicks rotation include Steve Novak? If so, whose minutes would he bite? Walker's been streaky, but he's a decent shooter off the catch and is better equipped to defend pretty much anybody (though he doesn't always feel like it). Harrellson serves the Knicks best when he's wrasslin' for put-backs in the paint, but he was the Knicks' best floor-stretcher before breaking himself and is a significantly better defender/rebounder/trophy hunter than Novak is.
In short, pretty much any functional Knicks unit requires a three-point shooter to spread the opposing defense. Novak seems most fit for that role, but New York employs other guys who can semi-replicate his accuracy without sacrificing defense and rebounding and stuff. Does Novak still warrant minutes when the Knicks are fully healthy?
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Don't look at me. I haven't a clue. That's why I asked the question, dude.
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I did not read what you wrote
but if Novak does not stay in the rotation, MDA should be fired. He is Shawne Williams with some ability to do other things
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 10, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions
kinda feel like
novak is a better shawne williams with the ability to do even less of the other things.
and d’antoni should be firedz11!!
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Novak is probably the most effective player in the NBA at what he does
It’s really unfathomable that he doesn’t play more. When he has a good PG in there drawing defenders away from the three point line, Novak is automatic. He makes Shawne Williams look like Chris Dudley out there.
I dunno
Anthony Morrow is pretty good.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
He's better overall
But in terms of being able to make that three point shot, Novak is #1 easily. No one else even approaches his three point percentages. He’ll tall and automatic. His true shooting % is nearly 75% even though most of the season he didn’t have a PG and got the ball at the worst times.
Yeah it’s a limited sample size, but he was incredible every year.
novak>ray allen
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 10, 2012 6:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
novak is a better shooter than ray allen, yes
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lol its not really unfathomable
i mean the guy only shoots does nothing else now that we need offense hes very important but wen melo and amare get back he aint that important
making all those shots is pretty damn important
especially when those guys are missing all of their shots. And they don’t play like 1/3 of the game.
yea i guess
i still dont see him playin alotta minutes prob 10-15 maybe taking bully’s minutes and provide some scoring off the bench when our 2nd units out there where we’ll need the floor spread cuz with our starters we wont really need that
Yea
cuz the stars have done so well so far without the floor spread…
Spacing, spacing, spacing.
Nothing is more crucial to this Knick’s team. It is the key to the entire offense.
i would argue
that its actually
spacing, passing, spacing, passing, spacing… but hey man, how are ya!?
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by stingy d on Feb 10, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, I can dig that
The spacing sure helps with the passing though, ya know?
I’m good! I think my brief respite from P&T (commenting, not reading – Seth’s prose is addictive) refreshed me, a la Dirk’s mini training camp. Hopefully I’m in better game shape now.
Whos going to open up the floor for them?
Its going to get mighty packed insider there for Lin with Amare, Chandler and Melo also up close. Without a decent 3 (no other player on the Knicks scares anyone), the defense can just collapse and force Amare and Melo into double teams against larger players.
hahaha I like that you admitted that you didn't even bother reading the post....
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 10, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
he should also be fired for breathing!
i mean, who does this guy think he is, phil jackson?
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 10, 2012 6:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, but he won't get them
When Melo and Amar’e come back his minutes will be severely cut. Not only that, since he’ll be a sub, he’ll play with the second unit and probably be on the court when Lin is on the bench resting. His best hope is Baron returns and the Knicks have a quality point guard on the court for 48 minutes.
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For Lin to rest, someone else has to man the point
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Lin continuing to play >40min/game until BD gets better.
Well, Lin did play about 35 minutes the other night
I can see Shump playing PG for 12-15 minutes a game until Baron gets back.
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Plan B
That was just because of the foul trouble and the bloody chin. And it clearly cost the Knicks early on. If D’Antoni had a chance to play Lin more, he would’ve.
I want Shump getting real minutes, but I’d prefer the bulk of those to be at the 2.
I really hope he does
For some reason I’ve never noticed the same complete defensive inabilities that everyone else sees. He’s far and away a more reliable shooter than walker. He knows his spots on the floor. Actually he seems like the kind of guy d’antoni would love. Especially with an attacking point guard like you said, Seth, Novak could/should continue to be a real threat to open up our offense.
by Jackaroe on Feb 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I was skeptical at first of Novak's defensive reputation
and thought it might have been a lazy assumption, but he’s looked pretty helpless out there to me. He makes an effort, but with his body type and lack of quickness, he doesn’t match up well with anybody. Granted, if he knows what he’s doing, he should still be able to make a difference, but I haven’t seen that.
Still, though, I think that poor defense can be hidden and that he’s a deadly enough shooter to warrant minutes no matter what. I think I’d give him a lot of Walker’s minutes in a full rotation, depending on the match-up.
his instincts on defense are kinda hilariously bad
mo evans baffled him on like 3 or 4 possessions in a row the other day.
on the flip- take jorts for example, the guy is big and slow, but knows when to commit and when to back off. novak is so easy to dupe, its painful. but on offense, his shot is so deadly that its easy for him to make plays if the point guard knows how to find him.
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I'm reaching, but
there is one thing Novak is good at defensively – rotating to open shooters. He can block a shot every now and again like that. But yeah, in general, he’s weak and you have to try to hide him on D.
i see novak sticking
bill walker’s minutes are in jeopardy, and sadly, so are josh harrelson’s.
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Anyone who doesn't see that is blind.
I could still see Jared getting some spot minutes, but Josh finishes almost all of the shots Jared blew from Jeremy passes.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i hope you're right
because i’d much rather see jorts and novak. but i’m just not certain the coaches shoo jeffries.
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i think jeffries comes in
when things arent working right.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
well if novak can keep up the good shooting
bill walker’s days are numbered. novak can’t really guard a wing player, and harrellson can do it maybe 1 out of every 3 or 4 possessions. maybe. jeffries on the other hand, can guard anybody on any team pg-c.
also the coaches just loves them some jeffries.
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i think the coaches think walker is a much better defender
which i dont get even tho novak’s bad at D walker does some stupid shit out there defensively
well, he is.
at the very least, walker is gonna a bitch on the ground and roll his eyes about it.
novak is a bit more of a housecat.
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Walker's "good" defense is usually hampered by...
incredibly stupid play and bad fouls at the worst possible moments. I swear there have been times when I thought Mike D was going to completely lose it with him and his occasionally boneheaded play.
i completely agree
he’s still shown, to my eye, that he’s a better defender than novak.
i’m willing to completely give up on bully for novak right now tho.
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Walker's minutes
I agree that Novak is a much more pure shooter than Bully is and is a much bigger need at the moment… but before we starting losing players either to injury or tragic events, Bully played the 2 or 3 spot for us. I can’t see Novak really playing either of those positions… so I’m not sure how many of Walker’s minutes he’d directly be stealing. Especially with TD out of the rotation currently, we need Bully a bit more than otherwise.
well... lin and novak are tied to one another yet again here
because shumpert can come off the bench now, and he can play 1-2 and occasionally he’ll be able to guard some 3’s.
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Unless we run a 3-guard rotation...
which is certainly possible… who would be our 4th guard with TD out? That will be Bully methinks. We go with 3 guards, no Bully.
Question is though
Is Novak exclusively a 4? I think so, because asking him to guard a 3 would be a lot to ask indeed. That probably means that either Jorts, Jeffries, or Novak will be out of the rotation. But you never know, they could all play, depending on matchups.
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Novak def needs to be
He has a deadly stroke and the opposition has to respect that and NOT leave him open. He will enable the Knicks to spread the ball more freely. I like Walker, but his minutes will most likely be the one to decline.
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I find walker unnerving
His shot is unreliable and he just always seems soooo out of control out there.
by Jackaroe on Feb 10, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he will...
backing up Amare at the 4 or filling that spot on the rare occasion that we can away (defensively and rebounding-wise) with having he and Amare on the floor together.
But I think once we get our two “stars” back (who are kinda good at offense), we’ll still have plenty of spacing because teams will have to respect Melo and Amare. That will still give Lin room to work.
So yep, I think he’ll still have a spot in the rotation and depending on the type of team we’re playing, he and Jorts (when healthy) will kinda share minutes mostly as Amare’s backup. But as terribly important as he is for us at the moment, I don’t think he’ll be nearly that important once we’re healthy.
I think that Novak should get more minutes, but situationally
It’s really going to depend on the team that we’re playing, and how the matchups play out.
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Yep
Jorts and Novak will be interchangeable and totally opposite pieces. We need more offense and spread, Novak. We need more toughness, D, reboundings, etc… Jorts. I think JJ will DEFINITELY continue to get his minutes as first “big” off the bench.
The one good thing about this conversation is that it shows we have more depth than everyone thought we did once healthy.
in the offseason
we didn’t get any guys that were duplicating another player’s skill sets, at the time i thought it was smart, and now that someone is finally running point, we can create mismatches in our favor.
so i still think it was smart.
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Rumor is...
we already have two rather important players (some might say “stars”) with duplicate skillsets… so I think NOT doing that over the offseason had to be a priority. haha
Actually
Novak – all outside, all offense
Jorts – Some outside, defense and offense
Jeffries – all defense, some interior offense.
Novak and Jeffries are the opposites here. They all give you different looks though. I imagine they might all get burn depending on the matchup and how the game is going.
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Yeah, I think it's best to have a flexible lineup
condensed season, yada yada. But everybody involved needs to swallow their pride and see that Novak is a key player in this offense
Guy could shoot 50 percent from three
if he gets comfortable. That’s a serious weapon.
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Guys arguably one of, if not the best 3 point shooter in the league
yeah i said it Ray.
i honestly havent seen a shot that pure since chris mullin.
I always thought that Allan Houston had the most textbook looking shot . . .
Which makes sense since his Dad was a basketball coach. You know he had baby Allan out there in the driveway shooting those jumpers over and over to perfection.
The smoothest and most gorgeous stroke I ever done seen!
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 10, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let the Oxpecker Eat Bugs!
The team needs Novak to get minutes. As you astutely point out, D’Antoni’s offense calls for a symbiotic balance of pick-n-roll driving and competent 3pt shooting. For 6 weeks, the Knicks were terrible at both of those. Now that Lin’s handling the pnr side, someone’s gotta handle the other half.
Novak is shooting 50% from 3pt land.
THERE IS NO OTHER KNICK SHOOTING OVER 35.6%.
D’Antoni’s system demands Novak be on the court.
i imagine anthony's % will pick up to at least 35
now that he wont be the point guard.
but you;re right, d’antoni will make room for shot-makers.
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Obviously Jorts and Novak don't have the same game
Jorts is persistent on his man, Novak is not solid on defense (which also happens to coincide with his shotmaking) so the two aren’t interchangeable in any way. Bill has been more than streaky and I think he deserves a seat for a little bit. He’s helpful in super tight games but he’s fading TD-style right now.
When Jorts, Melo and Amar’e are back, Novak will get less time, that’s a guarantee. But, I think the minutes he will have will be Bill’s.
Also, I had Ms. Jenkins for bio. She was cool.
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Did you invent the phrase “cooking soup?” I said it today and no one knew what I was talking about, so I’m trying to remember where I first heard it.
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Novak's got a way better the shot than Extra E had...
even when he was hot last year. He should definitely play.
Steve Novak is the bees knees
and this so-called “JV team” of late might be our best lineup, “star power” be damned.
Lineups
If it were up to me, I’d have the following lineups:
Chandler – Harrellson
Stoudemire – Jeffries
Melo – Novak
Fields – Shump
Lin – ugh… get well soon, BD!
Walker gets pushed to the backcourt, playing shooting guard when Shump has to handle the point.
Douglas, Bibby, Jordan, and Balkman are there for junk time and emergency situations.
you're gonna ugh Lin?
at least wait until he has a bad outing. BD isn’t going to make any kind of statement like what Lin’s been doing for a while. Enjoy what we’ve got, because it’s pretty nice
the ugh is directed at the backup position, I believe
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
You misunderstood
I ughed the choices for who spells Lin, since BD still isn’t playing and neither Douglas nor Bibby really deserves any minutes at all.
Shump still has a lot to work on, and I’d rather see him working on his game as a 2 than a 1, so I’d rather he spell Fields. When he needs to be playing point and Fields is still resting, Walker can get a chance to spin.
Lin’s earned his spot in the starting lineup for the foreseeable future.
That rotation seems sound
Until BD comes back, I’d do this with the guard rotation:
Fields – TD
Lin – Shump
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TD over Walker?
Really? I’m hoping for a TD comeback just as much as anybody, but I just don’t see him in the rotation until he turns shit around.
If Shump has to be backing up Lin, then I’d have Walker in at the 2 before TD.
There was a reason
Toney was regularly in the rotation last year and Bully wasn’t. If Toney can get back to that (assuming his shoulder isn’t killing him ), I think he gives them more.
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It's hard to believe
he was ever even passable as a backup point – but then he also did get a lot of minutes at the 2 last year, playing with Felton and Chauncey.
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Fair enough
If TD can sort himself out, then, yeah, he’s got more potential than Walker.
But until then, between the two of them, I’m gonna go with Bully every time.
You would like to think that Bibby is at least capable of giving Lin a little rest
I mean a little, you know like a couple minutes here and there, no? Possibly? I hope?
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 10, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'd *like* to think that
but Bibby’s play Wed didn’t make me think he could provide Lin much rest.
15 min, 0-6 shooting, didn’t get to the line, just 1 assist. Basically, he did nothing.
That was the first time he’s played since January 28, when he put in a similar performance (9 min, 0-3 shooting, didn’t get to the line, 0 assists).
Bibby’s had 2 good games this season: 1/6 (against Washington) and 1/7 (against Detroit).
Otherwise, he’s just a body.
That’s still better than TD’s been playing. But that’s not saying much.
Hopefully, BD gets into game shape soon, so that Lin can play starter minutes instead of superman minutes. Until then, the Knicks will have to count on him for >40 minutes/game, and lean hard on Shump’s “combo guard” skills for the remaining bit.
Novak should absolutely get some of Walker's minutes.
Novak’s TS% last year and this year: .737, .727
Walker’s: .583, .557
Novak’s TO% last year and this year: 5.4, 5.2
Walker’s: 12.7, 16.7
Basically, this perimeter position needs to be filled by a guy who will efficiently convert the opportunities he gets while not screwing things up too often. Novak fits the bill, while Walker is the opposite. True, Walker will rebound better and play better defense. But he’s also more likely to muck things up, which to me, is the most important thing a complementary player on this team needs to avoid.
If we get into extended situations where say Melo is injured and we need extra scoring punch, it makes sense to give Walker more run and let him try to make something happen offensively. But otherwise, the interior will be crowded enough as it is, so the role playing wings need to stay outside. I’d much rather have Novak taking his in-rhythm 3s rather than Walker forcing up bad shots and committing dumb fouls.
As Russ points out above, a lot will depend on specific matchups and situations. In general though, Novak should really be taking the bulk of Walker’s minutes.
Shit man, this is basketball, not Algebra II
But I agree Novak should get Walker’s minutes.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
If we're doing this now, my line up is thus;
Chandler – Harrellson
Stoudemire – Novak
Melo – Shump
Fields – Douglas
Lin – BD/Shump/Bibby/Even more Lin
Although I might start Shump at the two and make Landry the first man of the bench.
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If Douglas never finds his shot, Walker gets his minutes.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I like him,
but I like Jorts and Novak more.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
You also seem to like TD more than Jeffries as well
I’d keep Shump at the guard positions, preferably the 2 and do this:
- Lin | Miscellaneous parts
- Landry | Shump
- Melo | Novak/Balkman
- STAT | Jorts
- Tyson | Jeffries
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I'm sorry, but Balkman should not get in the rotation ahead of Walker.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I listed Balkman for his defense
which I believe is far superior to Walker’s.
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That could work.
A lineup of Tyson, Jared, Balkman, Shump, and TD/Lin would just wreck everything.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 10, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
And you can list Walker behind Shump at the 2
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I'd actually like to continue giving Shump a few minutes per game at the 1
I know the common sentiment around the Knick ‘verse is that he’s not a point, but I think he actually is a more natural 1 than a 2 – just right now, he’s severely underseasoned. He needs more practice at it, and so I think giving him maybe even just 2-3 minutes per game running the offense will help him develop. He’s shown enough poise and made enough good decisions when not shooting for me to think he’s got a future playing some point in this league.
I definitely give him some burn...
He’s got a gun… And he can give us about 10 points off the bench.
Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!
more novak is good for other reasons too
such as technicals.
if he’s out there, he’s the best free throw shooter on the team. at just under 90% for his career. when the floor is spaced the fuck out with a shooter like novak out there, the likelihood of a defensive 3 second call increases. so theres that.
but also, if he’s getting more consistent minutes he’ll have a better sense of the flow of the game, and when he gets in for a last second shot against the celtics (or anyone else) he might keep some of the heat off of melo/stat etc. and he might be warm enough to hit the shot. twofold goodness.
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He's the only true stretch 4
A lineup with him at the 4 and Amar’e at the 5 (and either Lin or BD at the 1) would be damn near unstoppable.
Of course, that lineup would have matador interior defense, but it could work against teams without imposing front lines.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
damn near unstoppable perhaps
But also damn near unable to gather any defensive rebounds.
But yeah, I mean, properly set up, the guy’s a weapon that must be accounted for. So if they can hide him on the defensive end and rebounding end (and I do trust D’antoni to figure out a way to do that) he can be a big asset.
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Let's hear it for the Knicks bench!
These guys are getting paid minimal salaries and getting no credit from anyone, they’re widely dismissed as the worst bench in the league, and yet they’ve done some pretty awesome things, esp. these past 3 games.
It’s not just Lin and Shump. Jeffries, Novak, and Harrellson have earned some love!
There are still a lot of unanswered questions (most pressing: how is the newly-found offensive rhythm gonna incorporate Melo and Stat? and what are we gonna get outta BD?). But I’m feeling good about this team again.
Go Knicks!
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Speaking of underpaid...
Kobe makes more in 2 games than Lin makes this entire season.
These guys are really stepping up, all of them, and deserve loads of credit and respect.
Chew on this
The last time the Lakers played against a penetrating PG running the PnR with Tyson Chandler, they got swept in the playoffs
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
headline should probly be changed, seth
“will steve novak stay in the rotation forever?”
that way instead of everyone saying yes, we will have to critically think and decide, no.
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Problem with this analysis
Is that the Knicks do not have anyone close to replicating Novak’s 3pt capability and that is crucial when one considers the importance of the stretch in D’Antoni’s offensive schemes. Novak is the only one over 40% on the team (50%) while the closest is Jorts at 35%. That means that Novak will make 30 more shots in 100 attempts than Jorts. That is HUGE. Even if one assumes he can’t keep up his , his career is 45 which is still 20 more shots made per 100 over Jorts. That is still huge. Bill Walker? Where is the idea that he is a good 3pt shooter – his career is 38% and now he’s at 33%. Douglas? 35% for the career. The only one that comes close is Bibby over his career, but he’s no longer that player.
Until the Knicks can show that their offense has some hops, you’ve got to go with the man who can stretch the floor over the man who might be a better defender.
Not a mathematician or anything, but
(50/100) – (35/100) = 15/100.
So, at this rate, Novak would make just 15 more shots in 100 attempts than Jorts, right?
That's significant
About 3 more points a game, give or take
by Kupe on Feb 10, 2012 7:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
38% is actually pretty solid from 3
Not elite, but certainly serviceable. I am hopeful that Landry’s mechanics will improve and he’ll end up around there as well. Jorts still has a lot of work to do on that shot, but I think he’ll get up to around 38% too. Also, I’m sure Bibby’s shot hasn’t gotten any worse – long range shooting tends not to decline over the course of a player’s career. If you’ve got a bunch of guys who can shoot high 30s, you’ll be alright. Plus Novak is super elite.
Novak means Bill Walker never needs to play ever again
This is how our Team Should Look
PG Lin – Shump
SG Landry – Shump
SF Melo – Novak
PF Amar’e – Jorts
C Tyson – Jorts/Amar’e
Novak can also grab some minutes at the 4 or maybe the 2. Landry can get some spin at the 3 given some lineups.
The remaining minutes should be handed out based on need per position to Jeffries and TD (once he gets healthy because I’m working on the theory that he’s sucked so much because of his arm, but he should never play the point and if it turns out he’s really just completely fallen off he should never see the floor again)
This takes into account Baron never getting healthy. That’s a pretty good team. Add in Baron and woof, it shakes things up a bit, but I’m not sure if he should start or backup. That depends on how Lin continues to play and how strong Baron comes back, but it’s a good problem to have.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Question is
Can Novak even partially guard a small forward? I think it’s worth a shot. A three point shot, that is, of course :)
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I think he could. No one is going to confuse Novak with a great defender, but he plays decent enough team D
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Jeffries would most likely be the 9th man
Getting burn in limited situations. I don’t want to see him on the floor a lot, but he’ll be more useful against some teams than others. Averaging about 10 minutes per … some games it’ll be closer to 15, others it’ll be closer to 5
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Why bench Billy permanently (and Jeffries for the most part)?
Sure, you can play with an 8 man rotation. But I think Walker and Jeffries both offer enough that D’Antoni should keep them in mind. Do you not think so? Why not?
I can’t see Novak guarding a 2; he’s way too slow on D.
I don't permanently bench Jeffries
I say he gets off the bench as needed, but he preferably shouldn’t see the floor if possible. He’s an extremely limited player. Albeit one who can be serviceable in certain situations.
Bill Walker is an idiot who generally hurts the team more than he helps it. He has all the skills, but never uses them correctly. In an emergency maybe he touches the floor, or maybe against the heat who for some reason he does well against, but he shouldn’t be playing. Especially given the fact that he doesn’t really bring anything to the table and MDA never uses a 10 person rotation. I think we have at least 9 better players than him. I would argue we have even more than that.
MDA’s ideal is an 8 man rotation. My ideal is a 9. Novak as a 2 would probably guard the three. I agree he’s too slow to guard a 2.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Yeah, I dunno about Jeffries, man
Jeffries just shot 57% against the Lakers, scoring 11pts, grabbing 9 boards (3 offensive), and adding 3 assists and 2 steals with just 1 turnover. That’s a pretty solid, well-rounded performance statistically, and that doesn’t even reflect the many intangibles he brought to the game.
Last year? Sure, Jeffries was something of a one-sided train wreck of a player. But he worked really hard over the offseason and really changed his game around. Dude’s earned playing time.
Walker, on the other hand, is guilty as charged. “He has all the skills, but never uses them correctly.” Couldn’t have said it better myself. His minutes have gotta go down. If BD gets healthy, I think we won’t be seeing much of him, at least unless he wises up. Until then, though, I think he can perform a valuable role as a 4th guard, for when Lin and Fields are resting and Shump has to play the 1. Even with all his flaws, Walker’s still currently playing better than Bibby and TD.
by sisterray24 on Feb 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 10, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lakers fan here
This will be a nice game for the Lakers and the Knicks tonight. Good luck to you guys!
Proud to be a brony.
Let's figure out the future of DWTDUTD
Do What Tony Douglas Use To Do.
I was always a major TD fan, I do not know who that imposter is out there on the floor wearing his uniform though.
Sadly, I think it is in the Knicks best interest to move him to the end of the bench, like in Lin’s old spot and let TD play garbage minutes only.
I know it’s sad, I know it’s cruel, and it pains me to say this, but it is tough love. Maybe Tony can bust out in some garbage time and snap the fuck back to the way he use to be.
Maybe TD tried crack over the off season and is now a junkie, or he is working with the mob to fix games. Those are my two best guess.
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 10, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions
isn't it "Used To Do"
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 10, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
"Use to, Used to," who gives a crap, what do we do with this Tony Douglas imposter?
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 10, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions
I figure he's some combination of slumping or hurt or rattled. TD could just be going through what Melo is.
Hopefully they both bounce back, but with the emergence and hopefully permanence of Lin TD is not that important
by SweatbandProliferation on Feb 10, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Amare Melo and BD off the bench
The current starters + Novak have shown their ability to play and beat all level of opponent.
When they return, Amare Melo and BD should come off the bench and be requred to earn their minutes and show that they can and deserve to play with Jeremy Lin.
novak is a god at shooting
last night was a rare off night for him. but he’s incredible. i want this prodigy around forever.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
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